Re: Track Marshall accident

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:34:00 +0200, "Thomas M�rlund" <[email hidden]> enlightened us all with these kind words of wisdom:

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>I just happened to be zapping through the channels right now when I stumbled >on something related to the accident on sunday. The german channel RTL >somehow got their hands on some amateur video footage recorded from the >inside of the chicane, looking towards Curva Grande, and they played it >twice to show what actually happened. The marshall is on the right side of >the picture, to the left of the track, and is hit by a wheel from one of the >Jordans, Frentzen's I believe. Shocking, to say the least... >Anyway, that's want I wanted to say. If anyone wants to see the clip, and >has access to german RTL, they usually do a re-run at 3 am or something...

I'd be very interested to see this, but I don't have access to many channels at the moment. If anybody knows where it can be downloaded from on the web, or in a newsgroup, please let me know. Best regards, Moon-Watcher

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:54:21 GMT, [email hidden] (Jo Helsen) enlightened us all with these kind words of wisdom: >On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:34:00 +0200, "Thomas M�rlund" ><[email hidden]> wrote: >If the cables attached to the wheels would actually WORK, then this >wouldn't have happened! Those cables do work. They're build to sustain a weight of five tons. While we still do see wheels flying off into all directions, it at least means that five tons of weight and momentum has been lost on the very second that the wheel becomes detached from the car. Those cables you talk of DO work. They're built to cope with a weight of five tons. They're kept very tight, with very little slack, so that in the event of an accident, when a wheel does come lose, it has already lost five tons of weight (that's a great deal of momentum), the second it begins to move. Remember, F1 cars are built to come apart on light impacts. It's one of the best ways of protecting the driver. They could build the cars so that they're rock solid, and could stay together through heaven and hell, but as soon as there was an accident, the driver would be unlikely to survive. By building the cars so that they break apart with such ease, it reduces the impact for the driver during an accident. Much like crumple zones in modern day road cars. It's tragic that somebody died as a result of this accident, but what it does show is that the technology build to protect the drivers in an accident is working perfectly. The best example of this is the accident at Spa a couple of years ago (or was it last year?). Almost as soon as the race began there was one of the biggest pile-ups in formula 1 history, yet each and every driver walked away. This couldn't have happened a few years ago. The result of the wheel flying off into the air was something which nobody could have prevented. Nobody but God himself. Best regards, Moon-Watcher

I just happened to be zapping through the channels right now when I stumbled on something related to the accident on sunday. The german channel RTL somehow got their hands on some amateur video footage recorded from the inside of the chicane, looking towards Curva Grande, and they played it twice to show what actually happened. The marshall is on the right side of the picture, to the left of the track, and is hit by a wheel from one of the Jordans, Frentzen's I believe. Shocking, to say the least... Anyway, that's want I wanted to say. If anyone wants to see the clip, and has access to german RTL, they usually do a re-run at 3 am or something...

In article <8pr4ja$ap9$[email hidden]>, "Thomas M�rlund" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> That confirms my first impression from the normal TV coverage. When >> Frentzen first collides, you can see a wheel SHOOT to the right with >> incredible speed. If he was hit by THAT.... :-( >> > >He WAS hit by THAT, and yes, it was moving pretty fast. Hit him in the head >clean, and blew his helmet off... >

In other words, just a very unfortunate freak accident... :( I'm glad I'm not religious. I'd have a hard time trying to understand why *that* happened... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +50.77 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > > I'd be very interested to see this, but I don't have access to many channels at the moment. If anybody knows where it can be downloaded from on the > web, or in a newsgroup, please let me know. > http://members.tripod.com/djburaz/video/guma.asf

Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> skrev i en nyhedsmeddelelse:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:34:00 +0200, "Thomas M�rlund" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > That confirms my first impression from the normal TV coverage. When > Frentzen first collides, you can see a wheel SHOOT to the right with > incredible speed. If he was hit by THAT.... :-( >

He WAS hit by THAT, and yes, it was moving pretty fast. Hit him in the head clean, and blew his helmet off...

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:34:00 +0200, "Thomas M�rlund" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I just happened to be zapping through the channels right now when I stumbled >on something related to the accident on sunday. The german channel RTL >somehow got their hands on some amateur video footage recorded from the >inside of the chicane, looking towards Curva Grande, and they played it >twice to show what actually happened. The marshall is on the right side of >the picture, to the left of the track, and is hit by a wheel from one of the >Jordans, Frentzen's I believe. Shocking, to say the least... >Anyway, that's want I wanted to say. If anyone wants to see the clip, and >has access to german RTL, they usually do a re-run at 3 am or something...

That confirms my first impression from the normal TV coverage. When Frentzen first collides, you can see a wheel SHOOT to the right with incredible speed. If he was hit by THAT.... :-( If the cables attached to the wheels would actually WORK, then this wouldn't have happened! JoH

> If the cables attached to the wheels would actually WORK, then this > wouldn't have happened! They work to a certain degree. The cables are designed to withstand 5 tonnes of tensile stress. Imagine if that much more energy had been in that wheel. It would have taken the poor guy's head clean off! You are quite right though. More steps must be taken and I remember something being said to the effect that the wheels will be double tethered next year. MS > > JoH >

On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:35:22 +0100, Moon-Watcher <[email hidden]> wrote: >The result of the wheel flying off into the air was something which nobody could have prevented. Nobody but God himself. Presumably, 'he' would also have been able to prevent the accident in the first place and that didn't happen either. I guess nobody was around to teach god to treat his toys with a little more respect. ~daxe

Maybe marshalls shouldn't be so close to the track. That would help too. "Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:34:00 +0200, "Thomas M�rlund" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I just happened to be zapping through the channels right now when Istumbled > >on something related to the accident on sunday. The german channel RTL > >somehow got their hands on some amateur video footage recorded from the > >inside of the chicane, looking towards Curva Grande, and they played it > >twice to show what actually happened. The marshall is on the right sideof > >the picture, to the left of the track, and is hit by a wheel from one ofthe > >Jordans, Frentzen's I believe. Shocking, to say the least... > >Anyway, that's want I wanted to say. If anyone wants to see the clip, and > >has access to german RTL, they usually do a re-run at 3 am orsomething...

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> > That confirms my first impression from the normal TV coverage. When > Frentzen first collides, you can see a wheel SHOOT to the right with > incredible speed. If he was hit by THAT.... :-( > > If the cables attached to the wheels would actually WORK, then this > wouldn't have happened! > > JoH >

Todd Sorensen wrote: > > Maybe marshalls shouldn't be so close to the track. That would help too. Yep, we should really put the Fire Marshalls further away from the track..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting are the only true sports...all others are games." --Ernest Hemingway--

Im a bit nervous to download it - is it gruesome? Pete "BriGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > > > > I'd be very interested to see this, but I don't have access to manychannels at the moment. If anybody knows where it can be downloaded from on the > > web, or in a newsgroup, please let me know. > > > > http://members.tripod.com/djburaz/video/guma.asf >

First question in my mind on seeing the amateur footage is "what on earth was Rubens doing way over on that side of the track?". Next is "where did HH think he was going?". Didn't realise Rubens almost took out Mika either - can you imagine the conspiracy theorists comments if he'd taken out BOTH McLarens? -- druidh remove THE_MICHAEL to reply. "BriGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > > > > I'd be very interested to see this, but I don't have access to many channels at the moment. If anybody knows where it can be downloaded from on the > > web, or in a newsgroup, please let me know. > > > > http://members.tripod.com/djburaz/video/guma.asf >

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:30:35 -0500, BriGuy <[email hidden]> enlightened us all with these kind words of wisdom: >http://members.tripod.com/djburaz/video/guma.asf There seems to be something wrong with the way I can display that page. When I load it in Internet Explorer 5.5, all I can see is a collection of millions of characters. Nothing else. Anybody else experiencing this problem? Best regards, Moon-Watcher

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:59:29 +0100, Moon-Watcher <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:30:35 -0500, BriGuy <[email hidden]> enlightened us all with these kind words of wisdom: > >>http://members.tripod.com/djburaz/video/guma.asf > >There seems to be something wrong with the way I can display that page. > >When I load it in Internet Explorer 5.5, all I can see is a collection of millions of characters. Nothing else. Anybody else experiencing this >problem?

I took the url and inserted it in a simple html page as a hyperlink, opened the page, then right clicked and picked 'save target as.' I had to change the 'save as' file type to ASF, but you could do that later, too. It's about 1.5 meg. DOuble click the file when it all gets there and it should open your windows media player.

Moon-Watcher wrote:

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> > On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:30:35 -0500, BriGuy <[email hidden]> enlightened us all with these kind words of wisdom: > > >http://members.tripod.com/djburaz/video/guma.asf > > There seems to be something wrong with the way I can display that page. > > When I load it in Internet Explorer 5.5, all I can see is a collection of millions of characters. Nothing else. Anybody else experiencing this > problem?

I just saved the file to my desktop first. Worked for me. Also, you gotta have the latest version of Media Player. Had to download the update to mine. :-< -- Chuck Kandler Windows--computing for the Unwashed Masses Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:34:21 +1000, "Stan Marsh" <neddo69 AT hotmail DOT com> wrote: >Im a bit nervous to download it - is it gruesome? >Pete > the impact of the wheel is so far away and fuzzy that they have to draw a red circle around it to show you where it happens. (and they show you twice) depending on your imagination, it could be gruesome, but there is nothing gruesome to see, per se. ~daxe

thanks for the speedy reply - I'll have to check it out Pete "daxe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:34:21 +1000, "Stan Marsh" <neddo69 AT hotmail > DOT com> wrote: > > >Im a bit nervous to download it - is it gruesome? > >Pete > > > > > the impact of the wheel is so far away and fuzzy that they have to > draw a red circle around it to show you where it happens. (and they > show you twice) > > depending on your imagination, it could be gruesome, but there is > nothing gruesome to see, per se. > > ~daxe

Was it Mosley who said he should have been ducking behind the barrier? that the Italian marshals are too keen? Their intention, however, is to save drivers' lives. People in the emergency services often put their lives at risk to rescue people. It seems to be part of what they're expected to do. Maybe, you decide to either take that risk or not. But since it is there, there should be a real effort to minimise it - by those in charge. One other point is that risk is required by all of us to varying degrees. Science found when people were obliged to wear seatbelts, they drove faster to get back to their optimum level of risk. The F1 drivers, too, as the cars have gotten safer, take more risks - to get to their optimum level. I recall JV asking for more risk in F1. Risk is part of the thrill. I think too for the marshals. It's their buzz. "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:loaw5.144242$[email hidden]... > Maybe marshalls shouldn't be so close to the track. That would helptoo.

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> > > > > "Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:34:00 +0200, "Thomas M�rlund" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >I just happened to be zapping through the channels right now when

I > stumbled > > >on something related to the accident on sunday. The germanchannel RTL > > >somehow got their hands on some amateur video footage recordedfrom the > > >inside of the chicane, looking towards Curva Grande, and theyplayed it > > >twice to show what actually happened. The marshall is on theright side > of > > >the picture, to the left of the track, and is hit by a wheel fromone of > the > > >Jordans, Frentzen's I believe. Shocking, to say the least... > > >Anyway, that's want I wanted to say. If anyone wants to see theclip, and > > >has access to german RTL, they usually do a re-run at 3 am or > something... > > > > That confirms my first impression from the normal TV coverage.When > > Frentzen first collides, you can see a wheel SHOOT to the rightwith > > incredible speed. If he was hit by THAT.... :-( > > > > If the cables attached to the wheels would actually WORK, thenthis > > wouldn't have happened! > > > > JoH > > > >

It's not gruesome - everything is at a distance, but it does make you realise what a freak accident it was. Cheers, Steve.

Todd Sorensen wrote: > > Maybe marshalls shouldn't be so close to the track. That would help too. Yepp, and the guys from the fire department should NEVER enter a burning building... -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Steve Pritchard) writes: >It's not gruesome - everything is at a distance, but it does make you >realise what a freak accident it was. Like the older guy that got killed several years ago at Indy? He got hit by a flying tire while in the top row of the grandstand. Another measly 2 feet, and the thing would have missed him completely... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +50.77 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

God stopped watching F1, 'cos there's not enough overtaking <g> -- -Ace- (GPLRank -1.77) daxe <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:35:22 +0100, Moon-Watcher > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >The result of the wheel flying off into the air was something which nobody could have prevented. Nobody but God himself. > > Presumably, 'he' would also have been able to prevent the accident in > the first place and that didn't happen either. I guess nobody was > around to teach god to treat his toys with a little more respect. > > ~daxe

In article <[email hidden]>, daxe <[email hidden]> writes:

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>>The result of the wheel flying off into the air was something which nobody >could have prevented. Nobody but God himself. > >Presumably, 'he' would also have been able to prevent the accident in >the first place and that didn't happen either. I guess nobody was >around to teach god to treat his toys with a little more respect. >

Either he *wanted* the guy to die, or was powerless to stop it from happening. Not exactly a god I want to put *my* faith in... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +50.77 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 19 Sep 2000 21:46:02 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, daxe ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>>The result of the wheel flying off into the air was something which nobody >>could have prevented. Nobody but God himself. >> >>Presumably, 'he' would also have been able to prevent the accident in >>the first place and that didn't happen either. I guess nobody was >>around to teach god to treat his toys with a little more respect. >> > >Either he *wanted* the guy to die, or was powerless to stop it from happening. >Not exactly a god I want to put *my* faith in...

exactly, Eldred. :o) ~daxe