Re: How do you go fast in GPL?

In article <wmL15.89$[email hidden]>, "Roger Walker" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Stick to one track, one car, one setup for 2 weeks, you'll come out of >it, a lot quicker and more consistent than you were going in. Every time >you trade cars and tracks, you are relearning things and not getting >much further along than you were. Sticking to 1 car/1 track, nothing is >changing on you. I think that Steve Smith had it right, don't touch >anything setup wise, until you can do 20 laps in a row all within 1 >second of ech other, with no spins or crashes. You'll find speed at >places on the track, you didn't realise was there, I guarantee it. > >Roger >who isn't fast either

I've done that before. Although I was in a league this year, so I had to run multiple tracks in a different marque. I don't modify setups, because I don't know WTF I'm doing<g>. I could do laps all DAY without spinning or crashing(depending on the setup). The problem comes when I try something different to gain time... :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. 2:12.80 minutes-GPLRank:345 and falling.. Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <D2O15.270$[email hidden]>, "Jim Dombrowski" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote in message <[email hidden]>... > Second, the brakes seem to be an on/off switch. Either the tires are >>squealing from lockup, or the car doesn't slow down enough. > > Have you tried putting something under your brake pedal like a squash ball >or something? I wrapped around the shaft of my brake pedal one of those >foam hand squishing stress reliever things shaped like a star tac cell phone >. It makes contact about the same time the brakes star to grab. It doesn't >need to be allot of resistance when it makes contact, , you just need to be >able to feel the difference. This helped me tremendously with my braking. > > Jim D. >

Nope, haven't tried that. On the TSW2mod pedals, there's no 'ledge' behind the pedal for the ball to push against. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. 2:12.80 minutes-GPLRank:345 and falling.. Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I put a squash ball under my lwff pedals but I think I'll have to make the switch to my chpro's pretty soon. I think a new chair might help me with the left foot braking idea. I use my left foot to balance while I'm driving because my chair is an old spinny office type. Of course I only know how to go slow and I'm not too good at that. christian In article <D2O15.270$[email hidden]>, "Jim Dombrowski" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > EldredP wrote in message <20000614010216.08888.00003109@ng-cf1.aol.com>... > Second, the brakes seem to be an on/off switch. Either the tiresare > >squealing from lockup, or the car doesn't slow down enough. > > Have you tried putting something under your brake pedal like asquash ball > or something? I wrapped around the shaft of my brake pedal one ofthose > foam hand squishing stress reliever things shaped like a star taccell phone > . It makes contact about the same time the brakes star to grab. Itdoesn't > need to be allot of resistance when it makes contact, , you just needto be > able to feel the difference. This helped me tremendously with mybraking. > > Jim D. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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>I ment dont change down WHILE you brake :) > >Troy > > >"Troy Rosenberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:dDF15.60$[email hidden]... >> Eldred, >> An alien once told me when I asked this very same question he gave me >3 >> bits of advise >> >> 1: SLOW BLOODY DOWN >> 2: Use all ALLLLLL of the track and, >> 3: Dont change down at Monaco use the brakes >> >> Now i go slower, fall off more often and get lapped at monaco after 2 laps >> instead of 3 ;) >> (only kiddin im fatser just doing the first two, and i still suck at >Monaco)

Ok, so where do I slow down? I mean, I'm already slower at the entrance, middle, and exit of every corner. How does going even slower help? As far as using all the track - I think I need another monitor. I can't always see the track out point clearly enough... :( And I *still* can't find any markers I can use for a turn-in point... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. 2:12.80 minutes GPLRank:333 and falling.. Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Me again, resident slowpoke.<g> I ran some laps at Watkins Glen tonight. 15 in a Ferrari, 15 in a Lotus. I tried Greger's 1:03.22 Lotus setup. I could only get down to 1:07.36. Comments:first, every time I hit the brakes, the car wants to spin to the right. Second, the brakes seem to be an on/off switch. Either the tires are squealing from lockup, or the car doesn't slow down enough. Third, the car never seems to 'over-rev'. Has anyone else noticed these issues? I've double(triple)-checked my controller callibration(both win95 & GPL), because 2 and 3 sounded like controller issues. And before anyone asks why I'd compare my laps to Greger - it's because I'm able to download both the lap replay AND the setup used to run it. I don't think too many sites have 'mediocre' laps to download...<g> So, how do I find those other 4 seconds? Or even 2? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. 2:12.80 minutes GPLRank:332 and falling.. Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>Hmmm... Good point, upon further thought #1 would be less than 52% and >#2 would be greater than 53% (brake bias). Probable no help but give the >default a try, certainly easier to handle... > 53% is a good brake bias for Watkins Glen I feel. ----------------------------------------- Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited http://simcrash.00game.com

EldredP wrote: > > Me again, resident slowpoke.<g> > I ran some laps at Watkins Glen tonight. 15 in a Ferrari, 15 in a Lotus. I > tried Greger's 1:03.22 Lotus setup. I find the default setup to be best, knock the brake ratio to 52 or 53 percent and leave three gallons in it. So far a 1:05.76. I could only get down to 1:07.36. > Comments:first, every time I hit the brakes, the car wants to spin to the > right. Probable brake bias. Second, the brakes seem to be an on/off switch. Either the tires are > squealing from lockup, or the car doesn't slow down enough. Probable brake bias, again... Third, the car > never seems to 'over-rev'. Has anyone else noticed these issues? I've > double(triple)-checked my controller callibration(both win95 & GPL), because 2 > and 3 sounded like controller issues. Hmmm... Good point, upon further thought #1 would be less than 52% and #2 would be greater than 53% (brake bias). Probable no help but give the default a try, certainly easier to handle...

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote > Comments:first, every time I hit the brakes, the car wants to spin to the > right. Adjust the brake bias a little ;) Technically, I like when Im into the braking zone (the perfect example is the on the backstretch at the Glen) to lock the tyres at the start for a small fraction of a second so I don't lurk to the right. Also especially at that turn, don't downshift too much. You will like to keep the power range at low revs when you start to reaccelerate. The Glen has mostly right turns (the left ones are all but one turns at full power) so it's normal to adjust your setup that way. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

I ment dont change down WHILE you brake :) Troy > Eldred, > An alien once told me when I asked this very same question he gave me 3

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> bits of advise > 1: SLOW ***Y DOWN > 2: Use all ALLLLLL of the track and, > 3: Dont change down at Monaco use the brakes > Now i go slower, fall off more often and get lapped at monaco after 2 laps > instead of 3 ;) > (only kiddin im fatser just doing the first two, and i still suck at

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> Troy > > Me again, resident slowpoke.<g> > > I ran some laps at Watkins Glen tonight. 15 in a Ferrari, 15 in a

Lotus. > I > > tried Greger's 1:03.22 Lotus setup. I could only get down to 1:07.36. > > Comments:first, every time I hit the brakes, the car wants to spin to the > > right. Second, the brakes seem to be an on/off switch. Either the tires

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> are > > squealing from lockup, or the car doesn't slow down enough. Third, the > car > > never seems to 'over-rev'. Has anyone else noticed these issues? I've > > double(triple)-checked my controller callibration(both win95 & GPL), > because 2 > > and 3 sounded like controller issues. > > And before anyone asks why I'd compare my laps to Greger - it's because > I'm > > able to download both the lap replay AND the setup used to run it. I > don't > > think too many sites have 'mediocre' laps to download...<g> > > So, how do I find those other 4 seconds? Or even 2? > > Eldred > > -- > > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPL hcp. 2:12.80 minutes GPLRank:332 and falling.. > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Stick to one track, one car, one setup for 2 weeks, you'll come out of it, a lot quicker and more consistent than you were going in. Every time you trade cars and tracks, you are relearning things and not getting much further along than you were. Sticking to 1 car/1 track, nothing is changing on you. I think that Steve Smith had it right, don't touch anything setup wise, until you can do 20 laps in a row all within 1 second of ech other, with no spins or crashes. You'll find speed at places on the track, you didn't realise was there, I guarantee it. Roger who isn't fast either EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Me again, resident slowpoke.<g> > I ran some laps at Watkins Glen tonight. 15 in a Ferrari, 15 in aLotus. I > tried Greger's 1:03.22 Lotus setup. I could only get down to 1:07.36. > Comments:first, every time I hit the brakes, the car wants to spin tothe > right. Second, the brakes seem to be an on/off switch. Either thetires are > squealing from lockup, or the car doesn't slow down enough. Third,the car > never seems to 'over-rev'. Has anyone else noticed these issues?I've > double(triple)-checked my controller callibration(both win95 & GPL),because 2 > and 3 sounded like controller issues. > > And before anyone asks why I'd compare my laps to Greger - it'sbecause I'm > able to download both the lap replay AND the setup used to run it. Idon't

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> think too many sites have 'mediocre' laps to download...<g> > So, how do I find those other 4 seconds? Or even 2? > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. 2:12.80 minutes GPLRank:332 and falling.. > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then

beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP wrote in message <[email hidden]>... Second, the brakes seem to be an on/off switch. Either the tires are >squealing from lockup, or the car doesn't slow down enough. Have you tried putting something under your brake pedal like a squash ball or something? I wrapped around the shaft of my brake pedal one of those foam hand squishing stress reliever things shaped like a star tac cell phone . It makes contact about the same time the brakes star to grab. It doesn't need to be allot of resistance when it makes contact, , you just need to be able to feel the difference. This helped me tremendously with my braking. Jim D.

Eldred, An alien once told me when I asked this very same question he gave me 3 bits of advise 1: SLOW BLOODY DOWN 2: Use all ALLLLLL of the track and, 3: Dont change down at Monaco use the brakes Now i go slower, fall off more often and get lapped at monaco after 2 laps instead of 3 ;) (only kiddin im fatser just doing the first two, and i still suck at Monaco) Troy "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Me again, resident slowpoke.<g> > I ran some laps at Watkins Glen tonight. 15 in a Ferrari, 15 in a Lotus.I > tried Greger's 1:03.22 Lotus setup. I could only get down to 1:07.36. > Comments:first, every time I hit the brakes, the car wants to spin to the > right. Second, the brakes seem to be an on/off switch. Either the tiresare > squealing from lockup, or the car doesn't slow down enough. Third, thecar > never seems to 'over-rev'. Has anyone else noticed these issues? I've > double(triple)-checked my controller callibration(both win95 & GPL),because 2 > and 3 sounded like controller issues. > > And before anyone asks why I'd compare my laps to Greger - it's becauseI'm > able to download both the lap replay AND the setup used to run it. Idon't

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> think too many sites have 'mediocre' laps to download...<g> > So, how do I find those other 4 seconds? Or even 2? > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. 2:12.80 minutes GPLRank:332 and falling.. > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I ment dont change down WHILE you brake :) Troy "Troy Rosenberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dDF15.60$[email hidden]... > Eldred, > An alien once told me when I asked this very same question he gave me3

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> bits of advise > > 1: SLOW BLOODY DOWN > 2: Use all ALLLLLL of the track and, > 3: Dont change down at Monaco use the brakes > > Now i go slower, fall off more often and get lapped at monaco after 2 laps > instead of 3 ;) > (only kiddin im fatser just doing the first two, and i still suck at

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> > Troy > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Me again, resident slowpoke.<g> > > I ran some laps at Watkins Glen tonight. 15 in a Ferrari, 15 in a

Lotus. > I > > tried Greger's 1:03.22 Lotus setup. I could only get down to 1:07.36. > > Comments:first, every time I hit the brakes, the car wants to spin tothe > > right. Second, the brakes seem to be an on/off switch. Either thetires

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> are > > squealing from lockup, or the car doesn't slow down enough. Third, the > car > > never seems to 'over-rev'. Has anyone else noticed these issues? I've > > double(triple)-checked my controller callibration(both win95 & GPL), > because 2 > > and 3 sounded like controller issues. > > > > And before anyone asks why I'd compare my laps to Greger - it's because > I'm > > able to download both the lap replay AND the setup used to run it. I > don't > > think too many sites have 'mediocre' laps to download...<g> > > So, how do I find those other 4 seconds? Or even 2? > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPL hcp. 2:12.80 minutes GPLRank:332 and falling.. > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

In article <[email hidden]>, MichaelJP <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I think the hardest thing is to try and go faster gradually. You only >need to go very slightly faster, maybe 1-2 mph on each corner to get a >good improvement, especially at a long track like the Ring. > >I do think that everybody has a natural limit they will run up against >though. Naturals like Gregor Huttu have a much higher limit than most >other people. Its the same in all fields of sporting endeavour. Shouldn't >stop us trying though. > >I've reached a wall at 8:19 on the Nurburgring in GPL. I've done >countless laps between 8:19 and 8:23! Very frustrating. > >- Michael

I'd settle for an 8:23... I ran three laps yesterday 9:33.xx, 9:48.xx, 9:43. It was late, so I gave up after that... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. 2:12.80 minutes-GPLRank:329 and falling.. Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <8i8ia2$8ns$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] writes >I put a squash ball under my lwff pedals but I think I'll have to make >the switch to my chpro's pretty soon. I think a new chair might help me >with the left foot braking idea. I use my left foot to balance while >I'm driving because my chair is an old spinny office type. Of course I >only know how to go slow and I'm not too good at that. Hmmm - I have a M$ sidewinder FF wheel. I've not tried using a squash ball yet, mainly because I can't find one! (I know I have some in the house somewhere - just not entirely sure exactly where!) I'll have to try it though - it seems to work for a lot of people. One thing I would like to try out is this 'split-axis' thing. Basically, I'd like to map my accelerator pedal to one axis, and my brake pedal to another, so I can use full travel on both, rather than having them both use the same axis. Anyone know if this is possible to do with the Sidewinder FF wheel? I've looked through my sidewinder profile thingy and can't see where it could be set. Anyone care to walk me through it, or tell me it's not possible with this wheel? I've been waiting for an FAQ to appear, as I guess this question must crop up often, but nothing so far - is there an FAQ for this group? -- Steve

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> In article <wmL15.89$[email hidden]>, "Roger Walker" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > I've done that before. Although I was in a league this year, so I had to run > multiple tracks in a different marque. > I don't modify setups, because I don't know WTF I'm doing<g>. I could do laps > all DAY without spinning or crashing(depending on the setup). The problem > comes when I try something different to gain time... :) > > Eldred

I think the hardest thing is to try and go faster gradually. You only need to go very slightly faster, maybe 1-2 mph on each corner to get a good improvement, especially at a long track like the Ring. I do think that everybody has a natural limit they will run up against though. Naturals like Gregor Huttu have a much higher limit than most other people. Its the same in all fields of sporting endeavour. Shouldn't stop us trying though. I've reached a wall at 8:19 on the Nurburgring in GPL. I've done countless laps between 8:19 and 8:23! Very frustrating. - Michael

On 14 Jun 2000 05:02:16 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >So, how do I find those other 4 seconds? Or even 2? Here's a tip: Have you installed the GPLEA Lotus? Since doing so two days ago I've shaved a quarter of a second off my Watkins Glen PB. Of course, your mileage may vary... Another download that has helped me tremendously is Granberg and Matton's Replay Analyzer. The side-by-side plot of my best laps helped me isolate which cornering techniques were working and which weren't. Martin Long Live Nigel Mansell!

Hi Eldred, For me anyway, I have found the perfect practice routine to get my lap times competitive quickly. In a matter of few hours practice I took my bests at Monaco from 1:30.xx to 1:27.xx, Spa from 3:23.xx to 3:19.xx, Silver from 1:30.xx to 1:28.xx. and the 'Ring from 9:00-ish to 8:30-ish. After you know the track well enough that you can get around reasonably consistently (as I assume you already can at all the tracks) do this: 1. Go to http://lightsoutracing.simplenet.com/trackguides/gpl/. This is Lights Ot Racing's track guides. I believe all the ones I have gone though are by Russ Hodgson and they are great. 2. Carefully read the guide, you may only get a few insights here that you didn't already know, but hey, improving one corner can easily mean one second in some cases. 3. Download the replay from the track guide. These are times which mere mortals can get close to on a good lap so the comparisons to yourself are much more meaningful than GH's who's is in another world. 4.Go out and make a replay with the best lap you can make. 5. Using Spygirl, merge your best replay with the one from the track guide. 6. Launch GPL, sit back relax and watch the merged replay very carefully, especially how he gets back on the gas at every apex (for the most part). Slow in, fast out. Be sure to sync on spots in Spygirl if he is much faster so that both cars can go though the corners together and you can get a real feel of the difference between the fast way thru and the slow way thru. Repeat 4. 5. and 6., maybe go back and re-read the guide, perhaps try the setup from the site (I find them to be wonderful -- not full of understeer and not too twitchy, they four wheel drift under power wonderfully) or play with your setup, whatever. Keep repeating until you are happy with your times. For me, this works so well it ought to be illegal -- please don't tell anyone in my league about this :) Randy On 14 Jun 2000 05:02:16 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>Me again, resident slowpoke.<g> >I ran some laps at Watkins Glen tonight. 15 in a Ferrari, 15 in a Lotus. I >tried Greger's 1:03.22 Lotus setup. I could only get down to 1:07.36. >Comments:first, every time I hit the brakes, the car wants to spin to the >right. Second, the brakes seem to be an on/off switch. Either the tires are >squealing from lockup, or the car doesn't slow down enough. Third, the car >never seems to 'over-rev'. Has anyone else noticed these issues? I've >double(triple)-checked my controller callibration(both win95 & GPL), because 2 >and 3 sounded like controller issues. > >And before anyone asks why I'd compare my laps to Greger - it's because I'm >able to download both the lap replay AND the setup used to run it. I don't >think too many sites have 'mediocre' laps to download...<g> >So, how do I find those other 4 seconds? Or even 2? > >Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >GPL hcp. 2:12.80 minutes GPLRank:332 and falling.. > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Steve, MSFF split axis. Go to 'start', 'programs', 'Microsoft hardware', 'game controllers', 'profile activator'. Once in the activator select the profile you have created for GPL (or create one if you haven't) go to 'file', 'edit profile', and select 'settings'. Under pedal select 'separate' and you are done. Hope that helps Larry Steve Flynn wrote:

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> > In article <8i8ia2$8ns$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > writes > >I put a squash ball under my lwff pedals but I think I'll have to make > >the switch to my chpro's pretty soon. I think a new chair might help me > >with the left foot braking idea. I use my left foot to balance while > >I'm driving because my chair is an old spinny office type. Of course I > >only know how to go slow and I'm not too good at that. > > Hmmm - I have a M$ sidewinder FF wheel. I've not tried using a squash > ball yet, mainly because I can't find one! (I know I have some in the > house somewhere - just not entirely sure exactly where!) > > I'll have to try it though - it seems to work for a lot of people. > > One thing I would like to try out is this 'split-axis' thing. Basically, > I'd like to map my accelerator pedal to one axis, and my brake pedal to > another, so I can use full travel on both, rather than having them both > use the same axis. > > Anyone know if this is possible to do with the Sidewinder FF wheel? I've > looked through my sidewinder profile thingy and can't see where it could > be set. Anyone care to walk me through it, or tell me it's not possible > with this wheel? > > I've been waiting for an FAQ to appear, as I guess this question must > crop up often, but nothing so far - is there an FAQ for this group? > > -- > Steve

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Comments:first, every time I hit the brakes, the car wants to spin to the > right. You're bottoming and locking the left front. > Second, the brakes seem to be an on/off switch. Either the tires are > squealing from lockup, or the car doesn't slow down enough. Definitely bottoming the fronts. Try 5" of static ride height and/or stiffer springs and bars, and see if the squirreliness goes away. Then bring it back down until you can almost manage it. Setting things down right on the bump stops really simplifies car setup (or drives you nuts until you realize why even big changes don't make any difference). Split axis and left-foot braking also help. Don't stomp; roll on and off the controls. One should be going up while the other is coming down. Smoooooth... Have you tried a Ferrari setup from the Eagle Woman? Michael.

On Wed 14 Jun 2000 06:02:16am, EldredP wrote: >Me again, resident slowpoke.<g> >I ran some laps at Watkins Glen tonight. 15 in a Ferrari, 15 in a >Lotus. I tried Greger's 1:03.22 Lotus setup. I could only get down >to 1:07.36.<snipped bit about handling> I've tried that setup too - and it's *very* hard to control. I've got my best time (1:05.47 in a race) using it, but I'm a lot more stable with the default setup, a slightly more rearward brake balance, and one click of oversteer. I can stay in the 1:06.xx bracket for lap after lap with that. >And before anyone asks why I'd compare my laps to Greger - it's >because I'm able to download both the lap replay AND the setup used >to run it. I don't think too many sites have 'mediocre' laps to >download...<g> Now that's a fantastic idea. Hotlap replays ordinary people could beat! >So, how do I find those other 4 seconds? Or even 2? -- David. "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

In article <vWe25.11316$[email hidden]>, "Vintook" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> Repeat 4. 5. and 6., maybe go back and re-read the guide, perhaps try >> the setup from the site (I find them to be wonderful -- not full of >> understeer and not too twitchy, they four wheel drift under power >> wonderfully) or play with your setup, whatever. Keep repeating until >> you are happy with your times. >> >> For me, this works so well it ought to be illegal -- please don't tell >> anyone in my league about this :) >>

I've tried this, but I don't seem to get the same results as you do. I'll try again this weekend. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. 1:45.49 minutes-GPLRank:342 as of 6/15/00 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

How do you sync on spots in Spygirl?? Vintook "Randy Riggs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi Eldred, > > For me anyway, I have found the perfect practice routine to get my lap > times competitive quickly. In a matter of few hours practice I took my > bests at Monaco from 1:30.xx to 1:27.xx, Spa from 3:23.xx to 3:19.xx, > Silver from 1:30.xx to 1:28.xx. and the 'Ring from 9:00-ish to > 8:30-ish. > > After you know the track well enough that you can get around > reasonably consistently (as I assume you already can at all the > tracks) do this: > > 1. Go to http://lightsoutracing.simplenet.com/trackguides/gpl/. This > is Lights Ot Racing's track guides. I believe all the ones I have gone > though are by Russ Hodgson and they are great. > > 2. Carefully read the guide, you may only get a few insights here that > you didn't already know, but hey, improving one corner can easily mean > one second in some cases. > > 3. Download the replay from the track guide. These are times which > mere mortals can get close to on a good lap so the comparisons to > yourself are much more meaningful than GH's who's is in another world. > > 4.Go out and make a replay with the best lap you can make. > > 5. Using Spygirl, merge your best replay with the one from the track > guide. > > 6. Launch GPL, sit back relax and watch the merged replay very > carefully, especially how he gets back on the gas at every apex (for > the most part). Slow in, fast out. Be sure to sync on spots in Spygirl > if he is much faster so that both cars can go though the corners > together and you can get a real feel of the difference between the > fast way thru and the slow way thru. > > Repeat 4. 5. and 6., maybe go back and re-read the guide, perhaps try > the setup from the site (I find them to be wonderful -- not full of > understeer and not too twitchy, they four wheel drift under power > wonderfully) or play with your setup, whatever. Keep repeating until > you are happy with your times. > > For me, this works so well it ought to be illegal -- please don't tell > anyone in my league about this :) > > Randy > > On 14 Jun 2000 05:02:16 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >Me again, resident slowpoke.<g> > >I ran some laps at Watkins Glen tonight. 15 in a Ferrari, 15 in a Lotus.

I > >tried Greger's 1:03.22 Lotus setup. I could only get down to 1:07.36. > >Comments:first, every time I hit the brakes, the car wants to spin to the > >right. Second, the brakes seem to be an on/off switch. Either the tiresare > >squealing from lockup, or the car doesn't slow down enough. Third, thecar > >never seems to 'over-rev'. Has anyone else noticed these issues? I've > >double(triple)-checked my controller callibration(both win95 & GPL),because 2 > >and 3 sounded like controller issues. > > > >And before anyone asks why I'd compare my laps to Greger - it's becauseI'm > >able to download both the lap replay AND the setup used to run it. Idon't

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> >think too many sites have 'mediocre' laps to download...<g> > >So, how do I find those other 4 seconds? Or even 2? > > > >Eldred > >-- > >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > >GPL hcp. 2:12.80 minutes GPLRank:332 and falling.. > > > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > >with experience... > >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

>How do you sync on spots in Spygirl?? > >Vintook > By running a lap around a track and raising your arm where you would like spots to be. The obvious places are in the straights between corners. Save this lap as a replay, that's really the only purpose of this lap, take it easy around and raise your arm every so often. Then open Spygirl, select that replay and push the extract spots button. Spygirl will import the locations you raised your arm, let you rename them if you want and save this data. Now when you merge two replays, if you select "sync on spots", the cars will re-sync as they go by those places on the track. It's a wonderful utility!

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>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Comments:first, every time I hit the brakes, the car wants to spin to the >> right. > >You're bottoming and locking the left front. >

Really? I don't remember seeing the left front actually STOP turning. I'll have to check again.

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>> Second, the brakes seem to be an on/off switch. Either the tires are >> squealing from lockup, or the car doesn't slow down enough. > >Definitely bottoming the fronts. Try 5" of static ride height and/or stiffer >springs and bars, and see if the squirreliness goes away. Then bring it back >down until you can almost manage it. Setting things down right on the bump >stops really simplifies car setup (or drives you nuts until you realize why >even big changes don't make any difference). > >Split axis and left-foot braking also help. Don't stomp; roll on and off the >controls. One should be going up while the other is coming down. >Smoooooth...

I'm still using right-foot braking. I haven't figured out how to use the left yet. It's currently an exercise in frustration. > >Have you tried a Ferrari setup from the Eagle Woman?Other than using a Cooper for my league, that's what I've used almost exclusively for the past 8 or 9 months. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. 1:45.49 minutes-GPLRank:342 as of 6/15/00 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

[email hidden] (Randy Riggs) wrote in <[email hidden]>: >Hi Eldred, >For me anyway, I have found the perfect practice routine to get my lap >times competitive quickly. clip Randy's secrets >For me, this works so well it ought to be illegal -- please don't tell >anyone in my league about this :) >Randy So that's how you do it!! Randy's in my league and is annoyingly quick (I find anyone faster than me annoying) so I'm sure it's good advice. The replays he's referring to by Russ Hodgson, who's GPLRank is -43.8, are very good studies.

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>On 14 Jun 2000 05:02:16 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>Me again, resident slowpoke.<g> >>I ran some laps at Watkins Glen tonight. 15 in a Ferrari, 15 in a Lotus. I >>tried Greger's 1:03.22 Lotus setup. I could only get down to 1:07.36. >>Comments:first, every time I hit the brakes, the car wants to spin to the >>right.

I assume your spinning when braking at the end of the straight. For me the braking zone here is in two sections. You break hard at your breaking point, let up as the car gets light over the brow, then on again for a short bit as your turning in. If you maintain hard breaking over the brow you will lock up and spin. And Eldred, I see you've managed to retake your rightful place at the bottom of the GPLRank list by posting a F3 player.ini, very clever ;-) -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -1.90 Come see how you rate, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/

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>> >>I think my problem is that I just don't know the track well enough. >>There are several places where I'm tentative because I don't know >>what's next. Other spots I *think* I know, then get surprized by a >>blind curve...<AUGH> I'd guess that I could probably get down to >>9:10-9:15. I don't see going much lower...unless I become possessed >>with the spirit of Jim Clark...<g> >> >>Eldred > >There's no question Eldred, if you don't know exactly where your >going at the Ring it's slowing you down. Just keep putting in the >laps, and you'll suddenly find yourself breaking the 9 minute >barrier. >

I'm probably doing at least 10-15 laps/week. I don't know how long this is gonna take. I ran 3 laps yesterday, but lower my time... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. 1:35.98 minutes-GPLRank:378 as of 6/18/00 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, MichaelJP > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I think the hardest thing is to try and go faster gradually. You only > >need to go very slightly faster, maybe 1-2 mph on each corner to get a > >good improvement, especially at a long track like the Ring. > > > >I do think that everybody has a natural limit they will run up against > >though. Naturals like Gregor Huttu have a much higher limit than most > >other people. Its the same in all fields of sporting endeavour. Shouldn't > >stop us trying though. > > > >I've reached a wall at 8:19 on the Nurburgring in GPL. I've done > >countless laps between 8:19 and 8:23! Very frustrating. > > > >- Michael > > I'd settle for an 8:23... > I ran three laps yesterday 9:33.xx, 9:48.xx, 9:43. It was late, so I gave up > after that... > > Eldred > --

That's the other thing about the Ring, sometimes you have to give up for a while and try again later! I just got 8:18.7! I've broken my 8:19 barrier:-) - Michael

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>> >I've reached a wall at 8:19 on the Nurburgring in GPL. I've done >> >countless laps between 8:19 and 8:23! Very frustrating. >> > >> >- Michael >> >> I'd settle for an 8:23... >> I ran three laps yesterday 9:33.xx, 9:48.xx, 9:43. It was late, so I gave >up >> after that... >> >> Eldred >> -- > >That's the other thing about the Ring, sometimes you have to give up for >a while and try again later! > >I just got 8:18.7! I've broken my 8:19 barrier:-) > >- Michael >

I think my problem is that I just don't know the track well enough. There are several places where I'm tentative because I don't know what's next. Other spots I *think* I know, then get surprized by a blind curve...<AUGH> I'd guess that I could probably get down to 9:10-9:15. I don't see going much lower...unless I become possessed with the spirit of Jim Clark...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. 1:35.98 minutes-GPLRank:378 as of 6/18/00 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

writes: I'm probably doing at least 10-15 laps/week. I don't know how long this is gonna take. I ran 3 laps yesterday, but lower my time... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. 1:35.98 minutes-GPLRank:378 as of 6/18/00 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> >I think my problem is that I just don't know the track well enough. >There are several places where I'm tentative because I don't know >what's next. Other spots I *think* I know, then get surprized by a >blind curve...<AUGH> I'd guess that I could probably get down to >9:10-9:15. I don't see going much lower...unless I become possessed >with the spirit of Jim Clark...<g> > >Eldred

There's no question Eldred, if you don't know exactly where your going at the Ring it's slowing you down. Just keep putting in the laps, and you'll suddenly find yourself breaking the 9 minute barrier. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -1.90 Come see how you rate, at the GPLRank site http://newgplrank.schuerkamp.de/

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>In article <8F585D48Fdscurlock@news>, [email hidden] (Don >Scurlock) writes: >>There's no question Eldred, if you don't know exactly where your >>going at the Ring it's slowing you down. Just keep putting in the >>laps, and you'll suddenly find yourself breaking the 9 minute >>barrier. >> > >I'm probably doing at least 10-15 laps/week. I don't know how long >this is gonna take. I ran 3 laps yesterday, but lower my time... :(

Progress seems to come in plateaus, and it can feel like your going nowhere, but one day you "suddenly" have a break through. Something that helped me at the Ring was watching world class replays and realizing that there are a number of areas of the Ring that can be considered straightaways, even though they aren't very straight. The places where the fast guys get into top gear. Focusing on these areas can have a bigger effect on lap times at your stage than working on cornering speed. Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -1.90 Come see how you rate, at the GPLRank site http://newgplrank.schuerkamp.de/

Yes, I know the feeling . . . It is kind-of like my brain is running out of memory and it is swapping the data to hard disk and then I am off spinning in the grass. :-) Oh, this is the section where it goes, yes, yes, oh crap I am going to fast and where'd this turn come from! I find I have to be in an odd mood for the ring, otherwise I just get frustrated way to quick. SLG [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>I think my problem is that I just don't know the track well enough. There are >several places where I'm tentative because I don't know what's next. Other >spots I *think* I know, then get surprized by a blind curve...<AUGH> >I'd guess that I could probably get down to 9:10-9:15. I don't see going much >lower...unless I become possessed with the spirit of Jim Clark...<g> > >Eldred

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

Next time you get in your car, try to drive with one eye closed. With simulations, we have crappy (relative) graphics and monocular vision. By the way, only attempt the above on a closed course with a professional driver :-) Christian H. > sections like Kallenhard and similar hairpins. I find it quite hardto > judge in GPL whether I'm doing 40 or 70 mph in these 1st gear turns.And > the difference is critical as you can easily spin off going just 5mphtoo > fast! > > I wish they had an onscreen speedo in the cockpit view. I know they > didn't have it in 67, but they had more speed cues like the rumble ofthe > tyres and the rush of the wind in their faces. > > - Michael > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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>I've analysed my best lap (8:18.7) with a replay analyser and compared it >with a sub-8 minute lap, and I'm pretty well up there on the fast >sections. I found where I was losing the most time was in very tight >sections like Kallenhard and similar hairpins. I find it quite hard to >judge in GPL whether I'm doing 40 or 70 mph in these 1st gear turns. And >the difference is critical as you can easily spin off going just 5mph too >fast!

THANK YOU! I have the same problems at Rouen, Monaco, and Spa. I always end up coasting to the turn, ready to jam on the brake if it turns out I'm going to fast... I don't feel so bad now...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +85.99 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> Progress seems to come in plateaus, and it can feel like your going > nowhere, but one day you "suddenly" have a break through. Something > that helped me at the Ring was watching world class replays and > realizing that there are a number of areas of the Ring that can be > considered straightaways, even though they aren't very straight. The > places where the fast guys get into top gear. Focusing on these areas > can have a bigger effect on lap times at your stage than working on > cornering speed. > > > Don Scurlock > Vancouver,B.C. > GPLRank -1.90

I've analysed my best lap (8:18.7) with a replay analyser and compared it with a sub-8 minute lap, and I'm pretty well up there on the fast sections. I found where I was losing the most time was in very tight sections like Kallenhard and similar hairpins. I find it quite hard to judge in GPL whether I'm doing 40 or 70 mph in these 1st gear turns. And the difference is critical as you can easily spin off going just 5mph too fast! I wish they had an onscreen speedo in the cockpit view. I know they didn't have it in 67, but they had more speed cues like the rumble of the tyres and the rush of the wind in their faces. - Michael

That's been the biggest stumbling block for me is that my 1:1 on-track racing experience is of no use in judging the slower speeds as what I see doesn't correlate at all to the speed figures displayed in replay. I also suspect that one of the reasons that Monza is so popular is that it doesn't have any truely slow corners to trip up the average driver who's trying to gauge their relative speed by what they see on the screen. That's why it's considered a "simple" or "easy" track. Silverstone drove me nuts because I was perpetually overcooking the entrances to the corners. What appeared to be a reasonable entry speed was in fact way too fast. I finally learned it by driving the entire course in one gear lower than I had been until I could judge the proper speeds entering corners. Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL

>I find it quite hard to > judge in GPL whether I'm doing 40 or 70 mph in these 1st gear turns. And > the difference is critical as you can easily spin off going just 5mph too > fast! Before you get a drivers lisence in Norway, you'll have do a test at a slippery track (during winter we drive on snow and ice (at least in the northern part of Norway, where I learned to drive), thus a need for knowledge about driving on slippery surfaces). In one of the turns I had complete control at 32 mph. At 34 it was impossible to keep the car at the track. I've experienced the same thing in GPL. I'd like to see som snow at the Ring :-) Jon Andersen

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>In one of the turns I had complete control at 32 mph. At 34 it was >impossible to keep the car at the track. I've experienced the same thing in >GPL. > >I'd like to see som snow at the Ring :-) > > >Jon Andersen >

Masochist... <g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +85.99 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> That's been the biggest stumbling block for me is that my 1:1 on-track > racing experience is of no use in judging the slower speeds as what I > see doesn't correlate at all to the speed figures displayed in replay. > > I also suspect that one of the reasons that Monza is so popular is > that it doesn't have any truely slow corners to trip up the average > driver who's trying to gauge their relative speed by what they see on > the screen. That's why it's considered a "simple" or "easy" track. > > Silverstone drove me nuts because I was perpetually overcooking the > entrances to the corners. What appeared to be a reasonable entry > speed was in fact way too fast. I finally learned it by driving the > entire course in one gear lower than I had been until I could judge > the proper speeds entering corners.

Absolutely! It took me *ages* to make myself slow down enough for corners like Copse and Stowe - and I've driven quite a few laps on the real circuit. Admittedly in a road car - but quite a fast road car (TVR Griffith 500) - Michael

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> In article <[email hidden]>, MichaelJP > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I've analysed my best lap (8:18.7) with a replay analyser and compared it > >with a sub-8 minute lap, and I'm pretty well up there on the fast > >sections. I found where I was losing the most time was in very tight > >sections like Kallenhard and similar hairpins. I find it quite hard to > >judge in GPL whether I'm doing 40 or 70 mph in these 1st gear turns. And > >the difference is critical as you can easily spin off going just 5mph too > >fast! > > THANK YOU! I have the same problems at Rouen, Monaco, and Spa. I always end > up coasting to the turn, ready to jam on the brake if it turns out I'm going to > fast... > I don't feel so bad now...<g>

I've found quite a good way for these after some experimentation. Brake earlier and gentler than you would normally, but make sure you don't slow down too much to judge your entry speed as accurately as possible. You can lose far more time by braking at the latest possible moment and screwing up your entry speed than braking a bit earlier and getting it right. - Michael

> Admittedly in a road car - but quite a fast road > car (TVR Griffith 500) Road car? Hardly a Ford Escort now is it! :-> Andrew Mcp

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > > Admittedly in a road car - but quite a fast road > > car (TVR Griffith 500) > > Road car? Hardly a Ford Escort now is it! :-> > Not exactly - there is certainly enough power to scare yourself:-) Especially in the wet... ( 340hp for 1000kg weight ) - Michael