F1 2000 / Voodoo 5

Hello everyone! I bought F12K at the weekend and I'm having a problem: I can do Test Days OK, but if I select Quck Race, Grand Prix, or Championship, then the game crashes back to the Windows desktop just after the loading screen (the one with the display of the track and the flashing progress bar at the bottom). After this screen the display goes black, I get a very brief sound effect snippet, then it's back to the desktop. I've tried: * Killing off all other software (except Explorer and Systray) before starting the game. * Removing and re-installing the game. * Shouting at my computer * Software mode * Direct 3D mode * Re-installing my video driver * Running in different resolutions * Closing my eyes and crossing my fingers all without success. Co-incindentally, when I bought the game I also bought a Voodoo 5 5500, so I'm wondering if there's some sort of driver issue. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any newer driver available. Anyone else successfully running F12k with a Voodoo 5 5500? Anyone got any ideas? I getting fed up of driving around that track on my own! Cheers, Dave. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

How about other titles with your V5 5500 ? that's weird coz with F1 2000, the V5 5500 with and without FSAA runs fine (the game sucks.. but) ..no issue, let's say. check the FAQ message in the "SUPPORT Voodoo 5" forum and follow Jarrod's instructions at http://www.3dfxgamers.com/boards.asp?BOID=32&THID=54292&boardsort=lastpost&boardpage=21 Eric http://www.simracingmag.com and http://simracing.com/simracingmag/ [email hidden] wrote:

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> Hello everyone! > > I bought F12K at the weekend and I'm having a problem: I can > do Test Days OK, but if I select Quck Race, Grand Prix, or > Championship, then the game crashes back to the Windows desktop > just after the loading screen (the one with the display of the > track and the flashing progress bar at the bottom). After this > screen the display goes black, I get a very brief sound > effect snippet, then it's back to the desktop. > > I've tried: > * Killing off all other software (except Explorer and Systray) > before starting the game. > * Removing and re-installing the game. > * Shouting at my computer > * Software mode > * Direct 3D mode > * Re-installing my video driver > * Running in different resolutions > * Closing my eyes and crossing my fingers > all without success. > > Co-incindentally, when I bought the game I also bought a > Voodoo 5 5500, so I'm wondering if there's some sort of driver > issue. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any newer driver > available. > > Anyone else successfully running F12k with a Voodoo 5 5500? > Anyone got any ideas? I getting fed up of driving around > that track on my own! > > Cheers, > Dave. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:49:58 -0400, Eric Cote <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >How about other titles with your V5 5500 ? that's weird coz with F1 >2000, the V5 5500 with and without FSAA runs fine (the game sucks.. but) >..no issue, let's say. I think all you people who say F1 2000 sucks are doing potential buyers a great disservice by turning them off something they may really enjoy. Must suck to be you. -- Nos

Do you frankly believe F1 2000 is a good representation of F1 ?? I mean, you think the driving view is like this ? the tracks are accurates ? the physics is accurate ? You also think that the tyre temps goes that high after two laps ? I might not know sims, but I know F1 2000 is wrong http://www.simracingmag.com Eric Nos wrote:

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> On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:49:58 -0400, Eric Cote <[email hidden]> > thus spoke: > > >How about other titles with your V5 5500 ? that's weird coz with F1 > >2000, the V5 5500 with and without FSAA runs fine (the game sucks.. but) > >..no issue, let's say. > > I think all you people who say F1 2000 sucks are doing potential > buyers a great disservice by turning them off something they may > really enjoy. Must suck to be you. > > -- > Nos

"Eric Cote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Do you frankly believe F1 2000 is a good representation of F1 ?? I mean,you > think > the driving view is like this ? the tracks are accurates ? the physics is > accurate ? You also think that the tyre temps goes that high after twolaps ? It is certainly close enough to be a fantastic modern F1 sim. The only sime where the physics *might* be better is GPL. Also because the GPL tracks are so old, their representation in GPL may be off. In fact F1 2000 is most likely closer to the real thing :-) > I might not know sims, but I know F1 2000 is wrong Well good for you!!! > http://www.simracingmag.com So what exactly is this web site? Is it yours? Does it somehow qualify you to have a better opinion? Obviously not. -- [email hidden]

On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:48:09 -0400, Eric Cote <[email hidden]> thus spoke:

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>Do you frankly believe F1 2000 is a good representation of F1 ?? I mean, you >think >the driving view is like this ? the tracks are accurates ? the physics is >accurate ? You also think that the tyre temps goes that high after two laps ? > >I might not know sims, but I know F1 2000 is wrong > >http://www.simracingmag.com

Here's a reality check for you. It's a friggin' game and I don't know of one better F1 sim right now. Yes, I've played them all. It may not be totally accurate, but it doesn't "suck". -- Nos

On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 07:04:57 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: >Anyone else successfully running F12k with a Voodoo 5 5500? >Anyone got any ideas? I getting fed up of driving around >that track on my own! Runs well on my V5-5500. Haven't had any problems (yet) with the V5 and any game I've tried. I know many people don't like F1 2k, but I happen to enjoy it quite a bit. (which means nothing, other than some people do like it ) :-) To me it sounds like you have a sound driver problem with F1 2k. (just a guess of course) Is your sound card using the same IRQ as the V5? Which sound card are you using? Maybe try disabling sound in F12k, and see if you can get it to run? Just some thoughts. Andy Please use [email hidden] for all email replies

In article <[email hidden]>, Eric Cote <[email hidden]> wrote: >Do you frankly believe F1 2000 is a good representation of F1 ?? Me? Yes and no. The physics seems reasonable, though I do think somewhat relaxed (see a previous thread where inertia was discussed and was considered too high in the sim). I do have probs with the AI and framerate... > I mean, you think the driving view is like this ? So many think it is pretty bad. But I don't have a beef with it. Do remember that the in-car views you see in F1 races are placed quite a bit above driver eye level (as was pointed out by the announcer at the 'ring). > the tracks are accurates ? Of the races I've seen this year (well, all), I noticed a key missing curb at Barcelona, the last one (very important) at Imola. Every other sim shows a steep downhill at Casino at Monaco, except F12K (but I couldn't tell well enough from the TV coverage as to who is correct). The tracks generally do appear too narrow, but I can't say for sure. But overall, I think they give a good feel for the courses. I have more of a problem with how the AI drives them. >accurate ? You also think that the tyre temps goes that high after two laps ? I would never have questioned this. I would have expected F1 tires to heat up after a lap, given how hard they are driven. Do you know for a fact that they aren't after two? >I might not know sims, but I know F1 2000 is wrong I think you are not giving yourself enough credit as I think you do know sims. But do you know real F1 enough to say what it should be? I don't. Do I think F12K perfect? Clearly no. But I do think it is the best right now for modern F1. And enjoyable (many warts, and rushed nature, aside).

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> "Eric Cote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Do you frankly believe F1 2000 is a good representation of F1 ?? I mean, > you > > think > > the driving view is like this ? the tracks are accurates ? the physics is > > accurate ? You also think that the tyre temps goes that high after two > laps ? > > It is certainly close enough to be a fantastic modern F1 sim. The > only sime where the physics *might* be better is GPL.

Might ?? are you serious Greg or ?

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> Also because > the GPL tracks are so old, their representation in GPL may be off. > In fact F1 2000 is most likely closer to the real thing :-) > > > I might not know sims, but I know F1 2000 is wrong > > Well good for you!!! > > > http://www.simracingmag.com > > So what exactly is this web site? Is it yours? Does it somehow > qualify you to have a better opinion? Obviously not.

It's mine, yes No.. but i'm proud of it and I do bring my contribution to the "sim" community ohh I presume the AI out of the box in F1 2000 " might" be on par with older sims like GP2, ICR2 ? Since tyre wear/temperature and how it's implemented in F1 2000 are "modeled", does it qualify to be "most likely closer to the real thing" ?? Just curious - Eric > > > -- > > [email hidden]

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> > "Eric Cote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Do you frankly believe F1 2000 is a good representation of F1 ?? I mean, > you > > think > > the driving view is like this ? the tracks are accurates ? the physics is > > accurate ? You also think that the tyre temps goes that high after two > laps ?

snip > > > http://www.simracingmag.com > > So what exactly is this web site? Is it yours? Does it somehow > qualify you to have a better opinion? Obviously not. What qualifies YOU to piss on anybody stating his opinion about this mediocre game called F1 2000! It's bad, it's really bad, so there... l8er ronny -- "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!" "Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.

> What qualifies YOU to piss on anybody stating his opinion about this > mediocre game called F1 2000! > > It's bad, it's really bad, so there... >Oh please, let's have more of these intelligent comments. That's what RAS is all about! Iain

Greg Cisko wrote:

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> > "Ronald Stoehr" wrote > > I stated the points why I don't like F1 2000 before. Of course, I didn't > call > > anybody > > an idiot or troll for stating his opinion about F12k, Greg did. > > I didn't call anyone a troll or an idiot in the post you replied to.

You spent 4 hours a day posting. Who's surprised that you don't remember all of your posts? > > I won't even speculate at what that makes you. Somebody stating his opinion without childish attacks. At your (guessed) age you should be past the "bully phase", should'nt you? -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Hey anybody can put up a website and claim like they know what they are talking about. I just happen to do it without having the website :-) You must not know much about modern F1 then. Great. --

sure... F1 2000 sucks !

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> > If you think I don't know modern F1 ... well big mistake... > Then start acting like it :-) > -- > > Eric > > ex GP2 SPY's website > > > > What qualifies YOU to***on anybody stating his opinion about this > > > > mediocre game called F1 2000! > > > Hey anybody can put up a website and claim like they know > > > what they are talking about. I just happen to do it without having > > > the website :-) > > > > It's bad, it's really bad, so there... > > > You must not know much about modern F1 then. > > > Great. > > > --

Iain Mackenzie wrote:

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> > > What qualifies YOU to piss on anybody stating his opinion about this > > mediocre game called F1 2000! > > > > It's bad, it's really bad, so there... > > > Oh please, let's have more of these intelligent comments. That's what RAS is > all about!

Yeah, I responded to a flame by "fanboy" Greg that wasn't very intelligent either. Didn't you say, it doesn't matter if the tracks are missing 0.5 meters in width? To me that's a very silly statement, as there is a lot more missing in F12k. I stated the points why I don't like F1 2000 before. Of course, I didn't call anybody an idiot or troll for stating his opinion about F12k, Greg did. l8er ronny -- "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!" "Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.

"Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I stated the points why I don't like F1 2000 before. Of course, I didn'tcall > anybody > an idiot or troll for stating his opinion about F12k, Greg did. I didn't call anyone a troll or an idiot in the post you replied to. I won't even speculate at what that makes you. -- [email hidden] > l8er > ronny > > -- > "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!" > "Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.

"Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > What qualifies YOU to piss on anybody stating his opinion about this > mediocre game called F1 2000! Hey anybody can put up a website and claim like they know what they are talking about. I just happen to do it without having the website :-) > It's bad, it's really bad, so there... You must not know much about modern F1 then. Great. -- [email hidden]

> Didn't you say, it doesn't matter if the tracks are missing 0.5 meters inwidth? > To me that's a very silly statement, as there is a lot more missing inF12k. >No, I don't recall ever having said that, but even if I did, your logic in your 2nd sentence escapes me! Iain

If you think I don't know modern F1 ... well big mistake... Eric ex GP2 SPY's website Greg Cisko wrote:

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> "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > What qualifies YOU to piss on anybody stating his opinion about this > > mediocre game called F1 2000! > > Hey anybody can put up a website and claim like they know > what they are talking about. I just happen to do it without having > the website :-) > > > It's bad, it's really bad, so there... > > You must not know much about modern F1 then. > > Great. > > -- > > [email hidden]

"Eric Cote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > If you think I don't know modern F1 ... well big mistake... > Then start acting like it :-) -- [email hidden] > Eric > > ex GP2 SPY's website > > > > Greg Cisko wrote: > > > "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > What qualifies YOU to piss on anybody stating his opinion about this > > > mediocre game called F1 2000! > > > > Hey anybody can put up a website and claim like they know > > what they are talking about. I just happen to do it without having > > the website :-) > > > > > It's bad, it's really bad, so there... > > > > You must not know much about modern F1 then. > > > > Great. > > > > -- > > > > [email hidden] >

sure... F1 2000 sucks ! Greg Cisko wrote:

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> "Eric Cote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > If you think I don't know modern F1 ... well big mistake... > > > > Then start acting like it :-) > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > Eric > > > > ex GP2 SPY's website > > > > > > > > Greg Cisko wrote: > > > > > "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > What qualifies YOU to piss on anybody stating his opinion about this > > > > mediocre game called F1 2000! > > > > > > Hey anybody can put up a website and claim like they know > > > what they are talking about. I just happen to do it without having > > > the website :-) > > > > > > > It's bad, it's really bad, so there... > > > > > > You must not know much about modern F1 then. > > > > > > Great. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > [email hidden] > >

Looking at all the posts up to June 21... I don't know if F1 2000 is a good representation of modern F1 or not. I've never driven an F-1 car, only attended a race a couple of years ago. However, I do know we seem to be doing a great sim of F-1 politics on this board :-) If you hate it (I didn't care for it either), go to http://gametz.com and dump the thing of on somebody else. You may even come out ahead! <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ikgmo$2ga$[email hidden]...

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> Hello everyone! > > I bought F12K at the weekend and I'm having a problem: I can > do Test Days OK, but if I select Quck Race, Grand Prix, or > Championship, then the game crashes back to the Windows desktop > just after the loading screen (the one with the display of the > track and the flashing progress bar at the bottom). After this > screen the display goes black, I get a very brief sound > effect snippet, then it's back to the desktop. > > I've tried: > * Killing off all other software (except Explorer and Systray) > before starting the game. > * Removing and re-installing the game. > * Shouting at my computer > * Software mode > * Direct 3D mode > * Re-installing my video driver > * Running in different resolutions > * Closing my eyes and crossing my fingers > all without success. > > Co-incindentally, when I bought the game I also bought a > Voodoo 5 5500, so I'm wondering if there's some sort of driver > issue. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any newer driver > available. > > Anyone else successfully running F12k with a Voodoo 5 5500? > Anyone got any ideas? I getting fed up of driving around > that track on my own! > > Cheers, > Dave. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Greg, I think you should just leave this guy alone. He is clearly not the full six-pack! Not worth your brain cells replying to this stuff. Iain > sure... F1 2000 sucks ! >

"Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Greg Cisko wrote: > > > > "Ronald Stoehr" wrote > > > I stated the points why I don't like F1 2000 before. Of course, Ididn't

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> > call > > > anybody > > > an idiot or troll for stating his opinion about F12k, Greg did. > > > > I didn't call anyone a troll or an idiot in the post you replied to. > > You spent 4 hours a day posting. Who's surprised that you don't > remember all of your posts?

OK smart ass, show me in this thread where I said the individual in question is a troll or idiot. I am starting to think they may apply to you though :-) > > I won't even speculate at what that makes you. > > Somebody stating his opinion without childish attacks. At your > (guessed) age you should be past the "bully phase", should'nt you? I am. I didn't think I was bullying anyone. Perhaps you might be a little to stressed out over this. My apologies for raising your blood pressure. -- [email hidden]

"Eric Cote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > It is certainly close enough to be a fantastic modern F1 sim. The > > only sime where the physics *might* be better is GPL. > > Might ?? are you serious Greg or ? Might... Yes. F1 2000's physics is way better than people have expected. So it may be as good as GPL's physics. > It's mine, yes > No.. but i'm proud of it and I do bring my contribution to the "sim"community > > ohh I presume the AI out of the box in F1 2000 " might" be on par witholder > sims > like GP2, ICR2 ? Since tyre wear/temperature and how it's implemented inF1 > 2000 are "modeled", does it qualify to be "most likely closer to thereal > thing" ?? Closer to the real thing than the other 2 sims you mentioned? Yes... IMHO. -- [email hidden]