I'd wait til it comes out. Papy has implemented T&L support, and say
they've seen benefits from it. The question is whether this applies
only to low/mid spec CPU's, or across the board. Most high-end CPU's
have proven to be faster doing software T&L rather than the cards.
Also, the latest Voodoo5 drivers have a feature where they use part of
the CPU for T&L, really no faster than software, but it fools the
program into thinking hardware T&L is available, potentially unlocking
features and/or optimizations.
What do you have now, and what other games do you play?
Kendt
In article <[email hidden]>,
Mick <[email hidden]> wrote:
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Before you buy.
Hey,
Does anyone know what video card is going to be the best for Nascar 4
yet?
Current sys:
Abit KT7 RAID
T-Bird 1GHz
256MB Crucial cas2
IBM Deskstar 100 ATA
Thanks for suggestions, Mick
This is a misconception spread by hardware gaming websites who don't know
much about 3d programming. Everyone has been putting huge store by the fact
that a P3-600 could perform T&L faster than the onboard T&L on a GeForce 1.
This is not a fair test, because in a real game, only 20-30% of the CPU's
speed is available for performing T&L. Running just straight T&L
performance tests gives meaningless results.
Also by the time N4 is released on-board T&L capabilities (on a whole range
on video cards) will be 4-8x what a GeForce 1 could manage (they are already
double).
Plus having the video card perform T&L frees up that 20-30% of CPU time.
The fact is that the programs I write, although I only program D3D as a
hobby, all run faster with hardware T&L. And Papy say the same thing of N4.
The best card for N4 probably hasn't been released yet anyway. Voodoo 6
anyone? :)
<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8u7df0$4mf$[email hidden]...
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> I'd wait til it comes out. Papy has implemented T&L support, and say > they've seen benefits from it. The question is whether this applies > only to low/mid spec CPU's, or across the board. Most high-end CPU's > have proven to be faster doing software T&L rather than the cards. > Also, the latest Voodoo5 drivers have a feature where they use part of > the CPU for T&L, really no faster than software, but it fools the > program into thinking hardware T&L is available, potentially unlocking > features and/or optimizations. > > What do you have now, and what other games do you play? > > KendtIn article <NKIN5.9550$[email hidden]>,
"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> This is a misconception spread by hardware gaming websites who don't
Point taken, but there were some sites that actually compared game
performance and saw the same thing (but yes, on GF1's original
implementation).
Of course, most games above a certain CPU level and resolution are
limited by the video card, not the CPU. Freeing up extra CPU cycles
doesn't buy you much.
N4 is probably a special case - the physics engine will probably
benefit greatly from any CPU cycles that can be freed. If a T&L card
is a must-have for N4, I'll be building another PC - no way is my V5
coming out of this one ;).
Kendt
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Before you buy.
I don't know how long it will be before it hits the market, but Gigapixel
(who were recently bought by 3dfx) apparently have a chipset that can do
FSAA with no performance hit. Obviously the chipset now belongs to 3dfx, so
the next set of boards from 3dfx (which will probably have hardware T&L on
as well) could be really stunning.
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> Point taken, but there were some sites that actually compared game > performance and saw the same thing (but yes, on GF1's original > implementation). > > Of course, most games above a certain CPU level and resolution are > limited by the video card, not the CPU. Freeing up extra CPU cycles > doesn't buy you much. > > N4 is probably a special case - the physics engine will probably > benefit greatly from any CPU cycles that can be freed. If a T&L card > is a must-have for N4, I'll be building another PC - no way is my V5 > coming out of this one ;). > > KendtRight now I have an old Pentium 100 MHz machine, with an Sierra Screamin
3D video card ;-) (Came with 4MB EDO!!! ) heh heh.. And I'm planning on
playing Nascar4 exclusively.. But, even if I wait till the game comes
out, I'm not going to have 5 or 6 hundred bucks to pay for a video
card.. There has to be something out there for around $300.00 that'll
play the game smoothly, with the system I mentioned in my first post.
Right! right?? Please say I'm right :-/
> What do you have now, and what other games do you play?
I would think that a nice Geforce2 card would be what you are looking for
"Mick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Right now I have an old Pentium 100 MHz machine, with an Sierra Screamin > 3D video card ;-) (Came with 4MB EDO!!! ) heh heh.. And I'm planning on > playing Nascar4 exclusively.. But, even if I wait till the game comes > out, I'm not going to have 5 or 6 hundred bucks to pay for a video > card.. There has to be something out there for around $300.00 that'll > play the game smoothly, with the system I mentioned in my first post. > Right! right?? Please say I'm right :-/ > > > > What do you have now, and what other games do you play?You can get a full Celeron 600 system for around $500.....
"Mick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Right now I have an old Pentium 100 MHz machine, with an Sierra Screamin > 3D video card ;-) (Came with 4MB EDO!!! ) heh heh.. And I'm planning on > playing Nascar4 exclusively.. But, even if I wait till the game comes > out, I'm not going to have 5 or 6 hundred bucks to pay for a video > card.. There has to be something out there for around $300.00 that'll > play the game smoothly, with the system I mentioned in my first post. > Right! right?? Please say I'm right :-/ > > > > What do you have now, and what other games do you play?You must of missed my first post. The system I'm looking for a video
card for is an AMD T-Bird 1GHz, KT7 RAID board, 256MB pc133 cas2, IBM
75GXP 7200rpm ata/100, etc.. And I was hoping for a card that should run
Nascar 4 smoothly for around 300 bucks. But I went ahead and got a PCI
Voodoo3 3000 to use until Nascar4 comes out, and the video cards have
been reviewed on the N4 sim itself.. Then I'll get a good AGP video card
to finish off the box..
Regular Racer wrote:
>
> You can get a full Celeron 600 system for around $500.....
>
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:31:33 GMT, Mick <[email hidden]> thus
spoke:
Well, N4 will have T&L support so the best card right now would be the
Geforce2 Ultra (it's very expensive too).
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>You must of missed my first post. The system I'm looking for a video >card for is an AMD T-Bird 1GHz, KT7 RAID board, 256MB pc133 cas2, IBM >75GXP 7200rpm ata/100, etc.. And I was hoping for a card that should run >Nascar 4 smoothly for around 300 bucks. But I went ahead and got a PCI >Voodoo3 3000 to use until Nascar4 comes out, and the video cards have >been reviewed on the N4 sim itself.. Then I'll get a good AGP video card >to finish off the box.. The best card for N4 hasn't been built yet. The next generation from
Nvidia or 3dfx will be scads better for N4 than whatever is out there now.
(ps did 3dfx "force" Nvidia to build the $600 ultra with rumours of the V5
6k??)
The 3dfx Rampage chipset, will have t&l. The next gen Nvidia will be
better than the geforce 2 and both will be on the thinner .18 micron wafer
chip so both should be fast and overclockable.
I hope 3dfx gets the t&l right without a fps hit and nvidia gets the fsaa
figured out. The RAdeon by ATI just 'might' be THE card for N4.
dave henrie
"Amp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
Sorry to add this on, but the latest 3dfx drivers allow the cpu to handle
the T&L. I have tested it with Combat Flight Sim 2 and can sucessfully
check the T&L box. I can't say if it hurts or hinders performance tho.
dave
I've been wanting to get a Athlon T-bird 1.0ghz. The only thing I don't
know is.. what power supply to get? 250w? 275w? 300w? bigger? I went to
AMD's site and they have the CPU's listed with many different wattage
supplies. If I iknew what to get Power wise, I'd be all set.
So.. What deturmins what wattage supply is needed? The CPU? The MB?
The combination of and including everything else?
Mick wrote in message <[email hidden]>...
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>You must of missed my first post. The system I'm looking for a video >card for is an AMD T-Bird 1GHz, KT7 RAID board, 256MB pc133 cas2, IBM >75GXP 7200rpm ata/100, etc.. And I was hoping for a card that should run >Nascar 4 smoothly for around 300 bucks. But I went ahead and got a PCI >Voodoo3 3000 to use until Nascar4 comes out, and the video cards have >been reviewed on the N4 sim itself.. Then I'll get a good AGP video card >to finish off the box.. > >Regular Racer wrote: >> >> You can get a full Celeron 600 system for around $500..... >>Hello Mike.
The T-Birds and Durons need a good quality, powerfull power supply. Go for
at least 300 watts. More does'nt hurt; not enough does.
Robert
"Mike Barlow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I've been wanting to get a Athlon T-bird 1.0ghz. The only thing Idon't
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> know is.. what power supply to get? 250w? 275w? 300w? bigger? I went to > AMD's site and they have the CPU's listed with many different wattage > supplies. If I iknew what to get Power wise, I'd be all set. > > So.. What deturmins what wattage supply is needed? The CPU? The MB? > The combination of and including everything else? > > > Mick wrote in message <[email hidden]>... > >You must of missed my first post. The system I'm looking for a video > >card for is an AMD T-Bird 1GHz, KT7 RAID board, 256MB pc133 cas2, IBM > >75GXP 7200rpm ata/100, etc.. And I was hoping for a card that should run > >Nascar 4 smoothly for around 300 bucks. But I went ahead and got a PCI > >Voodoo3 3000 to use until Nascar4 comes out, and the video cards have > >been reviewed on the N4 sim itself.. Then I'll get a good AGP video card > >to finish off the box.. > > > >Regular Racer wrote: > >> > >> You can get a full Celeron 600 system for around $500..... > >> > >In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...
Don't get a 3dfx card - they're not making graphics cards anymore. Your
best bet is whatever the latest from nVidia is when N4 is released.
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> You must of missed my first post. The system I'm looking for a video > card for is an AMD T-Bird 1GHz, KT7 RAID board, 256MB pc133 cas2, IBM > 75GXP 7200rpm ata/100, etc.. And I was hoping for a card that should run > Nascar 4 smoothly for around 300 bucks. But I went ahead and got a PCI > Voodoo3 3000 to use until Nascar4 comes out, and the video cards have > been reviewed on the N4 sim itself.. Then I'll get a good AGP video card > to finish off the box.. > > Regular Racer wrote: > > > > You can get a full Celeron 600 system for around $500..... > > >On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:21:53 GMT, "Mike Barlow"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
It's more complicated than it appears at first sight, I'm afraid. The
Wattage doesn't mean an awful lot. There are six voltages generated in
the PSU ranging from -12V to 12V. And each one can handle a different
amount of current. The combined output on all four voltages("rails" as
they're called) of a 300W rated PSU can be as low as 115W!
The important voltage with regards to Athlon processors is the 3.3V(I
would guess) rail. The K7 processors draw an incredible amount of
current, up to 30-40A! At 1.6V then of course, but the MB voltage
regulators aren't 100% efficient either.
I would go with an explicitly "AMD-approved" PSU, either from the list
at amd.com or otherwise semi-"certified". If you want to take a shot
in the dark, go for at least 300W.
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