Re: GPL fans

"xoc455" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > GPL is a game. A fun game yes...But it's not a religion or a god's > creation. Blasphemer! <g> I guess you haven't seen this, although I think number 10 has been recinded. <thanks to dave henrie> -- The GPL Ten Commandments 1. Thou shalt not put any other sim before GPL. 2. Thou shalt condemn and denegrate any other sim that attempts to equal GPL yet falls short. 3. Thou shalt "PLONK!" any heathen who fails to hear the word. 4. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife whilst driving GPL (too easy to miss your braking points). 5. Thou shalt salt away a portion of your earnings so that thy FRAMERATE may swell. 6. Thou shalt scan the TV listings for any mention of the movie Grand Prix. 7. Thou shalt fill your domicile with trappings of Loti and Ferrari. 8. Thou shalt strive to remember the names and faces of thy children. 9. Thou shalt strive to talk about words like Thrustmaster and Force-Feedback with a straight face. 10. THOU SHALT NOT ATTEMPT TO RUN GPL WITH AN NVIDIA PRODUCT. NAY THOU SHALT NOT BOTHER OR ANNOY OR NAG THOSE WHO PRATICE THE ART OF VOODOO WITH GPL AND THOU SHALT NOT WHINEST WHEN YOUR MIRRORS STUTTER AND YOUR FRAMERATE DOESN'T SWELLETH. don New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/gpl/index.html http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm

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On Mon 24 Jul 2000 06:55:00pm, xoc455 wrote: <snip> >Sorry for my english, I hope it's understandable enough :)<snip> We get a lot worse than this from people who are supposed to have English as their first language... :-) >Do you guys race sometimes ? Or are you only "hotlapping" ?<snip> If you look at GPLRank, you'll see that a lot of people's fastest laps are set during races. Not surprising, because of: 1) slipstreaming, especially at Monza; and 2) the extra pressure, which can help you round faster (or into a hedge, of course). >BUT when you are talking about GPL like you would talk about your >religion I find it outrageaous. > >GPL is a game. A fun game yes...But it's not a religion or a god's >creation.<snip> Yep. IF a game comes along that I enjoy more, I'll play it more. But GP3's hopes of being that game seem to be receding rapidly (I'll still buy it, though - but from EB!). Looks like WSC is about to be installed as the next "young pretender" to GPL's throne... -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -1.43) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

On Mon 24 Jul 2000 07:22:06pm, G.Aitken wrote: >Hi xoc455 (silly name BTW) > >GPL isn't a matter of life or death or religion...it's MUCH more >important than that ;0).<snip> Oh, come *on* - this NG is full of Americans - how many of them are going to get *that* one? ;-) -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -1.43) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

I feel the same, I must be one of the few who stil enjoys Sportscar GT and TOCA2, hell I even had a blast on ICR2 the other night and it beat GPL for overall enjoyment. xoc455 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Sorry for my english, I hope it's understandable enough :) > > You guys are funny . > > How much posts we read each single day about someone who shits in his > pants cause he's too happy with his new lap record. > > Each time this makes me laugh. > > Do you guys race sometimes ? Or are you only "hotlapping" ? > > Anyway that's not really a complaint, I just find this funny. > I'm happy if you love this. (seriously) > > BUT when you are talking about GPL like you would talk about your > religion I find it outrageaous. > > GPL is a game. A fun game yes...But it's not a religion or a god's > creation. > > I have read some posts of people who are ACTUALLY HAPPY that GP3 is or > will not be better than GPL. That's so ridiculous. > > Like you have to protect your game from a new threat (menace?). NOOO > don't even replace MY GPL.. No please no more progress , no more new > sims...LONG LIVE TO GPL. hehe > > Anyway GP3 is not even concurrent...It's a modern F1 sim, with > pit-stop strategies, weather, etc... It's really not the same type of > game so no need to protect YOUR GPL from this newcomer. > > Relax ;) > >

xoc455 wrote... > Sorry for my english, I hope it's understandable enough :) No worries, just fine AFAIC. > You guys are funny . No we're not, but that's a language issue, you mean ridiculous.... eh, no comment. ;-) > How much posts we read each single day about someone > who shits in his pants cause he's too happy with his > new lap record. Well, it does take a lot of effort to reach these barriers, especially if GPL is your first sim. Some numbers are even for ever out of reach for some people. Don't see myself doing a 1m27s at Monza, for example. > Each time this makes me laugh. I smile too, because I relive the moment I crossed the same hurdle. I like these messages very much. > Do you guys race sometimes ? Or are you only > "hotlapping" ? We race all the time, sometimes the AI, but mostly eachother. Trouble is, with the game being out so long, it takes a lot of practise to be competitive online. Things like GPLRank lift the tedium of practising for the online events. > Anyway that's not really a complaint, I just find > this funny. I'm happy if you love this. (seriously) Thank you, I hope you enjoy your game/sim of choice too. > BUT when you are talking about GPL like you would > talk about your religion I find it outrageaous. We don't, it just seems that way. When you're passionate about a certain subject you tend to sound more harsh and blinkered than you really are. I think that's a good thing (sometimes I even go over the top on purpose to provoke the other poster) as it drives home the point you're trying to make. Newsgroup posting is intellectual warfare. > GPL is a game. A fun game yes...But it's not a > religion or a god's creation. That last one is debatable, depending on what definition of "god" you happen to be using. ;-)) > I have read some posts of people who are ACTUALLY > HAPPY that GP3 is or will not be better than GPL. > That's so ridiculous. Hmmm... in a sense I am happy my suspicions were confirmed and this vindicates some of the flack I took for my opinions before we had any code to go on, in another I would have been even more happy if I'd been totally wrong so I would have a ground braking sim to buy and play on Friday. Overall I'm sad as I feel a legend like Crammond owed it to himself to produce a better game. I'm very disappointed he didn't. > Like you have to protect your game from a new threat > (menace?). NOOO don't even replace MY GPL.. No please > no more progress , no more new sims...LONG LIVE TO GPL. > hehe Believe me, myself and all other GPL fans on RAS would like nothing better than having another game of GPL quality or better. Not in the least because I think it would spur Dave Keammer into making an even better one (if both of my heroes fail me with future releases, I'll seriously consider hanging up my helmet). Besides I think GPL does a good job of defending itself, it's still around after nearly two years and tales like Bendito's first experiences with the game lift my spirits. > Anyway GP3 is not even concurrent...It's a modern > F1 sim, with pit-stop strategies, weather, etc... > It's really not the same type of game so no need > to protect YOUR GPL from this newcomer. > Relax ;) Ah, the common mistake of associating the liking of a particular game with it's subjectmatter. This may be the case for the casual racers (I have heard people spurn NFS:PU because they don't like Porsches), but racing simulation fans will drive anything that's properly simulated. It's all the same to us, whether bikes, '67 GP cars or modern F1. Subjectmatter does not enter the discussion of a game's merits. Jan. =---

No worries, just fine AFAIC. No we're not, but that's a language issue, you mean ridiculous.... eh, no comment. ;-) Well, it does take a lot of effort to reach these barriers, especially if GPL is your first sim. Some numbers are even for ever out of reach for some people. Don't see myself doing a 1m27s at Monza, for example. I smile too, because I relive the moment I crossed the same hurdle. I like these messages very much. We race all the time, sometimes the AI, but mostly eachother. Trouble is, with the game being out so long, it takes a lot of practise to be competitive online. Things like GPLRank lift the tedium of practising for the online events. Thank you, I hope you enjoy your game/sim of choice too. We don't, it just seems that way. When you're passionate about a certain subject you tend to sound more harsh and blinkered than you really are. I think that's a good thing (sometimes I even go over the top on purpose to provoke the other poster) as it drives home the point you're trying to make. Newsgroup posting is intellectual warfare. That last one is debatable, depending on what definition of "god" you happen to be using. ;-)) Hmmm... in a sense I am happy my suspicions were confirmed and this vindicates some of the flack I took for my opinions before we had any code to go on, in another I would have been even more happy if I'd been totally wrong so I would have a ground braking sim to buy and play on Friday. Overall I'm sad as I feel a legend like Crammond owed it to himself to produce a better game. I'm very disappointed he didn't. Believe me, myself and all other GPL fans on RAS would like nothing better than having another game of GPL quality or better. Not in the least because I think it would spur Dave Keammer into making an even better one (if both of my heroes fail me with future releases, I'll seriously consider*** up my helmet). Besides I think GPL does a good job of defending itself, it's still around after nearly two years and tales like Bendito's first experiences with the game lift my spirits. Ah, the common mistake of associating the liking of a particular game with it's subjectmatter. This may be the case for the casual racers (I have heard people spurn NFS:PU because they don't like Porsches), but racing simulation fans will drive anything that's properly simulated. It's all the same to us, whether bikes, '67 GP cars or modern F1. Subjectmatter does not enter the discussion of a game's merits. Jan. =---

Sorry for my english, I hope it's understandable enough :) You guys are funny . How much posts we read each single day about someone who shits in his pants cause he's too happy with his new lap record. Each time this makes me laugh. Do you guys race sometimes ? Or are you only "hotlapping" ? Anyway that's not really a complaint, I just find this funny. I'm happy if you love this. (seriously) BUT when you are talking about GPL like you would talk about your religion I find it outrageaous. GPL is a game. A fun game yes...But it's not a religion or a god's creation. I have read some posts of people who are ACTUALLY HAPPY that GP3 is or will not be better than GPL. That's so ridiculous. Like you have to protect your game from a new threat (menace?). NOOO don't even replace MY GPL.. No please no more progress , no more new sims...LONG LIVE TO GPL. hehe Anyway GP3 is not even concurrent...It's a modern F1 sim, with pit-stop strategies, weather, etc... It's really not the same type of game so no need to protect YOUR GPL from this newcomer. Relax ;)

Don't embarass yourself. GPL just raised the bar and expectations MUCH higher. I think most people here want something to beat GPL, and when it doesn't, it disapoints them. Well it usually doesn't disapoint me, the only games that come close and are going to come close to GPL is Viper Racing, Nascar Heat, Nascar 4, and probably, WSC will surpass GPL. I think GP3 is pretty good, like the road feel, but it's defidently no better than an "average" sim like Dirt Track Racing, RallyMasters, or NFS PU. (I'm talking physics wise BTW :)) Love the FF and AI though. Thanks, Alex xoc455 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Sorry for my english, I hope it's understandable enough :) > > You guys are funny . > > How much posts we read each single day about someone who shits in his > pants cause he's too happy with his new lap record. > > Each time this makes me laugh. > > Do you guys race sometimes ? Or are you only "hotlapping" ? > > Anyway that's not really a complaint, I just find this funny. > I'm happy if you love this. (seriously) > > BUT when you are talking about GPL like you would talk about your > religion I find it outrageaous. > > GPL is a game. A fun game yes...But it's not a religion or a god's > creation. > > I have read some posts of people who are ACTUALLY HAPPY that GP3 is or > will not be better than GPL. That's so ridiculous. > > Like you have to protect your game from a new threat (menace?). NOOO > don't even replace MY GPL.. No please no more progress , no more new > sims...LONG LIVE TO GPL. hehe > > Anyway GP3 is not even concurrent...It's a modern F1 sim, with > pit-stop strategies, weather, etc... It's really not the same type of > game so no need to protect YOUR GPL from this newcomer. > > Relax ;) > >

I love GPL and yet i've been defending GP3. Also I wanted and expected GP3 to be fantastic, and I'm seriously dissapointed that it didn't reach my expectations. Also my expectation were nothing to do with how good or otherwise GPL is, but rather based on the respect I had for the talents of Geoff Crammond. GP3 is a very good game, and lots of fun. Check out vroc to see people actually racing GPL every day. :)

Hi xoc455 (silly name BTW) GPL isn't a matter of life or death or religion...it's MUCH more important than that ;0). Every GPL fan would love GP3 to be as good, if not better, than GPL. Cheers xoc455 wrote:

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> > Sorry for my english, I hope it's understandable enough :) > > You guys are funny . > > How much posts we read each single day about someone who shits in his > pants cause he's too happy with his new lap record. > > Each time this makes me laugh. > > Do you guys race sometimes ? Or are you only "hotlapping" ? > > Anyway that's not really a complaint, I just find this funny. > I'm happy if you love this. (seriously) > > BUT when you are talking about GPL like you would talk about your > religion I find it outrageaous. > > GPL is a game. A fun game yes...But it's not a religion or a god's > creation. > > I have read some posts of people who are ACTUALLY HAPPY that GP3 is or > will not be better than GPL. That's so ridiculous. > > Like you have to protect your game from a new threat (menace?). NOOO > don't even replace MY GPL.. No please no more progress , no more new > sims...LONG LIVE TO GPL. hehe > > Anyway GP3 is not even concurrent...It's a modern F1 sim, with > pit-stop strategies, weather, etc... It's really not the same type of > game so no need to protect YOUR GPL from this newcomer. > > Relax ;)

"Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8li4f2$os2$[email hidden]... > I feel the same, I must be one of the few who stil enjoys Sportscar GT and > TOCA2, hell I even had a blast on ICR2 the other night and it beat GPL for > overall enjoyment. > Well, if you've any of my comments on the subject you'll know that I'm no big fan of SCGT, and never was. It's still on my HD though and the recent arrival of cars like the 917/K, 512, and mini keep it there. I spend far more time with ICR2 though, and fire it up a least a couple of times a week. It's a kick. I want an upgrade. I'd be happy if it were 'only' a graphics upgrade. Not for fifty bucks though. About twenty sounds right.

In article <[email hidden]>, xoc455 <[email hidden]> wrote: >Sorry for my english, I hope it's understandable enough :) > >You guys are funny . > >How much posts we read each single day about someone who shits in his >pants cause he's too happy with his new lap record. I'm a big fan of GPL and most of what makes GPL tick for me is that it gives me a real feeling of achievement in many ways. The feeling can come when I get a certain corner just right or catch a big slide or better my time at some track. No other car sim gives me this feeling, but I'm eagerly waiting for something to come up that does. -Juha -- //[email hidden]

Yeah, but it keeps us off the street. We'd be a lot more dangerous there...8^). J. P. Hovercraft xoc455 wrote:

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> Sorry for my english, I hope it's understandable enough :) > > You guys are funny . > > How much posts we read each single day about someone who shits in his > pants cause he's too happy with his new lap record. > > Each time this makes me laugh. > > Do you guys race sometimes ? Or are you only "hotlapping" ? > > Anyway that's not really a complaint, I just find this funny. > I'm happy if you love this. (seriously) > > BUT when you are talking about GPL like you would talk about your > religion I find it outrageaous. > > GPL is a game. A fun game yes...But it's not a religion or a god's > creation. > > I have read some posts of people who are ACTUALLY HAPPY that GP3 is or > will not be better than GPL. That's so ridiculous. > > Like you have to protect your game from a new threat (menace?). NOOO > don't even replace MY GPL.. No please no more progress , no more new > sims...LONG LIVE TO GPL. hehe > > Anyway GP3 is not even concurrent...It's a modern F1 sim, with > pit-stop strategies, weather, etc... It's really not the same type of > game so no need to protect YOUR GPL from this newcomer. > > Relax ;)

True, with such an embarrassment of riches in place one would have to choose carefully, but: - if they were all GPL-quality it would be easier for the accomplished GPL driver to adapt to the different formulae, therefore "shortcutting" the learning curve (except for bikes...). - variety is the spice of life, so if you got "stuck" in one sim you could put it aside and have something equally rewarding to drive instead for a while. But, you've got a point... what if I rephrased to " ...racing simulation fans will drive anything that's properly simulated at the moment ('cos we're desperate!! ;-)). Jan. =--- David Buttery wrote...

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> <snip> > > I fail to believe that *anybody* would have exactly > the same amount of time for GPL, a GPL-quality modern > F1 sim, a GPL-quality BTCC sim, a GPL-quality CART > sim, a GPL-quality sportscar sim, a GPL-quality truck > racing sim and a GPL-quality bike sim. > > Everyone has their favourite types of motorsport. > -- > David. (GPLRank handicap: -2.05) > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, > really." > (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Great post Peter. Jan. =--- Peter Ives wrote...

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> <snip> > I think I've heard a saying that goes something like 'It's easier for a > poor person to put up with their situation than it is for a rich person > to live as a poor person.' > > In effect, after playing the richness of GPL and then trying another > poorly done sim it often feels very much the same. <good stuff snipped>

You hardly miss an opportunity, don't you Andre? -LOL ;-) Agree though, it's not the other games are not worth playing, they just don't quite acchieve the same level of input/reward. Jan. =--- Andre Warringa wrote... > <snip> > What a classic post Peter, this should be in the GPL FAQ.. posted on > every sim board... read and understood by David G. Fisher...

On Tue 25 Jul 2000 07:24:06pm, Jan Verschueren wrote: <snip> >- variety is the spice of life, so if you got "stuck" in one sim you >could put it aside and have something equally rewarding to drive >instead for a while. Totally agree. Even if GP3 were fantastic, I'd still play GPL, because I happen to very much like that era of Formula 1. And there's Spa, the Ring etc, of course. >But, you've got a point... what if I rephrased to " ...racing >simulation fans will drive anything that's properly simulated at the >moment ('cos we're desperate!! ;-)). Yep. Sounds much more like it ;-) -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -2.05) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

On Mon 24 Jul 2000 08:22:17pm, Jan Verschueren wrote: <snip> >the common mistake of associating the liking of a particular >game with it's subjectmatter. This may be the case for the casual >racers (I have heard people spurn NFS:PU because they don't like >Porsches), but racing simulation fans will drive anything that's >properly simulated.<snip> I fail to believe that *anybody* would have exactly the same amount of time for GPL, a GPL-quality modern F1 sim, a GPL-quality BTCC sim, a GPL-quality CART sim, a GPL-quality sportscar sim, a GPL-quality truck racing sim and a GPL-quality bike sim. Everyone has their favourite types of motorsport. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -2.05) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

>I have read some posts of people who are ACTUALLY HAPPY that GP3 is or >will not be better than GPL. That's so ridiculous. I challenge you to find any posts that actually say that. :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

I Fart in your general direction. . xoc455 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Sorry for my english, I hope it's understandable enough :) > > You guys are funny . > > How much posts we read each single day about someone who shits in his > pants cause he's too happy with his new lap record. > > Each time this makes me laugh. > > Do you guys race sometimes ? Or are you only "hotlapping" ? > > Anyway that's not really a complaint, I just find this funny. > I'm happy if you love this. (seriously) > > BUT when you are talking about GPL like you would talk about your > religion I find it outrageaous. > > GPL is a game. A fun game yes...But it's not a religion or a god's > creation. > > I have read some posts of people who are ACTUALLY HAPPY that GP3 is or > will not be better than GPL. That's so ridiculous. > > Like you have to protect your game from a new threat (menace?). NOOO > don't even replace MY GPL.. No please no more progress , no more new > sims...LONG LIVE TO GPL. hehe > > Anyway GP3 is not even concurrent...It's a modern F1 sim, with > pit-stop strategies, weather, etc... It's really not the same type of > game so no need to protect YOUR GPL from this newcomer. > > Relax ;) > >

I Fart in your general direction. .

Great post Peter. Jan. =---

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>Sorry for my english, I hope it's understandable enough :) > >You guys are funny . > >How much posts we read each single day about someone who shits in his >pants cause he's too happy with his new lap record. > >Each time this makes me laugh. > >Do you guys race sometimes ? Or are you only "hotlapping" ? > >Anyway that's not really a complaint, I just find this funny. >I'm happy if you love this. (seriously) > >BUT when you are talking about GPL like you would talk about your >religion I find it outrageaous. > >GPL is a game. A fun game yes...But it's not a religion or a god's >creation. > >I have read some posts of people who are ACTUALLY HAPPY that GP3 is >or >will not be better than GPL. That's so ridiculous. > >Like you have to protect your game from a new threat (menace?). NOOO >don't even replace MY GPL.. No please no more progress , no more new >sims...LONG LIVE TO GPL. hehe > >Anyway GP3 is not even concurrent...It's a modern F1 sim, with >pit-stop strategies, weather, etc... It's really not the same type of >game so no need to protect YOUR GPL from this newcomer. > >Relax ;) > >

I think I've heard a saying that goes something like 'It's easier for a poor person to put up with their situation than it is for a rich person to live as a poor person.' In effect, after playing the richness of GPL and then trying another poorly done sim it often feels very much the same. Those that get excited about GPL and extoll its virtues have seen what is possible when it comes to driver feedback and handling and they don't want to return to the poor imitations that continually turn up claiming to be the new promised land, only to find that they have been let down once again. However, not everyone is able to get into GPL or is given the opportunity to discover its delights. Many will just think it is just plain too difficult, haven't got the time to get used to it or just don't even want to bother with it in the first place. I would imagine that you fall into one of these camps. But for those who have been able to, once they finally discover what it has to offer, it is like a breath of fresh air in comparison to everything that has gone before. To them it is that something new and wonderful that they have been searching for unknown in simland and as a result they can become quite excited and enthusiastic about the whole thing. That is why you still see these posts about someone who has just improved their laptimes. Because they have been able to sense the potential that GPL has to offer and there is a real sense of achievement, that all that hard work and effort is finally paying off. So I don't begrudge these people their moment. They have probably worked long and hard to achieve it and, as a result, want to share this achievement with those that they feel will understand - their peers. Sure you could say we are just playing a game, but the guys here are not your common or garden casual driving sim players. They are much more dedicated to this genre and put much more time into it than most and are therefore more emotionally involved and serious about the whole scene than your casual gamer. So when something new comes out - in this case GP3 - they are going to want to compare it to what has gone before and are going to be more outspoken about what they have to say. That's why we come to ras isn't it? -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:13:37 +0100, Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I think I've heard a saying that goes something like 'It's easier for a >poor person to put up with their situation than it is for a rich person >to live as a poor person.' > >In effect, after playing the richness of GPL and then trying another >poorly done sim it often feels very much the same. Those that get >excited about GPL and extoll its virtues have seen what is possible when >it comes to driver feedback and handling and they don't want to return >to the poor imitations that continually turn up claiming to be the new >promised land, only to find that they have been let down once again.

<snip> What a classic post Peter, this should be in the GPL FAQ.. posted on every sim board... read and understood by David G. Fisher... I can understand the reactions from the none-GPL players: There you have those crazy GPL fanatics again.. a new perfect sim comes out, and all they can say is 'It's no GPL'! But you made perfectly clear how it's like when you truly understand the beauty of GPL: Everything else just seems like a step backwards. I have fun with GP3, even with all it's faults and letdowns, and allthough I still can't get the warez version working with my V2, I will still buy it Friday. Just like I enjoy and have bought F1WGP, RC2000 and F1 2000. They are fun games/sims, but simply can't be compared with GPL. Andre

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, xoc455<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >I have read some posts of people who are ACTUALLY HAPPY that GP3 is or > >will not be better than GPL. That's so ridiculous. > Where? Prove it. > Hi Eldred Read between the lines. The real test of GP3 is if people will be playing it instead of GPL. I don't know how this will turn out, and I would have thought it's too early too say. I eventually took GP2 of my computer and kept GPL. I don't play GPL much now because I find it too difficult and too frustrating. I also don't think it is reaIistic in that it's too difficult to stay on the road, but then let's not reopen that one.... I remember when GPL came out anybody who dared to criticise it was flamed (mainly by those who are currently enjoying slagging off GP3). I criticised GPL because it didn't have enough options to make it accessible. It would have been easy to implement a few of the options which gave GP2 wide appeal. Whatever the arguments, GP3 will be a massive commercial success although I concede that GC's reputation has now been tarnished. Lawrence

In article <[email hidden]>, xoc455 <[email hidden]> writes: >BUT when you are talking about GPL like you would talk about your >religion I find it outrageaous. > >GPL is a game. A fun game yes...But it's not a religion or a god's >creation. >I'm an atheist... >I have read some posts of people who are ACTUALLY HAPPY that GP3 is or >will not be better than GPL. That's so ridiculous. Where? Prove it. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Exactly....hell let me say that again...EXACTLY. Well Said. PAPA DOC

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>In effect, after playing the richness of GPL and then trying another >poorly done sim it often feels very much the same. Those that get >excited about GPL and extoll its virtues have seen what is possible when >it comes to driver feedback and handling and they don't want to return >to the poor imitations that continually turn up claiming to be the new >promised land, only to find that they have been let down once again. >-- >Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) > >No person's opinions can be said to be >more correct than another's, because each is >the sole judge of his or her own experience.

writes: I'm an atheist... Where? Prove it. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Jan Hovius wrote: > snip > I was really hoping for GPL killer but GP3 sure isn't and that's > disappointing. Hmm, why do you want a GPL killer? I just want to have a great sim of classic F1 and a great sim of modern F1. And it looks very much like I'll be having both come Friday. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

On Thu 27 Jul 2000 10:09:17am, Loosay2 wrote: <snip> > I admire GPL for it's genre leading physics, >but it is not as much fun compared to Viper or MCM2 or SCGT or Gran >Tourismo, great physics does not make for a complete package in the >"fun" department, and for me "fun" is the bottom line on videogames.<snip> >Too each his own. I personally hate Opera singing , >and much prefer Pop music, but that does not mean that Opera singing >is inferior. A modern F1 sim with a great physics model will not >have cars that feel like GPL, and one can enjoy or hate either game >without being wrong, it's just a matter of preference. Good heavens above! A sensible point of view on r.a.s - what is the world coming to? I completely disagree with you on one point - I find GPL more fun than anything else, arcade or sim, I've played thus far. But I entirely agree that different people have different preferences. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -3.01) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

> >I have read some posts of people who are ACTUALLY HAPPY that GP3 is or > >will not be better than GPL. That's so ridiculous. I am... I would have spent many hours on something people all of a sudden wouldnt care about anymore.. thats no good.

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>How much posts we read each single day about someone who shits in his >pants cause he's too happy with his new lap record. > >Each time this makes me laugh. > >Do you guys race sometimes ? Or are you only "hotlapping" ? > >Anyway that's not really a complaint, I just find this funny. >I'm happy if you love this. (seriously) > >BUT when you are talking about GPL like you would talk about your >religion I find it outrageaous. > >GPL is a game. A fun game yes...But it's not a religion or a god's >creation. > >I have read some posts of people who are ACTUALLY HAPPY that GP3 is or >will not be better than GPL. That's so ridiculous. > >Like you have to protect your game from a new threat (menace?). NOOO >don't even replace MY GPL.. No please no more progress , no more new >sims...LONG LIVE TO GPL. hehe > >Anyway GP3 is not even concurrent...It's a modern F1 sim, with >pit-stop strategies, weather, etc... It's really not the same type of >game so no need to protect YOUR GPL from this newcomer. > >Relax ;)

You are mostly correct IMHO. It is human nature, principally among males, to become strongly identified and associated with things they love or enjoy. Some people will come to blows over ford versus chevy or mustang versus camaro,football versus baseball,Harleys versus japanese bikes, RPG versus anygame thats not RPG, etc. I find myself doing that sometimes. I admire GPL for it's genre leading physics, but it is not as much fun compared to Viper or MCM2 or SCGT or Gran Tourismo, great physics does not make for a complete package in the "fun" department, and for me "fun" is the bottom line on videogames. The more I hear some GPL lovers denigrate games that are not even on the market yet, makes me think that they will, for the forseeable future, hold GPL up as the standard which cannot be exceeded, partly because no one else will likely ever make another racing sim quite like GPL. F1 sims and Nascar sims will come along with more faithful physics models at some point, but they cannot be better than GPL if GPL is your standard for near perfection, and you expect your skills at GPL to make you an automatic ace at GP3 or N4 or whatever, and conclude that they must have bad physics if they don't feel like GPL. There should be some similarities in "feel", but there should be numerous differences beween different racing sims. Some people will prefer 60's racers like GPL even when a more accurate sim comes along portraying modern cars, simply because their heart belongs to their first love , GPL, with all of it's virtues and quirky slippery handling cars. Too each his own. I personally hate Opera singing , and much prefer Pop music, but that does not mean that Opera singing is inferior. A modern F1 sim with a great physics model will not have cars that feel like GPL, and one can enjoy or hate either game without being wrong, it's just a matter of preference. > > > > >

"Loosay2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > You are mostly correct IMHO. It is human nature, principally among males,to > become strongly identified and associated with things they love or enjoy.Some > people will come to blows over ford versus chevy or mustang versus > camaro,football versus baseball,Harleys versus japanese bikes, RPG versus > anygame thats not RPG, etc Stir in a good amount of "Alpha Male" behaviour, whereby the one who shouts loudest gets the most attention, and you have a perfect recipe for a r.a.s. "discussion". Stephen

You're probably partly right in the fact that people are hesitant to give up something they had fun with this long and with such devotion but.......you think it's comparing apples and pears but it's not: Even if you forget the era both sims (GPL, GP3) are put in there's so much that's missing in the latter: No internet play, No sound of other cars (if you hear it in real or not, in a sim you need it and it adds to the atmosphere), that stupid "constant-fps but variable time" aproach of the gfx engine (which is probably the reason why GC states that Internet isn't up to online racing, GPL proves him wrong!!!), floating cars, outdated graphics (really doesn't look that much better than GP2). I think GC really started working on GP3 the moment the first screenshots were released last decemer. Can't imagine it took 4 years to evolve from GP2 to this. I was really hoping for GPL killer but GP3 sure isn't and that's disappointing. "Loosay2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >How much posts we read each single day about someone who shits in his > >pants cause he's too happy with his new lap record. > > > >Each time this makes me laugh. > > > >Do you guys race sometimes ? Or are you only "hotlapping" ? > > > >Anyway that's not really a complaint, I just find this funny. > >I'm happy if you love this. (seriously) > > > >BUT when you are talking about GPL like you would talk about your > >religion I find it outrageaous. > > > >GPL is a game. A fun game yes...But it's not a religion or a god's > >creation. > > > >I have read some posts of people who are ACTUALLY HAPPY that GP3 is or > >will not be better than GPL. That's so ridiculous. > > > >Like you have to protect your game from a new threat (menace?). NOOO > >don't even replace MY GPL.. No please no more progress , no more new > >sims...LONG LIVE TO GPL. hehe > > > >Anyway GP3 is not even concurrent...It's a modern F1 sim, with > >pit-stop strategies, weather, etc... It's really not the same type of > >game so no need to protect YOUR GPL from this newcomer. > > > >Relax ;) > > You are mostly correct IMHO. It is human nature, principally among males,

to > become strongly identified and associated with things they love or enjoy.Some > people will come to blows over ford versus chevy or mustang versus > camaro,football versus baseball,Harleys versus japanese bikes, RPG versus > anygame thats not RPG, etc. I find myself doing that sometimes. I admireGPL > for it's genre leading physics, but it is not as much fun compared toViper or > MCM2 or SCGT or Gran Tourismo, great physics does not make for a complete > package in the "fun" department, and for me "fun" is the bottom line on > videogames. The more I hear some GPL lovers denigrate games that are noteven > on the market yet, makes me think that they will, for the forseeablefuture, > hold GPL up as the standard which cannot be exceeded, partly because noone > else will likely ever make another racing sim quite like GPL. > F1 sims and Nascar sims will come along with more faithful physics modelsat > some point, but they cannot be better than GPL if GPL is your standard fornear > perfection, and you expect your skills at GPL to make you an automatic aceat > GP3 or N4 or whatever, and conclude that they must have bad physics ifthey > don't feel like GPL. There should be some similarities in "feel", butthere > should be numerous differences beween different racing sims. Some peoplewill > prefer 60's racers like GPL even when a more accurate sim comes along > portraying modern cars, simply because their heart belongs to their firstlove > , GPL, with all of it's virtues and quirky slippery handling cars. Tooeach his > own. I personally hate Opera singing , and much prefer Pop music, but thatdoes > not mean that Opera singing is inferior. A modern F1 sim with a greatphysics > model will not have cars that feel like GPL, and one can enjoy or hateeither

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> game without being wrong, it's just a matter of preference. > > > > > > > > > > > >

Trust me you have not worked on something no one cares about even if GP3 were better than GPL. I for one am really waiting to see what Solitude has in store for us all! SLG "�artijn" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >> >I have read some posts of people who are ACTUALLY HAPPY that GP3 is or >> >will not be better than GPL. That's so ridiculous. > >I am... I would have spent many hours on something people all of a sudden >wouldnt care about anymore.. thats no good. > >

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Personally I think Religion is a game created by a bunch of moronic losers who had no faith in themselves or reality. So perhaps the people who get excited at their "miracle improvements" are no different to people who worship a god or gods, so don't bring such puerile comparisons into it. ;>) -- Buzzin' Off The Orange Gloved Mosquito VFT CAMS Accredited F3 O3 U3 GPLRank 107.34 PS - never take anything I say too seriously, It'll only add to your confusion!! "Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oQ$[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, xoc455 > <[email hidden]> writes > >Sorry for my english, I hope it's understandable enough :) > > > >You guys are funny . > > > >How much posts we read each single day about someone who shits in his > >pants cause he's too happy with his new lap record. > > > >Each time this makes me laugh. > > > >Do you guys race sometimes ? Or are you only "hotlapping" ? > > > >Anyway that's not really a complaint, I just find this funny. > >I'm happy if you love this. (seriously) > > > >BUT when you are talking about GPL like you would talk about your > >religion I find it outrageaous. > > > >GPL is a game. A fun game yes...But it's not a religion or a god's > >creation. > > > >I have read some posts of people who are ACTUALLY HAPPY that GP3 is > >or > >will not be better than GPL. That's so ridiculous. > > > >Like you have to protect your game from a new threat (menace?). NOOO > >don't even replace MY GPL.. No please no more progress , no more new > >sims...LONG LIVE TO GPL. hehe > > > >Anyway GP3 is not even concurrent...It's a modern F1 sim, with > >pit-stop strategies, weather, etc... It's really not the same type of > >game so no need to protect YOUR GPL from this newcomer. > > > >Relax ;) > > > > > I think I've heard a saying that goes something like 'It's easier for a > poor person to put up with their situation than it is for a rich person > to live as a poor person.' > > In effect, after playing the richness of GPL and then trying another > poorly done sim it often feels very much the same. Those that get > excited about GPL and extoll its virtues have seen what is possible when > it comes to driver feedback and handling and they don't want to return > to the poor imitations that continually turn up claiming to be the new > promised land, only to find that they have been let down once again. > > However, not everyone is able to get into GPL or is given the > opportunity to discover its delights. Many will just think it is just > plain too difficult, haven't got the time to get used to it or just > don't even want to bother with it in the first place. I would imagine > that you fall into one of these camps. > > But for those who have been able to, once they finally discover what it > has to offer, it is like a breath of fresh air in comparison to > everything that has gone before. To them it is that something new and > wonderful that they have been searching for unknown in simland and as a > result they can become quite excited and enthusiastic about the whole > thing. That is why you still see these posts about someone who has just > improved their laptimes. Because they have been able to sense the > potential that GPL has to offer and there is a real sense of > achievement, that all that hard work and effort is finally paying off. > > So I don't begrudge these people their moment. They have probably > worked long and hard to achieve it and, as a result, want to share this > achievement with those that they feel will understand - their peers. > > Sure you could say we are just playing a game, but the guys here are not > your common or garden casual driving sim players. They are much more > dedicated to this genre and put much more time into it than most and are > therefore more emotionally involved and serious about the whole scene > than your casual gamer. > > So when something new comes out - in this case GP3 - they are going to > want to compare it to what has gone before and are going to be more > outspoken about what they have to say. That's why we come to ras isn't > it? > -- > Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) > > No person's opinions can be said to be > more correct than another's, because each is > the sole judge of his or her own experience.