Well one thing I noticed when I was running the hotgrids hotlap contest is
that even after downloading replays and watching them was some guys seemed
smooth when watching then outside the car, but inside they were very very
busy. The Ring, I got under 9 minutes, with a slower Cooper, by just
trying to make time where I knew I could and then trying to survive the
rest of the lap. The Ring to me is about smooth dilvery of power and being
ahead of the car the whole lap. that means giving up some speed to stay
ahead of the car. I would bet since you do not know what happened to cause
the spin you were probably behind the car and not ahead of it. I usually
spin my Solo ll car when I get behind and then get bit hard by the car.
Dave
EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in article
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> I tried running Nurburgring again today. I watched D. Arnao's Lotusreplay.
> He seems smoother than *I* do. But he's 30 seconds quicker. So to thepeople
> telling me to drive more aggressively, how does THAT match up?
> Two lousy laps in the Lotus - 9:15+. So, I tried the Cooper - 9:26. Coming
> down the 2nd main straight, I lost it under braking. I didn't toanything
> differently, and I don't have a CLUE why the car spun. I ended uppicking up a
> diskette and throwing it at my monitor, shattering the diskette. Afterstaring
> at the screen in anger and frustration for about a minute, I realizedthat I
> may as well give up. I need to stop for a while. I'll never catch the
> hotshoes, or get much better no matter HOW many laps I do. I'm justgoing to
you
> with experience...
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>
The Ring, I got under 9 minutes, with a slower Cooper, by just
> trying to make time where I knew I could and then trying to survive the
> rest of the lap.
This was very much my experience. I knew the track well enough to
Adenaur-Forst to go pretty fast, but after that I had to go into cruise
mode. Then I found that tho the following straight Metzgenfeld went over a
blind hill, that I could accelerate like mad til well past the crest.
Similarly with the nasty narrow 'hedges section' that follows, where I was
always on tenterhooks in 2nd gear, begging the hedges not to reach out and
grab me. Now I can take that in a slow 3rd gear by keeping to the right and
anticipating the turns earlier.
So I think its a matter of learning this track section by section, rather
than running a million laps and hoping something 'emerges'.
rms
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Eldred,
You really should take a break from F1 and come hang with us in the
Vroc-F2 club for a while. I think you will find that the close
competiton and the sharpening of your senses towards nuances
(necessary with 1/2 the horsepower and reduced grip) will result in
some satisfying improvements when you return to the F1s.
Regards,
Brett C. Cammack
That's Racing! Motorsports
Pompano Beach, FL
Don't give up and don't consider yourself beaten. I, like you have never
gotten close to the speed of the hotshoes. I found that I could barely get
around with most of the fast setups. I stick with A. Hine's setups with
minor changes. Most days on most tracks I am lucky to get close to my best
times. At the Nring, I'm lucky to get a complete lap! My best advice is to
take a day or two off, stick to one setup, and don't expect every lap to be
a PB.
You also might want to consider a lesson I learned many decades ago, there's
always someone smarter than you - there's always someone faster than you.
Just do the best you can with what you got.
Jeff H "speedcrazed"
EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > It's amazing that one can get so worked up over a FUCKING GAME... > > Eldred - beaten... > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +50.77"Brett C. Cammack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I agree with Brett. I stopped driving F1 cars for 2 months because the
racing in the F2 club was and is so good. There are a wide range of
abilities amongst the 30-40 drivers who race regularly and you improve by
racing, not hotlapping. I went back to F1 for the first time in two months
last week and knocked over 10 seconds off my handicap in the last week,
including breaking the magical 9 minute barrier at the Ring on three
occasions.
I suggest you stop practising and start racing. We are racing at Snetterton
on Tuesday night, with the race starting at 6pm EST. You are more than
welcome to join us.
Cheers
Phil
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F1 GPL Handicap: +49.13 secs
F2 GPL Handicap: +144.80 secs
http://www.youpies.co.uk
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> Eldred, > > You really should take a break from F1 and come hang with us in the > Vroc-F2 club for a while. I think you will find that the close > competiton and the sharpening of your senses towards nuances > (necessary with 1/2 the horsepower and reduced grip) will result in > some satisfying improvements when you return to the F1s.
"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I tried running Nurburgring again today. I watched D. Arnao's Lotusreplay.
> He seems smoother than *I* do. But he's 30 seconds quicker. So to thepeople
> telling me to drive more aggressively, how does THAT match up?
> Two lousy laps in the Lotus - 9:15+. So, I tried the Cooper - 9:26.Coming
> down the 2nd main straight, I lost it under braking. I didn't to anything
> differently, and I don't have a CLUE why the car spun. I ended up pickingup a
> diskette and throwing it at my monitor, shattering the diskette. Afterstaring
> at the screen in anger and frustration for about a minute, I realized thatI
> may as well give up. I need to stop for a while. I'll never catch the
> hotshoes, or get much better no matter HOW many laps I do. I'm just goingto
> have accept that.
>
> It's amazing that one can get so worked up over a FUCKING GAME...
>
> Eldred - beaten...
All what you need is some VACATION. Do something totally differnent. Start
compiling LINUX-kernels, collecting stamps, take a painting course,
whatever. But don't play GPL for a month or two. And return faster than
ever!
grtngs,
hgrm
> --
> Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> GPL hcp. +50.77
>
> Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beatsyou
> with experience...
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Hail fellow sufferer! A couple of things helped me get around the Ring
smoothly (so far 8.32), apart from a good setup. I eventually decided that
psychology may help after numerous frustrating efforts to string a fast
qualifying lap together. So I first of all made sure that I never raced the
Ring unless as part of a full season. That way it doesn't take on the 'all
or nothing' level of importance, and should you fail, you can make up for it
at the next race. But, to stop you failing, pretend that you're gonna be
sacked by the team for being crap! And the only team that will have you is
BRM. It helps concentrate the mind no end.
Steve
>It's amazing that one can get so worked up over a FUCKING GAME...
>
>Eldred - beaten...
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On 05 Sep 2000 03:48:18 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:
You're not the only one, imho it's one of the hardest corners to get
right. The braking in the corner itself is more than difficult enough,
and on top of that it's being followed by a hairpin with these nice
concrete tires... I allways have the feeling that I'm taking those
corners way too slow.
Andre
>Eldred
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>In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>I can only tell you that I *never* had a spin in GPL without knowing >>what caused it. Often it was hitting the brakes to hard while the car >>was allready unstable (the left-hander before the hairpin at Rouen for >>example, you have to brake VERY softly there else the car will spin). >>Eldred, if this ever happens again, save the replay and post it, so we >>can have a look at what caused it. > >That corner you mentioned is my LEAST favorite in the whole game. If I go slow >enough to make the corner, I'm losing too much time. If I go faster, I can't >hit the brakes in time for the hairpin. That's just a wicked combination of >turns. I usually end up hitting brakes before the left-hander, and coasting >until I get to the hairpin.
Roger Squires <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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a
> blind hill, that I could accelerate like mad til well past the crest.
> Similarly with the nasty narrow 'hedges section' that follows, where I was
> always on tenterhooks in 2nd gear, begging the hedges not to reach out and
> grab me. Now I can take that in a slow 3rd gear by keeping to the rightand
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> The Ring, I got under 9 minutes, with a slower Cooper, by just > > trying to make time where I knew I could and then trying to survive the > > rest of the lap. > > This was very much my experience. I knew the track well enough to > Adenaur-Forst to go pretty fast, but after that I had to go into cruise > mode. Then I found that tho the following straight Metzgenfeld went overQuoted text (10 lines)
> anticipating the turns earlier. > > So I think its a matter of learning this track section by section, rather > than running a million laps and hoping something 'emerges'. > > rms > [email hidden] > > >
Roger Squires <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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a
> blind hill, that I could accelerate like mad til well past the crest.
> Similarly with the nasty narrow 'hedges section' that follows, where I was
> always on tenterhooks in 2nd gear, begging the hedges not to reach out and
> grab me. Now I can take that in a slow 3rd gear by keeping to the rightand
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> The Ring, I got under 9 minutes, with a slower Cooper, by just > > trying to make time where I knew I could and then trying to survive the > > rest of the lap. > > This was very much my experience. I knew the track well enough to > Adenaur-Forst to go pretty fast, but after that I had to go into cruise > mode. Then I found that tho the following straight Metzgenfeld went overQuoted text (10 lines)
> anticipating the turns earlier. > > So I think its a matter of learning this track section by section, rather > than running a million laps and hoping something 'emerges'. > > rms > [email hidden] > > >
WOW
a all time NEW LOW FOR ENGLISH !!!
> This was very much my experience. I knew the track well enough to
> Adenaur-Forst to go pretty fast, but after that I had to go into cruise
> mode. Then I found that tho the following straight Metzgenfeld went overa
> blind hill, that I could accelerate like mad til well past the crest.
> Similarly with the nasty narrow 'hedges section' that follows, where I was
> always on tenterhooks in 2nd gear, begging the hedges not to reach out and
> grab me. Now I can take that in a slow 3rd gear by keeping to the rightand
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> anticipating the turns earlier. > > So I think its a matter of learning this track section by section, rather > than running a million laps and hoping something 'emerges'. > > rms > [email hidden] > > >First rule when you correct other people's spelling and grammar:
Check your own ! :)
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Ian P
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>
>
> WOW
> a all time NEW LOW FOR ENGLISH !!!
>
>
>
> > This was very much my experience. I knew the track well enough to
> > Adenaur-Forst to go pretty fast, but after that I had to go into cruise
> > mode. Then I found that tho the following straight Metzgenfeld went
over
> a
> > blind hill, that I could accelerate like mad til well past the crest.
> > Similarly with the nasty narrow 'hedges section' that follows, where I
was
> > always on tenterhooks in 2nd gear, begging the hedges not to reach out
and
> > grab me. Now I can take that in a slow 3rd gear by keeping to the right
> and
> > anticipating the turns earlier.
> >
> > So I think its a matter of learning this track section by section,
rather
> > than running a million laps and hoping something 'emerges'.
> >
> > rms
> > [email hidden]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
* Leong wrote:
> WOW
> a all time NEW LOW FOR ENGLISH !!!
That should be "AN all-time new low ...."
Dave Ewing
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EldredP wrote:
>
> No, not that time. I *have* discovered that the early downshift caused spins
> in the past. It was quite surprising when I realized that...
A famous example of this in real life would be Hakkinen at Monza last year, when
he shifted down too far, into 1st gear, going into one of the chicanes. Spun him
right around and out of the race that he had in the bag.
Dave Ewing
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Xilinx Boulder [email hidden]
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Maybe I am fooling myself, but I think I might have that corner
figured out (The one at Rouen). I have found if I setup my brakes
correctly and I accelerate into the turn and use more accelerator than
brake at first and slowly reverse so that I brake harder and the accel
gets less along with not down shifting till the last moment, really
allows me to jump right to the first hairpin at Rouen. I have also
learned to not brake or accel in the hairpin itself. All that together
allows me to screw-up elsewhere at Rouen and ruin a great lap.
SLG
(counting the minutes till work is over so he can race GPL with new
wheel!)
[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:
(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new
and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are
due to too many English classes/teachers)
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>In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>I can only tell you that I *never* had a spin in GPL without knowing >>what caused it. Often it was hitting the brakes to hard while the car >>was allready unstable (the left-hander before the hairpin at Rouen for >>example, you have to brake VERY softly there else the car will spin). >>Eldred, if this ever happens again, save the replay and post it, so we >>can have a look at what caused it. > >That corner you mentioned is my LEAST favorite in the whole game. If I go slow >enough to make the corner, I'm losing too much time. If I go faster, I can't >hit the brakes in time for the hairpin. That's just a wicked combination of >turns. I usually end up hitting brakes before the left-hander, and coasting >until I get to the hairpin. > >Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >GPL hcp. +50.77 > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.In article <8p26ra$kki$[email hidden]>, "Steve" <[email hidden]> writes:
Going the first 5 or 6 races without ANY points isn't liable to endear you to
the team owners, either.<g> I've had seasons(even recently) where I've only
scored points in ONE race.
Eldred
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Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPL hcp. +50.77
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