I have a TNT 2 card. Even with the 3d patch I don't get great frame rates
while playing GPL. I want to upgrade the card because I play GPL a lot. I
know the Voodoo 3 3000 is great for GPL but who knows for WSC and N4. The
Voodoo 5 5000 is come down in price but will it be good for WSC and N4. I
don't want to buy a card now and then buy another one when WSC and N4 out.
What should I get for a video card. Really don't want to spend alot. Under
$250 would be great.
Chris G.
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> I have a TNT 2 card. Even with the 3d patch I don't get great frame rates > while playing GPL. I want to upgrade the card because I play GPL a lot. I > know the Voodoo 3 3000 is great for GPL but who knows for WSC and N4. The > Voodoo 5 5000 is come down in price but will it be good for WSC and N4. I > don't want to buy a card now and then buy another one when WSC and N4 out. > What should I get for a video card. Really don't want to spend alot. Under > $250 would be great.>> I have a TNT 2 card. Even with the 3d patch I don't get great frame rates
>> while playing GPL. I want to upgrade the card because I play GPL a lot. I...
>best with a Geforce card. For under $250, you can probably get a Guillemot
>Geforce2 GTS card with 32MB of memory. The MX card is even less, only a...
>then. Hope you can get some first hand experience posted herein.
Well, my new Creative GeForce2 GTS 32MB AGP seems to work very fine in
GPL, all on (not arms!) also in mirrors - 1280x1024, nearly always
36 FPS, in full field Monaco start perhaps about 30. My prosessor
is also quite fast 1,1 GHz, though.
Also N4 Demo, SCGT, Viper Racing and MBTR Demo are fluent!
Arto
> Well, my new Creative GeForce2 GTS 32MB AGP seems to work very fine in
Same card here, but coupled to a PIII 500 and 192meg RAM. GPL runs at a
solid 36fps with full details in 1024x768 (solo) or 800x600 (race with all
AI cars) - can't fault it.
Bobby
Well I guess none of you even take FSAA into account.
A V5 is still a great investment if you want true to life visual quality
with FSAA.
GPL looks amazing on my V5 @ 1024x768 and 2xFSAA, and I get 36 fps alone
and lowest 16 fps at monaco with a full field at the start of the race.
I am using Direct3D rendering mode though since I get better fps with it.
Specs:
Celeron2 566 @850
256 PC133 RAM
V5 5500 AGP @ 172Mhz
"Bobby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Well, my new Creative GeForce2 GTS 32MB AGP seems to work very fine in > > Same card here, but coupled to a PIII 500 and 192meg RAM. GPL runs at a > solid 36fps with full details in 1024x768 (solo) or 800x600 (race with all > AI cars) - can't fault it. > > Bobby > > >I agree with one of the other posters that your best bet would be a Nvidia
card. Maybe an MX would be nice. 3dfx cards will probably not be supported
with driver updates in future versions of Windows ( e.g. My Voodoo2 doesn't
have support under Windows 2000). The other issue is current and future
racing sims. The Voodoo 5 doesn't support AGP texturing (Nascar Heat uses
this) or T & L (Nascar 4 get a 20fps boost from this). If you have
disposable income and don't mind upgrading cards often, then go for a Voodoo
5 for the very nice FSAA implementation. Although keep in mind that FSAA
causes a big performance drop at resolutions greater than 800x600.
I thought one piece of advice might be of use to you. I upgraded my video
card earlier this year from a Voodoo2 12MB to a GeForce 2 GTS 32MB and it
barely made a difference (picture quality aside). After blowing a lot of
cash on the card, I realized I would have upgrade my CPU. Since I had a Slot
1 (BX) motherboard, I went with a Celeron 566 which I run at 875 (103x8.5)
and it made all the difference. I guess what I'm trying to say is make sure
your CPU is quick enough to warrant a new video card.
Thanks,
Michael M
"C Gennarelli" <ccgenn@adelphia. net> wrote in message
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> I have a TNT 2 card. Even with the 3d patch I don't get great frame rates > while playing GPL. I want to upgrade the card because I play GPL a lot. I > know the Voodoo 3 3000 is great for GPL but who knows for WSC and N4. The > Voodoo 5 5000 is come down in price but will it be good for WSC and N4. I > don't want to buy a card now and then buy another one when WSC and N4 out. > What should I get for a video card. Really don't want to spend alot. Under > $250 would be great. > > Chris G. > >On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 18:48:11 GMT, "Tom Hansen" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
I currently have a Voodoo 3 2000 on a celery 466. I would like to
rebuild my entire system. EVERYTHING must be changed except my CD
writer, TV Card, mouse, keyboard.
Currently I am looking at:
Athlon TB 950
Gigabyte GA-7ZX-1 (w/ultra 66, 4xAGP)
256 MB
Case
Creative Labs PC-DVD Encore 12X (40X CD-ROM) with DXR3 MPEG card
20.4GB Fujitsu MPE3204AH
Sound Blaster Live! X-Gamer 5.1
Speakers with sub
17" (w/Trinitron)
I still play a lot of GPL. So I don't want to lose the performance of
the Voodoo. However I want to get something that is cutting edge.
Who is going to be the next leader in the video card market? Who will
dominate? Radeon? Anhiliator? Nvidia?
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>> I have a TNT 2 card. Even with the 3d patch I don't get great frame rates >> while playing GPL. I want to upgrade the card because I play GPL a lot. I >> know the Voodoo 3 3000 is great for GPL but who knows for WSC and N4. The >> Voodoo 5 5000 is come down in price but will it be good for WSC and N4. I >> don't want to buy a card now and then buy another one when WSC and N4 out. >> What should I get for a video card. Really don't want to spend alot. Under >> $250 would be great. > >I hate to be blunt, but I would not spend any $$ on a 3dfx card at this >point. The company is basically a goner and we will probably not see any >driver upgrades or future support of any kind for Voodoo cards. N4 will be >best with a Geforce card. For under $250, you can probably get a Guillemot >Geforce2 GTS card with 32MB of memory. The MX card is even less, only a >little over $100. Mwave.com sells the Leadtek GTS card for $209 and an >extra $90 will get you 64MB of memory. The Guillemot MX card with 32MB is >$109. In benchmarks, the GTS is quite a bit quicker, but I have no personal >experience with either to help you decide which is better for these racing >simulations. I also don't know how this choice works in GPL, but it is >supposed to be the technology of choice in N4 and Heat also I think. I will >probably go for the Geforce ULTRA since it improves the memory bandwidth a >bunch, but it is up around $429 with 64mb of memory. I am just waiting for >the N4 release to get a little closer, figuring the price might drop before >then. Hope you can get some first hand experience posted herein.Actually, Annihilator IS an Nvidia card so your choices are actually 2! ATI
makes some nice All-In-Wonder Radeon cards but their performance isn't up to
par with the Nvidia chipsets. With that rig you're looking at, GPL will run
great no matter what card you put in it. I purchased a GeForce 2 GTS card
earlier in the year but had I known the MX cards would be available, I would
have waited.
Like a few famous programmers predicted earlier in the year, 'Nvidia won the
battle'. Hell, even I bought one after only having 3DFX cards! If you're
using a Voodoo 3, you'll be very impressed by the picture quality of a
GeForce card.
Later,
Michael M
"ra300z" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 18:48:11 GMT, "Tom Hansen" <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>
>
> Who is going to be the next leader in the video card market? Who will
> dominate? Radeon? Anhiliator? Nvidia?
The Voodoo 5500 is still a card to consider. The current prices are getting
very competitive. I doubt drivers will be a problem for a couple years.
There are just too many of these cards out there to be ignored. Also, nVidia
has kept up the 3dfx site so they may support it in the future. I have a
GeForce2 MX Twin View (dual head)w/TV out and a V 5500. I will hopefully put
a (sim racing) comparison up on T&R in a couple days.
The GeForce MX isn't a bad card, but don't expect it to perform like the
V5500 in fps or picture quality. The MX's T&L in Nascar4 doesn't do anything
to increase frame rates, and in fact locks up my computer (922Mhz) at 1280
resolution. The Twin View support (for 2 monitors/flat panel or tv is a nice
feature that does clone or extended desktops).
I think the latest 5500 drivers have some kind of T&L support built in.
Software mode, maybe. Also, for under $180 cards, take a look at the Radeon
32 DDR. It's performance is about equal to the 5500 in racing sims and the
colors are great. The Radeon and MX don't, of course, have the nice FSAA
that the 5500 has. If you've got the money and want pure performance, a
GeForce2 Ultra is the way to go, but it'll cost you between $380 and $400.
--
Slot
www.slottweak.com
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"ra300z" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 18:48:11 GMT, "Tom Hansen" <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>
> >> I have a TNT 2 card. Even with the 3d patch I don't get great frame
rates
> >> while playing GPL. I want to upgrade the card because I play GPL a lot.
I
> >> know the Voodoo 3 3000 is great for GPL but who knows for WSC and N4.
The
> >> Voodoo 5 5000 is come down in price but will it be good for WSC and N4.
I
> >> don't want to buy a card now and then buy another one when WSC and N4
out.
> >> What should I get for a video card. Really don't want to spend alot.
Under
> >> $250 would be great.
> >
> >I hate to be blunt, but I would not spend any $$ on a 3dfx card at this
> >point. The company is basically a goner and we will probably not see any
> >driver upgrades or future support of any kind for Voodoo cards. N4 will
be
> >best with a Geforce card. For under $250, you can probably get a
Guillemot
> >Geforce2 GTS card with 32MB of memory. The MX card is even less, only a
> >little over $100. Mwave.com sells the Leadtek GTS card for $209 and an
> >extra $90 will get you 64MB of memory. The Guillemot MX card with 32MB
is
> >$109. In benchmarks, the GTS is quite a bit quicker, but I have no
personal
> >experience with either to help you decide which is better for these
racing
> >simulations. I also don't know how this choice works in GPL, but it is
> >supposed to be the technology of choice in N4 and Heat also I think. I
will
> >probably go for the Geforce ULTRA since it improves the memory bandwidth
a
> >bunch, but it is up around $429 with 64mb of memory. I am just waiting
for
> >the N4 release to get a little closer, figuring the price might drop
before
> >then. Hope you can get some first hand experience posted herein.
>
> I currently have a Voodoo 3 2000 on a celery 466. I would like to
> rebuild my entire system. EVERYTHING must be changed except my CD
> writer, TV Card, mouse, keyboard.
>
> Currently I am looking at:
> Athlon TB 950
> Gigabyte GA-7ZX-1 (w/ultra 66, 4xAGP)
> 256 MB
> Case
> Creative Labs PC-DVD Encore 12X (40X CD-ROM) with DXR3 MPEG card
> 20.4GB Fujitsu MPE3204AH
> Sound Blaster Live! X-Gamer 5.1
> Speakers with sub
> 17" (w/Trinitron)
>
> I still play a lot of GPL. So I don't want to lose the performance of
> the Voodoo. However I want to get something that is cutting edge.
>
> Who is going to be the next leader in the video card market? Who will
> dominate? Radeon? Anhiliator? Nvidia?
"GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> The Voodoo 5500 is still a card to consider.
A sobering consideration is that 3dfx is no more and I
seriously doubt Nvida will do anything with this acquistion
other then desolve it . I get exceptional performance with
my GeForce2 MX card but of course as the saying goes,
your mileage may vary.
"Rogers" <[email hidden]> writes:
3dfx no more or not, the V5 is still a good card and is sold
cheap. The current drivers are also very good, so for a intermediate
card the next 6 months (aren't all:), the V5 IS still a card to
consider :)
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Olav K. Malmin
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