GPL: how make it use the whole screen? not letterbox

I started playing the demo with the d3d patch. The letterbox format is very annoying, is it possible to have it utilize the entire screen and whats the procedure? Also, does the fullgame have a large speedometer (digital i hope) so you can tell how fast you're going? The dashboard meters are unreadable. rms rsquires

[email hidden] (Roger Squires) wrote in <Cxe75.2639$7%[email hidden]>: >I started playing the demo with the d3d patch. The letterbox format >is very annoying, is it possible to have it utilize the entire >screen and whats the procedure? Nope. You can get full width but not full height. 16/9 is what it is. >Also, does the fullgame have a large speedometer (digital i hope) so >you can tell how fast you're going? The dashboard meters are >unreadable. Nope. It's a bitch, but we all deal with it. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -1.90 Come see how you rate, at the GPLRank site http://newgplrank.schuerkamp.de/

Well the letterbox format is employed to represent the wider vs taller view you have when driving, no reason to see all that sky but awfully nice to see to the side. As for the speedo.. it doesn't do anything to help driving, in the game or real life. btw, you might know me......... if you are from/in Boise cyas Roger Squires wrote:

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> I started playing the demo with the d3d patch. The letterbox format is very > annoying, is it possible to have it utilize the entire screen and whats the > procedure? > > Also, does the fullgame have a large speedometer (digital i hope) so you can > tell how fast you're going? The dashboard meters are unreadable. > > rms > rsquires

<snip> Also, does the fullgame have a large speedometer (digital i hope) so you can DIGITAL? You heretic <g> AFAIK, most single seaters don't have speedometers anyway. The instruments on the dash should be the tach' (largest) Oil pressure, temp and fuel pressure. DIGITAL though...<shakes head slowly> -- -Ace-

On Sat 01 Jul 2000 05:34:42am, Roger Squires wrote: >I started playing the demo with the d3d patch. The letterbox format >is very annoying, is it possible to have it utilize the entire >screen and whats the procedure? I have to say, you're probably in a minority about that. The letterbox format is good in two ways: it gives you a more useful view (who cares about what shape the clouds are in a game with no weather? but knowing who's beside you is pretty handy); and secondly, the game is enough of a CPU/gfx card hog already. You *could* make it fill the screen by adjusting your monitor settings, but the aspect ratio would be pretty weird. >Also, does the fullgame have a large speedometer (digital i hope) so >you can tell how fast you're going? The dashboard meters are >unreadable. Ah. One thing you'll have to get used to with GPL is that it is, uncompromisingly, a *simulation* (as we sometimes point out at rather too long a length...). As far as possible, if the 1967 car had something, then so does the GPL car. And 1967 cars didn't have speedos of any kind (in fact, I saw Thierry Boutsen's 1989 Williams recently, and that didn't either). You don't need the speedo - once you get used to the game you do things by RPM, and a significant fraction of that is judged by ear (engine note). When you're in the car (you *are* using the in-car view, I hope), you have the same instruments as Clark, Hill or whoever. This is part of what makes GPL so damn hard, but also part of what makes it so satisfying when you get it right. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: +30.02) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Hmm... I've always wondered about that. I know that you're always going as fast as possible, anyhow, but still... wouldn't it be useful to gauge whether you're carrying the right speed through corners? AFAIK, modern F1 cars do have digital speed readouts, and drivers always mention the exact speeds of corners when describing how they drive a lap, so do they perhaps use their speedometers after all?

Nope. They didn't have digital dashes during the 1967 season. Furthermore most race cars before 1990 didn't even have speedemeters.. You don't need one!

These cars did not have a speedometer so I believe it is in the interest of reality. I have not heard the one about the screen ration but it makes sense. In fact, I got so used to it I fell in love with it and now run NFS PU in letterbox also : )

>>Also, does the fullgame have a large speedometer (digital i hope) so you can >>tell how fast you're going? The dashboard meters are unreadable. >Nope. They didn't have digital dashes during the 1967 season. >Furthermore most race cars before 1990 didn't even have speedemeters.. >You don't need one! It *would* help, though... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

<snip> Why? -- -Ace-

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> >Nope. They didn't have digital dashes during the 1967 season. > >Furthermore most race cars before 1990 didn't even have speedemeters.. > >You don't need one! > > > > It *would* help, though... > > Eldred >

Why? -- -Ace-

In article <8jqku3$cmt$[email hidden]>, "Ace" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I judge my cornering speed by tyre squeal, engine revs, and the car drifting >(or not). I don't care what the MPH is, I'm just wanting to be at the limit. >I don't need to see the speed to know whether or not I'm going as fast as I >can, and neither did the RL drivers of '67. MPH is really only useful for >analysis, which can be done better from replays, rather than while you're >in-car, trying to drive. >-- >-Ace- > >Brett C. Cammack <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:31:35 +0100, "Ace" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> It *would* help, though... >> >> >> >> Eldred >> > >> >Why? >> >-- >> >-Ace- >> >> Because GPL misrepresents speed visually below about 90 MPH? I have >> to use Arcade Mode and review the replays when learning a track just >> to see how fast I was actually going when I went off. >> >> Between about 30 and 70 MPH I cannot tell at all how fast I'm going >> just by looking. I have to judge max cornering speed by learning that >> it's a slow 1st gear corner or a fast 2nd gear corner, etc. >> >

Well then, you're better than I am. On the hairpins, for example, I simply canNOT judge my speed correctly. I usually end up just coasting up to them, then nailing the brakes at the last moment...and STILL end up going too slow... You forget, the real drivers also could feel g-forces acting on their bodies. When I went to Laguna Seca, I didn't have too much of a problem knowing when I was at the limit. On a computer, I have a problem... What speed computer do you have? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <s4185.3558$[email hidden]>, "Michael E. Carver" [email hidden] writes:

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>% It *would* help, though... > >It might appear to help and yes it might allow you to "set in concrete" >a way around a track. However, in reality it would more than likely >hurt in the long run. '67 GP cars were not driven by instrument (ala >air planes), but by the seat of the pants. Once the driver got used to >the gear ratios put in the car, I doubt they even used the tach (they >used their ears). If you try to drive the car by instrument panel, you >won't learn what you really need to know to drive it to its limit and >beyond.

Ok, how do you learn that? Currently, I have problems on the slow corners. I either brake too late, and overcook, or brake too early, and have to accellerate again before the turn. Frustrating. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Txl" <[email hidden]> writes: >Eldred, drive with the outside wiev, you have the speed indicator, helpsme a >lot when exiting the ascari at monza if I'm above 292 then it's looking good >for the straight. > I may try that, just to see what kind of exit speeds I'm getting. Currently, one lap looks like another, and they're ALL slow...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Eldred, drive with the outside wiev, you have the speed indicator, helpsme a lot when exiting the ascari at monza if I'm above 292 then it's looking good for the straight. EldredP <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message : [email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, Speedy Fast > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >>Also, does the fullgame have a large speedometer (digital i hope) so youcan

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> >>tell how fast you're going? The dashboard meters are unreadable. > > > >Nope. They didn't have digital dashes during the 1967 season. > >Furthermore most race cars before 1990 didn't even have speedemeters.. > >You don't need one! > > > > It *would* help, though... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +70.45 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <8jocgi$sch$[email hidden]>, "Ace" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message ><snip> >> >Nope. They didn't have digital dashes during the 1967 season. >> >Furthermore most race cars before 1990 didn't even have speedemeters.. >> >You don't need one! >> > >> >> It *would* help, though... >> >> Eldred >> > >Why? >-- >-Ace-

It would help you know exactly what speed you can negotiate a corner, and assist in consistency. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 02 Jul 2000 16:40:34 GMT EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote: % In article <[email hidden]>, Speedy Fast % <[email hidden]> writes: % >>Also, does the fullgame have a large speedometer (digital i hope) so you can % >>tell how fast you're going? The dashboard meters are unreadable. % > % >Nope. They didn't have digital dashes during the 1967 season. % >Furthermore most race cars before 1990 didn't even have speedemeters.. % >You don't need one! % > % It *would* help, though... It might appear to help and yes it might allow you to "set in concrete" a way around a track. However, in reality it would more than likely hurt in the long run. '67 GP cars were not driven by instrument (ala air planes), but by the seat of the pants. Once the driver got used to the gear ratios put in the car, I doubt they even used the tach (they used their ears). If you try to drive the car by instrument panel, you won't learn what you really need to know to drive it to its limit and beyond. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

On Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:31:35 +0100, "Ace" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>> It *would* help, though... >> >> Eldred > >Why? >-- >-Ace-

Because GPL misrepresents speed visually below about 90 MPH? I have to use Arcade Mode and review the replays when learning a track just to see how fast I was actually going when I went off. Between about 30 and 70 MPH I cannot tell at all how fast I'm going just by looking. I have to judge max cornering speed by learning that it's a slow 1st gear corner or a fast 2nd gear corner, etc. Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL

I judge my cornering speed by tyre squeal, engine revs, and the car drifting (or not). I don't care what the MPH is, I'm just wanting to be at the limit. I don't need to see the speed to know whether or not I'm going as fast as I can, and neither did the RL drivers of '67. MPH is really only useful for analysis, which can be done better from replays, rather than while you're in-car, trying to drive. -- -Ace- Brett C. Cammack <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:31:35 +0100, "Ace" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> It *would* help, though... > >> > >> Eldred > > > >Why? > >-- > >-Ace- > > Because GPL misrepresents speed visually below about 90 MPH? I have > to use Arcade Mode and review the replays when learning a track just > to see how fast I was actually going when I went off. > > Between about 30 and 70 MPH I cannot tell at all how fast I'm going > just by looking. I have to judge max cornering speed by learning that > it's a slow 1st gear corner or a fast 2nd gear corner, etc. > > Regards, > Brett C. Cammack > That's Racing! Motorsports > Pompano Beach, FL

"Brett C. Cammack" wrote:

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> > On Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:31:35 +0100, "Ace" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> It *would* help, though... > >> > >> Eldred > > > >Why? > >-- > >-Ace- > > Because GPL misrepresents speed visually below about 90 MPH? I have > to use Arcade Mode and review the replays when learning a track just > to see how fast I was actually going when I went off. > > Between about 30 and 70 MPH I cannot tell at all how fast I'm going > just by looking. I have to judge max cornering speed by learning that > it's a slow 1st gear corner or a fast 2nd gear corner, etc. >

Funny? That's how I've always done it in every racing sim I've ever played and no matter what speed the corner is. :)

On Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:07:49 +0100, "Ace" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I judge my cornering speed by tyre squeal, engine revs, and the car drifting >(or not). I don't care what the MPH is, I'm just wanting to be at the limit. >I don't need to see the speed to know whether or not I'm going as fast as I >can, and neither did the RL drivers of '67. MPH is really only useful for >analysis, which can be done better from replays, rather than while you're >in-car, trying to drive. I didn't say I used it when racing. I said I found it useful when learning a track. Spinning off the same bloody corner ten or fifteen times until you either give up or get it is rediculous when I can scan a replay or go through it a couple times in arcade view. I cannot tell you how many times I would blow a corner and finally go back to the replay and say "Shit! I was going 70? I thought I was doing about 45!". Then I'd go back in arcade mode, set my entry speed and verify it with a glance at the speed indicator, and if it felt good I'd remember the gear and the revs. After a time or two I'd have that one dicked and go on until I encountered another problem child. I think it's a perfectly reasonable tool to assist you past a problem corner while learning a track. Every one you go to usually has a different gearset, so you can't just have gear/revs permanently engraved in your foreconcious. Once I've learned where the gear and rev ought to be for a corner I don't give a rat's ass about the MPH either (unless comparing/analyzing laps when practicing/training). I do think it's perfectly unreasonable to expect a speedometer plastered to the center of the dash. GPL is a sim and not a game, but I ain't Jim Clark, so sometimes I need help learning a corner or track... Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL

On 03 Jul 2000 21:32:07 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>Well then, you're better than I am. On the hairpins, for example, I simply >canNOT judge my speed correctly. I usually end up just coasting up to them, >then nailing the brakes at the last moment...and STILL end up going too slow... >You forget, the real drivers also could feel g-forces acting on their bodies. >When I went to Laguna Seca, I didn't have too much of a problem knowing when I >was at the limit. On a computer, I have a problem... >What speed computer do you have?

Eldred, at the hairpins I allways use the look left / look right buttons to judge how fast I can take it. It's really usefull, especially when you've got the look left/right buttons on your wheel... Andre > >Eldred

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa > <[email hidden]> writes: > Well, I only have two wheel-mounted buttons. I'm using them for thegearshift. > I'm surprized that the look left/right helps that much. I'm surprizedyou > have time to USE the left/right buttons, while braking, steering,downshifting, > looking for traffic, etc...<g> > > Eldred > -- Try using it on the entrance to Lowe's at Monaco. Looking left as I turn into the hairpin seems to help get a better exit and run down the hill. -- don New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/gpl/index.html

In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> writes:

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>>Well then, you're better than I am. On the hairpins, for example, I simply >>canNOT judge my speed correctly. I usually end up just coasting up to them, >>then nailing the brakes at the last moment...and STILL end up going too >slow... >>You forget, the real drivers also could feel g-forces acting on their >bodies. >>When I went to Laguna Seca, I didn't have too much of a problem knowing when >I >>was at the limit. On a computer, I have a problem... >>What speed computer do you have? > >Eldred, at the hairpins I allways use the look left / look right >buttons to judge how fast I can take it. >It's really usefull, especially when you've got the look left/right >buttons on your wheel... > >Andre >

Well, I only have two wheel-mounted buttons. I'm using them for the gearshift. I'm surprized that the look left/right helps that much. I'm surprized you have time to USE the left/right buttons, while braking, steering, downshifting, looking for traffic, etc...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

It's interesting to me that there are racing series where having a speedometer in the car is literally against the rules. (SCCA Trans-Am) http://www.scca.org http://www.trans-amseries.com/index.html http://www.sccapro.com/00rulebook/index.html Section 25.1 Gauges - Matt

Pick brake markers, any distinguishing feature that you can see reliably, regardless of where traffic is on the track. Shoot for consistency first, the same amount of brake applied at the same rate for that particular turn on that particular track. AFAIK, this is something that really does have to be memorized for every baking point on every track. Once you can hit your markers reliably every time and do consistant laps, you can start adjusting them. Try braking later and harder on a given turn. This is where I think the "seat of the pants" stuff comes in. Tire squeal is probably your best feedback as to how close to the edge you are. Personally, I try to avoid locking the tires at all costs because you sacrifice control, but have been known to do it while trying to outbrake someone. I also try to get ALL the braking done with the car going straight, unless I'm extremely confident in my ability to trailbrake a particular corner. Also Eldred, if you're not using your left foot for braking yet, you gotta get over the hump and start doing that. Keeping a touch of throttle applied while you brake can really help you get through the corners by keeping the suspension loaded up in the right direction. But why am I telling you this? The only tracks I'm doing any better than you are Mosport and Rouen, and you're driving a Cooper at Rouen, you could knock three seconds off there just by switching to the red car. You're plain kicking the crap out of me at the Ring. Got any tips for me? Doug, GPL hcp +96.70 EldredP wrote:

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> > In article <s4185.3558$[email hidden]>, "Michael E. Carver" > [email hidden] writes: > > >% It *would* help, though... > > > >It might appear to help and yes it might allow you to "set in concrete" > >a way around a track. However, in reality it would more than likely > >hurt in the long run. '67 GP cars were not driven by instrument (ala > >air planes), but by the seat of the pants. Once the driver got used to > >the gear ratios put in the car, I doubt they even used the tach (they > >used their ears). If you try to drive the car by instrument panel, you > >won't learn what you really need to know to drive it to its limit and > >beyond. > > Ok, how do you learn that? Currently, I have problems on the slow corners. I > either brake too late, and overcook, or brake too early, and have to > accellerate again before the turn. Frustrating. > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +70.45 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <8jstte$5cd$[email hidden]>, "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa >> <[email hidden]> writes: >> Well, I only have two wheel-mounted buttons. I'm using them for the >gearshift. >> I'm surprized that the look left/right helps that much. I'm surprized >you >> have time to USE the left/right buttons, while braking, steering, >downshifting, >> looking for traffic, etc...<g> >> >> Eldred >> -- > >Try using it on the entrance to Lowe's at Monaco. Looking left as I turn >into the hairpin seems to help get a better exit and run down the hill.

Ok, I'll give it a shot. After all, I don't have to PAY for the damage I do to the Ferrari...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Doug Schneider <[email hidden]> writes: >Pick brake markers, any distinguishing feature that you can see >reliably, regardless of where traffic is on the track. Shoot for >consistency first, the same amount of brake applied at the same rate for >that particular turn on that particular track. AFAIK, this is something >that really does have to be memorized for every baking point on every >track. That's the problem. On the tracks I'm really having problems with, there AREN'T any distinguishing brake markers... This may have to do with my monitor, or the graphic settings that I need to get a good frame rate. If I turn all graphics on, I get @20 fps, IIRC...

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>Once you can hit your markers reliably every time and do >consistant laps, you can start adjusting them. Try braking later and >harder on a given turn. This is where I think the "seat of the pants" >stuff comes in. Tire squeal is probably your best feedback as to how >close to the edge you are. Personally, I try to avoid locking the tires >at all costs because you sacrifice control, but have been known to do it >while trying to outbrake someone. I also try to get ALL the braking >done with the car going straight, unless I'm extremely confident in my >ability to trailbrake a particular corner. Also Eldred, if you're not >using your left foot for braking yet, you gotta get over the hump and >start doing that. Keeping a touch of throttle applied while you brake >can really help you get through the corners by keeping the suspension >loaded up in the right direction.

I'm just not co-ordinated for that yet. I haven't had time for the hours and hours needed to be able to do that. My Cooper league is over now, so I don't have to worry about screwing up any races. That was one main reason I hadn't given it serious effort. I'm *already* slow in my league, why screw it up worse...? >But why am I telling you this? The only tracks I'm doing any better >than you are Mosport and Rouen, and you're driving a Cooper at Rouen, >you could knock three seconds off there just by switching to the red >car. Uh, no I can't. I've use the Ferrari since those times(Rouen, Monaco) were set. I can't beat them yet... I got close at Rouen, but I'm not even within a second at Monaco.

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>You're plain kicking the crap out of me at the Ring. Got any tips >for me? > > Doug, GPL hcp +96.70 > >EldredP wrote: >> >> In article <s4185.3558$[email hidden]>, "Michael E. Carver" >> [email hidden] writes: >> >> >% It *would* help, though... >> > >> >It might appear to help and yes it might allow you to "set in concrete" >> >a way around a track. However, in reality it would more than likely >> >hurt in the long run. '67 GP cars were not driven by instrument (ala >> >air planes), but by the seat of the pants. Once the driver got used to >> >the gear ratios put in the car, I doubt they even used the tach (they >> >used their ears). If you try to drive the car by instrument panel, you >> >won't learn what you really need to know to drive it to its limit and >> >beyond. >> >> Ok, how do you learn that? Currently, I have problems on the slow corners. >I >> either brake too late, and overcook, or brake too early, and have to >> accellerate again before the turn. Frustrating.

-- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I have a PII 450, 128Mb RAM, with twin V2s. I use the ACT LABS force RS, with shifter, but with FF turned off. Get a steady 34-36 FPS even with a full field -- -Ace- EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > Well then, you're better than I am. On the hairpins, for example, I simply > canNOT judge my speed correctly. I usually end up just coasting up to them, > then nailing the brakes at the last moment...and STILL end up going too slow... > You forget, the real drivers also could feel g-forces acting on their bodies. > When I went to Laguna Seca, I didn't have too much of a problem knowing when I > was at the limit. On a computer, I have a problem... > What speed computer do you have? > > Eldred

<snip> > I'm just not co-ordinated for that yet. I haven't had time for the hoursand > hours needed to be able to do that. My Cooper league is over now, so Idon't > have to worry about screwing up any races. That was one main reason Ihadn't > given it serious effort. I'm *already* slow in my league, why screw it up > worse...? > Don't know what pedals you use, but have you tried heel and toeing? This would allow you to squeeze on a bit of power under braking, without your rebel left foot having to get involved. -- -Ace-

Brett C. Cammack <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... <snip> > I think it's a perfectly reasonable tool to assist you past a problem > corner while learning a track. Every one you go to usually has a > different gearset, so you can't just have gear/revs permanently > engraved in your foreconcious. But they're in your *subconscious*, and like working out the braking points, it's part of the learning process... > Once I've learned where the gear and rev ought to be for a corner I > don't give a rat's ass about the MPH either (unless > comparing/analyzing laps when practicing/training). I do think it's > perfectly unreasonable to expect a speedometer plastered to the center > of the dash. GPL is a sim and not a game, but I ain't Jim Clark, so > sometimes I need help learning a corner or track... Well GPL is a sim. If there was a speedometer, people would complain it's unrealistic. You can find your speed from the replay, which is good enough. -- -Ace-

Heel and toeing?!? Isn't that harder to master than just plain old left foot braking? At least for me it was. Of course that was in a little Ford Cortina on the back roads of northern B.C. where screwing up meant possible injury... and I was only 17. I'm not endorsing that behavoir just mentioning that I haven't tried it in a sim but in the real world it makes your brain cramp trying to coordinate shifting, braking, steering and keeping your feet from getting tangled while trying to keep the car out of the weeds or worse yet, the river. Robin "Ace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8k04cp$3ub$[email hidden]... > <snip> > > I'm just not co-ordinated for that yet. I haven't had time for thehours > and > > hours needed to be able to do that. My Cooper league is over now, so I > don't > > have to worry about screwing up any races. That was one main reason I > hadn't > > given it serious effort. I'm *already* slow in my league, why screw itup

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> > worse...? > > > > Don't know what pedals you use, but have you tried heel and toeing? This > would allow you to squeeze on a bit of power under braking, without your > rebel left foot having to get involved. > -- > -Ace- > >

It probably is harder, I've honestly not tried, having always braked with my left foot, (something I learned from karting, I don't drive a car, prefer bikes) but if Eldred really *can't* use that left foot, then it might be worth a go -- -Ace- Robin MacMahon <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:m1O85.27165$[email hidden]... > Heel and toeing?!? Isn't that harder to master than just plain old left foot > braking? At least for me it was. Of course that was in a little Ford Cortina > on the back roads of northern B.C. where screwing up meant possible > injury... and I was only 17. I'm not endorsing that behavoir just mentioning > that I haven't tried it in a sim but in the real world it makes your brain > cramp trying to coordinate shifting, braking, steering and keeping your feet > from getting tangled while trying to keep the car out of the weeds or worse > yet, the river. > Robin > "Ace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8k04cp$3ub$[email hidden]... > > <snip> > > > I'm just not co-ordinated for that yet. I haven't had time for the > hours > > and > > > hours needed to be able to do that. My Cooper league is over now, so I > > don't > > > have to worry about screwing up any races. That was one main reason I > > hadn't > > > given it serious effort. I'm *already* slow in my league, why screw it > up > > > worse...? > > > > > > > Don't know what pedals you use, but have you tried heel and toeing? This > > would allow you to squeeze on a bit of power under braking, without your > > rebel left foot having to get involved. > > -- > > -Ace- > > > > > >

I see what you mean. Since I taught myself to heel and toe while having to use a clutch on my little psuedo rally car left foot braking in a sim seemed easy. A lot easier than first learning the ol' heel/toe dance anyway. Robin "Ace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8k0c75$908$[email hidden]... > It probably is harder, I've honestly not tried, having always braked withmy

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> left foot, (something I learned from karting, I don't drive a car, prefer > bikes) but if Eldred really *can't* use that left foot, then it might be > worth a go > -- > -Ace- > Robin MacMahon <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:m1O85.27165$[email hidden]... > > Heel and toeing?!? Isn't that harder to master than just plain old left > foot > > braking? At least for me it was. Of course that was in a little Ford > Cortina > > on the back roads of northern B.C. where screwing up meant possible > > injury... and I was only 17. I'm not endorsing that behavoir just > mentioning > > that I haven't tried it in a sim but in the real world it makes your

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> > cramp trying to coordinate shifting, braking, steering and keeping your > feet > > from getting tangled while trying to keep the car out of the weeds or > worse > > yet, the river. > > Robin > > "Ace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8k04cp$3ub$[email hidden]... > > > <snip> > > > > I'm just not co-ordinated for that yet. I haven't had time for the > > hours > > > and > > > > hours needed to be able to do that. My Cooper league is over now,

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> > > hadn't > > > > given it serious effort. I'm *already* slow in my league, why screw > it > > up > > > > worse...? > > > > > > > > > > Don't know what pedals you use, but have you tried heel and toeing?

This > > > would allow you to squeeze on a bit of power under braking, withoutyour

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> > > rebel left foot having to get involved. > > > -- > > > -Ace- > > > > > > > > > > > >

In article <8k04cp$3ub$[email hidden]>, "Ace" <[email hidden]> writes:

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><snip> >> I'm just not co-ordinated for that yet. I haven't had time for the hours >and >> hours needed to be able to do that. My Cooper league is over now, so I >don't >> have to worry about screwing up any races. That was one main reason I >hadn't >> given it serious effort. I'm *already* slow in my league, why screw it up >> worse...? >> > >Don't know what pedals you use, but have you tried heel and toeing? This >would allow you to squeeze on a bit of power under braking, without your >rebel left foot having to get involved. >-- >-Ace-

TSW2mod, and no, I haven't tried heel / toeing... There is NO way I could brake full on, and add a *little* power. I just tried it. The pedals aren't built for that... Thanks anyway. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <8k03q7$3gf$[email hidden]>, "Ace" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I have a PII 450, 128Mb RAM, with twin V2s. I use the ACT LABS force RS, >with shifter, but with FF turned off. Get a steady 34-36 FPS even with a >full field >-- >-Ace- >EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >> >> Well then, you're better than I am. On the hairpins, for example, I >simply >> canNOT judge my speed correctly. I usually end up just coasting up to >them, >> then nailing the brakes at the last moment...and STILL end up going too >slow... >> You forget, the real drivers also could feel g-forces acting on their >bodies. >> When I went to Laguna Seca, I didn't have too much of a problem knowing >when I >> was at the limit. On a computer, I have a problem... >> What speed computer do you have? >> >> Eldred

I have a K6-3 400, V3 3000, 128MB ram, no FF wheel. I get full frame rate during practice, and I can turn down some graphics to get full fps in a race. I don't think it's the frame rate... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

It is interesting to me that the letter C is the third letter in the alphabet. - Matt

On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 03:08:57 GMT, "Matthew V. Jessick" <[email hidden]> wrote: >It is interesting to me that the letter C is the third letter in the alphabet. The irony is exquisite, isn't it? (I'm a lot calmer when I'm not being misunderstood, it isn't 5:00 AM and I'm not up with indigestion when I'd rather be asleep... <g>) Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL