Hasbro's Answer about Heat Problems.. What a Joke!

Did anyone see the post on Hasbro's board where someone just asked a simple question "Why was Nascar heat released the way it was, with uplayable yellow flags (laps lasting forever, cars ramming you). Even with the patch there are still numerous problems. Anyway, Dan from Hasbro answered by saying "None of the problems were seen in testing" Excuse me? Anyone who bought this game saw them within 10 minutes of playing. Then he defends the Beta Testers by saying that everone makes mistakes. The game was released unfinished and Hasbro knew it. They just wanted to get the game out by the end of Nascar season and beat Nascar 4 to market (Which at the time was sceduled for a November release) And Hasbro, when using Beta Testers, don't use the same testers who test Frogger 1 and 2 for you. Look for real Beta Testers who know a little about racing sims. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Too right... you need a team that forces a re-write if need be! ;-) Jan. =--- <[email hidden]> wrote...

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> <rather shocking info snipped> > And Hasbro, when using Beta Testers, don't use the same testers > who test Frogger 1 and 2 for you. Look for real Beta Testers who > know a little about racing sims. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

If the market found these problems within ten minutes of opening the box, what's the point of hiring "real beta testers"? Seems to me that it wouldn't be necessary to know anymore than how to load a CD. What's a "real Beta Tester" anyway...a real beta version of a tester, one who tests real betas or ...what? -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8tj6ls$t60$[email hidden]... > Excuse me? Anyone who bought this game saw them within 10 minutes of > playing. > Then he defends the Beta Testers by saying that everone makes > mistakes. > Look for real Beta Testers who know a > little about racing sims.

Matt, Exactly what is the point of asking people in this forum if they read a thread in the NASCAR Heat forum? Last time I checked, rec.autos.sims folks were here and NASCAR Heat forum folks were there. Sure, a lot of people read both by why would you expect commentary in this forum for things talked about in another forum? Perhaps we should start posting here in RAS about things in all the other news groups? <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8tj6ls$t60$[email hidden]...

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> Did anyone see the post on Hasbro's board where someone just asked a > simple question "Why was Nascar heat released the way it was, with > uplayable yellow flags (laps lasting forever, cars ramming you). Even > with the patch there are still numerous problems. > Anyway, Dan from Hasbro answered by saying "None of the problems were > seen in testing" > Excuse me? Anyone who bought this game saw them within 10 minutes of > playing. > Then he defends the Beta Testers by saying that everone makes > mistakes. > The game was released unfinished and Hasbro knew it. They just > wanted to get the game out by the end of Nascar season and beat Nascar > 4 to market (Which at the time was sceduled for a November release) > And Hasbro, when using Beta Testers, don't use the same testers who > test Frogger 1 and 2 for you. Look for real Beta Testers who know a > little about racing sims. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Thats what RASF1 is for isn't it? :-) Chris -- Vote in the Grand Prix Legends 2 Poll at Simbok Racing www.geocities.com/simbokza Remove _your_clothes before replying "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6ZgL5.1135$[email hidden]... > Matt, > Sure, a lot of people > read both by why would you expect commentary in this forum for things talked > about in another forum? Perhaps we should start posting here in RAS about > things in all the other news groups? > >

I think that most of the testing was done to see what would make the game crash, not necessarily for how 'Nascar correct' it was or how it played. Then when they announced a patch, some of the problems that still exist weren't mentioned (at least not much) by people in this news group. Maybe that's because bigger issues masked the smaller ones, but the patch did fix many of the things that were complained about the most. Even after the patch was released, nobody complained about the existing problems for 3 or 4 days. Not even the hard core simmers in here. There are still some things that we'd all (including me) like to see fixed, but I can see how things are missed in testing. MS released 98SE and it wouldn't even shut down normally. Does that mean that their testers never turned off their computers? Probably. They could have just run 98SE until it crashed, never actually shutting it down. (It's the only guess I have ;) I'd guess that the impending sale of Hasbro's game division has Ed and some of the other guys a little on edge. Perhaps some friendlier persuasion would help get another patch released. If we want to scream at someone, point it at Hasbro's board of directors. I think it's too bad that the competitive nature of the software industry forces companies to release products before they're perfect, but it seems to be the way things will continue. It is, and has to be, about profit. That means getting your product to market first, timing it for when the market will be hot, then targeting the largest audience. It's not competing with GPL, it's competing with N3, NFS:PU and arcade games. Most consumers (not in here) are on a game budget. They'll either buy NH or a different game, but probably not both. The profit motive brings us games we want, like GP3 and NH. It also brings them to us in an imperfect state. Just my opinion, gents. -- Slot Tweaks & Reviews www.slottweak.com PS I've found that staying low on the track during yellows while I'm finding my place in line, and staying high when I'm in line, helps to minimize the rear-ending I receive. In other words, let the cars that should be in front of me pass me on the high side. It helps some. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8tj6ls$t60$[email hidden]... > Did anyone see the post on Hasbro's board where someone just asked a > simple question "Why was Nascar heat released the way it was, with > uplayable yellow flags (laps lasting forever, cars ramming you). Even > with the patch there are still numerous problems. > Anyway, Dan from Hasbro answered by saying "None of the problems were > seen in testing" > Excuse me? Anyone who bought this game saw them within 10 minutes of > playing. > Then he defends the Beta Testers by saying that everone makes > mistakes. > The game was released unfinished and Hasbro knew it. They just > wanted to get the game out by the end of Nascar season and beat Nascar > 4 to market (Which at the time was sceduled for a November release) > And Hasbro, when using Beta Testers, don't use the same testers who > test Frogger 1 and 2 for you. Look for real Beta Testers who know a > little about racing sims. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

> Exactly what is the point of asking people in this forum if they read a > thread in the NASCAR Heat forum? Last time I checked, rec.autos.simsfolks > were here and NASCAR Heat forum folks were there Last time I checked this was : Rec auto Simulators, but then again Nascar Heat in its present state would not qualify to be subject matter of the newsgroup.

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> > Matt, > > Exactly what is the point of asking people in this forum if they read a > thread in the NASCAR Heat forum? Last time I checked, rec.autos.sims folks > were here and NASCAR Heat forum folks were there. Sure, a lot of people > read both by why would you expect commentary in this forum for things talked > about in another forum?

Then what exactly are you doing here Ed ???? He posted about Heat and you replied. If it's not necessary to post about heat here then I ask again what are you doing here. I haven't posted anything about Heat since I took it back and got my refund, but If I were to post it somewhere it would be on topic here. I see nothing wrong with posting info from one forum to the next if it's on topic. I believe that you once again didn't like the way Hasbro is being portrayed and you once again in desperation are trying to defend the BS Hasbro pulled on us. This time it appears to be with a cheap shot at the original poster for posting something from one forum to another. IT'S ON TOPIC if you don't like people reading negatively into your post over there then one word for ya "Proofread" , Your reply is so silly it's pathetic.

I had hopes for Heat, and was sorely dissappointed fairly quickly after I got it. Then I held on for the patch, and when it didn't fix the ai problems, I gave up on it. I really wanted to run a season with it, but after getting creamed over halfway into a race by the ai, I decided it wasn't worth the hassle. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends ICQ# 74084566 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8tj6ls$t60$[email hidden]... > Did anyone see the post on Hasbro's board where someone just asked a > simple question "Why was Nascar heat released the way it was, with > uplayable yellow flags (laps lasting forever, cars ramming you). Even > with the patch there are still numerous problems. > Anyway, Dan from Hasbro answered by saying "None of the problems were > seen in testing" > Excuse me? Anyone who bought this game saw them within 10 minutes of > playing. > Then he defends the Beta Testers by saying that everone makes > mistakes. > The game was released unfinished and Hasbro knew it. They just > wanted to get the game out by the end of Nascar season and beat Nascar > 4 to market (Which at the time was sceduled for a November release) > And Hasbro, when using Beta Testers, don't use the same testers who > test Frogger 1 and 2 for you. Look for real Beta Testers who know a > little about racing sims. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

I'm sorry Ed, but that was a stupid reply. This is a racing newsgroup, and he was discussing an issue that came up elsewhere. I look at you in a different light now. :( "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6ZgL5.1135$[email hidden]... > Matt, > > Exactly what is the point of asking people in this forum if they read a > thread in the NASCAR Heat forum? Last time I checked, rec.autos.simsfolks > were here and NASCAR Heat forum folks were there. Sure, a lot of people > read both by why would you expect commentary in this forum for thingstalked > about in another forum? Perhaps we should start posting here in RAS about > things in all the other news groups? > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:8tj6ls$t60$[email hidden]...

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> > Did anyone see the post on Hasbro's board where someone just asked a > > simple question "Why was Nascar heat released the way it was, with > > uplayable yellow flags (laps lasting forever, cars ramming you). Even > > with the patch there are still numerous problems. > > Anyway, Dan from Hasbro answered by saying "None of the problems were > > seen in testing" > > Excuse me? Anyone who bought this game saw them within 10 minutes of > > playing. > > Then he defends the Beta Testers by saying that everone makes > > mistakes. > > The game was released unfinished and Hasbro knew it. They just > > wanted to get the game out by the end of Nascar season and beat Nascar > > 4 to market (Which at the time was sceduled for a November release) > > And Hasbro, when using Beta Testers, don't use the same testers who > > test Frogger 1 and 2 for you. Look for real Beta Testers who know a > > little about racing sims. > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

Wow Ed. Just wow. Very poor reply. "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6ZgL5.1135$[email hidden]... > Matt, > > Exactly what is the point of asking people in this forum if they read a > thread in the NASCAR Heat forum? Last time I checked, rec.autos.simsfolks > were here and NASCAR Heat forum folks were there. Sure, a lot of people > read both by why would you expect commentary in this forum for thingstalked > about in another forum? Perhaps we should start posting here in RAS about > things in all the other news groups? > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:8tj6ls$t60$[email hidden]...

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> > Did anyone see the post on Hasbro's board where someone just asked a > > simple question "Why was Nascar heat released the way it was, with > > uplayable yellow flags (laps lasting forever, cars ramming you). Even > > with the patch there are still numerous problems. > > Anyway, Dan from Hasbro answered by saying "None of the problems were > > seen in testing" > > Excuse me? Anyone who bought this game saw them within 10 minutes of > > playing. > > Then he defends the Beta Testers by saying that everone makes > > mistakes. > > The game was released unfinished and Hasbro knew it. They just > > wanted to get the game out by the end of Nascar season and beat Nascar > > 4 to market (Which at the time was sceduled for a November release) > > And Hasbro, when using Beta Testers, don't use the same testers who > > test Frogger 1 and 2 for you. Look for real Beta Testers who know a > > little about racing sims. > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

You're right Ed, Nascar Heat DEFINATELY should not be discussed in a simulator newsgroup. Does rec.autos.arcade even exist yet? By the way Ed, that was a shitty way to reply.....in case you havn't been able to tell that yet. This is a racing newsgroup, it belongs here as much as GPL, Nascar 3, GP3, or any other racing game. "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6ZgL5.1135$[email hidden]... > Matt, > > Exactly what is the point of asking people in this forum if they read a > thread in the NASCAR Heat forum? Last time I checked, rec.autos.simsfolks > were here and NASCAR Heat forum folks were there. Sure, a lot of people > read both by why would you expect commentary in this forum for thingstalked > about in another forum? Perhaps we should start posting here in RAS about > things in all the other news groups? > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:8tj6ls$t60$[email hidden]...

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> > Did anyone see the post on Hasbro's board where someone just asked a > > simple question "Why was Nascar heat released the way it was, with > > uplayable yellow flags (laps lasting forever, cars ramming you). Even > > with the patch there are still numerous problems. > > Anyway, Dan from Hasbro answered by saying "None of the problems were > > seen in testing" > > Excuse me? Anyone who bought this game saw them within 10 minutes of > > playing. > > Then he defends the Beta Testers by saying that everone makes > > mistakes. > > The game was released unfinished and Hasbro knew it. They just > > wanted to get the game out by the end of Nascar season and beat Nascar > > 4 to market (Which at the time was sceduled for a November release) > > And Hasbro, when using Beta Testers, don't use the same testers who > > test Frogger 1 and 2 for you. Look for real Beta Testers who know a > > little about racing sims. > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

You're right Ed, maybe we shoud start bringing items from other forums to here. I'll be right back with some news from the "comp.hasbro-employees.ed.martin.is.an.a-hole" newsgroup as soon as possible! "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6ZgL5.1135$[email hidden]... > Matt, > > Exactly what is the point of asking people in this forum if they read a > thread in the NASCAR Heat forum? Last time I checked, rec.autos.simsfolks > were here and NASCAR Heat forum folks were there. Sure, a lot of people > read both by why would you expect commentary in this forum for thingstalked > about in another forum? Perhaps we should start posting here in RAS about > things in all the other news groups? > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:8tj6ls$t60$[email hidden]...

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> > Did anyone see the post on Hasbro's board where someone just asked a > > simple question "Why was Nascar heat released the way it was, with > > uplayable yellow flags (laps lasting forever, cars ramming you). Even > > with the patch there are still numerous problems. > > Anyway, Dan from Hasbro answered by saying "None of the problems were > > seen in testing" > > Excuse me? Anyone who bought this game saw them within 10 minutes of > > playing. > > Then he defends the Beta Testers by saying that everone makes > > mistakes. > > The game was released unfinished and Hasbro knew it. They just > > wanted to get the game out by the end of Nascar season and beat Nascar > > 4 to market (Which at the time was sceduled for a November release) > > And Hasbro, when using Beta Testers, don't use the same testers who > > test Frogger 1 and 2 for you. Look for real Beta Testers who know a > > little about racing sims. > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:30:53 -0500, "Scott S." <[email hidden]> proceedeth to postulate: >Wow Ed. Just wow. >Very poor reply. I agree.. Seems Old Ed is getting a little edgy.. Maybe after Christmas Hasbro will be making MORE layoffs and "budget cuts" I mean, they do it SO well. Squirming yet Hasbro? Good

I kept it, and its pretty much shelved now due to the AI problems and some of the arcade stunts. Been playing Crimson Skies to kill time to N4 although another NH patch suppose to be in the making.......yawn.... :)

Don't concern yourself too much with the whiners in r.a.s. They end up insulting and driving away every developer that comes here with good intentions. David G Fisher "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6ZgL5.1135$[email hidden]... > Matt, > > Exactly what is the point of asking people in this forum if they read a > thread in the NASCAR Heat forum? Last time I checked, rec.autos.simsfolks > were here and NASCAR Heat forum folks were there. Sure, a lot of people > read both by why would you expect commentary in this forum for thingstalked > about in another forum? Perhaps we should start posting here in RAS about > things in all the other news groups? > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:8tj6ls$t60$[email hidden]...

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> > Did anyone see the post on Hasbro's board where someone just asked a > > simple question "Why was Nascar heat released the way it was, with > > uplayable yellow flags (laps lasting forever, cars ramming you). Even > > with the patch there are still numerous problems. > > Anyway, Dan from Hasbro answered by saying "None of the problems were > > seen in testing" > > Excuse me? Anyone who bought this game saw them within 10 minutes of > > playing. > > Then he defends the Beta Testers by saying that everone makes > > mistakes. > > The game was released unfinished and Hasbro knew it. They just > > wanted to get the game out by the end of Nascar season and beat Nascar > > 4 to market (Which at the time was sceduled for a November release) > > And Hasbro, when using Beta Testers, don't use the same testers who > > test Frogger 1 and 2 for you. Look for real Beta Testers who know a > > little about racing sims. > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

Well, I thought you were a pretty straight-up guy, Ed, but this non-reply seems to indicate otherwise. You've been posting in RAS for months, specifically on the subject of NH, so why should the post to which you refer be some sort of surprise to you? And I'm not slamming you either, but I'd certainly also like to know the answer to Dave Henrie's question: "...is it true your beta testers missed the yellow flag and pit problems?" If it's true, then you need some beta testers who understand NASCAR; if it's not true, then you've got much bigger problems than that. These caution and pit glitches that people have been asking about ever since the release of NH aren't nitpicks -- they're important to the play of the game, if the game is to be taken seriously. Greg Barnett made an excellent point as well, when he asked, in response to your question: Ed Martin: "Exactly what is the point of asking people in this forum if they read a thread in the NASCAR Heat forum?" G. Barnett: " Then what exactly are you doing here Ed? He posted about Heat and you replied." You can't have it both ways: if you're going to maintain a presence in the newsgroup, you're going to get questions about your product -- isn't that the point? Or is the point to make it *look* like Hasbro actually cares about the people who buy their product, without having the hassle of actually making the product work like it *ought* to work? Call me crazy... Ed Martin wrote: > > Matt, > > Exactly what is the point of asking people in this forum if they read a > thread in the NASCAR Heat forum?�

David G Fisher wrote: > > Don't concern yourself too much... Save it, Dave -- I hear Hasbro's in a hiring freeze...

>"Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote > If it's true, then you need some beta testers who understand NASCAR Looking at the beta testers, I think that's a given deal. -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- ok ok ok it's a joke don't jump and attack me now! ;)

Heat is not an arcade racing sim. It is by far the best racing sim on the market, even despite it's issues with the AI. Give Hasbro (specifically Ed) a break and let them fix these issues. You people are like a bunch of blood thirsty freaks or something. Geesh.... -<+>-You're right Ed, Nascar Heat DEFINATELY should not be discussed in a -<+>-simulator newsgroup. Does rec.autos.arcade even exist yet? -<+>-By the way Ed, that was a shitty way to reply.....in case you havn't been -<+>-able to tell that yet. This is a racing newsgroup, it belongs here as much -<+>-as GPL, Nascar 3, GP3, or any other racing game. Thanks, Mike Alexander ([email hidden]) Torch Red 1986 C4 "ITIS4FN" Pictures available at http://alexander.dyndns.org My 2nd Baby!!! (Note:remove the no_tickets. to send email)

Poor babies. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe if developers/publishers would learn to put out a "working" as advertised or promised mainly "bug free" fugging game for once..just ONCE.. before they get our fugging money we would be warm and fuzzy to the poor little emotionally fragile developers. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zgrL5.79277$[email hidden]...

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> Don't concern yourself too much with the whiners in r.a.s. They end up > insulting and driving away every developer that comes here with good > intentions. > > David G Fisher > > "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6ZgL5.1135$[email hidden]... > > Matt, > > > > Exactly what is the point of asking people in this forum if they read a > > thread in the NASCAR Heat forum? Last time I checked, rec.autos.sims > folks > > were here and NASCAR Heat forum folks were there. Sure, a lot of people > > read both by why would you expect commentary in this forum for things > talked > > about in another forum? Perhaps we should start posting here in RAS

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> > things in all the other news groups? > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8tj6ls$t60$[email hidden]... > > > Did anyone see the post on Hasbro's board where someone just asked a > > > simple question "Why was Nascar heat released the way it was, with > > > uplayable yellow flags (laps lasting forever, cars ramming you). Even > > > with the patch there are still numerous problems. > > > Anyway, Dan from Hasbro answered by saying "None of the problems

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> > > playing. > > > Then he defends the Beta Testers by saying that everone makes > > > mistakes. > > > The game was released unfinished and Hasbro knew it. They just > > > wanted to get the game out by the end of Nascar season and beat Nascar > > > 4 to market (Which at the time was sceduled for a November release) > > > And Hasbro, when using Beta Testers, don't use the same testers who > > > test Frogger 1 and 2 for you. Look for real Beta Testers who know a > > > little about racing sims. > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > >

Ahem... Nascar Heat has the best vehicle dynamics in Nascar sims at the moment. I wouldn't go any further than that. I don't think it's too much to ask of a racing sim to be able to actually race it and Ed voluntarily put himself in the line of fire. If he's unable to distance himself sufficiently and not just gain feedback for the development team from the posts that's his own doing. Jan. =--- Red 86 Vet wrote...

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> Heat is not an arcade racing sim. It is by far the best racing sim on > the market, even despite it's issues with the AI. Give Hasbro > (specifically Ed) a break and let them fix these issues. You people > are like a bunch of blood thirsty freaks or something. Geesh.... > > Thanks, > > Mike Alexander ([email hidden]) > Torch Red 1986 C4 "ITIS4FN" > Pictures available at http://alexander.dyndns.org > My 2nd Baby!!! > > (Note:remove the no_tickets. to send email)

Where? Here or there? -- BK. --------------------------- Duff <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > How many times are we going to here the gamer's rant

Well, neither's 50% of the stuff here anyway, so what's your beef? -- BK. --------------------------- Wallace <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iLmL5.3078$[email hidden]... > Last time I checked this was : Rec auto Simulators, but then > again Nascar Heat in its present state would not qualify to > be subject matter of the newsgroup. > >

And your little essay is so badly put together that it would rate a D- in kindergarten. Ed Martin is one of the few, VERY few, company reps who have at least had the intestinal fortitude to stick around in RAS in spite of (or perhaps because of) uneducated vitriol from posters such as yourself. Consider THAT point the next time you have a beef about any of your computer games. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Gregg Barnett <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Your reply is so silly it's pathetic.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:51:16 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Ahem... Nascar Heat has the best vehicle dynamics in Nascar sims at the >moment. I wouldn't go any further than that. Ok, I will re-phrase my posting... Nascar the best Nascar racing sim with graphics which are second to none. The physics in heat are awesome, and the racing AI is wonderful. Granted the AI has some problems during cautions, but to extend the AI problems beyond that is just an exageration of the facts. Nascar Heat is very playable as it sits, one must overlook some small issues. I have played Heat almost every day since is was released, and I enjoy it as much now, or possibly more, than the first time I played it. >I don't think it's too much to ask of a racing sim to be able to actually >race it and Ed voluntarily put himself in the line of fire. If he's unable >to distance himself sufficiently and not just gain feedback for the >development team from the posts that's his own doing. No Comment.

That might have been me. I was banned from the NH group for a very similar post. On going cautions and wrecks at the end of pit road. There was even a few occasions where I had to wait til the pack passed to go back on the track. Got lapped in the process...all on a 20 second pitstop...and besides that the last 30 laps at TMS went under the caution...sucks! <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8tj6ls$t60$[email hidden]...

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> Did anyone see the post on Hasbro's board where someone just asked a > simple question "Why was Nascar heat released the way it was, with > uplayable yellow flags (laps lasting forever, cars ramming you). Even > with the patch there are still numerous problems. > Anyway, Dan from Hasbro answered by saying "None of the problems were > seen in testing" > Excuse me? Anyone who bought this game saw them within 10 minutes of > playing. > Then he defends the Beta Testers by saying that everone makes > mistakes. > The game was released unfinished and Hasbro knew it. They just > wanted to get the game out by the end of Nascar season and beat Nascar > 4 to market (Which at the time was sceduled for a November release) > And Hasbro, when using Beta Testers, don't use the same testers who > test Frogger 1 and 2 for you. Look for real Beta Testers who know a > little about racing sims. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

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The reason for posting here is because you can say what you want and not get it deleted... Ed Martin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6ZgL5.1135$[email hidden]... > Matt, > > Exactly what is the point of asking people in this forum if they read a > thread in the NASCAR Heat forum? Last time I checked, rec.autos.simsfolks > were here and NASCAR Heat forum folks were there. Sure, a lot of people > read both by why would you expect commentary in this forum for thingstalked > about in another forum? Perhaps we should start posting here in RAS about > things in all the other news groups? > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:8tj6ls$t60$[email hidden]...

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> > Did anyone see the post on Hasbro's board where someone just asked a > > simple question "Why was Nascar heat released the way it was, with > > uplayable yellow flags (laps lasting forever, cars ramming you). Even > > with the patch there are still numerous problems. > > Anyway, Dan from Hasbro answered by saying "None of the problems were > > seen in testing" > > Excuse me? Anyone who bought this game saw them within 10 minutes of > > playing. > > Then he defends the Beta Testers by saying that everone makes > > mistakes. > > The game was released unfinished and Hasbro knew it. They just > > wanted to get the game out by the end of Nascar season and beat Nascar > > 4 to market (Which at the time was sceduled for a November release) > > And Hasbro, when using Beta Testers, don't use the same testers who > > test Frogger 1 and 2 for you. Look for real Beta Testers who know a > > little about racing sims. > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

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So he still did a 180 in his post. Griping about posting here while posting here... Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> games. > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Gregg Barnett <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Your reply is so silly it's pathetic. > >

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Thats is good, you will neve have to worry about ticking of Ed. Red 86 Vet <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:51:16 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Ahem... Nascar Heat has the best vehicle dynamics in Nascar sims at the > >moment. I wouldn't go any further than that. > > Ok, I will re-phrase my posting... Nascar the best Nascar racing sim > with graphics which are second to none. The physics in heat are > awesome, and the racing AI is wonderful. Granted the AI has some > problems during cautions, but to extend the AI problems beyond that is > just an exageration of the facts. Nascar Heat is very playable as it > sits, one must overlook some small issues. I have played Heat almost > every day since is was released, and I enjoy it as much now, or > possibly more, than the first time I played it. > > >I don't think it's too much to ask of a racing sim to be able to actually > >race it and Ed voluntarily put himself in the line of fire. If he's

unable > >to distance himself sufficiently and not just gain feedback for the > >development team from the posts that's his own doing. > > > No Comment. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

ymenard wrote: > > >"Barton Brown" wrote > > If it's true, then you need some beta testers who understand NASCAR > > Looking at the beta testers, I think that's a given deal. A given deal that the beta testers understood NASCAR or a given deal that Hasbro needs some? If Hasbro's beta testers for NH were even remotely familiar with the real world of NASCAR (or most other racing, for that matter), one would have to opine that they overlooked some fairly glaring "unrealities" in the game, or that they made their observations of these problems known to Hasbro, which chose to ignore them to get the game out the door ahead of the thought-to-be-imminent N4. Again, if *any* of these conjectures are correct, it doesn't put Hasbro in a very flattering light.

Red 86 Vet wrote: > > Give Hasbro (specifically Ed) a break and let them fix these issues. It would be nice to hear Hasbro publicly admit that these "issues" even exist. As for giving Ed a break, I think Ed has been treated very well, except for the unavoidable lunatic fringe to be found in any NG. Frankly, his little diatribe/reply was unprofessional and counterproductive to the discussion at hand.

Very true. And that I don't defend. However, it never ceases to amaze me that people who bitch about a product do so in such a manner that it either drives the company representative away immediately or causes such a reaction that, inevitably, the company rep throws his arms up in despair and is never heard from again. I have no time for people who seem to think that verbal abuse gets results when they have a perceived problem. The only result they end up with is total rejection from the abused. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- THop <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > So he still did a 180 in his post. Griping about posting here while posting > here... >

And *you* chipped Dan about spelling?!! -- BK. --------------------------- THop <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Thats is good, you will neve have to worry about ticking of Ed.

If Ed came on here and said " I am sorry we released this product the way it was. It was a business decision. We were wrong. We will try to fix our product with patches as soon as possible." I would then have some respect for him. Instead he defends his beta testers and pretends they were unaware of the problems. I don't buy it. -- Kevin Anderson [email hidden] "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:39ff2e30$[email hidden]... > Very true. And that I don't defend. > > However, it never ceases to amaze me that people who bitch about a product > do so in such a manner that it either drives the company representative away > immediately or causes such a reaction that, inevitably, the company rep > throws his arms up in despair and is never heard from again. > > I have no time for people who seem to think that verbal abuse gets results > when they have a perceived problem. The only result they end up with is > total rejection from the abused. > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > THop <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > So he still did a 180 in his post. Griping about posting here while > posting > > here... > > > > >

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > And your little essay is so badly put together that it would rate a D- in > kindergarten. > estinal fortitude to stick around in RAS in spite of (or perhaps > because of) uneducated vitriol from posters such as yourself. > What the fuck are you a Kindergaten teacher ? That wasnt meant to be an essay, BTW I wasnt aware that NG postings had to be so formal. If you have a problem with it Dickhead then Go fuck yourself, Oh sorry too informal. Go Fornicate yourself!!!!! Dickheads like you that take an english course here and there always wanna be the grammar police. Get a life you " FUCKING " <<<< Slang Idiot.

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> Did anyone see the post on Hasbro's board where someone just asked a >simple question "Why was Nascar heat released the way it was, with >uplayable yellow flags (laps lasting forever, cars ramming you). Even >with the patch there are still numerous problems. > Anyway, Dan from Hasbro answered by saying "None of the problems were >seen in testing" > Excuse me? Anyone who bought this game saw them within 10 minutes of >playing. > Then he defends the Beta Testers by saying that everone makes >mistakes. > The game was released unfinished and Hasbro knew it. They just >wanted to get the game out by the end of Nascar season and beat Nascar >4 to market (Which at the time was sceduled for a November release) > And Hasbro, when using Beta Testers, don't use the same testers who >test Frogger 1 and 2 for you. Look for real Beta Testers who know a >little about racing sims. > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy.

You people are un-fucking-believable. What do you want? No developers creating sims? (Except your precious Papyrus, of course. They can do no wrong.) Fucking sad. You get deleted on some other forum so you go to cry about it on ras. Just get back to posting about your whoopidy-shit personal best at the 'ring, like anyone cares. Bleh.

Well, like it or not, Bruce *is* the officially appointed grammar police around here, so you've just insulted a police officer in uniform... The prosecution demands 2 months of playing SOS1937 for you... bail is set a two favourable postings about DTRSC. Jan. <g> =--- Gregg Barnett wrote... > <offensive drivel snipped>

Oops...bad reply, Ed. But you seem like a straight-up guy, so I'll assume you are just having a bad day. We all do sometimes. Discussion of NH on this NG dropped-off dramatically when the Hasbro board went up and posts were responded to fairly and openly. Anticipation of the patch created a lot of excitement on the board. Since the patch was released, the official replies have been guarded and much less forthcoming. There are still glaring problems with the non-computer controlled pitting sequences (as though it was assumed no one would actually use this option) and yellow flag/caution situations. People, with varying approaches from polite to downright rude and outrageous, have largely wanted to know one thing: are these issues being fixed (in a second patch) and if so, when (approximately) will it be ready? The 180 degree about face from the open and up-front acknowledgement of issues and daily updates preceding the release of the patch have been replaced with vague, non-committal statements that have yet to confirm that these issues will be fixed. I think the task at hand is simple. Revert back to your original approach and tell the truth. Either Hasbro/MGI is fixing this stuff or it isn't. If you are not, you're going to get a shit kicking in this group and I am not sure if it makes a great deal of difference whether that happens now or later. It may be worse if it happens later, because people may have invested more time into a title that you cannot race a season or do a championship with...which is of interest to most in this NG. If you are fixing them, but it may take a while, then say so to shut up the people who are speculating that you are not. If you aren't sure how well it will come out, but you are going to give it your best efforts, then say so. NH has merits that make it worth a purchase. It drives me insane to think that developers do 90% of the work to make a great tile and then drop the ball on the last 10%--the part that gives a title the lasting appeal). Compare GPL and CART:Precision Racing if you need to see the two approaches. With all of its inferior physics and graphics, N3 is a better racing game over the long haul because you don't get abused by the AI and they don't seem to have an unfair advantage over you, the human player. If NH had the same qualities, with it's superior graphics and physics, it would be a total success. I hate to say this, but I am 95% sure N4 will have the game play qualities that make a long-term winner. It will also have physics at least as good as NH and likely better. The graphics are likely to be a bit inferior, but at the end of the day no one will remember that...they'll only remember which title gave the white knuckle racing fun (which NH has in the Beat the Heat segments). It's up to you to make sure NH can do more than Beat the Heat segments well. I hope you can deliver as I will be severely disappointed if NH gets treated like CART:PR did...left to tease with it's great potential, but unable to deliver. Thanks, Marc. "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6ZgL5.1135$[email hidden]... > Matt, > > Exactly what is the point of asking people in this forum if they read a > thread in the NASCAR Heat forum? Last time I checked, rec.autos.simsfolks > were here and NASCAR Heat forum folks were there. Sure, a lot of people > read both by why would you expect commentary in this forum for thingstalked > about in another forum? Perhaps we should start posting here in RAS about > things in all the other news groups? > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:8tj6ls$t60$[email hidden]...

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> > Did anyone see the post on Hasbro's board where someone just asked a > > simple question "Why was Nascar heat released the way it was, with > > uplayable yellow flags (laps lasting forever, cars ramming you). Even > > with the patch there are still numerous problems. > > Anyway, Dan from Hasbro answered by saying "None of the problems were > > seen in testing" > > Excuse me? Anyone who bought this game saw them within 10 minutes of > > playing. > > Then he defends the Beta Testers by saying that everone makes > > mistakes. > > The game was released unfinished and Hasbro knew it. They just > > wanted to get the game out by the end of Nascar season and beat Nascar > > 4 to market (Which at the time was sceduled for a November release) > > And Hasbro, when using Beta Testers, don't use the same testers who > > test Frogger 1 and 2 for you. Look for real Beta Testers who know a > > little about racing sims. > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

Wow.. best post of the thread so far. Jan. =--- Marc Collins wrote... > Oops...bad reply, Ed. But you seem like a straight-up guy, so > I'll assume you are just having a bad day. We all do sometimes. > > <snip>

Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The prosecution demands 2 months of playing SOS1937 for you... bail is seta Ugh! Jan, don't punish the rest of us by reminding us of SOS1937. Geez, I was eating supper, too. Now I'm not even hungry anymore. -- Slot www.slottweak.com Tweaks & Reviews Wait...... I wonder how it would look with 4xFSAA. Hmmmmm.....

Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It would be nice to hear Hasbro publicly admit that these "issues" even > exist. On Oct 30 Ed referenced the AI problems with "It is something we are working on for the next update/patch." > Frankly, his little diatribe/reply was unprofessional and Careful BB, if rrevved wasn't busy defending himself in another thread and tilting at PS2's in another newsgroup, he'd probably come after you for calling Ed unprofessional ;) -- Slot www.slottweak.com Tweaks & Reviews

Now *this* below is what I call constructive criticism. Read and heed,MGI. Nicely said ,Marc. David "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7wJL5.404259$[email hidden]... > Oops...bad reply, Ed. But you seem like a straight-up guy, so I'll assume > you are just having a bad day. We all do sometimes. > > Discussion of NH on this NG dropped-off dramatically when the Hasbro board(snippage of sensible stuff)

You eat with that mouth?

Another genius heard from. Bleh spewed: > >

Marc Collins wrote: The most intelligent and reasonable expostulation in this entire thread, and quite possibly in the history of this NG. Marc, my good man, you have left nothing unsaid on this subject, and all that's needed to end this wayward discussion is a reply from Ed (or someone at Hasbro) that's as reasonable, complete, forthright, and thoughtful as your message. Way to go.

Hey, I stuck up for his right to be a pain in other NGs! GTX_SlotCar wrote: > > > Careful BB, if rrevved wasn't busy defending himself in another thread and > tilting at PS2's in another newsgroup, he'd probably come after you for > calling Ed unprofessional ;)

Then in that case, go back and refer to the very first posts made by Ed after Heat was released. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Kevin Anderson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0RGL5.158315$[email hidden]... > If Ed came on here and said " I am sorry we released this product the way it > was. It was a business decision. We were wrong. We will try to fix our > product with patches as soon as possible." > I would then have some respect for him. Instead he defends his beta testers > and pretends they were unaware of the problems. I don't buy it.

Tsk, tsk, Gregory. What WILL the other children think? -- BK. --------------------------- Gregg Barnett <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Complete rubbish.

HAA! Thanks, Jan.........for the completely unofficial promotion! :-) When do I get the uniform? -- BK. --------------------------- Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, like it or not, Bruce *is* the officially appointed grammar police > around here, so you've just insulted a police officer in uniform... > > The prosecution demands 2 months of playing SOS1937 for you... bail is set a > two favourable postings about DTRSC. > > Jan. <g> > =--- > Gregg Barnett wrote... > > <offensive drivel snipped> > >

Oh, it's casual dress... >;-> Jan. =--- Bruce Kennewell wrote...

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> HAA! > Thanks, Jan.........for the completely unofficial promotion! :-) > When do I get the uniform? > > -- > BK. > ---------------------------

"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote <snip great comments> > > It's up to you to make sure NH can do more than Beat the Heat segmentswell. > I hope you can deliver as I will be severely disappointed if NH getstreated > like CART:PR did...left to tease with it's great potential, but unable to > deliver. You hit the nail on that issue Marc. You took the majority of the people's thoughts in that message. But let's still remember to separate MGI from Hasbro in this whole situation. It's better for ourselves to do such thing, as we learned our lesson hopefully with Papyrus/Sierra. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Sorry Slot, the Judege Dredd in me took over. Jan./ "I am the Law" ;-) =--- GTX_SlotCar wrote...

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> <Snip> > Ugh! Jan, don't punish the rest of us by reminding us of SOS1937. > Geez, I was eating supper, too. Now I'm not even hungry anymore. > > -- > > Slot > www.slottweak.com > Tweaks & Reviews > > > > Wait...... I wonder how it would look with 4xFSAA. Hmmmmm..... > >

Aha! Undercover, then? -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Oh, it's casual dress... >;-> > > Jan. > =--- > Bruce Kennewell wrote... > > HAA! > > Thanks, Jan.........for the completely unofficial promotion! :-) > > When do I get the uniform? > > > > -- > > BK. > > --------------------------- > >

In article <jJKL5.5181$[email hidden]>, "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> writes: >Ugh! Jan, don't punish the rest of us by reminding us of SOS1937. Geez, I >was eating supper, too. Now I'm not even hungry anymore. Hey - that's an easy weight-loss program! Just post a screenshot of SOS37 on your fridge...<g> I should get royalties... :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:06:37 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > >> Did anyone see the post on Hasbro's board where someone just asked a >>simple question "Why was Nascar heat released the way it was, with >>uplayable yellow flags (laps lasting forever, cars ramming you). Even >>with the patch there are still numerous problems. >> Anyway, Dan from Hasbro answered by saying "None of the problems were >>seen in testing" >> Excuse me? Anyone who bought this game saw them within 10 minutes of >>playing. >> Then he defends the Beta Testers by saying that everone makes >>mistakes. >> The game was released unfinished and Hasbro knew it. They just >>wanted to get the game out by the end of Nascar season and beat Nascar >>4 to market (Which at the time was sceduled for a November release) >> And Hasbro, when using Beta Testers, don't use the same testers who >>test Frogger 1 and 2 for you. Look for real Beta Testers who know a >>little about racing sims. >> >> >>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >>Before you buy. > >You people are un-fucking-believable. > >What do you want? No developers creating sims? (Except your precious >Papyrus, of course. They can do no wrong.) Fucking sad. You get >deleted on some other forum so you go to cry about it on ras. Just get >back to posting about your whoopidy-shit personal best at the 'ring, >like anyone cares. Bleh.

What was your point? Do you WANT people to report problems with the games, or not? And if people don't post problems and/or ask questions, how will they ever get fixed? It's also possible that you're just pissed at the WAY he stated his case, but not the message itself. I'll let you explain that... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Bruce Kennewell wrote: >> >> And your little essay is so badly put together that it would rate a D- in >> kindergarten. >> >estinal fortitude to stick around in RAS in spite of (or perhaps >> because of) uneducated vitriol from posters such as yourself. > >> > >What the fuck are you a Kindergaten teacher ? That wasnt meant to be >an essay, BTW I wasnt aware that NG postings had to be so formal. If >you have a problem with it Dickhead then Go fuck yourself, Oh sorry too >informal. > >Go Fornicate yourself!!!!! > >Dickheads like you that take an english course here and there always >wanna be the grammar police. Get a life you " FUCKING " <<<< Slang >Idiot.

One word - decaf... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <TTuL5.58604$[email hidden]>, "Hannabill" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Poor babies. >Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!! > >Maybe if developers/publishers would learn to put out a "working" as >advertised or promised mainly "bug free" fugging game for once..just ONCE.. >before they get our fugging money we would be warm and fuzzy to the poor >little emotionally fragile developers. >

Does anyone *really* expect software to be released in perfect working order anymore? I'm wondering if it can still be done. With all the differing systems/OS's, etc - I'm thinking it's no longer possible. Not a knock on any publisher, just a statement in general. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <aboL5.66569$[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> writes: >I had hopes for Heat, and was sorely dissappointed fairly quickly after I >got it. Then I held on for the patch, and when it didn't fix the ai >problems, I gave up on it. I really wanted to run a season with it, but >after getting creamed over halfway into a race by the ai, I decided it >wasn't worth the hassle. > Was this during yellow flags, or during actual racing? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> > One word - decaf... > > Eldred Whoa thats a great one you should considering going on the road, LOL you're a very original comedian. LOL

In the history of the NG!??!?!? I wouldn't go that far, but I am glad you liked it. I said early on that I would be buying NH for no other reason that to support the participation of Hasbro in this NG (and then later on their own board). No one here could believe the degree to which Ed and the others were honest and forthright and informative and open about NH--including it's known short comings. The fact that I am even thinking for a moment of comparing the current situation with NH to the CART:PR fiasco makes me shudder. Marc. "Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Marc Collins wrote: > > The most intelligent and reasonable expostulation in this entire > thread, and quite possibly in the history of this NG. Marc, my good man, > you have left nothing unsaid on this subject, and all that's needed to > end this wayward discussion is a reply from Ed (or someone at Hasbro) > that's as reasonable, complete, forthright, and thoughtful as your

message. > > Way to go.

During yellow flags, the ai will cream you and each other both on yellow flag laps and on pit road during a caution. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends ICQ# 74084566 "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <aboL5.66569$[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I had hopes for Heat, and was sorely dissappointed fairly quickly after I > >got it. Then I held on for the patch, and when it didn't fix the ai > >problems, I gave up on it. I really wanted to run a season with it, but > >after getting creamed over halfway into a race by the ai, I decided it > >wasn't worth the hassle. > > > > Was this during yellow flags, or during actual racing? > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +49.67 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 01 Nov 2000 21:42:04 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, Bleh <[email hidden]> >writes: > >>On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:06:37 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: >> >>> Did anyone see the post on Hasbro's board where someone just asked a >>>simple question "Why was Nascar heat released the way it was, with >>>uplayable yellow flags (laps lasting forever, cars ramming you). Even >>>with the patch there are still numerous problems. >>> Anyway, Dan from Hasbro answered by saying "None of the problems were >>>seen in testing" >>> Excuse me? Anyone who bought this game saw them within 10 minutes of >>>playing. >>> Then he defends the Beta Testers by saying that everone makes >>>mistakes. >>> The game was released unfinished and Hasbro knew it. They just >>>wanted to get the game out by the end of Nascar season and beat Nascar >>>4 to market (Which at the time was sceduled for a November release) >>> And Hasbro, when using Beta Testers, don't use the same testers who >>>test Frogger 1 and 2 for you. Look for real Beta Testers who know a >>>little about racing sims. >>> >>> >>>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >>>Before you buy. >> >>You people are un-fucking-believable. >> >>What do you want? No developers creating sims? (Except your precious >>Papyrus, of course. They can do no wrong.) Fucking sad. You get >>deleted on some other forum so you go to cry about it on ras. Just get >>back to posting about your whoopidy-shit personal best at the 'ring, >>like anyone cares. Bleh. > >What was your point? Do you WANT people to report problems with the games, or >not? And if people don't post problems and/or ask questions, how will they >ever get fixed? It's also possible that you're just pissed at the WAY he >stated his case, but not the message itself. I'll let you explain that... > >Eldred

Posting complaints and problems with the game is one thing and it's great! But wanting and enjoying a financial downfall of a company as posted by a certain person: "I agree.. Seems Old Ed is getting a little edgy.. Maybe after Christmas Hasbro will be making MORE layoffs and "budget cuts" I mean, they do it SO well. Squirming yet Hasbro? Good" really pissed me off. I shouldn't have replied to the message I did, sorry.

Why? How would you feel about Hasbro if you had worked for company XYZ, then Hasbro comes along with their big bucks, buys the company out, promises false endearments, then fires the entire XYZ company just to get the competition out of the way? Case in point: Microprose -- - - James Wohlever - Techware Computer Services - http://techware.gtinsider.com "Bleh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On 01 Nov 2000 21:42:04 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > Posting complaints and problems with the game is one thing and it's > great! But wanting and enjoying a financial downfall of a company as > posted by a certain person: > > "I agree.. Seems Old Ed is getting a little edgy.. Maybe after > Christmas Hasbro will be making MORE layoffs and "budget cuts" > I mean, they do it SO well. > > Squirming yet Hasbro? Good" > > really pissed me off. > I shouldn't have replied to the message I did, sorry.

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>Posting complaints and problems with the game is one thing and it's >great! But wanting and enjoying a financial downfall of a company as >posted by a certain person: > >"I agree.. Seems Old Ed is getting a little edgy.. Maybe after >Christmas Hasbro will be making MORE layoffs and "budget cuts" >I mean, they do it SO well. > >Squirming yet Hasbro? Good" > >really pissed me off. >I shouldn't have replied to the message I did, sorry.

People have wanted companies to go out of business before. When customers feel they've been screwed, they respond. Hasbro seems to have a lot more detractors now than it seemed previously. But why do *you* take it so personally? Do you(or a relative) work for Hasbro? Just curious... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>> >> One word - decaf... >> >> Eldred > >Whoa thats a great one you should considering going on the road, LOL >you're a very original comedian. LOL >

Geez, aren't YOU the anti-social one today. *You're* the one with the issues, not me. Chill out... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <Hy4M5.73232$[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> writes: >During yellow flags, the ai will cream you and each other both on yellow >flag laps and on pit road during a caution. Rats, that sounds like Bill Elliot's Nascar Challenge. That 'feature' really pissed me off. After hearing the complaints about yellow flag problems, I realized that I haven't run a full race since I bought the retail version. I got back into GPL. Hmm...I'll have to try it over the weekend. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I found it quite amusing... "Gregg Barnett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > > > One word - decaf... > > > > Eldred > > Whoa thats a great one you should considering going on the road, LOL > you're a very original comedian. LOL