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Re: warez f1cs2000

33 posts by 14 people · 02 Dec 2000 - 04 Dec 2000 17:43 UTC

Flame warWarez F1 Championship Season 2000 sparks hostility

Alex Cameron asked for help with poor framerates in a downloaded copy of F1 Championship Season 2000 and said he would buy it if he liked it. Regulars attacked him as a warez user and mocked his spelling; he said he was dyslexic and the exchange became personal. Some on-topic advice covered Detonator driver versions and wheel deadzone problems with Logitech wheels.

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I can't spell because I'm dislexic, and since when is someone that has a two foot high pile of bought games sitting next to him a warezdood. I downloaded the game as a demo it dosn't work properly so I'll wait for the oficial demo befor buying the game. And sorry for swearing but these coments seem totaly unrelated to my post as I have tryed to explain I'M NOT A WAREZ DOOD. Alex "Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Anybody ever notice that most warezdoodz can't spell worth a lick (my > thumbs)? Gotta be a connection there somewhere...
(unknown) 02 Dec 2000#217596
Alex, Warez is a VERY touchy topic around these parts, so you're ALWAYS going to be opening a can of worms when you use that word in a post. I do understand your approach, and I don't doubt your sincerity about purchasing what you like, but please remember that since you are not a regular poster her (I don't recognize your name as someone who posts regularly, anyway), many of the regulars may tend to view you as a slack-jawed, bottom-feeding "warez dood" who never spends a penny on what they play, and they will treat you accordingly. That said, I recommend that you browse the F1 2000 board on the High Gear F1 2000 forum (http://www.simracingnews.com/). They're not very friendly towards the usage of warez there, either, but you'll find a LOT of info on F1 2000 and F1CS2K there, so if you read and post carefully, you'll usually be able to find answers to your questions. One thing you might try is to check what your "SystemRating" value is in the config.ini file (located in your F1CS installation directory). My Duron 750 is assigned a "SystemRating=3" value by the game during initial setup and it runs VERY smoothly (20+ fps in nearly all situations, around 18+ during a start). I tried setting the value to "SystemRating=5" though, and my performance dropped down into the mid-teens (17 fps or so max, down to 12 or so at the starts). This can make a HUGE difference, as I believe the "SystemRating" value determines how large the textures are; faster systems can handle larger textures, whereas slower systems are only given smaller textures to work with (I THINK this is how the "SystemRating" value works, anyway). On my old AMD K6-2 500 system, for example, I was assigned a "SystemRating=3" value in F1 2000, but I dropped that down to "SystemRating=2" and then "SystemRating=1" and saw even better performance, but the performance came with a price, as the trackside details (billboards, signs, distance markers, etc.) became much less crisp and almost blurry (kind of like I was driving without my contacts!). It was a reasonable tradeoff fo me, though, so I accepted less crisp graphics in exchange for better frame rates. So, if you're experiencing poor performance, ALWAYS try taking your "SystemRating" value down a notch to see if that improves things. Hope this helps! -- JB In article <90bjk1$ojc$[email hidden]>, "Geordie Boot Boy" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I can't spell because I'm dislexic, and since when is someone thathas a two > foot high pile of bought games sitting next to him a warezdood. Idownloaded > the game as a demo it dosn't work properly so I'll wait for theoficial demo > befor buying the game. And sorry for swearing but these coments seemtotaly
Quoted text (7 lines)> unrelated to my post as I have tryed to explain I'M NOT A WAREZ DOOD. > > Alex > > "Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Anybody ever notice that most warezdoodz can't spell worth a lick
(my > > thumbs)? Gotta be a connection there somewhere... > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
I was useing the 6.34's so it's probably the warez, would you recomend the game is it alot better than F12000? Thanks for the sensible reply btw Regards Alex Cameron <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90bjhh$kuq$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (35 lines)> There MAY be some issues with the latest Detonator drivers (7.xx?). > I'm using a Duron 750 and a 16 MB TNT2 Ultra with the 6.34 Detonator > drivers, and I can run a full field of cars, details set to max, cars > set to medium, effects set to medium or low, mirrors on medium, and the > graphics look VERY good at a constant 20+ fps. I am NOT using a warez > version, so I cannot comment on that -- I have the retail copy, but all > my testing has been done on a late beta copy. I plan on installing the > final retail to see how it compares, but I would expect that it's > similar to what I am currently using. > > My guess is you have a driver issue. > > -- JB > > In article <90anjk$aiu$[email hidden]>, > "Geordie Boot Boy" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > I've downloaded f1cs2000 to give it a try (if I like it I will buy > the game, > > but I don't feel guilty about d/ling it because I bought the first > and I > > think this is just the finished version of that) but the framerate is > > terable it runs at about 10fps even with no other cars and everything > turned > > down on my athlon 900+gf ddr. I've herd the framerate problems of the > > original are sorted out in this one so it is oviosly the messed up > warez but > > has anyone else runing the class warez without problems? > > > > Alex > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.
(unknown) 02 Dec 2000#217600
In article <90blac$fch$[email hidden]>, "Geordie Boot Boy" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I was useing the 6.34's so it's probably the warez, would yourecomend the > game is it alot better than F12000? The short answer is "definitely yes," but if you want my detailed analysis of F1CS2K, go here: http://www.bhmotorsports.com/reviews/f1cs.htm > Thanks for the sensible reply btw Glad to help! Despite the fact that we bludgeon warez doods around here, sim racers are ALWAYS welcome!! ;-) -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
EldredP 02 Dec 2000#217604
In article <90b867$lq7$[email hidden]>, "Geordie Boot Boy" <[email hidden]> writes: >Sorry if I offended anyone but I wanted to know if it is the game or the >messed up warez that dosn't like my pc. > >Alex Cameron >GPLrank -47.45 > Funny how you didn't put this in your *original* post. Why do it now? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +44.17 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
Johan N 02 Dec 2000#217611
In article <90bjk1$ojc$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...
Quoted text (7 lines)> I can't spell because I'm dislexic, and since when is someone that has a two > foot high pile of bought games sitting next to him a warezdood. I downloaded > the game as a demo it dosn't work properly so I'll wait for the oficial demo > befor buying the game. And sorry for swearing but these coments seem totaly > unrelated to my post as I have tryed to explain I'M NOT A WAREZ DOOD. > > Alex
I think your doing the right thing when you test before you buy. I would myself and I can't see anything moral wrong with that. -- Greetings Johan N [email hidden]
I've downloaded f1cs2000 to give it a try (if I like it I will buy the game, but I don't feel guilty about d/ling it because I bought the first and I think this is just the finished version of that) but the framerate is terable it runs at about 10fps even with no other cars and everything turned down on my athlon 900+gf ddr. I've herd the framerate problems of the original are sorted out in this one so it is oviosly the messed up warez but has anyone else runing the class warez without problems? Alex
j00 ar3 4 c00l w4r3z dud3! Pl34s t4k3 1t s0m3w3r3 3ls3, b3f0r3 1 p4ck3t j00, b1tch! Geordie Boot Boy wrote:
Quoted text (9 lines)> I've downloaded f1cs2000 to give it a try (if I like it I will buy the game, > but I don't feel guilty about d/ling it because I bought the first and I > think this is just the finished version of that) but the framerate is > terable it runs at about 10fps even with no other cars and everything turned > down on my athlon 900+gf ddr. I've herd the framerate problems of the > original are sorted out in this one so it is oviosly the messed up warez but > has anyone else runing the class warez without problems? > > Alex
-- Rob Swindells // http://www.robswindells.com http://www.f1core.com // "Question: Why [is GPL], [one] of the best driving games ever made, so hard to find and under-f*****g-appreciated? It's damn near criminal..." ~Frank // Uh... yeah, Brain, but where are we going to find rubber pants our size?
fuck you I said I would buy the game if I like it, I realy don't thing EA need protection from you!!! I've had my fingers burn too many times not to try games befor I buy them, I've spent around �800 on games in the last year and a half I even bought Le Mans 24h for god's sake (if only I'd tryed that first) I liked the demo of Nascar Heat but it isn't avalable in the uk so insted of downloading it I orderd it form America. I understand that if everyboy took advantage of warez no games would get made and thats why if I like a game I've downloaded (and that's a whole 5 games and none of them apart from f1cs2k are still on my hard disk) I BUY IT!!! if I don't like it I DELETE IT and save myself �25. Sorry if I offended anyone but I wanted to know if it is the game or the messed up warez that dosn't like my pc. Alex Cameron GPLrank -47.45 "Reggie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7d8W5.5033$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (22 lines)> If you can afford an Athlon 900, you can afford a 19 dollar game. Now go > away. > > > "Geordie Boot Boy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:90anjk$aiu$[email hidden]... > > I've downloaded f1cs2000 to give it a try (if I like it I will buy the > game, > > but I don't feel guilty about d/ling it because I bought the first and I > > think this is just the finished version of that) but the framerate is > > terable it runs at about 10fps even with no other cars and everything > turned > > down on my athlon 900+gf ddr. I've herd the framerate problems of the > > original are sorted out in this one so it is oviosly the messed up warez > but > > has anyone else runing the class warez without problems? > > > > Alex > > > > > >
On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:34:39 -0000, "Geordie Boot Boy" <[email hidden]> wrote: >fuck you rself! >Sorry if I offended anyone but I wanted to know if it is the game or the >messed up warez that dosn't like my pc. If you're using a warez version, why don't you ask your questions on the warez boards then!? No one's gonna stop the warez scene, but don't come bothering people in public boards and news groups. Is that too much to ask for? Jan
(unknown) 02 Dec 2000#217736
There MAY be some issues with the latest Detonator drivers (7.xx?). I'm using a Duron 750 and a 16 MB TNT2 Ultra with the 6.34 Detonator drivers, and I can run a full field of cars, details set to max, cars set to medium, effects set to medium or low, mirrors on medium, and the graphics look VERY good at a constant 20+ fps. I am NOT using a warez version, so I cannot comment on that -- I have the retail copy, but all my testing has been done on a late beta copy. I plan on installing the final retail to see how it compares, but I would expect that it's similar to what I am currently using. My guess is you have a driver issue. -- JB In article <90anjk$aiu$[email hidden]>, "Geordie Boot Boy" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I've downloaded f1cs2000 to give it a try (if I like it I will buythe game, > but I don't feel guilty about d/ling it because I bought the firstand I > think this is just the finished version of that) but the framerate is > terable it runs at about 10fps even with no other cars and everythingturned > down on my athlon 900+gf ddr. I've herd the framerate problems of the > original are sorted out in this one so it is oviosly the messed upwarez but > has anyone else runing the class warez without problems? > > Alex > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
ymenard 02 Dec 2000 12:20 UTC#217649
>"Geordie Boot Boy" <[email hidden]> wrote > it runs at about 10fps even with no other cars and everything turned > down on my athlon 900+gf ddr. sniff. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
Reggie 02 Dec 2000 15:05 UTC#217681
If you can afford an Athlon 900, you can afford a 19 dollar game. Now go away. "Geordie Boot Boy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90anjk$aiu$[email hidden]... > I've downloaded f1cs2000 to give it a try (if I like it I will buy thegame, > but I don't feel guilty about d/ling it because I bought the first and I > think this is just the finished version of that) but the framerate is > terable it runs at about 10fps even with no other cars and everythingturned > down on my athlon 900+gf ddr. I've herd the framerate problems of the > original are sorted out in this one so it is oviosly the messed up warezbut > has anyone else runing the class warez without problems? > > Alex > >
Barton Brown 02 Dec 2000 19:07 UTC#217733
Anybody ever notice that most warezdoodz can't spell worth a lick (my thumbs)? Gotta be a connection there somewhere...
Gerry Aitken 02 Dec 2000 23:22 UTC#217490
Barton Brown wrote: > > Anybody ever notice that most warezdoodz can't spell worth a lick (my > thumbs)? Gotta be a connection there somewhere... Why don't you create a web site with your thoughts on warez and spelling? Then in future you could just post a link, thus ensuring that anyone wanting to be bored shitless is only one click away!
(unknown) 03 Dec 2000#217484
Bobi, Try this: Setting the "dead zone" slider to zero in the menus, and the "sensitivity" slider to 100%. Someone else reported that this solved their problem. Let me know what you find out. -- JB In article <90dd9o$888i$[email hidden]>, "Bobi" <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted text (15 lines)> > Hmm.. John, I didn't know about this when we 'tested' F1CS > last night. > > I may be hasty in my conclusion if this makes a large > difference in > > performance. If this fixes it, I still have a concern, > though, with the > > unusable FF and large deadzone using my ACT Labs wheel. > > > > How was the deadzone and FF on your wheel? > > I have set my deadzone to 5 but I thing that your problem is > the deadzone In DX not in the game. Try to find the DXTweak > utilitie from teh Wingman team > >
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Jan Loebzien 03 Dec 2000 00:17 UTC#217511
On Sat, 02 Dec 2000 23:26:21 +0000, Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote: >Why don't you create a web site with your thoughts on warez and >spelling? Then in future you could just post a link, thus ensuring that >anyone wanting to be bored shitless is only one click away! You forgot to insert the link to your own website! Woulda saved you two lines of text. :) Mine is http://1st-blaze.euhost.com , btw ...
Andre Warringa 03 Dec 2000 01:49 UTC#217524
On Sat, 02 Dec 2000 16:24:50 -0600, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted text (8 lines)>Hmm.. John, I didn't know about this when we 'tested' F1CS last night. >I may be hasty in my conclusion if this makes a large difference in >performance. If this fixes it, I still have a concern, though, with the >unusable FF and large deadzone using my ACT Labs wheel. > >How was the deadzone and FF on your wheel? > >Thanks!
Ed, FPS of F1CS2000 is great on my PIII500 V3 3000, 1024 resolution, most details set to max, and with 21 cars. F1 2000 was unplayable with these settings on my system :) There must be some sort of driver conflict on your system. The deadzone and the ff however, are a problem. FF is hardly there, and deadzone is way to high on my LWFF (and ofcourse I set the deadzone to 0 in the game). Hope there will be a fix for this. Good thing: It immedialtely worked with my LWFF and CH pedals, so far only GPL worked immediately with this combo. To keep it short: F1CS2000 is imho a h-u-g-e improvement over F1 2000, and (again imho) the best F1 sim so far. I played GP3 after playing F1CS2000, and I had the same feeling when I played N3 after playing N4. Yep, I think it's that good. Andre
John Bodin 03 Dec 2000 02:02 UTC#217527
On Sat, 02 Dec 2000 16:24:50 -0600, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: >On Sat, 02 Dec 2000 20:22:36 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:<SNIP> >Hmm.. John, I didn't know about this when we 'tested' F1CS last night. >I may be hasty in my conclusion if this makes a large difference in >performance. If this fixes it, I still have a concern, though, with the >unusable FF and large deadzone using my ACT Labs wheel. > >How was the deadzone and FF on your wheel? I'm using a TSW2 -- the deadzone is FINE, but I can't comment on the Force Feedback. According to ISI, the FF is essentially the same as it has been since SCGT. There are some available tweaks, but . . . -- JB
On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 02:02:24 GMT, [email hidden] (John Bodin) wrote: >I'm using a TSW2 -- the deadzone is FINE, but I can't comment on the >Force Feedback. According to ISI, the FF is essentially the same as >it has been since SCGT. There are some available tweaks, but . . . > >-- JB John, you got no deadzone at all? I've messed with the Logitec profiler, used CTFJ, but the deadzone stays way to high.. Andre
>John, you got no deadzone at all? I've messed with the Logitec >profiler, used CTFJ, but the deadzone stays way to high.. > >Andre I have no deadzone wuth my Thrustmaster CART Pro Digiral wheel :)
On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 03:39:13 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted text (11 lines)>On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 02:02:24 GMT, [email hidden] (John Bodin) >wrote: > >>I'm using a TSW2 -- the deadzone is FINE, but I can't comment on the >>Force Feedback. According to ISI, the FF is essentially the same as >>it has been since SCGT. There are some available tweaks, but . . . >> >>-- JB > >John, you got no deadzone at all? I've messed with the Logitec >profiler, used CTFJ, but the deadzone stays way to high..
Nope -- none at all. I wiggle my TSW2 and the wheel in the cockpit of F1CS2K wiggles in unison. VERY cool! I'd guess that this is a bug (or "feature") with the Logitech drivers that only appears in conjunction with F12K and F1CS2K. I know the ISI guys use LWFF wheels, so I'll inquire to see what THEY do to make it better. -- JB.
In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (TRUSRS85) wrote:
Quoted text (7 lines)> >John, you got no deadzone at all? I've messed with the Logitec > >profiler, used CTFJ, but the deadzone stays way to high.. > > > >Andre > > I have no deadzone wuth my Thrustmaster CART Pro Digiral wheel > :)
A CART Pro Digital Wheel? Are you pulling our collective legs, or is there some licensing deal going on with CART and Thrustmaster/Guillemot that I haven't heard about yet???? -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
>A CART Pro Digital Wheel? Are you pulling our collective legs, or is >there some licensing deal going on with CART and Thrustmaster/Guillemot >that I haven't heard about yet???? lol I wish I am just sick and tired of saying Nascar Pro digital wheel So now I say CART Pro digital wheel seriously, the wheel is so much better now that it is a CART wheel :) I am really insane I am a Tool lol :)
Bobi 03 Dec 2000 12:11 UTC#217450
> Hmm.. John, I didn't know about this when we 'tested' F1CSlast night. > I may be hasty in my conclusion if this makes a largedifference in > performance. If this fixes it, I still have a concern,though, with the > unusable FF and large deadzone using my ACT Labs wheel. > > How was the deadzone and FF on your wheel? I have set my deadzone to 5 but I thing that your problem is the deadzone In DX not in the game. Try to find the DXTweak utilitie from teh Wingman team
Barton Brown 03 Dec 2000 18:35 UTC#217360
Everyone that can't spell claims they're dyslexic -- maybe they are, but it's funny that before the term "dyslexic" came into the general vocabulary (quite recently), "bad upbringing" or "poor education" was the excuse. Use a spell-checker. I'm not going to ignite, promulgate, or even participate peripherally in another useless flame war about warez. Whatever justification you use (I've got a thousand-foot stack of games I've paid for, I'm just trying this out, yadda yadda yadda), it's stealing someone else's property...period. Jan Loebzien had the best answer: "If you're using a warez version, why don't you ask your questions on the warez boards then?" Since most warez users pride themselves (inordinately) on their technical chops, there should certainly be someone in the warez "community" who can help you out. Since you're a customer of BT Internet Services, and when you signed up with them you entered into a contract, enforceable under English law, whereby you agreed to abide by BTI's Terms of Service, let me point out some specific points from British Telecommunications' TOS dealing with copyright law and intellectual property rights: << 6.3 You warrant that the Information will not include any material which is (or the accessing of which) would be a criminal offence or otherwise unlawful. In particular, you warrant that all necessary licences and consents (including those from owners of copyrights or performing rights) have been obtained. 6.5 The Service must not be used: (a) fraudulently or in connection with a criminal offence; (b) to send, receive, upload, download, use or re-use any material which is offensive, abusive, indecent, defamatory, obscene or menacing, or in breach of copyright, confidence, privacy or any other rights; 21. Law/Jurisdiction This Contract is governed by English Law and you and we submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts.>>
Barton Brown 03 Dec 2000 18:53 UTC#217364
Thanks for the suggestion, but since I doubt you'd be able to figure out how to navigate to it, I feel obligated to put it right in front of you where you can't miss it. Here's a link you can practice on, though -- it's NTL's TOS statement: http://www.ntli.net/legals/default.asp?serial=2 Oh, and anyone wanting to be bored shitless need not fiddle around with links, all they need to do is simply open any one of your messages -- quick, easy, and brain-deading... Cheers! Gerry Aitken wrote: > > Why don't you create a web site with your thoughts on warez and > spelling? Then in future you could just post a link, thus ensuring that > anyone wanting to be bored shitless is only one click away!
Barton Brown 03 Dec 2000 19:10 UTC#217368
Barton Brown wrote: > > I'm not going to ignite, promulgate, or even participate peripherally in > another useless flame war about warez. Well, I tried...
Barton Brown 03 Dec 2000 21:56 UTC#217391
rrevved wrote: > > Pheel phree to phutz about on the phringes of this phat pharce. > > ;) > D3Wd! at8s 2X dOp3!
Alex Cameron 04 Dec 2000 03:22 UTC#217315
I sugest you read this: http://www.dyslexia-inst.org.uk/articles/100_years.htm I am a diegnosed dyslexic, I'm not thick, I havn't had a bad upbringing, I may have had a poor education because of people like you. Also I wasn't trying to justify downloading warez I was trying to say that I am a sim racer not a warez dood. Alex Cameron "Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (44 lines)> Everyone that can't spell claims they're dyslexic -- maybe they are, but > it's funny that before the term "dyslexic" came into the general > vocabulary (quite recently), "bad upbringing" or "poor education" was > the excuse. Use a spell-checker. > > I'm not going to ignite, promulgate, or even participate peripherally in > another useless flame war about warez. Whatever justification you use > (I've got a thousand-foot stack of games I've paid for, I'm just trying > this out, yadda yadda yadda), it's stealing someone else's > property...period. > > Jan Loebzien had the best answer: > > "If you're using a warez version, why don't you ask your questions on > the warez boards then?" > > Since most warez users pride themselves (inordinately) on their > technical chops, there should certainly be someone in the warez > "community" who can help you out. > > Since you're a customer of BT Internet Services, and when you signed up > with them you entered into a contract, enforceable under English law, > whereby you agreed to abide by BTI's Terms of Service, let me point out > some specific points from British Telecommunications' TOS dealing with > copyright law and intellectual property rights: > > << 6.3 You warrant that the Information will not include any material > which is (or the accessing of which) would be a criminal offence or > otherwise unlawful. In particular, you warrant that all necessary > licences and consents (including those from owners of copyrights or > performing rights) have been obtained. > > 6.5 The Service must not be used: > > (a) fraudulently or in connection with a criminal offence; > > (b) to send, receive, upload, download, use or re-use any material which > is offensive, abusive, indecent, defamatory, obscene or menacing, or in > breach of copyright, confidence, privacy or any other rights; > > 21. Law/Jurisdiction > > This Contract is governed by English Law and you and we submit to the > exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts.>>
Mr Barton 'Fartin' Brown wrote: > > Geordie Boot Boy wrote: > > > > I may have had a poor education because of people like you. > > Right. It's my fault. End of discussion. No! He said "...people LIKE you", I do wish you'd pay attention :), you tw*t!

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