Re: GPL : What are your most difficult turns ?

T1 at Monza, online Erwan wrote: > For me, and without any hesitations, its: > - Chicane in Monaco > - Masta in Spa > > The "Chicane" in Monaco (after the tunnel) is certainly > the most difficult turn i have ever run. Whaaoouuh !! -- Rob Swindells ''

As far as Spa goes, I have a lot of trouble with Malmedy - so much so, in fact, that I'm usually quite relived to get to Masta! Stavelot for some reason I rarely have trouble with - I suppose I've just found a good setup for it. The Monaco chicane is nasty, naturally, but I think the one I dislike most elsewhere is the T1/T2 complex at Mexico. There's just no satisfaction at all in it, and it's incredibly easy to make a hash of. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

I would say the monaco chicane is the most exciting turn...but I would say one of the turns that is very difficult to get right is the 2nd right hander in La Carriere (spelling?) at spa. I want to hold all of my speed going into it, but the car always pushes off the track and up the banking. I always know I can slow down extra, but then the lap time suffers. So I would say that it is a turn that is difficult to get right...maybe not very scary but hard. Another toughy is the hairpin at rouen because of its braking zone. Jesse Black "Erwan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FOFM5.14123$[email hidden]...

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> For me, and without any hesitations, its: > - Chicane in Monaco > - Masta in Spa > > > The "Chicane" in Monaco (after the tunnel) is certainly > the most difficult turn i have ever run. Whaaoouuh !! > >

"Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EgGM5.4324$[email hidden]... > I would say the monaco chicane is the most exciting turn...but I would say > one of the turns that is very difficult to get right is the 2nd righthander > in La Carriere (spelling?) at spa. I want to hold all of my speed going > into it, but the car always pushes off the track and up the banking. I > always know I can slow down extra, but then the lap time suffers. So I > would say that it is a turn that is difficult to get right...maybe notvery > scary but hard. Another toughy is the hairpin at rouen because of its > braking zone. > > Jesse Black > I agree with you about Spa. I'd also add that I've always considered Stavelot to be a bigger hair raiser than Masta. You have to fling the car around a decreasing radius turn at the very outside edge of the tarmac at warp speed before you make your turn in if you want to carry any speed through it. Other tough turns. Yep, the hairpin at Rouen. Mostly because the braking zone is primarily curved. Very hard to get just right. T2 at Mosport. Turn in point just as the car gets light over the hill crest. Very dodgy and much slower than it looks like it should be. The whole damn 'ring. Kevin F. Gavitt

For me, and without any hesitations, its: - Chicane in Monaco - Masta in Spa The "Chicane" in Monaco (after the tunnel) is certainly the most difficult turn i have ever run. Whaaoouuh !!

Consider yourself lucky to even get to T1 at Monza, online. I can't count the number times I've been wiped out before I even get there (: "Rob Swindells" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> T1 at Monza, online > > Erwan wrote: > > > For me, and without any hesitations, its: > > - Chicane in Monaco > > - Masta in Spa > > > > The "Chicane" in Monaco (after the tunnel) is certainly > > the most difficult turn i have ever run. Whaaoouuh !! > > -- > Rob Swindells > '' > >

At this moment, every turn!!! I just bought last night, so maybe in a month are so, that'll change. Nick Erwan wrote: > For me, and without any hesitations, its: > - Chicane in Monaco > - Masta in Spa > > The "Chicane" in Monaco (after the tunnel) is certainly > the most difficult turn i have ever run. Whaaoouuh !!

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> As far as Spa goes, I have a lot of trouble with Malmedy - so much so, in > fact, that I'm usually quite relived to get to Masta! Stavelot for some > reason I rarely have trouble with - I suppose I've just found a good setup > for it. > > The Monaco chicane is nasty, naturally, but I think the one I dislike most > elsewhere is the T1/T2 complex at Mexico. There's just no satisfaction at > all in it, and it's incredibly easy to make a hash of. > > -- > David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) > The GPL Scrapyard - http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,

really" - > Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. Ah yes. Forgot about those. You hit it right on the nose, only backwards. It's so easy to make a hash of it, but if you nail it there is no particular satisfaction involved.

There have been some good suggestions here, which I agree with. I would also like to nominate Chapel (Silverstone). After two years of GPL I still don't have a consistent turn in point. On the positive side, that turn as taught me how to save a bad turn in. ;-)) Masta is a doddle IMO... there is pressure on it for sure as the consequences of a mistake are horrendous, but otherwise nothing to it. Jan. =--- Erwan wrote... > For me, and without any hesitations, its: > - Chicane in Monaco > - Masta in Spa

Ah yes, the chicane at Monaco... ...and just about every other turn I've ever encountered... -- ------------------------------------- Morgan Vincent Wooten GPLRank: +15.49 http://home.earthlink.net/~morganv00/ ------------------------------------- "Erwan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FOFM5.14123$[email hidden]... > For me, and without any hesitations, its: > - Chicane in Monaco > - Masta in Spa > > > The "Chicane" in Monaco (after the tunnel) is certainly > the most difficult turn i have ever run. Whaaoouuh !! > > >

1 I really hate that second right hander before the long hill at Spa - if you go wide it's game over up the mud bank , too slow and the whole straight is run too slow. 2 I get a bit nervy about the left hander before the hairpin at Rouen although I think I've cracked it. 3 St Mary's at Goodwood. Erwan <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FOFM5.14123$[email hidden]...

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> For me, and without any hesitations, its: > - Chicane in Monaco > - Masta in Spa > > > The "Chicane" in Monaco (after the tunnel) is certainly > the most difficult turn i have ever run. Whaaoouuh !! > >

Hi! The one turn @ Pants Ring is the toughest ;). Can't remember how many times I was too fast there and the car just blew off the track... Regards Crash

Don't look for a braking marker, look at where you want to stop braking rather than where you want to start... It's a bit of a leap of faith, but once you get used to it you won't "miss" your braking points for these sorts of turns anymore. Jan. =--- HainesLC wrote... > T1 at the Ring drives me crazy. There is nothing more brutal > in GPL than blowing a lap at the Ring by screwing up T1. I > can never tell when to start braking for that corner. > > Larry >

>- Masta in Spa Stavelot at Spa, Casino at Monaco and Big Bend at the Glen are the ones where I always fall off. -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

I have one turn at almost every track that gives me first (except Monza and Kyalami...i seem to have them down pretty good). But heres a list of the ones I get in troube on alot. Mexico: First turn, just like everyone else it seems. I just cant for the life of me get the braking right for this. Monaco: Surpisingly not the chicane (though thats a close second) but Tabac. I always seem to run wide here. Mosport: Turn 7 after the big hump at the end of Andretti straight. I end up off the track here alot it seems. the Ring: oh...pick any one of the 174 and ill prolly have trouble with it :) Rouen: that blasted hairpin!! I really like GPL-REV for this track cause i can run it backwards and make the hairpin much easier :) Spa: Masta and those two right hand "kinks" before the Blanchimont section. Silvetstone: Abbey. Ive taken out those poor marshals behind the haybales so many times theyre gonna start pressing charges... Watkins Glen: Big Bend...I run wide here alot...more so than the loop. Zandy: Oh lord...I screw up any number of places here. But the worst spot for me is the left-right bit between Tarzan and that hairpin behind the pits (hugenholtz i think). A couple other hair raisers are the first corner at brands (good lord im gonna kill myself I cant remember the name of it), the last turn at Road Atlanta, and that double switchback at Solitude after the looooong straight...Ive parked it on that hotels(?) front porch several times now... Chris

Look to your right as you thunder past start/finish at the ring... when you get to the last yellow block of advertising on the building, brake. That works (almost) everytime for me. Mikkel Ville V Sinkko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8u0k03$l9j$[email hidden]... > HainesLC <[email hidden]> wrote: > > T1 at the Ring drives me crazy. There is nothing more brutal in GPL than > > blowing a lap at the Ring by screwing up T1. I can never tell when tostart

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> > braking for that corner. > > Here's something that I guarantee works: Turn OFF track textures! You > end up with excellent brake marker lines right in the asphalt surface. > This is especially helpful at T1 in the 'Ring. > > (I'm not sure, though, whether this works with a 3D card installed because > I don't have one) > > +Cinquo [GPLrank 60.85]

I was going to mention T2 at mosport...but I came to turns with that turn early in my career...but I see many people flying off the track there. JB "Kevin Gavitt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4wGM5.129103$[email hidden]... > > "Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:EgGM5.4324$[email hidden]... > > I would say the monaco chicane is the most exciting turn...but I wouldsay

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> > one of the turns that is very difficult to get right is the 2nd right > hander > > in La Carriere (spelling?) at spa. I want to hold all of my speed going > > into it, but the car always pushes off the track and up the banking. I > > always know I can slow down extra, but then the lap time suffers. So I > > would say that it is a turn that is difficult to get right...maybe not > very > > scary but hard. Another toughy is the hairpin at rouen because of its > > braking zone. > > > > Jesse Black > > > > I agree with you about Spa. I'd also add that I've always considered > Stavelot to be a bigger hair raiser than Masta. You have to fling the car > around a decreasing radius turn at the very outside edge of the tarmac at > warp speed before you make your turn in if you want to carry any speed > through it. > > Other tough turns. Yep, the hairpin at Rouen. Mostly because the braking > zone is primarily curved. Very hard to get just right. > > T2 at Mosport. Turn in point just as the car gets light over the hill

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> Very dodgy and much slower than it looks like it should be. > > The whole damn 'ring. > > > Kevin F. Gavitt > >

The last turn at the Glen, not difficult, but I find it difficult to carry speed through. Makes a huge difference to lap-times as well. Same thing with the second Lesmo at Monza. The chicane at Monaco is just awful, i can only take it with a big lift. Plenty of corners I don't like at Monaco. I agree about T1 at Mexico, very tough to judge, probably because it's a rarely driven circuit. Also the approach to the hairpin at Rouen can be tricky. A circuit with only great turns - Zandvoort :) "Erwan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FOFM5.14123$[email hidden]...

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> For me, and without any hesitations, its: > - Chicane in Monaco > - Masta in Spa > > > The "Chicane" in Monaco (after the tunnel) is certainly > the most difficult turn i have ever run. Whaaoouuh !!

T1 at the Ring drives me crazy. There is nothing more brutal in GPL than blowing a lap at the Ring by screwing up T1. I can never tell when to start braking for that corner. Larry

Thats easy! Any turn at the end of a straight! dave henrie "Erwan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

even easier..ANY TURN!!

I have a lot... hehe Rouen: The Hairpin. I can NEVER brake correctly for that. Mexico: The first corner. I've never run that turn well. I can't find out how to keep the damn back end under me. Oh, and pretty much every other turn at this hellhole of a track sucks. :) Mosport: Turn 2 and the corner after the hump Monza: Parabolica. I can NEVER make it through there without getting "Surteesed" in the back or spinning off into the sand pit Spa: The two medium fast right hand bends about 3/4s the way through a lap. Always run wide... ----------------------------------------- Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited http://simcrash.00game.com

Dan Belcher <[email hidden]> wrote: > Spa: The two medium fast right hand bends about 3/4s the way through a lap. > Always run wide... Oh god, yes. I'm perfectly matching Dave Kaemmer's speed at Spa up until these turns, but at the finish line I'm three seconds behind him. I can never, EVER get them right. Others: The sadistic hairpin at Mosport. The sadistic hairpin at Rouen. The section of Monaco between the start and finish lines. Abbey at Silverstone - I just can't stay on the gray bit of the track there. +Cinquo

HainesLC <[email hidden]> wrote: > T1 at the Ring drives me crazy. There is nothing more brutal in GPL than > blowing a lap at the Ring by screwing up T1. I can never tell when to start > braking for that corner. Here's something that I guarantee works: Turn OFF track textures! You end up with excellent brake marker lines right in the asphalt surface. This is especially helpful at T1 in the 'Ring. (I'm not sure, though, whether this works with a 3D card installed because I don't have one) +Cinquo [GPLrank 60.85]

[email hidden] (Wosco) wrote: > I was going to mention T2 at mosport But that's one of the *best* corners! Getting that one right and coming out of it high in 4th is *so* satisfying... that I often forget to brake for the tight right hander ahead :-) Andrew McP

Turn 2 at Kyalami. *Why* can't I ever get near the apex? The last few turns before the long straight at the Nurburgring. Not that there's anything particularly taxing about them, but they come right at the point where my ability to concentrate withers away. The first Lesmo at Monza. You'd think I'd have gotten that one right by now, but no. The corner at the end of the straight that follows Eau Rouge and Radillon.. I don't know why. The first corner at Silverstone. Again, I don't know why. Half the corners at Monaco People often seem to mention Mexico as their least favorite track, but I've always loved it! Yeah, the first few turns suck, but the twisty esses part, along with the last corner, are sheer awesomeness. Pants

On Sat, 04 Nov 2000 19:02:20 GMT, "John" <[email hidden]> wrote: >1 I really hate that second right hander before the long hill at Spa - if >you go wide it's game over up the mud bank , too slow and the whole straight >is run too slow. Ah, yes my choice for the nastiest turn at Spa too. ('La Carriere', is it?) You just drift and drift, and one pixel of dirt on the outside tyre it's byebye. Tabac at Monaco, I've managed to slam it into the bars/concrete there more times than I'd like to count. The chicane before it I've never had that much trouble with, oddly enough.... The turn before Hangar straight at Silverstone, the turn-in is *damn* hard to get right... online half of all cars seems to run out on the grass... /Magnus GPLRank hcp: -22.71

In article <FOFM5.14123$[email hidden]>, Erwan <[email hidden]> writes

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>For me, and without any hesitations, its: >- Chicane in Monaco >- Masta in Spa > > >The "Chicane" in Monaco (after the tunnel) is certainly >the most difficult turn i have ever run. Whaaoouuh !! > >

That little turn, just after I've put it in gear and start to leave my pitbay. Can't say I've got as far as trying any of the proper ones yet. Only kidding of course. :) -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

"Pants" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8u1kns$21kn$[email hidden]... > > The last few turns before the long straight at the Nurburgring.Or the lefthander under the bridge after the straight..... If you know that you have made a good lap so far you have that looong straight to think about how to waste it this time. Play it safe and lose a lot of time all the way down to Tiergarten, or go for it and end up in the hedges!

T1 at Monza is an IQ test. Unfortunately, if there's one idiot in the race everybody flunks. "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Consider yourself lucky to even get to T1 at Monza, online. I can't count > the number times I've been wiped out before I even get there (: > > "Rob Swindells" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > T1 at Monza, online > > > > Erwan wrote: > > > > > For me, and without any hesitations, its: > > > - Chicane in Monaco > > > - Masta in Spa > > > > > > The "Chicane" in Monaco (after the tunnel) is certainly > > > the most difficult turn i have ever run. Whaaoouuh !! > > > > -- > > Rob Swindells > > '' > > > > > >

"John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:03ZM5.13326$[email hidden]... > 3 St Mary's at Goodwood. > That's the one! It's blind and it's like driving on the outside of an inverted tea-cup.

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>[email hidden] (Wosco) wrote: > >> I was going to mention T2 at mosport > >But that's one of the *best* corners! Getting that one right and coming >out of it high in 4th is *so* satisfying... that I often forget to brake >for the tight right hander ahead :-) > >Andrew McP

4th?!? Sheesh, I'm in 2nd, and nervous about THAT... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.12 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Sat, 4 Nov 2000 00:11:39 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >There have been some good suggestions here, which I agree with. I would also >like to nominate Chapel (Silverstone). After two years of GPL I still don't >have a consistent turn in point. On the positive side, that turn as taught >me how to save a bad turn in. ;-)) So I'm not the only one... as you can see on my GPLRank, those left-handers at Silverstone cause me trouble everytime too... 1 out of ten times I take Chapel ok, yet everytime the turn-in point seems like a wild guess... Andre

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>Masta is a doddle IMO... there is pressure on it for sure as the >consequences of a mistake are horrendous, but otherwise nothing to it. > >Jan. >=--- >Erwan wrote... >> For me, and without any hesitations, its: >> - Chicane in Monaco >> - Masta in Spa > >

In article <3a0771e2$[email hidden]>, "Scott Spahr" <[email hidden]> writes: >T1 at Monza is an IQ test. Unfortunately, if there's one idiot in the race >everybody flunks. > Hehe... That's the problem - there's always one idiot in each class...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.12 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

-- Dan Belcher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have a lot... hehe > > Spa: The two medium fast right hand bends about 3/4s the way through a lap. > Always run wide... > Those two, especially the second, are quite infuriating! From the circuit map and when you are actually driving towards them they both look quite easy and simple, unfortunatly quite the opposite is true. Chris

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> > > -- > > Dan Belcher <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I have a lot... hehe > > > > Spa: The two medium fast right hand bends about 3/4s the way through a > lap. > > Always run wide... > > > > Those two, especially the second, are quite infuriating! From the circuit > map and when you are actually driving towards them they both look quite

easy > and simple, unfortunatly quite the opposite is true. > > Chris That's because you just *know* that if you could carry just a little bit more speed through there, the lap is going to be SO good. Of course, if you do get both of them spot on, just kicking up dust from the right side tires at the apex, you KNOW you're going to run wide at Blanchimont...................... Rick

Perhaps the test should be graded on a curve? :) -------------- Doug "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <3a0771e2$[email hidden]>, "Scott Spahr"<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >T1 at Monza is an IQ test. Unfortunately, if there's one idiot in therace

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> >everybody flunks. > > > > Hehe... > That's the problem - there's always one idiot in each class...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +49.12 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <D7tO5.1819$[email hidden]>, "Doug Olsen" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Perhaps the test should be graded on a curve? :) >-------------- >Doug > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> In article <3a0771e2$[email hidden]>, "Scott Spahr" ><[email hidden]> >> writes: >> >> >T1 at Monza is an IQ test. Unfortunately, if there's one idiot in the >race >> >everybody flunks. >> > >> >> Hehe... >> That's the problem - there's always one idiot in each class...<g> >>

Walk *that* one off, Doug...<groan> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.12 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.