Re: what wheel to buy

Stephen wrote on 07 Dec 2000: >I posted the same question months ago, for polite, thoughtful >advice........ <snip> Yes, sorry for being a bit curt - it's just that personal preference is so important in the wheel department that I 'm not sure how much usefulness long advice can have. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

Hi. If I was going to buy a wheel now, what should I choose? microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback Wheel 1.0 Trust Force Feedback Race Master II ThrustMaster 360 Modena Racing Wheel PRO Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP or another suggestion? Simon -- ==================================== mailto:[email hidden] ==================================== Jeg har ikke s�nn morsom melding her

Simon H wrote on 07 Dec 2000: >Hi. If I was going to buy a wheel now, what should I choose?<snip> Here we go *again*... Some (me included) love the MSFF. Many like the LWFF. The ACT RS is good. The Thomson is excellent, but expensive (and no FF). Test them out. Buy your favourite. OK? -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

I posted the same question months ago, for polite, thoughtful advice........ GTX_SlotCar helped me decide, goto www.slottweak.com I ended up with the Ferrari wheel, and am very happy. --Stephen "David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Simon H wrote on 07 Dec 2000: > > >Hi. If I was going to buy a wheel now, what should I choose? > <snip> > > Here we go *again*... > > Some (me included) love the MSFF. Many like the LWFF. The ACT RS is good. > The Thomson is excellent, but expensive (and no FF). Test them out. Buy > your favourite. OK? > > -- > David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) > The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" > - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

We are recomending a Hyperstimulator !! (Anbefaler) http://home.c2i.net/zlark/racing/hypersim.htm (ogs� p� norsk) Send meg en mail om du �nsker prisliste. > ==================================== > maito:[email hidden] > ==================================== > Jeg har heller ikke s�nn morsom melding her

How'd you narrow it down to those? What about Active Labs? I've read that the logitech pedals aren't as good as the wheel, but then I read that the 2nd version (USB only?) improved the pedals and made the rest of the package a little cheaper. Art "Simon H" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi. If I was going to buy a wheel now, what should I choose? > > microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback Wheel 1.0 > > Trust Force Feedback Race Master II > > ThrustMaster 360 Modena Racing Wheel PRO > > Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP > > or another suggestion? > > > Simon > -- > ==================================== > mailto:[email hidden] > ==================================== > Jeg har ikke s�nn morsom melding her

> ..Test them out. Buy > your favourite. OK? >How do you get your average box store/e-store to lend you the various brands to try before you buy

On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:00:22 -0500, "Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >How do you get your average box store/e-store to lend you the various brands >to try before you buy > > Try this site if you want reviews of various wheels, sticks etc. http://www.joy-stick.net/index.html

Art McEwen wrote on 07 Dec 2000: >How do you get your average box store/e-store to lend you the various >brands to try before you buy Well, obviously it's not always possible to have a full test. But I was in my local Staples[1] today - they had a Logitech Wingman (non-FF) out on display to be tried for size, and when I checked out my new MSFF USB (finally!) I was told that I could bring it back if it wasn't satisfactory (thankfully not necessary - it's lovely) - even if it wasn't faulty. A bit like the EB returns policy, but Staples don't do it on software. Failing that, I've found that smaller independent shops will quite often let you have a quick blast - trouble is, they usually don't have a great range of wheels. [1] Judging by previous posts, I'd guess this is something like Office Depot - big warehouse-type place, sells all sorts of vaguely office-related stuff (and games!). My local branch (Kidderminster) only opened recently, but I've found the customer service to be very good - *much* better than CUrrys/Dixons/Comet. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

EldredP wrote on 08 Dec 2000: >I think the main problem is that most stores don't really have a >facility to test different wheels in action... Anytime *I've* seen a FF >wheel, it's usually a beat-up model seemingly just tossed on a shelf. fair point - see my reply to Art above. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

I've seen Logitech's and MS's on display but never hooked up to a FF enabled racing game that I was familiar with (usually never hooked up to a PC at all). So I could only compare how they looked, and even then the pedals were elsewhere. I saw a Thrustmaster FF the other day in a box at staples, and I've never seen a Actlabs in person. So purchasing decisions are really driven more by reviews & price: I've yet to find a review of the Thrustmaster/Guillmot FF. $159cdn locally From what I've read the weak point of the Logitec is the pedals, and they've been improved (I think?). $129cdn locally The shifter option looks really cool for the Actlabs RS, but it's already the most expensive without it (over the net anyway), and on-wheel padals would likely make for faster lap times then a traditional shifter anyway (easier to hook and un-hook too). The pictures of the pedals make them look pretty small. $139US + shipping (= $200+ cdn) The MS ff looks cheap, and Bill already has enough billions $100 cdn locally.

"Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90r3h3$u7k$[email hidden]... > I've yet to find a review of the Thrustmaster/Guillmot FF. $159cdnlocally >www.slottweak.com

The MSFFW is a good, solid wheel that will last for years. It's optical encoders don't skip a beat. Ever... However, Microsoft is being very hard-headed about supporting their hardware under Win2K. Forget the Logitech Force GP. I just returned one today under my Best Buy Extended Warranty. I originally bought it because the (excellent) Wingman software is fully Win2K compliant. Then, the thing started to self-destruct inside, I think. The sqeaking noises got so bad it scared the cat out of the room. My original MSFFW (gameport version) is some 2 years old and is still operating perfectly. I got a new one for the USB connection. The MSFFW pedals are really comfortable, and they don't slide around like many pedals. The _could_ take a file to the back of them at the factory, though. They can cut you if you drive barefoot, and reach around the back of them to pull them closer. -Larry "Simon H" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi. If I was going to buy a wheel now, what should I choose? > > microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback Wheel 1.0 > > Trust Force Feedback Race Master II > > ThrustMaster 360 Modena Racing Wheel PRO > > Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP > > or another suggestion? > > > Simon > -- > ==================================== > mailto:[email hidden] > ==================================== > Jeg har ikke s�nn morsom melding her

FWIW, Best Buy has a 30 day policy. They also have a reasonably priced ($12, I think) 2 year replacement policy you can get. This policy is what got me out of my Logitech Force GP, and I'm glad I got it. It's nice walking in with a broken one, and walking out with a new one in 5 minutes instead of messing with the manufacturer. I'm not much on extended warranties, but for the price the Best Buy replacement warranty makes sense for controllers... -Larry "David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Art McEwen wrote on 07 Dec 2000: > > >How do you get your average box store/e-store to lend you the various > >brands to try before you buy > > Well, obviously it's not always possible to have a full test. But I was in > my local Staples[1] today - they had a Logitech Wingman (non-FF) out on > display to be tried for size, and when I checked out my new MSFF USB > (finally!) I was told that I could bring it back if it wasn't satisfactory > (thankfully not necessary - it's lovely) - even if it wasn't faulty. A bit > like the EB returns policy, but Staples don't do it on software. > > Failing that, I've found that smaller independent shops will quite often > let you have a quick blast - trouble is, they usually don't have a great > range of wheels. > > [1] Judging by previous posts, I'd guess this is something like Office > Depot - big warehouse-type place, sells all sorts of vaguely

office-related

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> stuff (and games!). My local branch (Kidderminster) only opened recently, > but I've found the customer service to be very good - *much* better than > CUrrys/Dixons/Comet. > > -- > David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) > The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,

really" - > Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

You really should try before you diss... The MSFFW is hardly cheap. I'm not the only one with one that's some 2 years, been beat to death, and still works the same way it did when new. -Larry "Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90r3h3$u7k$[email hidden]... > I've seen Logitech's and MS's on display but never hooked up to a FFenabled

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> racing game that I was familiar with (usually never hooked up to a PC at > all). So I could only compare how they looked, and even then the pedals > were elsewhere. > > I saw a Thrustmaster FF the other day in a box at staples, and I've never > seen a Actlabs in person. > > So purchasing decisions are really driven more by reviews & price: > > > I've yet to find a review of the Thrustmaster/Guillmot FF. $159cdn

locally > > From what I've read the weak point of the Logitec is the pedals, andthey've > been improved (I think?). $129cdn locally > > The shifter option looks really cool for the Actlabs RS, but it's already > the most expensive without it (over the net anyway), and on-wheel padals > would likely make for faster lap times then a traditional shifter anyway > (easier to hook and un-hook too). The pictures of the pedals make themlook > pretty small. $139US + shipping (= $200+ cdn) > > The MS ff looks cheap, and Bill already has enough billions $100 cdn > locally. > >

At first I thought the LTFGP was decent, but as I started to live with it, and it started to make all kinds of bad noises, I got rid of it. The gearing in the new LTFGP is VERY course too... The pedals are better. Unfortunately, the downsized the base to the point where only 1/2 your foot is on it. Better than the original, but the took 2 steps forward and one step back. -Larry "Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90otnd$t2p$[email hidden]... > How'd you narrow it down to those? What about Active Labs? > > I've read that the logitech pedals aren't as good as the wheel, but then I > read that the 2nd version (USB only?) improved the pedals and made therest

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> of the package a little cheaper. > > Art > > > > "Simon H" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Hi. If I was going to buy a wheel now, what should I choose? > > > > microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback Wheel 1.0 > > > > Trust Force Feedback Race Master II > > > > ThrustMaster 360 Modena Racing Wheel PRO > > > > Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP > > > > or another suggestion? > > > > > > Simon > > -- > > ==================================== > > mailto:[email hidden] > > ==================================== > > Jeg har ikke s�nn morsom melding her > >

Larry wrote on 10 Dec 2000: >You really should try before you diss... > >The MSFFW is hardly cheap. I'm not the only one with one that's some 2 >years, been beat to death, and still works the same way it did when new. I think what he meant was that it "looks cheap". I don't agree, FWIW, but in any case the point is how it feels, and how it lasts, and on both those scores I've been very happy with mine - which is why I've just got another one! -- David. (final [?] GPLRank handicap: -5.92) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

Simon, give the Logitech Wingman (Red - w/FF) a try. I upgraded from the yellow to red and compared it to several others. Haven't looked back since. Don't know if you've ever felt a real Momo steering wheel -- that's what it feels like. Good luck.

> www.slottweak.com >There's something on the page that looks like it would be for a link to a review, but only the tweak section is an active link. > > > > >

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SYCY5.17741$[email hidden]... > You really should try before you diss... > > The MSFFW is hardly cheap. I'm not the only one with one that's some 2 > years, been beat to death, and still works the same way it did when new. >That's my point, I can't "try" them in the box stores, I can only go by how they look and what I can read. You'll have to admit the MS looks like it should be attached to a playstation. People running the same sim as me (GPL) claim it takes more CPU, but you're right it will appear to out-last a LT because of it's construction. I'm leaning towards the Thrustmaster because of the bigger pedals (and my old TM has lasted well) if I can find any supporting reviews.

or you could get a Microsoft Force Feedback and do a Frex upgrade on it. Then you get a Momo wheel. Then again it is rather expensive. SLG [email hidden] (Michaeldonaldson) wrote: >Simon, give the Logitech Wingman (Red - w/FF) a try. I upgraded from the >yellow to red and compared it to several others. Haven't looked back since. >Don't know if you've ever felt a real Momo steering wheel -- that's what it >feels like. Good luck. (All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)