Re: Gp3 read this and feel ashamed

ROTFLMAO...... Jesus I hope MJF2000 never buys an F1 sim : ) Regards Mike On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:48:42 +0100, "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >Snake <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:V9ne5.9390$[email hidden]... > ><snip> >> So how many people can disagree with members of a F1 team? > >Take a trip over to RASF1..... just about everyone there does:-) >

SPOT ON I thinks it's bloody wonderful really playable the car feels so alive it's twitchy and you get a real feeling of acceleration As for the weather truly amazing, I was hotlapping around Silverstone and it started raining on one side of the track and not the other amazing bloody amazing. If it was a race I'd be thinking do I stop, will it dry and is that a barrier I just hit. It's fully met my expectations My only gripe is I have a Saitek R4 wheel that has the padals as buttons 5 and 6 GP3 seems to only recognise 4 hey ho.... Regards Mike On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:07:17 GMT, "Snake" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Wow, theres been a lot of disagreements over this one. >This game final or not runs smooth as silk on my system with everthing >maxing out, thats a pretty good start. >The game has been tested by members of the Arrows team who rate the physics >as "spot on " albeit being a bit generous with grip in wet weather >situations, So how many people can disagree with members of a F1 team ?, >please leave your names then explain how it is you know better than them > cause I could do with a good laugh). >The graphics are not groundbreaking I would give them 7/10 ( but then some >would argue that the weather effects would add 1 more to that) they are >perfectly acceptable. >The A1, holy shit how good does it get, I don`t think much better in my >humble opinion. >Nice simple menu system. Really good loading times which I like a lot. >Hey I could go on all night, but since most people will have stopped reading >this as it hits the mark and probaly touches a nerve in some, I will round >off now. >When I started the game it took a while and some editing of the cards.txt >file to get it sweet, ( Oh and quite a while sorting my Wheel out aswell) >but then the fun began and yes I love the physics and A1 and Framerate the 3 >things that make a sim playable so I am happy. >Well done Geoff, thanks for giving me the best F1 sim out to date. > >Snake. > > >

I'll disagree with whoever I like my friend and I'm not afraid to go on record as doing so. Let's see one of those guys defend that "spot on" statement here. Then I'll run one of their cars into the armco at 70mph and see if it survives without a scratch. <g> Jan. =--- Snake wrote... > <snip> The game has been tested by members of the Arrows team who rate thephysics > as "spot on " albeit being a bit generous with grip in wet weather > situations, So how many people can disagree with members of a F1 team ?, > please leave your names then explain how it is you know better than them > cause I could do with a good laugh). > <snip>

> The game has been tested by members of the Arrows team who rate thephysics > as "spot on " albeit being a bit generous with grip in wet weather > situations, So how many people can disagree with members of a F1 team ?, > please leave your names then explain how it is you know better than them > cause I could do with a good laugh). In the Dutch F1-race preview, they put people into a Hyper running F1-2000. Tom Coronel, with Arrows F1-experience, went in, and commented "this is just incredibly hard, its soo realistic! What a very very very good game, incredibly fantastic" etc etc. Point is: they dont have a clue.

<snip> Take a trip over to RASF1..... just about everyone there does:-)

Snake wrote: > The game has been tested by members of the Arrows team who rate the physics > as "spot on " albeit being a bit generous with grip in wet weather > situations, So how many people can disagree with members of a F1 team ?, > please leave your names then explain how it is you know better than them > cause I could do with a good laugh). I do not want to comment the physics in GP3 either way. Just wanted to point out that F12000 has been done in cooperation with Benetton. With similar blessings for the physics accuracy. Whatever the actual truth is, that kind of "spot on" slogans are for sale and worth crap as information. Unless heard from the team guys first-person, I guess :-) Besides, I can disagree on a LOT of things with certain F1 teams. -lark-

Snake <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:V9ne5.9390$[email hidden]... <snip> > So how many people can disagree with members of a F1 team? Take a trip over to RASF1..... just about everyone there does:-)

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> > Snake <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:V9ne5.9390$[email hidden]... > > <snip> > > So how many people can disagree with members of a F1 team? > > Take a trip over to RASF1..... just about everyone there does:-)

Well, actually most of the time Razzers disagree with FIA. The disagreeing guy depending on whatever disqualification threat "they" have cooked up in conspiracy with (insert rival team here). Except for that one Amitalian who disagrees with everything. Other than Mickey doing pompity pom on the prancing pony. -lark-

Wow, theres been a lot of disagreements over this one. This game final or not runs smooth as silk on my system with everthing maxing out, thats a pretty good start. The game has been tested by members of the Arrows team who rate the physics as "spot on " albeit being a bit generous with grip in wet weather situations, So how many people can disagree with members of a F1 team ?, please leave your names then explain how it is you know better than them cause I could do with a good laugh). The graphics are not groundbreaking I would give them 7/10 ( but then some would argue that the weather effects would add 1 more to that) they are perfectly acceptable. The A1, holy shit how good does it get, I don`t think much better in my humble opinion. Nice simple menu system. Really good loading times which I like a lot. Hey I could go on all night, but since most people will have stopped reading this as it hits the mark and probaly touches a nerve in some, I will round off now. When I started the game it took a while and some editing of the cards.txt file to get it sweet, ( Oh and quite a while sorting my Wheel out aswell) but then the fun began and yes I love the physics and A1 and Framerate the 3 things that make a sim playable so I am happy. Well done Geoff, thanks for giving me the best F1 sim out to date. Snake.

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:07:17 GMT, "Snake" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The game has been tested by members of the Arrows team who rate the physics >as "spot on " albeit being a bit generous with grip in wet weather >situations, So how many people can disagree with members of a F1 team ?, Not I. But just to be clear....are you saying that, according to the game testers from the Arrows team, that the car in GP3 has a bit more grip than a real F1 car would have in wet weather? I remember watching Senna from the in-car cam during a wet practice session at Monoco, and the man scared the hell out of me. He truely was a master in the rain.

"Snake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:V9ne5.9390$[email hidden]... > situations, So how many people can disagree with members of a F1 team ?, > please leave your names then explain how it is you know better than them > cause I could do with a good laugh). Because DUH... There are no G forces in PC racing sims. As such how in the hell can they say that it "feels right". I say "feel this" :-) Every F1 game released recently has had real F1 teams doing similar things giving similar praise. > The graphics are not groundbreaking I would give them 7/10 ( but then some > would argue that the weather effects would add 1 more to that) they are > perfectly acceptable. > The A1, holy shit how good does it get, I don`t think much better in my > humble opinion. > Nice simple menu system. Really good loading times which I like a lot. Did you ever play GP2??? I heard the menu system was identical. > Hey I could go on all night, but since most people will have stoppedreading > this as it hits the mark and probaly touches a nerve in some, I will round > off now. Cheers. -- [email hidden] > When I started the game it took a while and some editing of the cards.txt > file to get it sweet, ( Oh and quite a while sorting my Wheel out aswell) > but then the fun began and yes I love the physics and A1 and Framerate the 3 > things that make a sim playable so I am happy. > Well done Geoff, thanks for giving me the best F1 sim out to date. > > Snake. > > > >

I'd love to compare with you, but it is not quite availabe in stores in the U.S. right now. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends ICQ# 74084566 "Snake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:V9ne5.9390$[email hidden]... > Wow, theres been a lot of disagreements over this one. > This game final or not runs smooth as silk on my system with everthing > maxing out, thats a pretty good start. > The game has been tested by members of the Arrows team who rate the physics > as "spot on " albeit being a bit generous with grip in wet weather > situations, So how many people can disagree with members of a F1 team ?, > please leave your names then explain how it is you know better than them > cause I could do with a good laugh). > The graphics are not groundbreaking I would give them 7/10 ( but then some > would argue that the weather effects would add 1 more to that) they are > perfectly acceptable. > The A1, holy shit how good does it get, I don`t think much better in my > humble opinion. > Nice simple menu system. Really good loading times which I like a lot. > Hey I could go on all night, but since most people will have stopped reading > this as it hits the mark and probaly touches a nerve in some, I will round > off now. > When I started the game it took a while and some editing of the cards.txt > file to get it sweet, ( Oh and quite a while sorting my Wheel out aswell) > but then the fun began and yes I love the physics and A1 and Framerate the 3 > things that make a sim playable so I am happy. > Well done Geoff, thanks for giving me the best F1 sim out to date. > > Snake. > > > >

Thanks for all the input regarding the "spot on " comment I made. Would anyone like to comment on the other points I made in my post , positive or negative. I think F1 2000 is a good attempt but unfortunately its badpoints outweigh it`s good points in my humble opinion. I was one of the guys who posted that I liked it when it first came out. My worry is, how are they going to make it right without redoing a hell of a lot of it . Please, that product ( and I own it myself and enjoy hotlapping on it, thats all it`s good for) was nowhere near fit for release. Gp3 works and is value for money IMHO. With regards to damage I have had a couple of whel losses so far, so there is some there but without playing for afew fullraces etc.. I cannot futher comment at the moment. This game must make some money so it will have to appeal to more than just the hardcore. I like it super realistic but I also enjoy playing, if I had a car which was as reliable as some of the F1 cars in the real world I might only get 2 laps practice and out of the race on first lap in a pile up maybe. Hey Jan, maybe we will be able to edit the damage to make it more realistic ourselves who knows. Cut down on the caffeine :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Snake.

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:07:17 GMT, "Snake" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >The game has been tested by members of the Arrows team who rate the physics >as "spot on " albeit being a bit generous with grip in wet weather >situations, So how many people can disagree with members of a F1 team ?, And you believe everything you read? Novalogic has real pilots test their crap flight-sims too and they say their sims are as real as it gets blah, blah, blah. Anyone with $0.02 of logic knows this is BS. -- Nos

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 16:43:46 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>> The graphics are not groundbreaking I would give them 7/10 ( but then some >> would argue that the weather effects would add 1 more to that) they are >> perfectly acceptable. >> The A1, holy shit how good does it get, I don`t think much better in my >> humble opinion. >> Nice simple menu system. Really good loading times which I like a lot. > >Did you ever play GP2??? I heard the menu system was identical. >

who gives a shit if its the bloody same or not. Why is it sooo important to have a completly new menu system?? GOOD, i dont want to learn a new menu system. Why change something that works perfect. The GP2 menu was exactly the same as the F1GP menu as well, just about. Whats the big deal on menus?? ___________________ Macca "I'd kill myself for you...Id kill you for myself" Pantera - This Love

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:07:17 GMT, "Snake" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The game has been tested by members of the Arrows team who rate the physics >as "spot on " albeit being a bit generous with grip in wet weather >situations, The problem with real life experts is that the have no comparisation as to what other games already have achieved and what a PC is capable of. It's been the same problem with lots of flight simulations who all have one or two real life pilots taking a ride and saying "yeah, that's pretty close" and so on. But as long as that pilot isn't a PC gamer with some experience himself, such statements are not all that valuable and relevant. Blaze

I remember some years ago reading an article in Autosport in which John Cleland and Tim Harvey reviewed the original TOCA 1. They remarked on how realistically the cars handled and what a goob job Codemasters had done. I bought the game on the strength of this. Hehe. Turned out to be total arcade rubbish with steering that pointed the car in the general direction of the turn. MS "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'll disagree with whoever I like my friend and I'm not afraid to go on > record as doing so. > > Let's see one of those guys defend that "spot on" statement here. ThenI'll > run one of their cars into the armco at 70mph and see if it surviveswithout > a scratch. <g> > > Jan. > =--- > Snake wrote... > > <snip> The game has been tested by members of the Arrows team who ratethe

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> physics > > as "spot on " albeit being a bit generous with grip in wet weather > > situations, So how many people can disagree with members of a F1 team ?, > > please leave your names then explain how it is you know better than them > > cause I could do with a good laugh). > > <snip> > >

I wouldn't read too much into the opinions of " people who ought to know " I know it sounds bizarre but to be an expert on analogies eg. photography , hi-fi music reproduction , autos simulators etc you actually need as much experience with the analogy as the real thing , otherwise you are too easily impressed. This is research FACT I'm afraid. For example - modern computer generated effects in movies , they are embarrassingly unrealistic at the moment and will look hopelessly dated in a few years - show a computer generated explosion to a special effects expert and they will be able to criticise , show the same effect to an explosives expert with no special effects knowledge and they will be " that's amazing , exactly like the real thing !" Similarly musicians were amazed by CD sound when it came out - "it's perfect !" , of course the hi-fi manufacturers knew it was anything but perfect , whether or not they'd played a guitar in their lives. Same with GP car drivers. It's not that they are trying to please - they really do think it's realistic - for a computer game. It should be patently obvious to all here that no simulator is anything like the real thing in a number of important areas - G-forces for one , what's really at issue is they get right what can be done - tyre grip , momentum and directional physics etc. I haven't played GP3 and I hope it's anywhere near GPL for physics modelling - but I'll settle for it being a good game. Regards , Bogster ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

> who gives a shit if its the bloody same or not. Why is it sooo > important to have a completly new menu system?? It's the lack of certain things within the menu system that is the problem. Things like tyre temperature measurements on the inner, centre and outer portions of the tyre, camber adjustment and proper diff adjustment, not just low, med and high. MS GOOD, i dont want to > learn a new menu system.A decent menu should not take more than 5 minutes to get to know >Why change something that works perfect. The actual menu, if like GP2 was fine but is it really worth paying �30.00 for 3d graphics, wet races and a few cosmetic changes? I know my answer to this one.

"Macca" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > who gives a shit if its the bloody same or not. Why is it sooo > important to have a completly new menu system?? GOOD, i dont want to Because DUH... He may throw in other shit recycled from his previous releases too. Like when you overload the processor ocupancy to over 100%, you will drive slower in real time but your laptimes will be far quicker. Basicly a cheat... Or you might have shit graphics or only sound from your car or a host of other things. People thought F1 2000 was rushed??? I really have to wonder how much work actually went into GP3. It seems like they just worked on rain effects and ported GP2 to W98. -- [email hidden] > learn a new menu system. Why change something that works perfect. > The GP2 menu was exactly the same as the F1GP menu as well, just > about. > Whats the big deal on menus?? > ___________________ > Macca > "I'd kill myself for you...Id kill you for myself" > Pantera - This Love