My compliments to test drivers (and to developers normaly). This thing is
screaming "simulation ". Not like NH which is only made to grab a piece of
dollar cake. It isn't even intended for simulation market (hardcore mode was
last on their list). N4 is telling me, we're doing it because we love it.
And this is the only good reason. Driving NH would only spoil my good taste.
Thx Papyrus
>Of course, the AI is very important. Can't always find a group of
>mature people to fill a field on a track you want to race on at the
>time you do.
>
That's why I'm in a league.
Racer X
Veteran Sim Racer
#4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC
#24 Monte Carlo in the DORL
Victory Lane-
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/
On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 00:32:20 +0100, "Mario Petrinovic"
<[email hidden]> thus spoke:
Seeing as you haven't even seen the game running with any AI don't you
think you're comments are a bit premature?
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>My compliments to test drivers (and to developers normaly). This thing is >screaming "simulation ". Not like NH which is only made to grab a piece of >dollar cake. It isn't even intended for simulation market (hardcore mode was >last on their list). N4 is telling me, we're doing it because we love it. >And this is the only good reason. Driving NH would only spoil my good taste. >Thx Papyrus > > >>Seeing as you haven't even seen the game running with any AI don't you
>think you're comments are a bit premature?
>
You still race against the AI? With a little thing called multiplayer, I could
care less if the AI weren't improved. I've tried the multi with N4 already and
I'm quite happy with it.
Racer X
Veteran Sim Racer
#4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC
#24 Monte Carlo in the DORL
Victory Lane-
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/
I definitely want improved AI the more refined and realistic the better.
Don't give Papy an out to become lazy
with the AI because you "could care less about if the AI weren't improved"
do to "a little thing called multiplayer".
I would venture to say more folks race AI then using multiplayer due to bad
ping rates etc.But, then again,
since YOU tried the multi with N4 and am happy with it
................................................
> You still race against the AI? With a little thing called multiplayer, Icould
> care less if the AI weren't improved. I've tried the multi with N4already and
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> I'm quite happy with it. > Racer X > Veteran Sim Racer > #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC > #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL > Victory Lane- > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/ >I love both. NH and N4 are both awesome!
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"Mario Petrinovic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> My compliments to test drivers (and to developers normaly). This thing is
> screaming "simulation ". Not like NH which is only made to grab a piece of
> dollar cake. It isn't even intended for simulation market (hardcore mode was
> last on their list). N4 is telling me, we're doing it because we love it.
> And this is the only good reason. Driving NH would only spoil my good taste.
> Thx Papyrus
>
>
>
>
Of course, the AI is very important. Can't always find a group of
mature people to fill a field on a track you want to race on at the
time you do.
On 04 Dec 2000 00:26:47 GMT, [email hidden] (Target 12) wrote:
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>>Seeing as you haven't even seen the game running with any AI don't you >>think you're comments are a bit premature? >> > >You still race against the AI? With a little thing called multiplayer, I could >care less if the AI weren't improved. I've tried the multi with N4 already and >I'm quite happy with it. >Racer X >Veteran Sim Racer >#4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC >#24 Monte Carlo in the DORL >Victory Lane- >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/Some people have to pay for their connection time to the internet and some
people live in places where it is difficult to race on-line due to high ping
rates! Maybe you are happy with the multi-player game but there will be
many more people who will never race on-line and I think they would like to
see an improvement in the AI.
Chris
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"Target 12" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >Seeing as you haven't even seen the game running with any AI don't you
> >think you're comments are a bit premature?
> >
>
> You still race against the AI? With a little thing called multiplayer, I
could
> care less if the AI weren't improved. I've tried the multi with N4
already and
> I'm quite happy with it.
> Racer X
> Veteran Sim Racer
> #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC
> #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL
> Victory Lane-
> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/
>
On 04 Dec 2000 00:26:47 GMT, [email hidden] (Target 12) thus spoke:
>You still race against the AI? With a little thing called multiplayer, I could
>care less if the AI weren't improved. I've tried the multi with N4 already and
>I'm quite happy with it.
I'm more interested in good AI than MP.
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>
> Not like NH which is only made to grab a piece of
> dollar cake. It isn't even intended for simulation market (hardcore mode was
> last on their list).
This comment has been made too much for me not to comment. With
N2, N99, N3, and now the N4 demo (can't remember about N1) after installing
I had to specifically "uncheck" the driving aids. Didn't GPL even come with
driving aids on as the default? Can it then be assumed that none of these
driving games were really aimed at the Sim market? I'm only trying to make
a point here, not put Papy down. If the developers don't ship with the
aids on, then the arcade racers and newbies will consider it too hard to
drive and take it back, whereas the hardcore simmer immediately knows where
to look to remove the aids.
Yes, Hardcore mode is a hidden (yet widely known online) feature that MGI
placed in the config file, and I was hoping they'd put it in the menu for the
release, but come on... NH hardcore is easy to turn on and screems out
"I'm a real sim" to me. If hardcore mode was last on their list, why is it
such a pleasure to drive in hardcore mode and one of the best features of
NH? The problem most people have with NH is the modes (Beat the Heat and
Race the Pro, as well as the progressive AI in normal mode) you would usually
find in an arcade game. IMHO MGI/Hasbro is pulling off an incredible feat...
successfully catering to the arcade and sim racers with one racing title.
Not everyone on either side will cross over to really appreciate NH, but I
think MGI be very successful with their new strategy. I didn't expect
NH to de-throne Papy, but with some fixes, enhancements and tweaking it will
definitely be very competitive with any Papyrus Nascar sim. That is really
what we want here... right?
After a couple hours of driving NH in hardcore mode, it spoiled my taste for
N3 and I never went back. The same didn't happen after spending some time
with the N4 demo. I didn't have the urge to leave NH, rather I got excited
about the possibilities of enjoying two Nascar sims now! ;-)
I'm loving the improved physics models of the Nascar sims and will enjoy
watching Papy and MGI compete. Raising the bar with each title will now be
necessary, and will only make my Nascar sim experiences more enjoyable.
Dave Ericson
"MomoBoy"
JDB Racing
>and some
>of us have lives and jobs that don't permit the commitment that a league
>requires.
>
>Marc.
Well, that's unfortunate for you.
Racer X
Veteran Sim Racer
#4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC
#24 Monte Carlo in the DORL
Victory Lane-
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/
In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
(Target 12) writes:
I haven't even tried N4 online. If it's like GPL and N3, I won't be able to
keep up. At least I can turn *down* the AI...<g>
Eldred
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>>Seeing as you haven't even seen the game running with any AI don't you >>think you're comments are a bit premature? >> > >You still race against the AI? With a little thing called multiplayer, I >could >care less if the AI weren't improved. I've tried the multi with N4 already >and >I'm quite happy with it.AMEN, Marc! Papy may have a strangle-hold on good internet multiplayer
code, but I think ISI's F1CS2K might be able to teach Papy a thing or
two about intelligent AI!
-- JB
In article <CjZW5.32611$i%[email hidden]>,
"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Some people have relatively cheap high speed DSL Internetconnections, but
> still want great AI because most people racing online are morons--andsome
> of us have lives and jobs that don't permit the commitment that aleague
and some
> > people live in places where it is difficult to race on-line due tohigh
> ping
> > rates! Maybe you are happy with the multi-player game but therewill be
> > many more people who will never race on-line and I think they wouldlike
don't you
> > > >think you're comments are a bit premature?
> > > >
> > >
> > > You still race against the AI? With a little thing calledmultiplayer,
> I
> > could
> > > care less if the AI weren't improved. I've tried the multi withN4
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> requires. > > Marc. > > "Chris Bloom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:90f60m$bep$[email hidden]... > > Some people have to pay for their connection time to the internetQuoted text (15 lines)
> to > > see an improvement in the AI. > > > > Chris > > > > > > -- > > > > www.geocities.com/simbokza > > > > Remove _your_clothes before replying > > > > "Target 12" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > >Seeing as you haven't even seen the game running with any AIQuoted text (13 lines)
> > already and > > > I'm quite happy with it. > > > Racer X > > > Veteran Sim Racer > > > #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC > > > #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL > > > Victory Lane- > > > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/ > > > > > > > > >Some people have relatively cheap high speed DSL Internet connections, but
still want great AI because most people racing online are morons--and some
of us have lives and jobs that don't permit the commitment that a league
requires.
Marc.
"Chris Bloom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Some people have to pay for their connection time to the internet and some
> people live in places where it is difficult to race on-line due to highping
> rates! Maybe you are happy with the multi-player game but there will be
> many more people who will never race on-line and I think they would liketo
I
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> see an improvement in the AI. > > Chris > > > -- > > www.geocities.com/simbokza > > Remove _your_clothes before replying > > "Target 12" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > >Seeing as you haven't even seen the game running with any AI don't you > > >think you're comments are a bit premature? > > > > > > > You still race against the AI? With a little thing called multiplayer,Quoted text (13 lines)
> could > > care less if the AI weren't improved. I've tried the multi with N4 > already and > > I'm quite happy with it. > > Racer X > > Veteran Sim Racer > > #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC > > #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL > > Victory Lane- > > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/ > > > >Agreed.
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Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Some people have to pay for their connection time to the internet and some
> people live in places where it is difficult to race on-line due to high
ping
> rates! Maybe you are happy with the multi-player game but there will be
> many more people who will never race on-line and I think they would like
to
> see an improvement in the AI.
>
> Chris
>
