Re: Logitech Force GP Wheel - Major Design Problem ?

In article <6dPT5.1936$[email hidden]>, "Morgan V. Wooten" <[email hidden]> writes: >Come on man! I think it's common knowledge that the new Logitech stuff is >garbage. I've been buying and hording the old Logitech wheels so when the >time >comes I won't have to gamble on something I might not like. > Uh, so what's a person just NOW considering FF supposed to do...? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.12 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

About a month ago, I purchased all new Logitech Controllers, including the Logitech Force FF Joystick and Force GP Wheel. The main reason for doing this was Microsoft's inability to support it's customers with drivers for Windows 2000 and their Controllers. I have a MSFFW and a SideWinder sitting on the shelf now. Yes, I know about the Win2K built-in drivers, but those are not feature complete. They are bare-bones only drivers that do not support the advanced features of the devices, and I must have this. Now, the Logitech stuff, especially the software, have been working fine with the exception of one problem. The Force GP Wheel has developed a horrible squeaking noise. It's very loud, and beyond annoying. It _sounds_ like something internal is plastic-on-plastic and was not lubricated properly at the factory. Luckily, I paid $10 for a 2 year replacement warranty at Best Buy. I will take it in and they hand me a new wheel (so it's supposed to go, at least). What I find troubling is the number of people I've found that have the _exact_ same problem. Lots of people having the same software problem is commonplace. However, lots of people having the same HARDWARE problem is troubling. Is it possible there is a design defect in this wheel, and no number of replacements will ever get rid of it? I was going to take it apart and lubricate whatever needed it, but they have covers over at least one screw and I can't chance voiding the warranty due to the replacement policy I bought. How many here have this problem? -Larry

Come on man! I think it's common knowledge that the new Logitech stuff is garbage. I've been buying and hording the old Logitech wheels so when the time comes I won't have to gamble on something I might not like. -- ------------------------------------- Morgan Vincent Wooten GPLRank: +15.49 http://home.earthlink.net/~morganv00/ ------------------------------------- "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bXJT5.15931$[email hidden]... > About a month ago, I purchased all new Logitech Controllers, including the > Logitech Force FF Joystick and Force GP Wheel. > > The main reason for doing this was Microsoft's inability to support it's > customers with drivers for Windows 2000 and their Controllers. I have a > MSFFW and a SideWinder sitting on the shelf now. > > Yes, I know about the Win2K built-in drivers, but those are not feature > complete. They are bare-bones only drivers that do not support the advanced > features of the devices, and I must have this. > > Now, the Logitech stuff, especially the software, have been working fine > with the exception of one problem. > > The Force GP Wheel has developed a horrible squeaking noise. It's very > loud, and beyond annoying. It _sounds_ like something internal is > plastic-on-plastic and was not lubricated properly at the factory. > > Luckily, I paid $10 for a 2 year replacement warranty at Best Buy. I will > take it in and they hand me a new wheel (so it's supposed to go, at least). > > What I find troubling is the number of people I've found that have the > _exact_ same problem. Lots of people having the same software problem is > commonplace. However, lots of people having the same HARDWARE problem is > troubling. > > Is it possible there is a design defect in this wheel, and no number of > replacements will ever get rid of it? > > I was going to take it apart and lubricate whatever needed it, but they have > covers over at least one screw and I can't chance voiding the warranty due > to the replacement policy I bought. > > How many here have this problem? > > -Larry > > >

Get an old LWFF or better yet an ACTLabs wheel. -- [email hidden] "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <6dPT5.1936$[email hidden]>, "Morgan V. > Wooten" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Come on man! I think it's common knowledge that the new Logitech stuff is > >garbage. I've been buying and hording the old Logitech wheels so when the > >time > >comes I won't have to gamble on something I might not like. > > > > Uh, so what's a person just NOW considering FF supposed to do...? > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +49.12 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:33:54 GMT, "Morgan V. Wooten" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Come on man! I think it's common knowledge that the new Logitech stuff is >garbage. I've been buying and hording the old Logitech wheels so when the time >comes I won't have to gamble on something I might not like. Yep, even their stick is crap. I bought both the wheel and FF stick and sent both back to whence they came.

In article <vIRT5.39814$[email hidden]>, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> writes: >Get an old LWFF or better yet an ACTLabs wheel. > Act Labs? Aren't those close to $200? I'm not keen to spend that much more money, when I already have a TSW2... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.12 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>Uh, so what's a person just NOW considering FF supposed to do...? > I got a new one, perfect for $50 from justdeals. Some have had some bad experiences here, but I'm not sure it's any worse than buying a new anything.

Hello, Actually, a Force RS is only $139.99 USDfrom our web site. The Force RS and RS Shifter is $189.99 USD. You can buy the Force RS by itself. Raymond ACT LABS www.act-labs.com On 26 Nov 2000 15:18:11 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <vIRT5.39814$[email hidden]>, "Greg Cisko" ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>Get an old LWFF or better yet an ACTLabs wheel. >> > >Act Labs? Aren't those close to $200? I'm not keen to spend that much more >money, when I already have a TSW2... > >Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >GPL hcp. +49.12 > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Act Labs? Aren't those close to $200? I'm not keen to spend that muchmore > money, when I already have a TSW2... A common misconception, Eldred. They're $139. If you get it with the RS Shifter, it's $189 US. -- Slot Tweaks & Reviews www.slottweak.com

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Raymond, ACT LABS) writes:

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>Hello, > >Actually, a Force RS is only $139.99 USDfrom our web site. The Force >RS and RS Shifter is $189.99 USD. You can buy the Force RS by itself. > > >Raymond >ACT LABS >www.act-labs.com

Spoken like a true salesman...<g> Ok, thanks - I'll check the website. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.12 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (JS) writes:

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>ebay > >I just bought my 2nd additional wheel on ebay Germany :-) > >JensSchumi > >On 25 Nov 2000 15:52:05 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >> >>Uh, so what's a person just NOW considering FF supposed to do...? >> >>Eldred

Ah - I see... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +45.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

ebay I just bought my 2nd additional wheel on ebay Germany :-) JensSchumi On 25 Nov 2000 15:52:05 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >Uh, so what's a person just NOW considering FF supposed to do...? > >Eldred --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://members.nbci.com/JensSchu/ GPLRank: -3.34