MOMO Vs. TSW

Other than the obvious price difference (and one being FF), how does the MOMO stack up against the TSW in areas of drivability, feel on the track, speed, etc. Thanks

Without answering your question (sorry!), can i suggest you also take a look at the logitech Driving Force Pro? Its what has replaced my BRD (TSW equivalent) wheel here. pez "Jade" <Zipper667d(pl;o)@Yahoo.com> wrote in message news:Q8nOd.4612$[email hidden]...

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> Other than the obvious price difference (and one being FF), how does the > MOMO stack up against the TSW in areas of drivability, feel on the track, > speed, etc. > > Thanks > >

Jade wrote: > Other than the obvious price difference (and one being FF), how does the > MOMO stack up against the TSW in areas of drivability, feel on the track, > speed, etc. > > Thanks I couldnt imagine GTR of Rfactor without Force Feedback. Mitch -- Remove "nospam." to reply. SuSE 9.2 Pro KDE 3.3.2a

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:10:36 GMT, Mitch_A wrote:

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> Jade wrote: > >> Other than the obvious price difference (and one being FF), how does the >> MOMO stack up against the TSW in areas of drivability, feel on the track, >> speed, etc. >> >> Thanks > > I couldnt imagine GTR of Rfactor without Force Feedback. > > Mitch

FF doesn't add anything for me in simracing, it's a distraction more than anything else (but that might be just me). I own a TSW and have tried the Momo several times at a friend's place, and for me the TSW is more "sturdy" and feels more solid, esp. with the ball bearing shaft. Also, the TSW pedals have more travel than the Momo ones which feel kind of "plasticky" for lack of a better term. I might guess the TSW is easier to maintain in the long run, but I have never seen an open Momo. Cheers, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

I haven't owned either, but have driven with them both. I'd say the TSW is, overall, a higher quality system. The Momo certainly didn't seem "cheap", though. Personally, I wouldn't drive w/o FF, but that's because I'll never be a real hotshoe, so simming is more about immersion for me than outright speed. Stuff like FF effects from curbs may slow you down more than impart any useful info about front/rear grip. But dance along on the limit of adhesion in something like RBR and I don't think you'll ever go back :). Kendt

Uwe Schürkamp wrote:

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> On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:10:36 GMT, Mitch_A wrote: >> Jade wrote: >> >>> Other than the obvious price difference (and one being FF), how does the >>> MOMO stack up against the TSW in areas of drivability, feel on the >>> track, speed, etc. >>> >>> Thanks >> >> I couldnt imagine GTR of Rfactor without Force Feedback. >> >> Mitch > > FF doesn't add anything for me in simracing, it's a distraction more > than anything else (but that might be just me). > > I own a TSW and have tried the Momo several times at a friend's place, > and for me the TSW is more "sturdy" and feels more solid, esp. with > the ball bearing shaft. Also, the TSW pedals have more travel than the > Momo ones which feel kind of "plasticky" for lack of a better term. > > I might guess the TSW is easier to maintain in the long run, but I > have never seen an open Momo. > > Cheers, > > uwe > >

I agree Uwe. When I first purchased the Momo Force I was quite unimpressed. But like anything once I got the kinks worked out I like it allot. I never used the stock pedals but they do look pretty cheesy. I had the AL Perf Pedals then went to the ECCI6000 which IMO is about the perfect combo for a quality immersion :) I never cared for the FF in NR2003 and I never tried with GPL but the new titles (GTR, RFactor) the FF seems to be much more than just an "effect" and gives very very good feedback. Just last night in an RFactor race I was thinking what a great tactile feeling it is going over the rumble strips with either left or right side of the car. I could tell which side I was on with a blindfold on, could you with your TSW ;) In fact Id bet I could make it all the way around Toban Short with a blindfold on using just the FF. You can really tell what surface youre on. It may not be perfect yet but its close and every tiny bit of feedback we can get while sitting in front of a monitor is beneficial imvho. Mitch -- Remove "nospam." to reply. SuSE 9.2 Pro KDE 3.3.2a

Yes, and the absolute king of FF is RBR. You haven't played RBR until you've played it with FF. :-))

"Mitch_A" wrote: > Just last night in an RFactor race I was thinking what a great tactile > feeling it is going over the rumble strips with either left or right side > of the car. I could tell which side I was on with a blindfold on, could > you with your TSW ;) In fact Id bet I could make it all the way around > Toban Short with a blindfold on using just the FF. Not recommended online though Mitch :)

Steve Simpson wrote: > Yes, and the absolute king of FF is RBR. You haven't played RBR until > you've played it with FF. :-)) You got me thinkin about RBR again Steve. I hadnt run it since shortly after the demo was released and assumed it would be avaialbe local here in California by now. I guess not eh? I couldnt find one store that ever heard of it, inclding EB and Gamestop. MItch -- Remove "nospam." to reply. SuSE 9.2 Pro KDE 3.3.2a

Jade wrote:

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> Other than the obvious price difference (and one being FF), how does the > MOMO stack up against the TSW in areas of drivability, feel on the track, > speed, etc. > > Thanks > >

I have a MOMO Force and the original TSW wheel (which I've had for about 6 years, IIRC). Here's what I see as their relative strengths and weaknesses: TSW: Good: Easily maintained (ie - replacing pots) Solid as a rock Great Pedals (although I think the design has changed quite a bit on the latest TSW's) Wheel has a nice feel to it Not-so-good: No Force Feedback MOMO Force: Good: Force Feedback (Yes it IS worthwhile in modern sims - especially after some tweaking). 6 assignable buttons on wheel Leather wrap on wheel is very nice. Not-so-good: Pedals really are poor in comparison to TSW -- too little travel After being very happy with my TSW, I found that I wanted FF, so I bought the MOMO. Now, I still have both hooked up to my system. I use the TSW peds thru the gameport and the MOMO wheel thru USB, with sims like GTR, GPL, NR2003, RBR, F1C, etc. Unfortunately, I still have to have the MOMO peds and TSW wheel hooked up to make this work, so it take up a lot of space on the floor. FWIW: I also have used the MOMO Racing. While it is not as solidly built as the MOMO Force, it's FF effects are a bit better out-of-the box IMO. The wheel feels good in the hands (no leather wrap though), but I had a problem with the paddle shifters breaking. (Cheap plastic) I've heard that this issue has since been resolved, though. The MOMO Racing peds are nicer than the MOMO Force's, but still nowhere near TSW's. I hope this helps you in your decision.

"Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... <snip> > FF doesn't add anything for me in simracing, it's a distraction more > than anything else (but that might be just me).<snip> Same here. Appreciate what they're trying to do, but in use it feels unnatural; like a PC peripheral & not a car's steering wheel - which ruins the immersion for me. Interesting to read in the latest AutoSimSport that the developer of the $26,000 Force Dynamics motion simulator tested and ultimately discarded the use of Immersion-based FF devices because they were out of synch with the rest of the physics output due to device latency. Which has long been an issue with current FF technology; I seem to recall Kaemmer, Wests, etc. opining along the same lines over the last few years. SB

BRH wrote: > Unfortunately, I still > have to have the MOMO peds and TSW wheel hooked up to make this work, > so it take up a lot of space on the floor. > You can easily get rid of the momo pedals with this nifty little adapter. :) I suppose you could also use it to connect the TSW pedals directly to the momo wheel (if it's 2 pedals and not 3). http://tytlandsvik.no/momo/ -- Jone Tytlandsvik http://tytlandsvik.no mailto: firstname at lastname dot no