Re: GP3 vs F1-2K (my 2 cents)

On 8 Aug 2000 10:35:45 GMT, Richard G Clegg <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Macca <[email hidden]> wrote: >: On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 03:09:55 GMT, "Jalo" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >:>The cars will >:>do 18mph without giving the car the gas (I have a logitech FF). I'm sure >:>there is a fix for this (like I said I just got it today, any help would be >:>nice though). > >: If you drive a manual yourself, go into the car, rev it fairly high, >: and then find the grip point with the clutch. Does the car not roll >: forward a bit???? >: Yes it does. It is realistic. If it didnt do that, then the car >: would stall in real life. > > But the car DOES stall in real life. I've never driven anything other >than a manual car. Put it in first and take your foot off the >accelerator - the car will slow and then stall - in any car I've ever >driven anyway.

Of course it stalls, thats what im saying. But how in a game will you get started if you stall your engine 90% of the time when you stop. The replay value of the game would be zilch. ___________________ Macca "I don't know why but it's the best way to die You are the trigger and my deepest desire I'm losing you, but you will always be mine Promise me now that you will enter my mind" Drain Sth - Enter My Mind

"Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Richard G Clegg wrote: > > > > But the car DOES stall in real life. I've never driven anything other > > than a manual car. Put it in first and take your foot off the > > accelerator - the car will slow and then stall - in any car I've ever > > driven anyway. > > > > You haven't driven any diesels, apparently ;). I remember a guy driving > a Renault 5 diesel with his legs sticking out the window - uphill! But I > know this is not what you meant... > > -Gregor

At the other extreme, a large American V8 with a faulty choke (and therefore an idle speed up around 1000) will happily pull away from a stop and cruise along without touching the gas pedal. Of course, you have to gently let the clutch out. Stephen

On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 03:09:55 GMT, "Jalo" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The cars will >do 18mph without giving the car the gas (I have a logitech FF). I'm sure >there is a fix for this (like I said I just got it today, any help would be >nice though). If you drive a manual yourself, go into the car, rev it fairly high, and then find the grip point with the clutch. Does the car not roll forward a bit???? Yes it does. It is realistic. If it didnt do that, then the car would stall in real life. ___________________ Macca "I don't know why but it's the best way to die You are the trigger and my deepest desire I'm losing you, but you will always be mine Promise me now that you will enter my mind" Drain Sth - Enter My Mind

But if they can throw in an automatic clutch for when you are on the grid, why can't they also include it when you stop everywhere else? Stephen "Macca" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 03:09:55 GMT, "Jalo" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >The cars will > >do 18mph without giving the car the gas (I have a logitech FF). I'm sure > >there is a fix for this (like I said I just got it today, any help wouldbe

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> >nice though). > > If you drive a manual yourself, go into the car, rev it fairly high, > and then find the grip point with the clutch. Does the car not roll > forward a bit???? > Yes it does. It is realistic. If it didnt do that, then the car > would stall in real life. > ___________________ > Macca > "I don't know why but it's the best way to die > You are the trigger and my deepest desire > I'm losing you, but you will always be mine > Promise me now that you will enter my mind" > Drain Sth - Enter My Mind

I just got GP3 in the mail today (from interactcd.com for those of us in the USA), and after playing it for awhile, then going back to F1 2k, I must say that GP3 makes F1 2k's cars feel like they are floating. There is almost no road "feel" in F1 2k. The cars seem to float from one side of the track to the other when going down the striaghts. F1 2k just feels to loose. There are a couple of things I don't like about GP3 though, the joystick calibration. Why couldn't they use the drivers from windows? The cars will do 18mph without giving the car the gas (I have a logitech FF). I'm sure there is a fix for this (like I said I just got it today, any help would be nice though). As far as graphics go. F1 2k is prettier, but in my opinion GP3 has more useable graphics. Kinda like the difference between NFS and GPL.

The idle thing seems to be by design, it even does it when using the keyboard. Greg "Jalo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7SKj5.3689$[email hidden]... > I just got GP3 in the mail today (from interactcd.com for those of us inthe > USA), and after playing it for awhile, then going back to F1 2k, I mustsay > that GP3 makes F1 2k's cars feel like they are floating. There is almostno > road "feel" in F1 2k. The cars seem to float from one side of the track to > the other when going down the striaghts. F1 2k just feels to loose. > There are a couple of things I don't like about GP3 though, the joystick > calibration. Why couldn't they use the drivers from windows? The cars will > do 18mph without giving the car the gas (I have a logitech FF). I'm sure > there is a fix for this (like I said I just got it today, any help wouldbe > nice though). > As far as graphics go. F1 2k is prettier, but in my opinion GP3 has more > useable graphics. Kinda like the difference between NFS and GPL. > >

Macca <[email hidden]> wrote: : On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 03:09:55 GMT, "Jalo" <[email hidden]> wrote: :>The cars will :>do 18mph without giving the car the gas (I have a logitech FF). I'm sure :>there is a fix for this (like I said I just got it today, any help would be :>nice though). : If you drive a manual yourself, go into the car, rev it fairly high, : and then find the grip point with the clutch. Does the car not roll : forward a bit???? : Yes it does. It is realistic. If it didnt do that, then the car : would stall in real life. But the car DOES stall in real life. I've never driven anything other than a manual car. Put it in first and take your foot off the accelerator - the car will slow and then stall - in any car I've ever driven anyway. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

Richard G Clegg wrote: > > But the car DOES stall in real life. I've never driven anything other > than a manual car. Put it in first and take your foot off the > accelerator - the car will slow and then stall - in any car I've ever > driven anyway. > You haven't driven any diesels, apparently ;). I remember a guy driving a Renault 5 diesel with his legs sticking out the window - uphill! But I know this is not what you meant... -Gregor

Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote: : Richard G Clegg wrote: :> :> But the car DOES stall in real life. I've never driven anything other :> than a manual car. Put it in first and take your foot off the :> accelerator - the car will slow and then stall - in any car I've ever :> driven anyway. : You haven't driven any diesels, apparently ;). I remember a guy driving : a Renault 5 diesel with his legs sticking out the window - uphill! But I : know this is not what you meant... Driven plenty of diesels. Actually, thinking about it, the stall or not depends on where you set the idle of the throttle I suppose. You could set it so that no throttle is plenty of revs and enough to accelerate uphill - but why would you? It would mean that you'd burn plenty of fuel sitting in neutral at traffic lights. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

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> > Driven plenty of diesels. Actually, thinking about it, the stall or > not depends on where you set the idle of the throttle I suppose. You > could set it so that no throttle is plenty of revs and enough to > accelerate uphill - but why would you? It would mean that you'd burn > plenty of fuel sitting in neutral at traffic lights. > > -- > Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving > Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group > Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York > UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

Exactly. It was just a fun story I thought I would mention. But I think most cars have their throttle set up the way that driving in first without feet on a level terrain will not make you stall the car, as long as the rolling and transmission friction is not too big (a note to self: check the tyre pressures the next time you're filling the tank). The idle throttle must be set to at least overcome the engine friction, so most cars probably have it set with enough reserve that they can cruise in first with idle throttle. In fact, we had fun with a friend of mine when we actually managed to get his car moving by only using the clutch ... in fifth! -Gregor

On 8 Aug 2000 10:35:45 GMT, Richard G Clegg <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>: Yes it does. It is realistic. If it didnt do that, then the car >: would stall in real life. > > But the car DOES stall in real life. I've never driven anything other >than a manual car. Put it in first and take your foot off the >accelerator - the car will slow and then stall - in any car I've ever >driven anyway.

The cars I've driven so far don't stall - if you gently step off the clutch, of course. But they drive ...

Ahhhh that's the word I was looking for..... floaty....I agree totally the F12k cars feel like they aren't connected to the track, I am also in the US and just got the game (GP3). Norm "Jalo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7SKj5.3689$[email hidden]... > I just got GP3 in the mail today (from interactcd.com for those of us inthe > USA), and after playing it for awhile, then going back to F1 2k, I mustsay > that GP3 makes F1 2k's cars feel like they are floating. There is almostno > road "feel" in F1 2k. The cars seem to float from one side of the track to > the other when going down the striaghts. F1 2k just feels to loose. > There are a couple of things I don't like about GP3 though, the joystick > calibration. Why couldn't they use the drivers from windows? The cars will > do 18mph without giving the car the gas (I have a logitech FF). I'm sure > there is a fix for this (like I said I just got it today, any help wouldbe > nice though). > As far as graphics go. F1 2k is prettier, but in my opinion GP3 has more > useable graphics. Kinda like the difference between NFS and GPL. > >

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> On 8 Aug 2000 10:35:45 GMT, Richard G Clegg <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >: Yes it does. It is realistic. If it didnt do that, then the car > >: would stall in real life. > > > > But the car DOES stall in real life. I've never driven anything other > >than a manual car. Put it in first and take your foot off the > >accelerator - the car will slow and then stall - in any car I've ever > >driven anyway. > > The cars I've driven so far don't stall - if you gently step off the > clutch, of course. But they drive ...

The problem is that you can't step off the clutch gently in a F1 car, it's either on or off. -- Greetings Johan N [email hidden]

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > But if they can throw in an automatic clutch for when you are on the grid, > why can't they also include it when you stop everywhere else? > > Stephen They have, just hold in the gear-shifter and you have neutral until you let go. -- Greetings Johan N [email hidden]