Stick a fork in it: r.a.s. is done

Is it all over for r.a.s.? I don't know abt. you, but I've about had it with all the bilious incivility, advice about how to get into heaven or Paris Hilton's tighty whiteys, what's wrong w. America (or Namibia or Wahabiism or corn-dogs), offers of Viagra-by-mail or videos of American soldiers getting killed, speculations on what Jesus might drive, et cetera. This used to be a fun place to hang out with sim-racers with mutual interests. It's become a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Methinks it's time to move on.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:22:33 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Is it all over for r.a.s.? I don't know abt. you, but I've about had it >with all the bilious incivility, advice about how to get into heaven or >Paris Hilton's tighty whiteys, what's wrong w. America (or Namibia or >Wahabiism or corn-dogs), offers of Viagra-by-mail or videos of American >soldiers getting killed, speculations on what Jesus might drive, et cetera. >This used to be a fun place to hang out with sim-racers with mutual >interests. It's become a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Methinks it's >time to move on.

I hear ya. I delete more posts than I read now.

Why are you reading every post? Get a newsreader rms

"Steve Smith" wrote: > Is it all over for r.a.s.? I don't know abt. you, but I've about had it > with all the bilious incivility, advice about how to get into heaven or > Paris Hilton's tighty whiteys, what's wrong w. America (or Namibia or > Wahabiism or corn-dogs), offers of Viagra-by-mail or videos of American > soldiers getting killed, speculations on what Jesus might drive, etcetera. > This used to be a fun place to hang out with sim-racers with mutual > interests. It's become a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Methinks > it's time to move on. These things do seem to go in phases though. Someone joins, stirs up a few old debates and goes again. The problem is that the lure of Usenet seems to prevent otherwise sane & logical minds from not having to have the last word and a pub debate can last for years... I think RAS will be the last place to know what is in store for in the sim world, few developers or close contacts to developers are going to want to share their thoughts here based on previous experiences. Shame. Tony

"Tony Rickard" wrote... > I think RAS will be the last place to know what is in store > for in the sim world, few developers or close contacts to > developers are going to want to share their thoughts here > based on previous experiences. Shame. Thin skinned sissies. Jan.<G> =---

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> Is it all over for r.a.s.? I don't know abt. you, but I've about had it > with all the bilious incivility, advice about how to get into heaven or > Paris Hilton's tighty whiteys, what's wrong w. America (or Namibia or > Wahabiism or corn-dogs), offers of Viagra-by-mail or videos of American > soldiers getting killed, speculations on what Jesus might drive, et > cetera. > This used to be a fun place to hang out with sim-racers with mutual > interests. It's become a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Methinks > it's > time to move on.

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"Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pCtae.18121$[email hidden]... > > I think RAS will be the last place to know what is in store for in the sim > world, few developers or close contacts to developers are going to want to > share their thoughts here based on previous experiences. Shame. > There's a flip side to that coin though - what developers do we really care to hear from? There is Papyrus/FIRST who need no advice and then a bunch of arseholes out to make money out of the genre. I don't want wankers in here looking for pats on the back - I want a company to give Papy/FIRST a true run for their money. I've been waiting for this since I've been online for the last 9 years and it's yet to happen. To all ??simulator?? companies other than Papy I say this - YOU'RE FUCKING USELESS! To this day there is one company in the racing simulator genre that can do multiplayer code - FFS! Simbin so far can't even offer dedicated server support or even a proper results file. And the replay functionality is pathetic. Can't wait for the big May patch - LOL. What number we up to? 1.1 --> 1.2 --> 1.21 --> .23 --> 1.3 .......................................... Thanks for the alpha shit Simbin. No wonder we talk so much shit - what else is there to do 'til FIRST is up and running?

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> Is it all over for r.a.s.? I don't know abt. you, but I've about had it > with all the bilious incivility, advice about how to get into heaven or > Paris Hilton's tighty whiteys, what's wrong w. America (or Namibia or > Wahabiism or corn-dogs), offers of Viagra-by-mail or videos of American > soldiers getting killed, speculations on what Jesus might drive, et cetera. > This used to be a fun place to hang out with sim-racers with mutual > interests. It's become a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Methinks it's > time to move on. > >

Gotta agree Steve. I rarely see anything noteworthy these days. If I want specific info I post it on the RSC forums. Glenn

Byron Forbes wrote: > what else is there to do 'til FIRST is > up and running? ICR2/GPL/N2003/BGN/CTS/PTA/GTP

Maybe its not this or any group in particular thats failing in the Sim Racing genre. Could it be that this Sim Racing by its very nature was bound to fail? Real Racing as you know depends upon accountability. Without it any idiot can wreck anyone at any time. Thats the current state of Sim Racing as I see it. The only decent racing is with small cliques that know each other and drive respectably towards one another. Enter the nameless faceless internet sim driver and we have a mess that is currently sim racing. I dont know that it can be fixed either. Thus the migration away from RAS imo. Mitch "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:t_rae.6107$[email hidden]...

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> Is it all over for r.a.s.? I don't know abt. you, but I've about had it > with all the bilious incivility, advice about how to get into heaven or > Paris Hilton's tighty whiteys, what's wrong w. America (or Namibia or > Wahabiism or corn-dogs), offers of Viagra-by-mail or videos of American > soldiers getting killed, speculations on what Jesus might drive, et > cetera. > This used to be a fun place to hang out with sim-racers with mutual > interests. It's become a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Methinks > it's > time to move on. > >

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> Maybe its not this or any group in particular thats failing in the Sim > Racing genre. Could it be that this Sim Racing by its very nature was bound > to fail? Real Racing as you know depends upon accountability. Without it > any idiot can wreck anyone at any time. Thats the current state of Sim > Racing as I see it. The only decent racing is with small cliques that know > each other and drive respectably towards one another. Enter the nameless > faceless internet sim driver and we have a mess that is currently sim > racing. I dont know that it can be fixed either. Thus the migration away > from RAS imo. > > Mitch

no its idiots like you and papadoc spewing your propaganda BS allover the boards. get a clue.

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> Is it all over for r.a.s.? I don't know abt. you, but I've about had it > with all the bilious incivility, advice about how to get into heaven or > Paris Hilton's tighty whiteys, what's wrong w. America (or Namibia or > Wahabiism or corn-dogs), offers of Viagra-by-mail or videos of American > soldiers getting killed, speculations on what Jesus might drive, et cetera. > This used to be a fun place to hang out with sim-racers with mutual > interests. It's become a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Methinks it's > time to move on. > >

yep, used to be the best. Then Mitch arrived!

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> To all ??simulator?? companies other than Papy I say this - YOU'RE > FUCKING USELESS! To this day there is one company in the racing simulator > genre that can do multiplayer code - FFS! > > Simbin so far can't even offer dedicated server support or even a proper > results file. And the replay functionality is pathetic. Can't wait for the > big May patch - LOL. What number we up to? 1.1 --> 1.2 --> 1.21 --> > .23 --> 1.3 .......................................... Thanks for the alpha > shit Simbin. > > No wonder we talk so much shit - what else is there to do 'til FIRST is > up and running?

I hate to agree with such a post but it is so true! It often amazes me what these companies do?!? If we were writing a Sim game we all know what we want. Papy knew what we wanted. The net code in the early games was better than GTR is now! I have only played GTR on a lan, the 'jolt' as someone joins is well inexcusable. LFS never had that problem. No other game I know of has that problem. Counter Strike anyone? Maybe we can do a Half-Life mod that lets you drive the cars. So we are left with EA. Well that game looks like it was dead before it got here. Shame, so much promised so little delivered. rFactor is looking amazing. Guys if you are listening. Great work. How about giving me a single seater to drive around with?? I really can't wait for this game.. First.. Well they know how to start a hate war against them. Will the game be any good, only time will tell. Will anyone buy it? Probably. (You know you will when nothing else has really filled the gap and Nascar 2003 is looking at tad old) RSC I think is taking over from R.A.S although I don't spend much time there. I guess it's the way the Internet is changing though, not racing in particular. I used RAS with a modem. Now we all have BB a silly text forum is a tad old school. If you want to have some fun racing get in a league. I am Nascar'ing at the moment over at www.v8thunder.com. Great bunch of guys. Only way to race online is a closed community. Happens in 'real' racing too. Just go Karting at a random track one weekend. People run you off the road. Time to move on. But the small race games are the way forward I think. The big players are all on consoles. So unless you want GT4 with sub 5 min laps round the ring, let's support them.. Scott

I tend to agree, Steve. I've been a "member" of RAS since (at least) April 1998...possibly earlier...and there was negligible extraneous posting. Any crap that was posted invariably had something to do with simulations (ICR2, NASCAR2, GPL, GP2, GP3 et al) or real-life motor sport and not much else....certainly nothing about religious terrorism, Viagra or Britney Spears (thank Christ!). Nowadays I might check into RAS every couple of days, whereas back when it was all Geoff Crammond and Papyrus I'd be here every day. Not any more; it's become a bit like a run-down pub which once-upon-a-time was your favourite hangout but now you think twice about going there. Bruce. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:t_rae.6107$[email hidden]... > Is it all over for r.a.s.? I don't know abt. you, but I've about had it

Scott Rixon wrote: ... > RSC I think is taking over from R.A.S although I don't spend much time > there. I guess it's the way the Internet is changing though, not racing in > particular. I used RAS with a modem. Now we all have BB a silly text forum > is a tad old school. No slam against RSC, but I'd take the newsgroup format over a web based forum any day, broadband or not. With ones favorite news reader, you can sort, find, apply filters or rules, download quicker and save a bunch of time in general. Some better web forums have some flexibility, but none that I've seen come close to even the most basic news reader software. Sure you can put pictures on the web forums, but that is a double edge sword especially with all the useless signature pictures people use. Ugh! I think the demise (or supposed demise) of this group is not due to the format but the fact that it is not moderated and/or (as other's have said), that idiots are encouraged by getting replys to their posts. Okay, now I'll go back to having fun with LFS S2 alpha ... Russell

This newsgroup will always be the home of sim racing because it will never disappear. RSC and the like are great for a lot of reasons but even they were off the wire not long back. As far as the off topic stuff goes - well, that's usenet - the price of freedom. A small price to pay for a place where people can come and tell it like it really is :) If you can work out the shit from the gold then you see that this place truely is a treasure that will never suffer from old women moderators or moderators with agendas/biases. Participation in the off topic is optional as well. "RWKeating" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Scott Rixon wrote: > ... >> RSC I think is taking over from R.A.S although I don't spend much time >> there. I guess it's the way the Internet is changing though, not racing >> in >> particular. I used RAS with a modem. Now we all have BB a silly text >> forum >> is a tad old school. > > No slam against RSC, but I'd take the newsgroup format over a web based > forum any day, broadband or not. With ones favorite news reader, you can > sort, find, apply filters or rules, download quicker and save a bunch of > time in general. Some better web forums have some flexibility, but none > that I've seen come close to even the most basic news reader software. > Sure you can put pictures on the web forums, but that is a double edge > sword especially with all the useless signature pictures people use. Ugh! > > I think the demise (or supposed demise) of this group is not due to the > format but the fact that it is not moderated and/or (as other's have > said), that idiots are encouraged by getting replys to their posts. > > Okay, now I'll go back to having fun with LFS S2 alpha ... > > Russell

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lEae.5630$[email hidden]...

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> Maybe its not this or any group in particular thats failing in the Sim > Racing genre. Could it be that this Sim Racing by its very nature was > bound to fail? Real Racing as you know depends upon accountability. > Without it any idiot can wreck anyone at any time. Thats the current > state of Sim Racing as I see it. The only decent racing is with small > cliques that know each other and drive respectably towards one another. > Enter the nameless faceless internet sim driver and we have a mess that is > currently sim racing. I dont know that it can be fixed either. Thus the > migration away from RAS imo. >

I think it will be this very issue that FIRST will tackle. The open servers via Sierra needed policing as does Simbin's though who cares, so far, about the latter. Come to think of it, this is one of my personal views towards what a modern **sim** is - first rate, policed multiplay. So I therefore view Sierra and Simbin servers as kids games rather than worthy of **sim** status. Good for a laugh though. :)

artie beamer wrote: > no its idiots like you and papadoc spewing your propaganda BS allover > the boards. get a clue. Or people who post inflammatory comments which will start arguments? Get a clue....

Steve, I think part of it is due to the utter bordom that's taking place in SIM releases right now. The worst thing that EVER happened to us was the damned Console. -Larry "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:t_rae.6107$[email hidden]...

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> Is it all over for r.a.s.? I don't know abt. you, but I've about had it > with all the bilious incivility, advice about how to get into heaven or > Paris Hilton's tighty whiteys, what's wrong w. America (or Namibia or > Wahabiism or corn-dogs), offers of Viagra-by-mail or videos of American > soldiers getting killed, speculations on what Jesus might drive, et > cetera. > This used to be a fun place to hang out with sim-racers with mutual > interests. It's become a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Methinks > it's > time to move on. > >

This is why I liked TEN so much. It's scoring system was FAR superior to Sierra's. The info in Sierra is almost useless. They should be scoring top 10's, top 5's, Win's, Poles and other stuff as well as LPI and rank. Sierra gives no sense of accomplishment. I firmly believe that's why so few people care about what happens there in online races. -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lEae.5630$[email hidden]...

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> Maybe its not this or any group in particular thats failing in the Sim > Racing genre. Could it be that this Sim Racing by its very nature was > bound to fail? Real Racing as you know depends upon accountability. > Without it any idiot can wreck anyone at any time. Thats the current > state of Sim Racing as I see it. The only decent racing is with small > cliques that know each other and drive respectably towards one another. > Enter the nameless faceless internet sim driver and we have a mess that is > currently sim racing. I dont know that it can be fixed either. Thus the > migration away from RAS imo. > > Mitch > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:t_rae.6107$[email hidden]... >> Is it all over for r.a.s.? I don't know abt. you, but I've about had it >> with all the bilious incivility, advice about how to get into heaven or >> Paris Hilton's tighty whiteys, what's wrong w. America (or Namibia or >> Wahabiism or corn-dogs), offers of Viagra-by-mail or videos of American >> soldiers getting killed, speculations on what Jesus might drive, et >> cetera. >> This used to be a fun place to hang out with sim-racers with mutual >> interests. It's become a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Methinks >> it's >> time to move on. >> >> > >

In article <I7rbe.19209$Z73.12087@lakeread04>, [email hidden] (Larry) wrote: > Steve, I think part of it is due to the utter bordom that's > taking place in SIM releases right now. We need the "one sim to bind them all". GPL used to unify the group... whether folk loved it or hated it :-) Now there's nothing to bring everyone together, so we thrash around debating similar sims which don't really excite us like they should, and dissimilar politics, which excites us far too much. Old folk are all the same, always looking for something to moan about. Next thing you know someone will start a thread moaning about the state of RAS ;-) Andrew McP

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> In article <I7rbe.19209$Z73.12087@lakeread04>, [email hidden] (Larry) > wrote: > >> Steve, I think part of it is due to the utter bordom that's >> taking place in SIM releases right now. > > We need the "one sim to bind them all". GPL used to unify the group... > whether folk loved it or hated it :-) Now there's nothing to bring > everyone together, so we thrash around debating similar sims which don't > really excite us like they should, and dissimilar politics, which excites > us far too much. > > Old folk are all the same, always looking for something to moan about. > Next thing you know someone will start a thread moaning about the state of > RAS ;-) >

Maybe the shine's simply off sims in general. A physically realistic sim was a brand new concept when I started posting in '93 on this newsgroup (here from day 1, so to speak) and there was a certain "wow" factor related to finally being able to pilot the same *insert favourite racing genre* car on a somewhat realistic rendering of *insert favourite track here*. The incremental improvements in sims over the decade are great, and it is astonishing to compare the newest offerings to ICR1 or World Circuit, but I still think nothing will quite touch the original discovery of the sim genre in terms of a catalyst effect for lively discussion. The only other significant improvement, and this is why it will always be a hot topic, was the arrival of GPL. It brought the first proper physics engine based on the danymics of discrete rigid bodies, and represented a departure from more simple lookup tables. Everything else since then represents an improvement on the same basic concept. Until proper real-time CFD arrives in a sim, it will probably be pretty quiet for the gearheads in here (Mech. Eng. myself). Stephen

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:01:31 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>This is why I liked TEN so much. > >It's scoring system was FAR superior to Sierra's. The info in Sierra is >almost useless. > >They should be scoring top 10's, top 5's, Win's, Poles and other stuff as >well as LPI and rank. > >Sierra gives no sense of accomplishment. I firmly believe that's why so few >people care about what happens there in online races. > >-Larry

While all that other info might be pretty cool, I don't think it would have any bearing on a driver's skill for safe racing. That's what we all want, right? A fun competition against others of our relative skill level. If a driver doesn't have any wins or poles, some people wouldn't count him as a good racer, even if his LPI is through the roof... Eldred

I certainly do NOT agree with that... We just haven't HAD a good one since NR2003. -Larry "Stephen F." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:426f3f91$[email hidden]... \> Maybe the shine's simply off sims in general. A physically realistic sim

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> was a brand new concept when I started posting in '93 on this newsgroup > (here from day 1, so to speak) and there was a certain "wow" factor > related to finally being able to pilot the same *insert favourite racing > genre* car on a somewhat realistic rendering of *insert favourite track > here*. The incremental improvements in sims over the decade are great, > and it is astonishing to compare the newest offerings to ICR1 or World > Circuit, but I still think nothing will quite touch the original discovery > of the sim genre in terms of a catalyst effect for lively discussion. The > only other significant improvement, and this is why it will always be a > hot topic, was the arrival of GPL. It brought the first proper physics > engine based on the danymics of discrete rigid bodies, and represented a > departure from more simple lookup tables. Everything else since then > represents an improvement on the same basic concept. Until proper > real-time CFD arrives in a sim, it will probably be pretty quiet for the > gearheads in here (Mech. Eng. myself). > > Stephen > > > > >

Eldred, To win, you have to finish :) You don't finish by knocking cars out of your way most of the time. You inevitably become your own victim. As for the second part of your statement, everyone can't win. There's only one first place. That's where the top 5's and 10's come in. In general, wins don't win championships (unless it's a walk-away). Consistent Top 5's and 10's do. -Larry "Eldred Pickett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> While all that other info might be pretty cool, I don't think it would > have any bearing on a driver's skill for safe racing. That's what we > all want, right? A fun competition against others of our relative > skill level. If a driver doesn't have any wins or poles, some people > wouldn't count him as a good racer, even if his LPI is through the > roof... > > Eldred