N4 vs NHeat cockpit views

Here are a couple of shots worth comparing: NASCAR Heat in-car view: http://www.3dfiles.com/cgi-bin/screenshot.cgi?n/nascarheat2b.jpg NASCAR 4 in-car view: http://www.3dfiles.com/cgi-bin/screenshot.cgi?n/nascar42b.jpg I like Papy's crisp graphics, but I've never had any problem with the way things look in NASCAR Heat (I also wonder if the Heat screen shot was taken with the graphic details scaled back a bit?). One thing that I really don't like about either one is how claustrophobic the cockpit views are -- N4 is worse, with less windshield area available to show you the actual track. For me, a 17" monitor is claustrophobic enough all by itself, and -- call me crazy -- I really do prefer driving/racing simulations over cockpit simulations. Yeah, I know -- it really IS claustrophobic inside a stock car. Even so, the windshield in real-life still offers the driver a lot more viewable real estate than we can achieve achieve even on a 21" monitor using either of these two cockpit views, AND the driver also has the luxury of peripheral vision as well. Bumper-cams are insufficient, IMO, but in-cockpit views like this are overkill as far as I'm concerned. From what I've seen, the cockpit view in the Dreamcast "Ferrari 355 Challenge" game looks like a much better approach to me. Still, between the N4 and Heat, I'd have to say that N4 wins out over Heat in the cockpit simulation war. Too bad I can't tell how it drives -- the screen shots caused my claustrophobia to flare up again, so I'm going to have do some therapy laps in F1 2000 until it subsides. <G> So, the topic is "cockpit views" -- talk amongst yourselves . . . -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Actually, they're not my screen shots -- they're both from the 3dfiles site. I just noticed the N4 screen shot there when I went for the N4 download, so I went searching through their other download archives to see if they had a similar shot of the Heat cockpit (which they did). I agree that it is a pretty poor Heat shot -- I know that it looks much better on my system, anyway. -- JB In article <2uaV5.18877$[email hidden]>, "Jeneral" <[email hidden]> wrote: > That must be the truly ugliest screenshot ever taken of Nascar Heat.For a > second there, I thought it was Nascar 2 or something. Before youcompare the > two, how about taking a comparable screenshot of NH? > > Michael M > > <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:90342m$tks$[email hidden]...

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> > Here are a couple of shots worth comparing: > > > > NASCAR Heat in-car view: > > > > http://www.3dfiles.com/cgi-bin/screenshot.cgi?n/nascarheat2b.jpg > > > > NASCAR 4 in-car view: > > > > http://www.3dfiles.com/cgi-bin/screenshot.cgi?n/nascar42b.jpg > > > > I like Papy's crisp graphics, but I've never had any problem with

the > > way things look in NASCAR Heat (I also wonder if the Heat screenshot > > was taken with the graphic details scaled back a bit?). One thingthat > > I really don't like about either one is how claustrophobic thecockpit > > views are -- N4 is worse, with less windshield area available toshow > > you the actual track. For me, a 17" monitor is claustrophobicenough > > all by itself, and -- call me crazy -- I really do prefer > > driving/racing simulations over cockpit simulations. > > > > Yeah, I know -- it really IS claustrophobic inside a stock car.Even > > so, the windshield in real-life still offers the driver a lot more > > viewable real estate than we can achieve achieve even on a 21"monitor > > using either of these two cockpit views, AND the driver also has the > > luxury of peripheral vision as well. > > > > Bumper-cams are insufficient, IMO, but in-cockpit views like thisare > > overkill as far as I'm concerned. From what I've seen, the cockpit > > view in the Dreamcast "Ferrari 355 Challenge" game looks like a much > > better approach to me. > > > > Still, between the N4 and Heat, I'd have to say that N4 wins outover > > Heat in the cockpit simulation war. Too bad I can't tell how it > > drives -- the screen shots caused my claustrophobia to flare upagain, > > so I'm going to have do some therapy laps in F1 2000 until itsubsides.

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> > <G> > > > > So, the topic is "cockpit views" -- talk amongst yourselves . . . > > > > -- JB > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

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MUCH better shots -- thanks! BTW, I concur! -- JB In article <[email hidden]>, KC <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> That heat shot is from an early beta of the game. > > Here's some better comparison shots.. > > http://www.snowcrash.org/nascarheat/n4demo/heatincar.jpg > > http://www.snowcrash.org/nascarheat/n4demo/n4incar.jpg > > I like the Heat cockpit. > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:45:47 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > > >Actually, they're not my screen shots -- they're both from the

3dfiles > >site. I just noticed the N4 screen shot there when I went for the N4 > >download, so I went searching through their other download archivesto > >see if they had a similar shot of the Heat cockpit (which theydid). I

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> >agree that it is a pretty poor Heat shot -- I know that it looks much > >better on my system, anyway. > > > >-- JB > > > >In article <2uaV5.18877$[email hidden]>, > > "Jeneral" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> That must be the truly ugliest screenshot ever taken of Nascar

Heat.

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> >For a > >> second there, I thought it was Nascar 2 or something. Before you > >compare the > >> two, how about taking a comparable screenshot of NH? > >> > >> Michael M > >> > >> <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:90342m$tks$[email hidden]... > >> > Here are a couple of shots worth comparing: > >> > > >> > NASCAR Heat in-car view: > >> > > >> > http://www.3dfiles.com/cgi-bin/screenshot.cgi?n/nascarheat2b.jpg > >> > > >> > NASCAR 4 in-car view: > >> > > >> > http://www.3dfiles.com/cgi-bin/screenshot.cgi?n/nascar42b.jpg > >> > > >> > I like Papy's crisp graphics, but I've never had any problem with > >the > >> > way things look in NASCAR Heat (I also wonder if the Heat screen > >shot > >> > was taken with the graphic details scaled back a bit?). One

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> >that > >> > I really don't like about either one is how claustrophobic the > >cockpit > >> > views are -- N4 is worse, with less windshield area available to > >show > >> > you the actual track. For me, a 17" monitor is claustrophobic > >enough > >> > all by itself, and -- call me crazy -- I really do prefer > >> > driving/racing simulations over cockpit simulations. > >> > > >> > Yeah, I know -- it really IS claustrophobic inside a stock car. > >Even > >> > so, the windshield in real-life still offers the driver a lot

more > >> > viewable real estate than we can achieve achieve even on a 21" > >monitor > >> > using either of these two cockpit views, AND the driver also hasthe > >> > luxury of peripheral vision as well. > >> > > >> > Bumper-cams are insufficient, IMO, but in-cockpit views like this > >are > >> > overkill as far as I'm concerned. From what I've seen, thecockpit > >> > view in the Dreamcast "Ferrari 355 Challenge" game looks like amuch

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> >> > better approach to me. > >> > > >> > Still, between the N4 and Heat, I'd have to say that N4 wins out > >over > >> > Heat in the cockpit simulation war. Too bad I can't tell how it > >> > drives -- the screen shots caused my claustrophobia to flare up > >again, > >> > so I'm going to have do some therapy laps in F1 2000 until it > >subsides. > >> > <G> > >> > > >> > So, the topic is "cockpit views" -- talk amongst yourselves . . . > >> > > >> > -- JB > >> > > >> > > >> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >> > Before you buy. > >> > >> > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Before you buy. > >

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That must be the truly ugliest screenshot ever taken of Nascar Heat. For a second there, I thought it was Nascar 2 or something. Before you compare the two, how about taking a comparable screenshot of NH? Michael M <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90342m$tks$[email hidden]...

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> Here are a couple of shots worth comparing: > > NASCAR Heat in-car view: > > http://www.3dfiles.com/cgi-bin/screenshot.cgi?n/nascarheat2b.jpg > > NASCAR 4 in-car view: > > http://www.3dfiles.com/cgi-bin/screenshot.cgi?n/nascar42b.jpg > > I like Papy's crisp graphics, but I've never had any problem with the > way things look in NASCAR Heat (I also wonder if the Heat screen shot > was taken with the graphic details scaled back a bit?). One thing that > I really don't like about either one is how claustrophobic the cockpit > views are -- N4 is worse, with less windshield area available to show > you the actual track. For me, a 17" monitor is claustrophobic enough > all by itself, and -- call me crazy -- I really do prefer > driving/racing simulations over cockpit simulations. > > Yeah, I know -- it really IS claustrophobic inside a stock car. Even > so, the windshield in real-life still offers the driver a lot more > viewable real estate than we can achieve achieve even on a 21" monitor > using either of these two cockpit views, AND the driver also has the > luxury of peripheral vision as well. > > Bumper-cams are insufficient, IMO, but in-cockpit views like this are > overkill as far as I'm concerned. From what I've seen, the cockpit > view in the Dreamcast "Ferrari 355 Challenge" game looks like a much > better approach to me. > > Still, between the N4 and Heat, I'd have to say that N4 wins out over > Heat in the cockpit simulation war. Too bad I can't tell how it > drives -- the screen shots caused my claustrophobia to flare up again, > so I'm going to have do some therapy laps in F1 2000 until it subsides. > <G> > > So, the topic is "cockpit views" -- talk amongst yourselves . . . > > -- JB > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

That heat shot is from an early beta of the game. Here's some better comparison shots.. http://www.snowcrash.org/nascarheat/n4demo/heatincar.jpg http://www.snowcrash.org/nascarheat/n4demo/n4incar.jpg I like the Heat cockpit. On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:45:47 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

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>Actually, they're not my screen shots -- they're both from the 3dfiles >site. I just noticed the N4 screen shot there when I went for the N4 >download, so I went searching through their other download archives to >see if they had a similar shot of the Heat cockpit (which they did). I >agree that it is a pretty poor Heat shot -- I know that it looks much >better on my system, anyway. > >-- JB > >In article <2uaV5.18877$[email hidden]>, > "Jeneral" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> That must be the truly ugliest screenshot ever taken of Nascar Heat. >For a >> second there, I thought it was Nascar 2 or something. Before you >compare the >> two, how about taking a comparable screenshot of NH? >> >> Michael M >> >> <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:90342m$tks$[email hidden]... >> > Here are a couple of shots worth comparing: >> > >> > NASCAR Heat in-car view: >> > >> > http://www.3dfiles.com/cgi-bin/screenshot.cgi?n/nascarheat2b.jpg >> > >> > NASCAR 4 in-car view: >> > >> > http://www.3dfiles.com/cgi-bin/screenshot.cgi?n/nascar42b.jpg >> > >> > I like Papy's crisp graphics, but I've never had any problem with >the >> > way things look in NASCAR Heat (I also wonder if the Heat screen >shot >> > was taken with the graphic details scaled back a bit?). One thing >that >> > I really don't like about either one is how claustrophobic the >cockpit >> > views are -- N4 is worse, with less windshield area available to >show >> > you the actual track. For me, a 17" monitor is claustrophobic >enough >> > all by itself, and -- call me crazy -- I really do prefer >> > driving/racing simulations over cockpit simulations. >> > >> > Yeah, I know -- it really IS claustrophobic inside a stock car. >Even >> > so, the windshield in real-life still offers the driver a lot more >> > viewable real estate than we can achieve achieve even on a 21" >monitor >> > using either of these two cockpit views, AND the driver also has the >> > luxury of peripheral vision as well. >> > >> > Bumper-cams are insufficient, IMO, but in-cockpit views like this >are >> > overkill as far as I'm concerned. From what I've seen, the cockpit >> > view in the Dreamcast "Ferrari 355 Challenge" game looks like a much >> > better approach to me. >> > >> > Still, between the N4 and Heat, I'd have to say that N4 wins out >over >> > Heat in the cockpit simulation war. Too bad I can't tell how it >> > drives -- the screen shots caused my claustrophobia to flare up >again, >> > so I'm going to have do some therapy laps in F1 2000 until it >subsides. >> > <G> >> > >> > So, the topic is "cockpit views" -- talk amongst yourselves . . . >> > >> > -- JB >> > >> > >> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> > Before you buy. >> >> > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy.

Whoa, man! That Heat shot must be from a beta or something. Looks almost nothing like the retail game on a good video card at 1024x768 or so. -- ------------------------------------- Morgan Vincent Wooten GPLRank: +15.49 http://home.earthlink.net/~morganv00/ ------------------------------------- <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:90342m$tks$[email hidden]... > Here are a couple of shots worth comparing: > > NASCAR Heat in-car view: > > http://www.3dfiles.com/cgi-bin/screenshot.cgi?n/nascarheat2b.jpg > > NASCAR 4 in-car view: > > http://www.3dfiles.com/cgi-bin/screenshot.cgi?n/nascar42b.jpg > > I like Papy's crisp graphics, but I've never had any problem with the > way things look in NASCAR Heat (I also wonder if the Heat screen shot > was taken with the graphic details scaled back a bit?). One thing that > I really don't like about either one is how claustrophobic the cockpit > views are -- N4 is worse, with less windshield area available to show > you the actual track. For me, a 17" monitor is claustrophobic enough > all by itself, and -- call me crazy -- I really do prefer > driving/racing simulations over cockpit simulations. > > Yeah, I know -- it really IS claustrophobic inside a stock car. Even > so, the windshield in real-life still offers the driver a lot more > viewable real estate than we can achieve achieve even on a 21" monitor > using either of these two cockpit views, AND the driver also has the > luxury of peripheral vision as well. > > Bumper-cams are insufficient, IMO, but in-cockpit views like this are > overkill as far as I'm concerned. From what I've seen, the cockpit > view in the Dreamcast "Ferrari 355 Challenge" game looks like a much > better approach to me. > > Still, between the N4 and Heat, I'd have to say that N4 wins out over > Heat in the cockpit simulation war. Too bad I can't tell how it > drives -- the screen shots caused my claustrophobia to flare up again, > so I'm going to have do some therapy laps in F1 2000 until it subsides. > <G> > > So, the topic is "cockpit views" -- talk amongst yourselves . . . > > -- JB > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. >

Good Job!! That looks a lot more like what I'm used to seeing. After having tried the Nascar 4 Alpha, I think I prefer the look and feel of Nascar Heat. Nascar 4 makes me feel like I'm in the back seat of the car. Maybe it's just because I'm used to NH but it does seem a little cramped and far way. The car was also twitchy as hell with all the aids off. The thing that appealed to me about NH was that the car was driveable without spending every waking moment practicing. I may sound like a heretic, but that's what I hated about GPL. If only they can fix the AI issues (crashing under yellow and never crashing during green : ) NH might be a serious challenger to Papy's throne. Now if only MGI would create a CART game with that engine!!!! Later, Michael M "KC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> That heat shot is from an early beta of the game. > > Here's some better comparison shots.. > > http://www.snowcrash.org/nascarheat/n4demo/heatincar.jpg > > http://www.snowcrash.org/nascarheat/n4demo/n4incar.jpg > > I like the Heat cockpit. > >

If only they would finish NH.

>Here's some better comparison shots.. > >http://www.snowcrash.org/nascarheat/n4demo/heatincar.jpg > >http://www.snowcrash.org/nascarheat/n4demo/n4incar.jpg I like the N4 better just because the gauges are set in their realistic positions.

On 30 Nov 2000 06:46:04 GMT, [email hidden] (Patten Fuqua) wrote:

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>>Here's some better comparison shots.. >> >>http://www.snowcrash.org/nascarheat/n4demo/heatincar.jpg >> >>http://www.snowcrash.org/nascarheat/n4demo/n4incar.jpg > >I like the N4 better just because the gauges are set in their realistic >positions.

Actually all the cars don't have 1 set position for the gauges, and most just go in a straight line across the dash. Which wouldn't work well for computer monitors. The Heat cockpit is loosely based off Bobby Labonte's Cockpit. http://www.bobbylabontefans.com/pictures/2000-06-25/SrsPnt05.JPG