Re: Second thoughts about N4 Multiplayer

"David L. Cook" wrote: > > I've been anxiously waiting for N4 for quite a long time like many of you I'm > sure. GPL has (and still is) great fun - and most of all the on-line community > has been a blast to race with as well as to just hang out with on VROC. Everyone > is friendly and helpful and generally the races are clean. I can't remember one > incident where someone has been accused of cheating. Actually, I think I saw cheating on VROC the other night. I had never heard of the guy. The track was Rouen. He posted a 1:47 in practice, and I thought it must be a warp. I started second on the race grid with a 1:57. Usually, if someone warps onto the pole, they are a moving chicane on the start, and you have to be careful to avoid them. On the start, he was gone in a flash. He was not warping and he looked like he was doing a 1:47 pace. Unfortunately, I got nailed in the hairpin, and didn't get a chance to follow him. He posted a fast lap of 1:49 in the race. Enough said. -- Pat Dotson

I've been anxiously waiting for N4 for quite a long time like many of you I'm sure. GPL has (and still is) great fun - and most of all the on-line community has been a blast to race with as well as to just hang out with on VROC. Everyone is friendly and helpful and generally the races are clean. I can't remember one incident where someone has been accused of cheating. GPLRank is a great example. It would be very simple for someone to hack their player.ini file to move up the standings, but even the slowest (including me) have no problem posting their times honestly to see where they stand. As I look down the list it's great to see all the cool people I've raced with over the last year and a half. I hate to generalize, but it seems that the crowd that races N3 is a bit different. Adults find it acceptable to act like children, and accusations of cheating are always flying around. Drivers wanting nothing but to take others out is more usual than unusual in my non league experienc on WON. Just so you know I'm comparing "apples to apples", I have never raced in a league on VROC either. I'm not really sure that I'm looking forward to the on-line experience with N4 the way I see things today. Why should it be necessary to join a league to have fun racing on-line? My schedule is crazy and I've never been able to work out a consistent time that I can get on-line. Here's to hoping that when N4 hits the shelves this fall, some of the VROC crowd will hook up and figure something out in order to keep the level of fun (and maturity) with N4 multiplayer at the same level that it's at now with GPL and VROC. Maybe by then I'll finally be forced into working out that schedule so that something like this can work. Just my thoughts. Thanks for listening... --David Cook

Perhaps there is a different caliber of people on VROC... Since GPL takes some serious practice and concentration to run well (or even to complete consecutive laps without sliding off track <g>), the people on VROC have "earned" their ability to be there. With N3, it's easy for even a kid who doesn't even have their driver's license yet to race. I think it's a factor of the "cost" to get there. It doesn't take much to jump online with N3 and start driving, especially at tracks like Talledega, and this attracts the casual racer. But the casual racer won't put the time and practice into getting good at GPL, so you won't see too many of them on VROC. So you are left with the serious drivers who've put too much time and effort practicing GPL to blow a race because he couldn't hold his line next to another driver, so they make the effort to race clean. Also, I'm sure there's a sense of pride of being able to finish a GPL race, and a sense of accomplishment. I'm proud of myself when I finish a race, and even though I may not have finished very well, I'm proud that I was able to run wheel-to-wheel with the other cars without wrecking or causing a wreck. Now I'm not saying all this to bash N3, because I actually prefer NASCAR to open wheel racing. But I recognize that the physics and the skill required to drive GPL is an order of magnitude higher than that of N3. I do hope that N4's GPL caliber physics will also separate the "men from the boys" and keep the childish intentional wrecking, name calling and arguing with N3 or whatever arcade mode that N4 might have. I know how you feel, as I don't have time to join a league and be ready to race at the same time every week. I would like to be able to jump online and run a good clean race against other humans of comparable skill level from time to time. -- Robert David L. Cook <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I've been anxiously waiting for N4 for quite a long time like many of you I'm > sure. GPL has (and still is) great fun - and most of all the on-line community > has been a blast to race with as well as to just hang out with on VROC. Everyone > is friendly and helpful and generally the races are clean. I can't remember one > incident where someone has been accused of cheating. > > GPLRank is a great example. It would be very simple for someone to hack their > player.ini file to move up the standings, but even the slowest (including me) > have no problem posting their times honestly to see where they stand. As I look > down the list it's great to see all the cool people I've raced with over the last > year and a half. > > I hate to generalize, but it seems that the crowd that races N3 is a bit > different. Adults find it acceptable to act like children, and accusations of > cheating are always flying around. Drivers wanting nothing but to take others > out is more usual than unusual in my non league experienc on WON. Just so you > know I'm comparing "apples to apples", I have never raced in a league on VROC > either. > > I'm not really sure that I'm looking forward to the on-line experience with N4 > the way I see things today. Why should it be necessary to join a league to have > fun racing on-line? My schedule is crazy and I've never been able to work out a > consistent time that I can get on-line. > > Here's to hoping that when N4 hits the shelves this fall, some of the VROC crowd > will hook up and figure something out in order to keep the level of fun (and > maturity) with N4 multiplayer at the same level that it's at now with GPL and > VROC. Maybe by then I'll finally be forced into working out that schedule so > that something like this can work. > > Just my thoughts. Thanks for listening... > > --David Cook

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> > Pat Dotson <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Actually, I think I saw cheating on VROC the other night. > >I had never heard of the guy. > > > >The track was Rouen. He posted a 1:47 in practice,

(clip) > >He posted a fast lap of 1:49 in the race. > > > This happens sometimes. It has to do with the quality of > the connection. Of course we've all seen warp laps. You've really seen two best laps that close together (and that close to being a realistic world record) in one race session? I have never seen anything remotely like that. It seems very unlikely that two warp events so close together could produce those lap times. I mean, it's possible, but statistically it must be easier to get hit by lightning on a cloudless day. Anyway, that's the only thing like that that I have seen on VROC, and people may want to keep their eyes open for more of that type of occurrence. -- Pat Dotson

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>Pat Dotson <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Actually, I think I saw cheating on VROC the other night. >>I had never heard of the guy. >> >>The track was Rouen. He posted a 1:47 in practice, >>and I thought it must be a warp. I started second on >>the race grid with a 1:57. >> >>Usually, if someone warps onto the pole, they are a >>moving chicane on the start, and you have to be careful >>to avoid them. On the start, he was gone in a flash. >>He was not warping and he looked like he was doing a >>1:47 pace. Unfortunately, I got nailed in the hairpin, >>and didn't get a chance to follow him. >> >>He posted a fast lap of 1:49 in the race. >> >>Enough said. > >This happens sometimes. It has to do with the quality of >the connection. > >Remco

Would the 'offending' party even realize this? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +85.99 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Well, Pat I've tried to follow you around Rouen more than once and I would say that anyone who is running 10 seconds faster than you must have some sort of unfair advantage ;) Seriously - that's the first time I've heard of that with GPL. I also realize that there are many sim racer's like yourself who take N3 seriously. I should not have generalized. It will always get you in trouble. You didn't ask for it but I offer my apology to you and any others that might get offended by my statement. --David Cook In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote...

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> > Actually, I think I saw cheating on VROC the other night. > I had never heard of the guy. > > The track was Rouen. He posted a 1:47 in practice, > and I thought it must be a warp. I started second on > the race grid with a 1:57.

Password protected races! You get to race against people you want to race with! buzard "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I've been anxiously waiting for N4 for quite a long time like many of youI'm > sure. GPL has (and still is) great fun - and most of all the on-linecommunity > has been a blast to race with as well as to just hang out with on VROC.Everyone > is friendly and helpful and generally the races are clean. I can'tremember one > incident where someone has been accused of cheating. > > GPLRank is a great example. It would be very simple for someone to hacktheir > player.ini file to move up the standings, but even the slowest (includingme) > have no problem posting their times honestly to see where they stand. AsI look > down the list it's great to see all the cool people I've raced with overthe last > year and a half. > > I hate to generalize, but it seems that the crowd that races N3 is a bit > different. Adults find it acceptable to act like children, andaccusations of > cheating are always flying around. Drivers wanting nothing but to takeothers > out is more usual than unusual in my non league experienc on WON. Just soyou > know I'm comparing "apples to apples", I have never raced in a league onVROC > either. > > I'm not really sure that I'm looking forward to the on-line experiencewith N4 > the way I see things today. Why should it be necessary to join a leagueto have > fun racing on-line? My schedule is crazy and I've never been able to workout a > consistent time that I can get on-line. > > Here's to hoping that when N4 hits the shelves this fall, some of the VROCcrowd > will hook up and figure something out in order to keep the level of fun(and > maturity) with N4 multiplayer at the same level that it's at now with GPLand > VROC. Maybe by then I'll finally be forced into working out that scheduleso > that something like this can work. > > Just my thoughts. Thanks for listening... > > --David Cook

On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:35:04 -0400, "Robert Rathbone" <rrathbon[nospam]@bellsouth.net> wrote: >Perhaps there is a different caliber of people on VROC...<snip>

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>So you are left with the serious drivers who've put too much time and effort practicing >GPL to blow a race because he couldn't hold his line next to another driver, >so they make the effort to race clean. Also, I'm sure there's a sense of >pride of being able to finish a GPL race, and a sense of accomplishment. >I'm proud of myself when I finish a race, and even though I may not have >finished very well, I'm proud that I was able to run wheel-to-wheel with the >other cars without wrecking or causing a wreck.

I must be running pickup races on some other VROC... (ROFL) Actually, there is a noticable difference in cultures between VROC and WON but they are certainly not apples and oranges. VROC gets it's fair share of social miscreants, too. Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL

In my experience with online racing, it really doesn't matter what sim/game you are racing. There's always a group of idiots who ruin races, and there's always a group who you can have a great time with once you find them. I still race some of the same people I started online racing with a few years ago. David G Fisher "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I've been anxiously waiting for N4 for quite a long time like many of youI'm > sure. GPL has (and still is) great fun - and most of all the on-linecommunity > has been a blast to race with as well as to just hang out with on VROC.Everyone > is friendly and helpful and generally the races are clean. I can'tremember one > incident where someone has been accused of cheating. > > GPLRank is a great example. It would be very simple for someone to hacktheir > player.ini file to move up the standings, but even the slowest (includingme) > have no problem posting their times honestly to see where they stand. AsI look > down the list it's great to see all the cool people I've raced with overthe last > year and a half. > > I hate to generalize, but it seems that the crowd that races N3 is a bit > different. Adults find it acceptable to act like children, andaccusations of > cheating are always flying around. Drivers wanting nothing but to takeothers > out is more usual than unusual in my non league experienc on WON. Just soyou > know I'm comparing "apples to apples", I have never raced in a league onVROC > either. > > I'm not really sure that I'm looking forward to the on-line experiencewith N4 > the way I see things today. Why should it be necessary to join a leagueto have > fun racing on-line? My schedule is crazy and I've never been able to workout a > consistent time that I can get on-line. > > Here's to hoping that when N4 hits the shelves this fall, some of the VROCcrowd > will hook up and figure something out in order to keep the level of fun(and > maturity) with N4 multiplayer at the same level that it's at now with GPLand > VROC. Maybe by then I'll finally be forced into working out that scheduleso > that something like this can work. > > Just my thoughts. Thanks for listening... > > --David Cook

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>Actually, I think I saw cheating on VROC the other night. >I had never heard of the guy. > >The track was Rouen. He posted a 1:47 in practice, >and I thought it must be a warp. I started second on >the race grid with a 1:57. > >Usually, if someone warps onto the pole, they are a >moving chicane on the start, and you have to be careful >to avoid them. On the start, he was gone in a flash. >He was not warping and he looked like he was doing a >1:47 pace. Unfortunately, I got nailed in the hairpin, >and didn't get a chance to follow him. > >He posted a fast lap of 1:49 in the race. > >Enough said.

This happens sometimes. It has to do with the quality of the connection. Remco

In my experiences with WON, it's fairly easy to find decent racing, just avoid the multitude Talladega races ;-) I know that sounds sarcastic as hell, but it most generally works. If you can find a group online racing at say Matinsville or Richmond, they are usually a bit more skilled and offer good clean racing. I also find this in Dirt Track Racing. There are a lot of friendly, good racers there as well. On occaison you are bound to run into some fool that wants to wreck. However, for the most part I find the racing on WON to be very good. In my opinion, the "no Talladega" rule will apply even more with NASCAR 4. -Jeff Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

Have you raced N3 online, since raceserver.net has gotten involved? It is worse than your worst possible nightmare, or any bad thing you could imagine about online racing. The difference between N3 online and winVroc is like the difference between an axe murderer and the pope. Same with the people involved. WinVroc is just like you say, the epitamy of what online racing should be, the people in N3 are, well, go there and see for yourself. Childish is too kind a description. Our only hope is that N4 will be too difficult for most of them. N3 sure as hell seems to be..... :) Rik David L. Cook <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I've been anxiously waiting for N4 for quite a long time like many of youI'm > sure. GPL has (and still is) great fun - and most of all the on-linecommunity > has been a blast to race with as well as to just hang out with on VROC.Everyone > is friendly and helpful and generally the races are clean. I can'tremember one > incident where someone has been accused of cheating. > > GPLRank is a great example. It would be very simple for someone to hacktheir > player.ini file to move up the standings, but even the slowest (includingme) > have no problem posting their times honestly to see where they stand. AsI look > down the list it's great to see all the cool people I've raced with overthe last > year and a half. > > I hate to generalize, but it seems that the crowd that races N3 is a bit > different. Adults find it acceptable to act like children, andaccusations of > cheating are always flying around. Drivers wanting nothing but to takeothers > out is more usual than unusual in my non league experienc on WON. Just soyou > know I'm comparing "apples to apples", I have never raced in a league onVROC > either. > > I'm not really sure that I'm looking forward to the on-line experiencewith N4 > the way I see things today. Why should it be necessary to join a leagueto have > fun racing on-line? My schedule is crazy and I've never been able to workout a > consistent time that I can get on-line. > > Here's to hoping that when N4 hits the shelves this fall, some of the VROCcrowd > will hook up and figure something out in order to keep the level of fun(and > maturity) with N4 multiplayer at the same level that it's at now with GPLand > VROC. Maybe by then I'll finally be forced into working out that scheduleso > that something like this can work. > > Just my thoughts. Thanks for listening... > > --David Cook

Ok I've been of r.a.s. a couple weeks for finals, I may be a bit rusty, buy here goes... :) If there was a set of servers created by the r.a.s. community that had a password that changed each week as listed on this server, you would most ;likely only get people that are in to sim racing seriously. Even better having a VROC for N4 that was required to reach these servers would additionally knock down junk racers out there. I never bought Nascar 99 or 3 as they wee just rehashes (I own N1, track pack, N2 as well as that Indycar 1 game that REALLY BLEW me away when I saw it with a Thrustmaster T1 at a computer fair) but I have raced N3 through the demo, as well as the time Atlanta was free on N2 TEN, and while I'm not a fast driver, it seems I can get a really good finishing position, because the talent is so low, and I can avoid wrecks pretty well. So Lets hope we can make N4 work right! David L. Cook <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I've been anxiously waiting for N4 for quite a long time like many of youI'm > sure. GPL has (and still is) great fun - and most of all the on-linecommunity > has been a blast to race with as well as to just hang out with on VROC.Everyone > is friendly and helpful and generally the races are clean. I can'tremember one > incident where someone has been accused of cheating. > > GPLRank is a great example. It would be very simple for someone to hacktheir > player.ini file to move up the standings, but even the slowest (includingme) > have no problem posting their times honestly to see where they stand. AsI look > down the list it's great to see all the cool people I've raced with overthe last > year and a half. > > I hate to generalize, but it seems that the crowd that races N3 is a bit > different. Adults find it acceptable to act like children, andaccusations of > cheating are always flying around. Drivers wanting nothing but to takeothers > out is more usual than unusual in my non league experienc on WON. Just soyou > know I'm comparing "apples to apples", I have never raced in a league onVROC > either. > > I'm not really sure that I'm looking forward to the on-line experiencewith N4 > the way I see things today. Why should it be necessary to join a leagueto have > fun racing on-line? My schedule is crazy and I've never been able to workout a > consistent time that I can get on-line. > > Here's to hoping that when N4 hits the shelves this fall, some of the VROCcrowd > will hook up and figure something out in order to keep the level of fun(and > maturity) with N4 multiplayer at the same level that it's at now with GPLand > VROC. Maybe by then I'll finally be forced into working out that scheduleso > that something like this can work. > > Just my thoughts. Thanks for listening... > > --David Cook

N4 online play is gonna be pathetic if you don't join a high-level league. 75% of the N3 online drivers out there can't handle it's wimpy little physics engine much less N4's which will accurately simulate: 800hp (not the 50hp in N3), actual wheel spin off the corners (not the "slam the gas to the floor" in N3), individual wheel lock-ups, actual realistic body roll (not the "graphic" effect like in N3), etc.... I think I'll stick to the single player aspect of N4 until I can join a high level league. Thanks, Aaron Markham *Kart44* Inaugural Talladega Tournament 2000 Champion #54 FSSRL Online Truck Series #41 RTOS Online Series Weekly competitor at www.ameliamotorraceway.com "David L. Cook" wrote:

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> I've been anxiously waiting for N4 for quite a long time like many of you I'm > sure. GPL has (and still is) great fun - and most of all the on-line community > has been a blast to race with as well as to just hang out with on VROC. Everyone > is friendly and helpful and generally the races are clean. I can't remember one > incident where someone has been accused of cheating. > > GPLRank is a great example. It would be very simple for someone to hack their > player.ini file to move up the standings, but even the slowest (including me) > have no problem posting their times honestly to see where they stand. As I look > down the list it's great to see all the cool people I've raced with over the last > year and a half. > > I hate to generalize, but it seems that the crowd that races N3 is a bit > different. Adults find it acceptable to act like children, and accusations of > cheating are always flying around. Drivers wanting nothing but to take others > out is more usual than unusual in my non league experienc on WON. Just so you > know I'm comparing "apples to apples", I have never raced in a league on VROC > either. > > I'm not really sure that I'm looking forward to the on-line experience with N4 > the way I see things today. Why should it be necessary to join a league to have > fun racing on-line? My schedule is crazy and I've never been able to work out a > consistent time that I can get on-line. > > Here's to hoping that when N4 hits the shelves this fall, some of the VROC crowd > will hook up and figure something out in order to keep the level of fun (and > maturity) with N4 multiplayer at the same level that it's at now with GPL and > VROC. Maybe by then I'll finally be forced into working out that schedule so > that something like this can work. > > Just my thoughts. Thanks for listening... > > --David Cook

ICR2 does not support TCP out of the box. So some tool like GP2link would be needed to convert serial port outputs to IPX or TCP/IP then you can use Kali. Umm, I wonder if GP2link (www.grandprix2.com) will work with ICR2 as is?! You can try it. Jason. Bryon Lape wrote: > All this talk of on-line racing makes me wonder if there is any way to > race via ICR2 on-line. I know several years ago there was a > TCP/IP<-->Novell programme so one could play Doom over the 'net. > -- Jason Monds http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N3, GPL) http://members.home.net/stuff.mondsj/csp - Car Sim Project (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

>Childish is too kind a description. >Our only hope is that N4 will be too difficult for most of them Yeah, hopefully the full 750h.p with wheel spin off the turns will be just a few things too difficult for them to handle. I agree in that calling the N3 racing world "childish" is far too kind. Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

All this talk of on-line racing makes me wonder if there is any way to race via ICR2 on-line. I know several years ago there was a TCP/IP<-->Novell programme so one could play Doom over the 'net. Jeff Downey wrote:

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> In my experiences with WON, it's fairly easy to find decent > racing, just avoid the multitude Talladega races ;-) > > I know that sounds sarcastic as hell, but it most generally > works. If you can find a group online racing at say Matinsville > or Richmond, they are usually a bit more skilled and offer good > clean racing. > > I also find this in Dirt Track Racing. There are a lot of > friendly, good racers there as well. > > On occaison you are bound to run into some fool that wants to > wreck. However, for the most part I find the racing on WON to > be very good. In my opinion, the "no Talladega" rule will apply > even more with NASCAR 4. > > -Jeff > > Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com

On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:35:37 GMT, Bryon Lape <[email hidden]> wrote: >All this talk of on-line racing makes me wonder if there is any way to >race via ICR2 on-line. I know several years ago there was a >TCP/IP<-->Novell programme so one could play Doom over the 'net. I just checked at www.kali.net and they don't list it as a supported game, but maybe nobody has tried before. (hope springs eternal, you know...) Kali has that particular hack to translate IPX to TCP/IP. Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL

Wow, very well put!!!! There IS a VERY big difference between VROC and N3...on VROC, many/most people go by their real names, or at least first names. N3, you get people like "sUpErBoMb6969", "2fst4u" and "Ivan Amanda Hugandkiss". In VROC, yelling and fighting among drivers is VERY, VERY rare. 90% of the people online know that it's really hard to control these cars and, thanks to warp, crap happens. On NASCAR, people try all sorts of moves, and warp is always really nasty since people try to host 30 people on a dialup modem. As a result, the finishing percentage of a field on N3 is much less than most fields on VROC. How about this - maybe not a league but an organization, where you have a trial set up and if it can be proven that you are at least a decent driver and level headed they give you a username and password to a new room for pickup races among quality drivers. And, of course, waive the trial for people who have at least a few good times on GPL, or one good time at The Ring =) (I would have to go for the 'few good times' like at Monza, Glen, and Zandy...) -- Kirk Lane [email hidden] GPLRank: 229.48 ICQ: 28171652 AIM: Kirker64 (IM me twice so I can reply...using a beta client) "The time has come for me to kill this game Now open wide and say my name" - "Space Lord", Monster Magnet Robert Rathbone <rrathbon[nospam]@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:glS35.5897$[email hidden]... > Perhaps there is a different caliber of people on VROC... Since GPL takes > some serious practice and concentration to run well (or even to complete > consecutive laps without sliding off track <g>), the people on VROC have > "earned" their ability to be there. With N3, it's easy for even a kid who > doesn't even have their driver's license yet to race. I think it's a factor > of the "cost" to get there. It doesn't take much to jump online with N3 and > start driving, especially at tracks like Talledega, and this attracts the > casual racer. But the casual racer won't put the time and practice into > getting good at GPL, so you won't see too many of them on VROC. So you are > left with the serious drivers who've put too much time and effort practicing > GPL to blow a race because he couldn't hold his line next to another driver, > so they make the effort to race clean. Also, I'm sure there's a sense of > pride of being able to finish a GPL race, and a sense of accomplishment. > I'm proud of myself when I finish a race, and even though I may not have > finished very well, I'm proud that I was able to run wheel-to-wheel with the > other cars without wrecking or causing a wreck. > > Now I'm not saying all this to bash N3, because I actually prefer NASCAR to > open wheel racing. But I recognize that the physics and the skill required > to drive GPL is an order of magnitude higher than that of N3. I do hope > that N4's GPL caliber physics will also separate the "men from the boys" and > keep the childish intentional wrecking, name calling and arguing with N3 or > whatever arcade mode that N4 might have. > > I know how you feel, as I don't have time to join a league and be ready to > race at the same time every week. I would like to be able to jump online > and run a good clean race against other humans of comparable skill level > from time to time. > > -- > > Robert > > David L. Cook <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I've been anxiously waiting for N4 for quite a long time like many of you > I'm > > sure. GPL has (and still is) great fun - and most of all the on-line > community > > has been a blast to race with as well as to just hang out with on VROC. > Everyone > > is friendly and helpful and generally the races are clean. I can't > remember one > > incident where someone has been accused of cheating. > > > > GPLRank is a great example. It would be very simple for someone to hack > their > > player.ini file to move up the standings, but even the slowest (including > me) > > have no problem posting their times honestly to see where they stand. As > I look > > down the list it's great to see all the cool people I've raced with over > the last > > year and a half. > > > > I hate to generalize, but it seems that the crowd that races N3 is a bit > > different. Adults find it acceptable to act like children, and > accusations of > > cheating are always flying around. Drivers wanting nothing but to take > others > > out is more usual than unusual in my non league experienc on WON. Just so > you > > know I'm comparing "apples to apples", I have never raced in a league on > VROC > > either. > > > > I'm not really sure that I'm looking forward to the on-line experience > with N4 > > the way I see things today. Why should it be necessary to join a league > to have > > fun racing on-line? My schedule is crazy and I've never been able to work > out a > > consistent time that I can get on-line. > > > > Here's to hoping that when N4 hits the shelves this fall, some of the VROC > crowd > > will hook up and figure something out in order to keep the level of fun > (and > > maturity) with N4 multiplayer at the same level that it's at now with GPL > and > > VROC. Maybe by then I'll finally be forced into working out that schedule > so > > that something like this can work. > > > > Just my thoughts. Thanks for listening... > > > > --David Cook > >

Pat Dotson <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Remco Moedt wrote: >> >> Pat Dotson <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Actually, I think I saw cheating on VROC the other night. >> >I had never heard of the guy. >> > >> >The track was Rouen. He posted a 1:47 in practice, >(clip) >> >He posted a fast lap of 1:49 in the race. >> > >> This happens sometimes. It has to do with the quality of >> the connection. > >Of course we've all seen warp laps. You've really >seen two best laps that close together (and that >close to being a realistic world record) in one >race session?

Yep, a few times. Also with people who surely don't cheat, Allan Scott for example. >I have never seen anything remotely like that. It >seems very unlikely that two warp events so close >together could produce those lap times. I mean, >it's possible, but statistically it must be easier >to get hit by lightning on a cloudless day. It's not the typical warp lap, it will be the same every lap. I was once behind a Cooper on Monza in a race who did 1.23 each lap. It's very weird, because on certain areas of the track they skip a part, like 300-400 feet. I don't really know if it's the connection, or the timing between the client and the server, or both. Now the bright side....I'm sure I suffer from this aswell, but then the other way around....I'm so talented, I must be faster then it seems now..... <g> Remco

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: <Snippo> >Would the 'offending' party even realize this? I asked a few, and they all say it felt weird. But they could not explain exactly how it was...problem is, you don't see your laptimes in a race, so you don't know it until the race is over. Remco

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> >>Would the 'offending' party even realize this? > >I asked a few, and they all say it felt weird. But they could >not explain exactly how it was...problem is, you don't >see your laptimes in a race, so you don't know it >until the race is over.

That's one option I wish we had.. The ability to custom tailor our pit boards. Position | Place Driver immediately ahead Driver immediately behind Lap time (or a +,- from your last lap time) There are a whole lot of different combinations I'd like to use.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Remco Moedt) writes:

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>[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > ><Snippo> > >>Would the 'offending' party even realize this? > >I asked a few, and they all say it felt weird. But they could >not explain exactly how it was...problem is, you don't >see your laptimes in a race, so you don't know it >until the race is over. > >Remco

Exactly...that's what worries me. I'd hate to think that I was screwing up someone else's races. But, I've never seen any fast lap times at the end, so at least it's not warping THAT way... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +85.99 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.