GP3 Reviews

I have a request for all those who will be posting their reviews of GP3 on this board. I would like a couple of other games referenced in your evaluation, specifically F1 2000 and GPL. I don't intend to start a war about whether those games are good or not, I would simply like a reference so I can gauge our different tastes. A simple, "I liked (or didn't like) F1 2000, Love (or hate) GPL," or otherwise would help. That way those of us who either liked or disliked the aforementioned, can weigh each evaluation with some perspective. Thanks, Larry

Larry Hawes <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I have a request for all those who will be posting their reviews of GP3 > on this board. I would like a couple of other games referenced in your > evaluation, specifically F1 2000 and GPL. I don't intend to start a war > about whether those games are good or not, I would simply like a > reference so I can gauge our different tastes. A simple, "I liked (or > didn't like) F1 2000, Love (or hate) GPL," or otherwise would help. That > way those of us who either liked or disliked the aforementioned, can > weigh each evaluation with some perspective.

Somehow I don't think this is the best place you could be if you want an honest review of GP3:-) We all know not many around here will admit to anything beating GPL.....

Yeah, I know what you mean GraDee, so instead of measuring it against GPL if I simply know that someone likes GPL and I do too, then I can gauge a little better if I'll like GP3. Same with F1 2000, which to me had the most diverse opinions on this board. If I know that someone liked F1 2000 and let's say I didn't, then I could see that our tastes our different enough to weigh the review accordingly. Just a thought Larry GraDee wrote:

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> > Larry Hawes <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I have a request for all those who will be posting their reviews of GP3 > > on this board. I would like a couple of other games referenced in your > > evaluation, specifically F1 2000 and GPL. I don't intend to start a war > > about whether those games are good or not, I would simply like a > > reference so I can gauge our different tastes. A simple, "I liked (or > > didn't like) F1 2000, Love (or hate) GPL," or otherwise would help. That > > way those of us who either liked or disliked the aforementioned, can > > weigh each evaluation with some perspective. > > Somehow I don't think this is the best place you could be if you want an > honest review of GP3:-) > We all know not many around here will admit to anything beating GPL.....

> Somehow I don't think this is the best place you could be if you want an > honest review of GP3:-) > We all know not many around here will admit to anything beating GPL..... >Couldn't be more wrong. I think most of us are drooling over the day GPL is knocked off it's position at the top. Think of how good a sim will have to be to do that.... Maybe it will be gp3, maybe WSC, or even N4 or NH...but really...GPL has gotten this rap as being the "be-all, end-all of sims...when really it should be thought of as simply the best sim to be produced as of the Summer of 2000. We are perched on edge of our seats waiting for day when GPL is dethroned. It just hasn't happened yet... "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8l537j$8ui$[email hidden]... > > Larry Hawes <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I have a request for all those who will be posting their reviews of GP3 > >

On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:30:57 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> mangled uncounted electrons thus: >I can guarantee, without fail, that within a month of buying GP3 I'll wheel >out the 1967 car just to enjoy the physics. <grin> Slip-slip slidin' awaaayyy... Martin D. Pay Posting when he should be racing. Or sleeping... ^_^

What's the point? Night follows day. Water is wet. If you're reading this and not hopelessly a NASCAR or CART bigot, you're buying GP3 before the end of July. Right? Michael. "Larry Hawes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I have a request for all those who will be posting their reviews of GP3 > on this board. I would like a couple of other games referenced in your > evaluation, specifically F1 2000 and GPL. I don't intend to start a war > about whether those games are good or not, I would simply like a > reference so I can gauge our different tastes. A simple, "I liked (or > didn't like) F1 2000, Love (or hate) GPL," or otherwise would help. That > way those of us who either liked or disliked the aforementioned, can > weigh each evaluation with some perspective.

>Somehow I don't think this is the best place you could be if you want an >honest review of GP3:-) >We all know not many around here will admit to anything beating GPL..... Once again.... will you ever get it? :-) We all *want* it to beat GPL. If such a sim ever arrives, ras will be a very happy place. People don't admit to anything beating GPL because *nothing has*, and not just because it's GPL. If GP3 is better than GPL we'll all freely admit it. If it's not, we won't... -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

Exasperating, isn't it? <g> Jan. =--- Graeme Nash wrote...

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> > >Somehow I don't think this is the best place you could be if you want an > >honest review of GP3:-) > >We all know not many around here will admit to anything beating GPL..... > > Once again.... will you ever get it? :-) > > We all *want* it to beat GPL. If such a sim ever arrives, ras will be a > very happy place. People don't admit to anything beating GPL because > *nothing has*, and not just because it's GPL. > > If GP3 is better than GPL we'll all freely admit it. If it's not, we > won't... > > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash

Dave, I have said the same thing a dozen times over the past year and a half....but it seems no one is listening. Marc. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3Vqd5.25667$[email hidden]...

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> > Somehow I don't think this is the best place you could be if you want an > > honest review of GP3:-) > > We all know not many around here will admit to anything beating GPL..... > > > Couldn't be more wrong. I think most of us are drooling over > the day GPL is knocked off it's position at the top. Think of how > good a sim will have to be to do that.... Maybe it will be gp3, maybe > WSC, or even N4 or NH...but really...GPL has gotten this rap as > being the "be-all, end-all of sims...when really it should be thought of > as simply the best sim to be produced as of the Summer of 2000. We > are perched on edge of our seats waiting for day when GPL is dethroned.

It

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> just hasn't happened yet... > > "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8l537j$8ui$[email hidden]... > > > > Larry Hawes <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I have a request for all those who will be posting their reviews of

GP3 > > > > >

"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xStd5.1402$[email hidden]... > Dave, I have said the same thing a dozen times over the past year and a > half....but it seems no one is listening. > > Marc. > What? I can't hear you! :) dave henrie

What? I can't hear you! :) dave henrie

Exasperating, isn't it? <g> Jan. =---

My feelings exactly. "Julian Taylor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The thing is they are chalk and cheese to some extent. No matter how muchI > like GPL, after a year or so, you're naturally going to enjoy somethingnew

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> more - if it comes close to the mark - and I think GP3 will - having said > that, I dont think GP3 will enjoy the "crown" for as long as GPL has - its > just not going to be that revolutionary. > Larry Hawes <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I have a request for all those who will be posting their reviews of GP3 > > on this board. I would like a couple of other games referenced in your > > evaluation, specifically F1 2000 and GPL. I don't intend to start a war > > about whether those games are good or not, I would simply like a > > reference so I can gauge our different tastes. A simple, "I liked (or > > didn't like) F1 2000, Love (or hate) GPL," or otherwise would help. That > > way those of us who either liked or disliked the aforementioned, can > > weigh each evaluation with some perspective. > > > > Thanks, > > Larry > >

Larry Hawes <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Yeah, I know what you mean GraDee, so instead of measuring it against > GPL if I simply know that someone likes GPL and I do too, then I can > gauge a little better if I'll like GP3. Same with F1 2000, which to me > had the most diverse opinions on this board. If I know that someone > liked F1 2000 and let's say I didn't, then I could see that our tastes > our different enough to weigh the review accordingly. Just a thought > > Larry

ok, hehehe, As long as it makes sense to you its fine with me:-)

Graeme Nash <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:$[email hidden]...

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> > >Somehow I don't think this is the best place you could be if you want an > >honest review of GP3:-) > >We all know not many around here will admit to anything beating GPL..... > > Once again.... will you ever get it? :-) > > We all *want* it to beat GPL. If such a sim ever arrives, ras will be a > very happy place. People don't admit to anything beating GPL because > *nothing has*, and not just because it's GPL. > > If GP3 is better than GPL we'll all freely admit it. If it's not, we > won't...

hehe, I know what you mean Graeme but I think some sims deserve a little more recognition than they got around here in the last year or so:-) Oh bugger, that am I doing? I'm setting myself up for a right ol' flaming aren't I? :-)

The thing is they are chalk and cheese to some extent. No matter how much I like GPL, after a year or so, you're naturally going to enjoy something new more - if it comes close to the mark - and I think GP3 will - having said that, I dont think GP3 will enjoy the "crown" for as long as GPL has - its just not going to be that revolutionary. Larry Hawes <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I have a request for all those who will be posting their reviews of GP3 > on this board. I would like a couple of other games referenced in your > evaluation, specifically F1 2000 and GPL. I don't intend to start a war > about whether those games are good or not, I would simply like a > reference so I can gauge our different tastes. A simple, "I liked (or > didn't like) F1 2000, Love (or hate) GPL," or otherwise would help. That > way those of us who either liked or disliked the aforementioned, can > weigh each evaluation with some perspective. > > Thanks, > Larry

On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:11:42 +0100, "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Graeme Nash <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:$[email hidden]... >> >> >Somehow I don't think this is the best place you could be if you want an >> >honest review of GP3:-) >> >We all know not many around here will admit to anything beating GPL..... >> >> Once again.... will you ever get it? :-) >> >> We all *want* it to beat GPL. If such a sim ever arrives, ras will be a >> very happy place. People don't admit to anything beating GPL because >> *nothing has*, and not just because it's GPL. >> >> If GP3 is better than GPL we'll all freely admit it. If it's not, we >> won't... > >hehe, I know what you mean Graeme but I think some sims deserve a little >more recognition than they got around here in the last year or so:-)

Nothing stopping you from discussing other sims. If a few selected GPL fans become jerks on that thread, just ignore them. After all, that's no worse than a few selected anti-GPL fans that seem to have this chip on their shoulder about how popular GPL is here. ;) (Sorry if this post rambles a bit, but I'm reacting to some of your other posts of that nature.) >Oh bugger, that am I doing? I'm setting myself up for a right ol' flaming >aren't I? :-) No, I'm here for an adult discussion. One other thing to consider is that this newsgroup tends to bring out the hard-core simmers, and GPL is *the* hard-core sim. People invest a lot of time in GPL, so its hardly surprising that that is what they talk about the most. I've flirted with other sims like SCGT or DTR this year, but they're just a short-term diversion (and thus don't generate much talk from me) compared to the going-on-two-year "full GPL immersion therapy". :) If something better comes along, I'll take a look at it. I'm a bit skeptical about GP3, since I'm not really a Crammond fan (I have GP1 and GP2, but ICR1 stole my heart and I lean more to the Kraemmer school of simming), but I want to hear what people think and may buy it if it sounds good to me. Not really a NASCAR fan, but N4 and NH have potential (again, for me). And WSC looks like it may be the next true successor to GPL, *if* the West Brothers can pull it off. Let's hope so. "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Not if it's junk, like I did with F1 2000. Ended up giving it away and would rather not waste my money again. Michael Young wrote:

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> > What's the point? Night follows day. Water is wet. If you're reading this > and not hopelessly a NASCAR or CART bigot, you're buying GP3 before the end > of July. Right? > > Michael. > > "Larry Hawes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I have a request for all those who will be posting their reviews of GP3 > > on this board. I would like a couple of other games referenced in your > > evaluation, specifically F1 2000 and GPL. I don't intend to start a war > > about whether those games are good or not, I would simply like a > > reference so I can gauge our different tastes. A simple, "I liked (or > > didn't like) F1 2000, Love (or hate) GPL," or otherwise would help. That > > way those of us who either liked or disliked the aforementioned, can > > weigh each evaluation with some perspective.

nope... i not a nascar or cart bigot, just think wings belong on airplanes... back to gpl... Martyn_D will wait and see about GP3, prolly wait til its in the bargain bin tho Michael Young wrote:

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> What's the point? Night follows day. Water is wet. If you're reading this > and not hopelessly a NASCAR or CART bigot, you're buying GP3 before the end > of July. Right? > > Michael. > > "Larry Hawes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I have a request for all those who will be posting their reviews of GP3 > > on this board. I would like a couple of other games referenced in your > > evaluation, specifically F1 2000 and GPL. I don't intend to start a war > > about whether those games are good or not, I would simply like a > > reference so I can gauge our different tastes. A simple, "I liked (or > > didn't like) F1 2000, Love (or hate) GPL," or otherwise would help. That > > way those of us who either liked or disliked the aforementioned, can > > weigh each evaluation with some perspective.

I can guarantee, without fail, that within a month of buying GP3 I'll wheel out the 1967 car just to enjoy the physics. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Julian Taylor <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The thing is they are chalk and cheese to some extent. No matter how much I > like GPL, after a year or so, you're naturally going to enjoy something new > more - if it comes close to the mark - and I think GP3 will - having said > that, I dont think GP3 will enjoy the "crown" for as long as GPL has - its > just not going to be that revolutionary. > Larry Hawes <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I have a request for all those who will be posting their reviews of GP3 > > on this board. I would like a couple of other games referenced in your > > evaluation, specifically F1 2000 and GPL. I don't intend to start a war > > about whether those games are good or not, I would simply like a > > reference so I can gauge our different tastes. A simple, "I liked (or > > didn't like) F1 2000, Love (or hate) GPL," or otherwise would help. That > > way those of us who either liked or disliked the aforementioned, can > > weigh each evaluation with some perspective. > > > > Thanks, > > Larry > >

:-) The physics of the cars of that era or the physics of the game? Michael "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3976fd5c$[email hidden]... > I can guarantee, without fail, that within a month of buying GP3 I'llwheel

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> out the 1967 car just to enjoy the physics. > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > ---------------------------

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The physics of the car in GPL as compared to what the physics of the car shall be in GP3. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Michael Veldman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:K5Md5.40201$[email hidden]... > :-) > > The physics of the cars of that era or the physics of the game? > > Michael > > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3976fd5c$[email hidden]... > > I can guarantee, without fail, that within a month of buying GP3 I'll > wheel > > out the 1967 car just to enjoy the physics. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > [snip] > >

Not necessarily. It might be delayed. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Michael Young <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > What's the point? Night follows day. Water is wet. If you're reading this > and not hopelessly a NASCAR or CART bigot, you're buying GP3 before the end > of July. Right? > > Michael. > > "Larry Hawes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I have a request for all those who will be posting their reviews of GP3 > > on this board. I would like a couple of other games referenced in your > > evaluation, specifically F1 2000 and GPL. I don't intend to start a war > > about whether those games are good or not, I would simply like a > > reference so I can gauge our different tastes. A simple, "I liked (or > > didn't like) F1 2000, Love (or hate) GPL," or otherwise would help. That > > way those of us who either liked or disliked the aforementioned, can > > weigh each evaluation with some perspective. > > >

In article <[email hidden]>, "Michael Young" <[email hidden]> writes: >What's the point? Night follows day. Water is wet. If you're reading this >and not hopelessly a NASCAR or CART bigot, you're buying GP3 before the end >of July. Right? No. It won't be available in the US until late August...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <8l537j$8ui$[email hidden]>, "GraDee" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Larry Hawes <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I have a request for all those who will be posting their reviews of GP3 >> on this board. I would like a couple of other games referenced in your >> evaluation, specifically F1 2000 and GPL. I don't intend to start a war >> about whether those games are good or not, I would simply like a >> reference so I can gauge our different tastes. A simple, "I liked (or >> didn't like) F1 2000, Love (or hate) GPL," or otherwise would help. That >> way those of us who either liked or disliked the aforementioned, can >> weigh each evaluation with some perspective. > >Somehow I don't think this is the best place you could be if you want an >honest review of GP3:-) >We all know not many around here will admit to anything beating GPL.....

Why not? If I like GP3 better, then I like it better. It doesn't matter to me what others would think. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Greg Cisko wrote... > <snip> But if the huge presales numbers are > true, then they will at least brake even... > > There will be allot of pissed off people though. LOL!! -You're on great form Greg... Jan. =---

On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:33:17 +0100, "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Somehow I don't think this is the best place you could be if you want an >honest review of GP3:-) >We all know not many around here will admit to anything beating GPL..... It's not a case of "admit to", it's just that there's nothing around which requires it to be admitted yet. John

No. I am neither a NASCAR fan nor a CART fan, and I will most likely NOT purchase GP3 when it initially goes on sale -- the advanced press is too disappointing, and I won't pay "full price" for this one. This sounds like a $24.99 title at best (I do admit that I haven't pre- ordered it, so I am unaware of what the final retail cost is going to be -- if it hits the shelves at EB for $24.99 - $29.99, I might consider it, but, then again, maybe not). The advanced reviews DO hold water for me -- most warez, beta, or even late alpha titles I've sampled have usually been pretty darn close to the finished product, and I don't have any high expectations for the final version of GP3 based on what we're hearing so far. On the other hand, the warez version of NFSPU was downright "excellent" in my opinion, and the finished version was even better. Everyone who is staunchly defending GP3 needs to consider this as well: If GP3 turns out to NOT be a big money-maker for Hasbro, then that could be the end of racing "sims" as we know it. If Hasbro loses money, then we'll probably never see another racer labeled as a "sim" from them -- and if that happens to Hasbro, then other publishers will probably follow suit (you can almost hear the boardrooms now: "Hey, if Hasbro couldn't make money with an F1 license and that Crammond guy, there's no way we're ever going to consider doing a driving sim!"). Scoff if you want, but this is how "industry trends" get started. Just ask the flight simmers how bleak things can get. If GP3 is anything less than a resounding success, then Crammond may go from "saivor" to "goat" quicker than an F1 car goes from 0-to-60. -- JB In article <[email hidden]>, "Michael Young" <[email hidden]> wrote: > What's the point? Night follows day. Water is wet. If you're readingthis > and not hopelessly a NASCAR or CART bigot, you're buying GP3 beforethe end

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> of July. Right? > > Michael. > > "Larry Hawes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I have a request for all those who will be posting their reviews of

GP3 > > on this board. I would like a couple of other games referenced inyour > > evaluation, specifically F1 2000 and GPL. I don't intend to start awar > > about whether those games are good or not, I would simply like a > > reference so I can gauge our different tastes. A simple, "I liked(or > > didn't like) F1 2000, Love (or hate) GPL," or otherwise would help.That > > way those of us who either liked or disliked the aforementioned, can > > weigh each evaluation with some perspective. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 16:08:30 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Hasbro has been back-pedalling for some years.......the Mircroprose that we >used to know disappeared with Bill Staley. You mean Wild Bill Stealey? He's the guy that probably started MPS on the downward spiral in the first place. Just look at how he handled iMagic for proof. -- Nos

LOL!! -You're on great form Greg... Jan. =---

Oh for christ sake get a grip you people!!!!!!! This is a Warez version being reviewed............ No way of knowing what level of release alpha/beta whatever. The bitmaps used could well be completely different to those shipped on the CD. One person saying FF works the other saying it doesn't........ One says Canned spins the other no canned spins...... Wait 1 whole week and decide on the release version not some cobbled together WAREZ peice of crap!!!!! Peter Cook ACT Australia

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lar1i$9dm$[email hidden]... > Everyone who is staunchly defending GP3 needs to consider this as > well: If GP3 turns out to NOT be a big money-maker for Hasbro, then > that could be the end of racing "sims" as we know it. If Hasbro loses > money, then we'll probably never see another racer labeled as a "sim" > from them -- and if that happens to Hasbro, then other publishers will That would be great. At this point it would be great if they totally folded. After all with all the crap software they are putting out, it seems that is what they want to do.

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> probably follow suit (you can almost hear the boardrooms now: "Hey, if > Hasbro couldn't make money with an F1 license and that Crammond guy, > there's no way we're ever going to consider doing a driving sim!"). > Scoff if you want, but this is how "industry trends" get started. Just > ask the flight simmers how bleak things can get. > > If GP3 is anything less than a resounding success, then Crammond may go > from "saivor" to "goat" quicker than an F1 car goes from 0-to-60.

I am assuming that hasbro/microprose did not give crammond enough resources (be it people or money or time) to do much more than what he did. I don't see this as crammond's fault. I blame the bean counters at hasbro and/or the market in general. But the current market is reeling from a host of canceled games and totally crap games that never sold well. Little do the bean counters realize that more resources for crammond to do a better game would yield *MUCH* higher sales. But if the huge presales numbers are true, then they will at least brake even... There will be allot of pissed off people though. -- [email hidden]

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 16:08:30 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > > >Hasbro has been back-pedalling for some years.......the Mircroprose thatwe > >used to know disappeared with Bill Staley. > > You mean Wild Bill Stealey? He's the guy that probably started MPS on > the downward spiral in the first place. Just look at how he handled > iMagic for proof. When he did the first F15 strike eagles and the first F19 and later the Stealth fighter 2.0 game he was at the top. After Fleet Defender microprose has really started crapping out... And that is why everyone help high hopes for iMagic. There were also the golden years when Andy (of skunkworks fame) worked at MPS. -- [email hidden]

(snip) : If GP3 turns out to NOT be a big money-maker for Hasbro, then that could be the end of racing "sims" as we know it. (unsip) Oh God! Another doomsayer!! Hasbro has been back-pedalling for some years.......the Mircroprose that we used to know disappeared with Bill Staley. If they fold in repsonse to bad sales of GP3 then it's no great shakes. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lar1i$9dm$[email hidden]...

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:33:12 +1000 Peter Cook <[email hidden]> wrote: % Oh for christ sake get a grip you people!!!!!!! Yep, been there done that! This is exactly what the f12k wanna be supporters were saying when the f12k warez crap was flooding r.a.s. Guess what.... the released version wasn't any better..... You get what you get, not what you want (though I do think some folks are capable of deluding themselves). % This is a Warez version being reviewed............ % No way of knowing what level of release alpha/beta whatever. % The bitmaps used could well be completely different to those shipped on the % CD. % One person saying FF works the other saying it doesn't........ % One says Canned spins the other no canned spins...... % Wait 1 whole week and decide on the release version not some cobbled % together WAREZ peice of crap!!!!! % Peter Cook % ACT % Australia -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:01:06 -0500 Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote: oh yes, the blessed saint crammond crap again... I know for a fact that Crammond had plenty of support and resources available to him (and this is from information I had 2 years ago). But Crammond basically wanted to do "his" thing (which he is entitled to). Face it, the emperor has no clothes.... But then again he may not look that bad naked, I am just tired of people going on and on about his new regalia that simply doesn't exist. And I am sure that Crammond is enough of a man to admit that this product you waited years for is what he wanted to give you (not something Hasbro crammed down his throat). As a matter of fact, I would hazard to guess that will get some of the stuff that it is in GP3 because of Hasbro's input... % I am assuming that hasbro/microprose did not give crammond % enough resources (be it people or money or time) to do much % more than what he did. I don't see this as crammond's fault. I % blame the bean counters at hasbro and/or the market in general. % But the current market is reeling from a host of canceled games % and totally crap games that never sold well. Little do the bean % counters realize that more resources for crammond to do a better % game would yield *MUCH* higher sales. But if the huge presales % numbers are true, then they will at least brake even... % There will be allot of pissed off people though. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

"Michael E. Carver" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iWBe5.1370$[email hidden]... > And I am sure that Crammond is enough of a man to admit > that this product you waited years for is what he wanted to give you > (not something Hasbro crammed down his throat). As a matter of fact, I > would hazard to guess that will get some of the stuff that it is in GP3 > because of Hasbro's input... In that case I would say he totally blew it on this one. -- [email hidden]

#Dave, I have said the same thing a dozen times over the past year and a #half....but it seems no one is listening. # #Marc. Try CAPS-LOCK. :) --- Shellfer.