Re: OT: F1 mika's plastic seal missing

hi joona yes I know about rec.autos.sport.f1 but I found the discussion here to be more ( believe it or not ) MATURE HERE than there.... :-) your post here being an excellent example. anywhere, engine management as traction control ??? It is a bit far fetched but FIA do have its rules. which I hope to see applied evenly across the board ( to EVERYONE !! ) :-) Joona Vainio <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> * Leong wrote: > > > > Hi > > Hi Leong. This really isn't the right newsgroup for this. You will find > MUCH more enthusiastic "explanations" and "advice" for this kind of > questions in rec.autos.sport.f1 > > But I'll give you a few quick answers. Please direct any followups to > the newsgroup mentioned above. > > > I read the report that mika hakkinen's mclaren > > has a black box with ONE OF THE plastic seal > > missing and therefore he is subject to disqualification > > by FIA. > > Under investigation. The verdict of the stewards will be voiced no > earlier than July 25th and no later than July 26th. > > > What is this plastic seal and why is it important to have > > the plastic seal ? > > It is there to "guarantee" that the engine mapping software has not been > changed after the official FIA pre-race inspection. With illegal > software, one could effectively map the engine for traction control for > example. > > > Did mclaren attempt to explain why the seal is missing > > in the first place? > > Not exactly. Just stated they don't know where the heck it has gone. > > > Mclaren is such a first class outfit, such a thing would not > > be overlooked , My guess is they must have > > done something and therefore could not replace the seal > > or something............... > > Um, do you think they, being a first class outfit, would be stupid > enough to tamper with a seal they knew would be caught missing in a post > race inspection? > > -lark-

Hi I read the report that mika hakkinen's mclaren has a black box with ONE OF THE plastic seal missing and therefore he is subject to disqualification by FIA. What is this plastic seal and why is it important to have the plastic seal ? Did mclaren attempt to explain why the seal is missing in the first place? Mclaren is such a first class outfit, such a thing would not be overlooked , My guess is they must have done something and therefore could not replace the seal or something............... -- Thanks and regards Leong SINGAPORE Email: [email hidden]

* Leong wrote: > What is this plastic seal and why is it important to have > the plastic seal ? This is how the seal look: http://www.gazzetta.it/images/primo_p/varie170700/centrg.jpg The FIA places the seal on the blackbox before the race, and if it's missing at the end of the race, then it means McLaren COULD have changed the software inside the box. Personally I don't think McLaren deliberately removed the seal, but if it's gone we have no way of being sure they didn't change the software within the box... -- Arne Martin

On Sat 22 Jul 2000 07:07:38am, Joona Vainio wrote: >Hi Leong. This really isn't the right newsgroup for this. You will >find MUCH more enthusiastic "explanations" and "advice" for this >kind of questions in rec.autos.sport.f1<snip> Ah, the joys of MJF's reasoned prose... -- David. (GPLRank handicap: +2.68) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

* Leong wrote: > > Hi Hi Leong. This really isn't the right newsgroup for this. You will find MUCH more enthusiastic "explanations" and "advice" for this kind of questions in rec.autos.sport.f1 But I'll give you a few quick answers. Please direct any followups to the newsgroup mentioned above. > I read the report that mika hakkinen's mclaren > has a black box with ONE OF THE plastic seal > missing and therefore he is subject to disqualification > by FIA. Under investigation. The verdict of the stewards will be voiced no earlier than July 25th and no later than July 26th. > What is this plastic seal and why is it important to have > the plastic seal ? It is there to "guarantee" that the engine mapping software has not been changed after the official FIA pre-race inspection. With illegal software, one could effectively map the engine for traction control for example. > Did mclaren attempt to explain why the seal is missing > in the first place? Not exactly. Just stated they don't know where the heck it has gone. > Mclaren is such a first class outfit, such a thing would not > be overlooked , My guess is they must have > done something and therefore could not replace the seal > or something............... Um, do you think they, being a first class outfit, would be stupid enough to tamper with a seal they knew would be caught missing in a post race inspection? -lark-

> Um, do you think they, being a first class outfit, would be stupid > enough to tamper with a seal they knew would be caught missing in a post > race inspection? > > -lark- No but I would also think they, being a first class organization, would know the proper allowable dimensions of the front wing..... dave henrie "

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> > hi joona > > yes I know about rec.autos.sport.f1 > but I found the discussion here to be > more ( believe it or not ) MATURE HERE > than there.... :-)

Depends... I see nothing wrong with some passion for the sport and one's favourite teams and drivers. If you can take the heat... :-) And if you filter out the trolls and other goons, there are plenty of "serious" racing and rules experts in Raz. > your post here being an excellent example. Why, thank you. I do indulge in the occasional silliness with the Raz pals (and mortal enemies ;-), though. > anywhere, engine management as traction > control ??? Yup. Perfectly feasible. As the computer controls the revs anyway, it would be quite easy to program traction control. The trick is to make it so that it isn't obvious. But all (FIA, teams...) seem to agree it can and has been done. Without naming any names. > It is a bit far fetched but FIA do have its rules. > which I hope to see applied evenly across the board > ( to EVERYONE !! ) Fine by me. Remember Sepang 1999... ;-) -lark-

Dave Henrie wrote: > No but I would also think they, being a first class organization, wouldknow > the proper allowable dimensions of the front wing..... > dave henrie Ouch! Somewhere, Ron Dennis winced. :-)

"Joona Vainio" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> * Leong wrote: > > > > Hi > > Hi Leong. This really isn't the right newsgroup for this. You will find > MUCH more enthusiastic "explanations" and "advice" for this kind of > questions in rec.autos.sport.f1

Oh shut up :-) FWIW, I heard that Mclaren was losing it's constructors points for that car, but MK was going to get to keep the points towards his championship... Also, that above mentioned NG totally sucks. When Michael Andretti was in F1, a co worker and I got into a "conversation" with some individuals. It turns out these people worked less that 15 miles from where we worked. We started getting prank phone calls and every thing. There is nothing but a bunch of total psychos in that NG. Yourself included apparently :-) -- [email hidden]

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 09:28:30 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Also, that above mentioned NG totally sucks. When Michael Andretti >was in F1, a co worker and I got into a "conversation" with some >individuals. It turns out these people worked less that 15 miles from >where we worked. We started getting prank phone calls and every >thing. There is nothing but a bunch of total psychos in that NG. >Yourself included apparently :-) Oh how mature to judge the whole group by a single incident years ago. And watch it, there are plenty of rasf1tes reading this NG.

Greg Cisko wrote:

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> > "Joona Vainio" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > questions in rec.autos.sport.f1 > There is nothing but a bunch of total psychos in that NG. > Yourself included apparently :-)

I DO consider that as a courtesy, you know. -lark-