Re: Problem with Thrustmaster T2 and Win98

Hello! According to TM you should not need the Pro Panel or the TMScope programs to get it working if you have DX5 or higher installed. I'd remove them and follow TM's instructions at their website. http://www.thrustmaster.com/support/readtechnote.php3?id=32 Also check for new sound board drivers. It sounded like you may have old ones from your post. Hope this helps. The old TM pro is not a bad wheel. It just needs some help. Rebuilds and improvments are available at www.thundervalleysims.com Good luck, I'll be watching for a progress report. :-) Larry Heir In article <8i3cj9$hrk$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote: > Hi all. I'll really appreciate some help on this: > > Obviusoly you are very serious simulator players and I'm pretty sure > that most of you use a steering wheel. Well, I own an oldie (but > gloroius) Thrustmaster Formula T2 wheel. I remember that I had a lotof > problems when I configured it in Win95 a few years ago. Know, I > upgraded my whole hardware and OS to Win98 and it's taking me longerto > configure it. > > Here's my problem: When I run TMSCOPE to check the wheel, it detectsit

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> in por 3A and 4A. According to this utility, this means that my > joystick is connected to gamecard #3 or #4 in port A, but I don't have > any gamecard installed. I'm using the standard gameport of the inboard > Creative soundcard. > > When I plug a standard joystick, TMSCOPE detects it in port 1A ?!?!? > > The only way to make W98 detect the wheel is by clicking several times > (and I mean SEVERAL TIMES) the RETRY button in the properties dialog

of > the joystick in control panel. Then I calibrate it and it worksnormal, > until the next reboot. > > Anybody had a problem like this before? I have the Propanel utilityand

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> DirectX7 installed. > > Thanks in advance > > Juan Carlos > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. >

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Hi Larry. Thanks for answering. Actually what Tmscope does is display information about the hardware (if it's actually working) and Propanel only help in the calibration process. I have followed Thrustmaster's instructions with no result. The problem is that for some reason Win95/98 doesn't recognize the T2. In the manuals was written that I needed an adapter to play Win95 based games, but inside the box was an addendum to the manual that said that despite of what the manual said, the adapter was no needed anymore. But, surprise, when I installed it and tested it, I found that the adapter was needed for windows because the pedals worked on the X axis of Joystick 2 and the wheel on X axis of joystick 1. So I build my own adapter and it worked OK. The nightmare is now back after upgrading my PC and W95 to W98. It's really strange because as I said in my last post, it works after pressing "Retry" several times in Control Panel. Weird isn't it? Greetings Juan Carlos In article <8i3mur$p5v$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote:

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> Hello! > > According to TM you should not need the Pro Panel or the TMScope > programs to get it working if you have DX5 or higher installed. I'd > remove them and follow TM's instructions at their website. > > http://www.thrustmaster.com/support/readtechnote.php3?id=32 > > Also check for new sound board drivers. It sounded like you may have

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> ones from your post. > > Hope this helps. The old TM pro is not a bad wheel. It just needs some > help. Rebuilds and improvments are available at > > www.thundervalleysims.com > > Good luck, I'll be watching for a progress report. :-) > > Larry Heir > > In article <8i3cj9$hrk$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] wrote: > > Hi all. I'll really appreciate some help on this: > > > > Obviusoly you are very serious simulator players and I'm pretty sure > > that most of you use a steering wheel. Well, I own an oldie (but > > gloroius) Thrustmaster Formula T2 wheel. I remember that I had a lot > of > > problems when I configured it in Win95 a few years ago. Know, I > > upgraded my whole hardware and OS to Win98 and it's taking me longer > to > > configure it. > > > > Here's my problem: When I run TMSCOPE to check the wheel, it detects > it > > in por 3A and 4A. According to this utility, this means that my > > joystick is connected to gamecard #3 or #4 in port A, but I don't

have > > any gamecard installed. I'm using the standard gameport of theinboard > > Creative soundcard. > > > > When I plug a standard joystick, TMSCOPE detects it in port 1A ?!?!? > > > > The only way to make W98 detect the wheel is by clicking severaltimes

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> > (and I mean SEVERAL TIMES) the RETRY button in the properties dialog > of > > the joystick in control panel. Then I calibrate it and it works > normal, > > until the next reboot. > > > > Anybody had a problem like this before? I have the Propanel utility > and > > DirectX7 installed. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Juan Carlos > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. >

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Hi all. I'll really appreciate some help on this: Obviusoly you are very serious simulator players and I'm pretty sure that most of you use a steering wheel. Well, I own an oldie (but gloroius) Thrustmaster Formula T2 wheel. I remember that I had a lot of problems when I configured it in Win95 a few years ago. Know, I upgraded my whole hardware and OS to Win98 and it's taking me longer to configure it. Here's my problem: When I run TMSCOPE to check the wheel, it detects it in por 3A and 4A. According to this utility, this means that my joystick is connected to gamecard #3 or #4 in port A, but I don't have any gamecard installed. I'm using the standard gameport of the inboard Creative soundcard. When I plug a standard joystick, TMSCOPE detects it in port 1A ?!?!? The only way to make W98 detect the wheel is by clicking several times (and I mean SEVERAL TIMES) the RETRY button in the properties dialog of the joystick in control panel. Then I calibrate it and it works normal, until the next reboot. Anybody had a problem like this before? I have the Propanel utility and DirectX7 installed. Thanks in advance Juan Carlos Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Hi all. I'll really appreciate some help on this: Obviusoly you are very serious simulator players and I'm pretty sure that most of you use a steering wheel. Well, I own an oldie (but gloroius) Thrustmaster Formula T2 wheel. I remember that I had a lot of problems when I configured it in Win95 a few years ago. Know, I upgraded my whole hardware and OS to Win98 and it's taking me longer to configure it. Here's my problem: When I run TMSCOPE to check the wheel, it detects it in por 3A and 4A. According to this utility, this means that my joystick is connected to gamecard #3 or #4 in port A, but I don't have any gamecard installed. I'm using the standard gameport of the inboard Creative soundcard. When I plug a standard joystick, TMSCOPE detects it in port 1A ?!?!? The only way to make W98 detect the wheel is by clicking several times (and I mean SEVERAL TIMES) the RETRY button in the properties dialog of the joystick in control panel. Then I calibrate it and it works normal, until the next reboot. Anybody had a problem like this before? I have the Propanel utility and DirectX7 installed. Thanks in advance Juan Carlos Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Hi. Well, Larry and Greg thanks for answering once again. My PC is a Celeron 500, 64MB RAM and a Voodoo Banshee. I'm playing NFS4 and I'm gonna get RallyChampionship2K tomorrow so I was preparing my system for it. In article <dFr15.4120$[email hidden]>, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Are you installing the T2 as a "Custom Device" in the control > panel joystick applet??? You need to do this and check the > box for "driving controller". > Yes, I have installed it that way but I'm not sure if I checked the "driving controller" box (I'll check it out later)

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> Also, you need the adapter if the wheel had a date code before > November 95 I think. The date code is found on the white > sticker on the bottom of the wheel unit. > > Anyway, once you get the wheel and pedals on the same > axis the wheel should look like a simple X-Y axis 4 button > joystick to the system. TMSCOPE doesn't hurt because it > give you the raw DOS joystick information and proves that > the stick/wheel is working to some degree. If it works in > TMSCOPE then there is nothing wrong with the wheel > and it should work in W98/W95. > > Propanel should be left alone IMHO. I never needed it in > my 4-5 years of using the TM T2... Plus now that we are > up to DX7 the propanel is probably not all that compatible. >

There's something else. Sometimes it seems that when I press the pedals (Y axis) too much, somehow it disconnects (like it's returning a value out the range). I solve It calibrating once again. > -- > > [email hidden] > > <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:8i3oqr$qlb$[email hidden]...

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> > Hi Larry. Thanks for answering. > > > > Actually what Tmscope does is display information about the hardware > > (if it's actually working) and Propanel only help in the calibration > > process. > > > > I have followed Thrustmaster's instructions with no result. > > The problem is that for some reason Win95/98 doesn't recognize the

T2. > > In the manuals was written that I needed an adapter to play Win95based > > games, but inside the box was an addendum to the manual that saidthat > > despite of what the manual said, the adapter was no needed anymore. > > > > But, surprise, when I installed it and tested it, I found that the > > adapter was needed for windows because the pedals worked on the Xaxis > > of Joystick 2 and the wheel on X axis of joystick 1. So I build myown > > adapter and it worked OK. > > > > The nightmare is now back after upgrading my PC and W95 to W98. > > > > It's really strange because as I said in my last post, it worksafter

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> > pressing "Retry" several times in Control Panel. > > > > Weird isn't it? > > > > Greetings > > > > Juan Carlos > > > > > > In article <8i3mur$p5v$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > > > According to TM you should not need the Pro Panel or the TMScope > > > programs to get it working if you have DX5 or higher installed.

I'd > > > remove them and follow TM's instructions at their website. > > > > > > http://www.thrustmaster.com/support/readtechnote.php3?id=32 > > > > > > Also check for new sound board drivers. It sounded like you mayhave > > old > > > ones from your post. > > > > > > Hope this helps. The old TM pro is not a bad wheel. It just needssome

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> > > help. Rebuilds and improvments are available at > > > > > > www.thundervalleysims.com > > > > > > Good luck, I'll be watching for a progress report. :-) > > > > > > Larry Heir > > > > > > In article <8i3cj9$hrk$[email hidden]>, > > > [email hidden] wrote: > > > > Hi all. I'll really appreciate some help on this: > > > > > > > > Obviusoly you are very serious simulator players and I'm pretty

sure > > > > that most of you use a steering wheel. Well, I own an oldie (but > > > > gloroius) Thrustmaster Formula T2 wheel. I remember that I hada lot > > > of > > > > problems when I configured it in Win95 a few years ago. Know, I > > > > upgraded my whole hardware and OS to Win98 and it's taking melonger > > > to > > > > configure it. > > > > > > > > Here's my problem: When I run TMSCOPE to check the wheel, itdetects > > > it > > > > in por 3A and 4A. According to this utility, this means that my > > > > joystick is connected to gamecard #3 or #4 in port A, but Idon't > > have > > > > any gamecard installed. I'm using the standard gameport of the > > inboard > > > > Creative soundcard. > > > > > > > > When I plug a standard joystick, TMSCOPE detects it in port1A ?!?!? > > > > > > > > The only way to make W98 detect the wheel is by clicking several > > times > > > > (and I mean SEVERAL TIMES) the RETRY button in the propertiesdialog > > > of > > > > the joystick in control panel. Then I calibrate it and it works > > > normal, > > > > until the next reboot. > > > > > > > > Anybody had a problem like this before? I have the Propanelutility

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> > > and > > > > DirectX7 installed. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > Juan Carlos > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

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Hello again, <snip> > Actually what Tmscope does is display information about the hardware > (if it's actually working) and Propanel only help in the calibration > process. Yes true, but TM does not recomend using them with DX5 or higher. They sometimes can cause problems. They are old utilities. <snip> > I have followed Thrustmaster's instructions with no result. > The problem is that for some reason Win95/98 doesn't recognize the T2. One thing that can cause this is old and dirty pots. If the pots do not read correctly when control panel polls them you get this effect. Broken wires and cold solder joints can do it too. You did not say anything about sound board drivers. Win95 drivers and Win98 don't always get along that well. As for the rest of this.... > In the manuals was written that I needed an adapter to play Win95based

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> games, but inside the box was an addendum to the manual that said that > despite of what the manual said, the adapter was no needed anymore. > > But, surprise, when I installed it and tested it, I found that the > adapter was needed for windows because the pedals worked on the X axis > of Joystick 2 and the wheel on X axis of joystick 1. So I build my own > adapter and it worked OK. > > The nightmare is now back after upgrading my PC and W95 to W98. > > It's really strange because as I said in my last post, it works after > pressing "Retry" several times in Control Panel. > > Weird isn't it?

You wheel should work normally if use the T1/T2 WITH ADAPTER setting in the WIN98 game controler panel. If not try the without adapter setting. It can't hurt to try it. The most likely cuprit here is dirty pots. Good luck! BTW what game(s) are you playing with and what type for system do you have? Larry Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Are you installing the T2 as a "Custom Device" in the control panel joystick applet??? You need to do this and check the box for "driving controller". Also, you need the adapter if the wheel had a date code before November 95 I think. The date code is found on the white sticker on the bottom of the wheel unit. Anyway, once you get the wheel and pedals on the same axis the wheel should look like a simple X-Y axis 4 button joystick to the system. TMSCOPE doesn't hurt because it give you the raw DOS joystick information and proves that the stick/wheel is working to some degree. If it works in TMSCOPE then there is nothing wrong with the wheel and it should work in W98/W95. Propanel should be left alone IMHO. I never needed it in my 4-5 years of using the TM T2... Plus now that we are up to DX7 the propanel is probably not all that compatible. -- [email hidden] <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8i3oqr$qlb$[email hidden]... > Hi Larry. Thanks for answering. > > Actually what Tmscope does is display information about the hardware > (if it's actually working) and Propanel only help in the calibration > process. > > I have followed Thrustmaster's instructions with no result. > The problem is that for some reason Win95/98 doesn't recognize the T2. > In the manuals was written that I needed an adapter to play Win95 based > games, but inside the box was an addendum to the manual that said that > despite of what the manual said, the adapter was no needed anymore. > > But, surprise, when I installed it and tested it, I found that the > adapter was needed for windows because the pedals worked on the X axis > of Joystick 2 and the wheel on X axis of joystick 1. So I build my own > adapter and it worked OK. > > The nightmare is now back after upgrading my PC and W95 to W98. > > It's really strange because as I said in my last post, it works after > pressing "Retry" several times in Control Panel. > > Weird isn't it? > > Greetings > > Juan Carlos > > > In article <8i3mur$p5v$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] wrote: > > Hello! > > > > According to TM you should not need the Pro Panel or the TMScope > > programs to get it working if you have DX5 or higher installed. I'd > > remove them and follow TM's instructions at their website. > > > > http://www.thrustmaster.com/support/readtechnote.php3?id=32 > > > > Also check for new sound board drivers. It sounded like you may have > old > > ones from your post. > > > > Hope this helps. The old TM pro is not a bad wheel. It just needs some > > help. Rebuilds and improvments are available at > > > > www.thundervalleysims.com > > > > Good luck, I'll be watching for a progress report. :-) > > > > Larry Heir > > > > In article <8i3cj9$hrk$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] wrote: > > > Hi all. I'll really appreciate some help on this: > > > > > > Obviusoly you are very serious simulator players and I'm pretty sure > > > that most of you use a steering wheel. Well, I own an oldie (but > > > gloroius) Thrustmaster Formula T2 wheel. I remember that I had a lot > > of > > > problems when I configured it in Win95 a few years ago. Know, I > > > upgraded my whole hardware and OS to Win98 and it's taking me longer > > to > > > configure it. > > > > > > Here's my problem: When I run TMSCOPE to check the wheel, it detects > > it > > > in por 3A and 4A. According to this utility, this means that my > > > joystick is connected to gamecard #3 or #4 in port A, but I don't > have > > > any gamecard installed. I'm using the standard gameport of the > inboard > > > Creative soundcard. > > > > > > When I plug a standard joystick, TMSCOPE detects it in port 1A ?!?!? > > > > > > The only way to make W98 detect the wheel is by clicking several > times > > > (and I mean SEVERAL TIMES) the RETRY button in the properties dialog > > of > > > the joystick in control panel. Then I calibrate it and it works > > normal, > > > until the next reboot. > > > > > > Anybody had a problem like this before? I have the Propanel utility > > and > > > DirectX7 installed. > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > Juan Carlos > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

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> Hello again, > > <snip> > > Actually what Tmscope does is display information about the hardware > > (if it's actually working) and Propanel only help in the calibration > > process. > > Yes true, but TM does not recomend using them with DX5 or higher. They > sometimes can cause problems. They are old utilities.

True for Propanel, not true for TMSCOPE, as TMSCOPE is a DOS application and in no way would interfere with the Windows part of anything. -- [email hidden]

Yeah...I've used my T1 for years and have never needed any special utilities for it...no propanel, no nothing, just whatever the OS or game had. -- Kirk Lane [email hidden] GPLRank: 229.48 ICQ: 28171652 AIM: Kirker64 (IM me twice so I can reply...using a beta client) "The time has come for me to kill this game Now open wide and say my name" - "Space Lord", Monster Magnet Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dFr15.4120$[email hidden]... > Are you installing the T2 as a "Custom Device" in the control > panel joystick applet??? You need to do this and check the > box for "driving controller". > > Also, you need the adapter if the wheel had a date code before > November 95 I think. The date code is found on the white > sticker on the bottom of the wheel unit. > > Anyway, once you get the wheel and pedals on the same > axis the wheel should look like a simple X-Y axis 4 button > joystick to the system. TMSCOPE doesn't hurt because it > give you the raw DOS joystick information and proves that > the stick/wheel is working to some degree. If it works in > TMSCOPE then there is nothing wrong with the wheel > and it should work in W98/W95. > > Propanel should be left alone IMHO. I never needed it in > my 4-5 years of using the TM T2... Plus now that we are > up to DX7 the propanel is probably not all that compatible. > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8i3oqr$qlb$[email hidden]... > > Hi Larry. Thanks for answering. > > > > Actually what Tmscope does is display information about the hardware > > (if it's actually working) and Propanel only help in the calibration > > process. > > > > I have followed Thrustmaster's instructions with no result. > > The problem is that for some reason Win95/98 doesn't recognize the T2. > > In the manuals was written that I needed an adapter to play Win95 based > > games, but inside the box was an addendum to the manual that said that > > despite of what the manual said, the adapter was no needed anymore. > > > > But, surprise, when I installed it and tested it, I found that the > > adapter was needed for windows because the pedals worked on the X axis > > of Joystick 2 and the wheel on X axis of joystick 1. So I build my own > > adapter and it worked OK. > > > > The nightmare is now back after upgrading my PC and W95 to W98. > > > > It's really strange because as I said in my last post, it works after > > pressing "Retry" several times in Control Panel. > > > > Weird isn't it? > > > > Greetings > > > > Juan Carlos > > > > > > In article <8i3mur$p5v$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > > > According to TM you should not need the Pro Panel or the TMScope > > > programs to get it working if you have DX5 or higher installed. I'd > > > remove them and follow TM's instructions at their website. > > > > > > http://www.thrustmaster.com/support/readtechnote.php3?id=32 > > > > > > Also check for new sound board drivers. It sounded like you may have > > old > > > ones from your post. > > > > > > Hope this helps. The old TM pro is not a bad wheel. It just needs some > > > help. Rebuilds and improvments are available at > > > > > > www.thundervalleysims.com > > > > > > Good luck, I'll be watching for a progress report. :-) > > > > > > Larry Heir > > > > > > In article <8i3cj9$hrk$[email hidden]>, > > > [email hidden] wrote: > > > > Hi all. I'll really appreciate some help on this: > > > > > > > > Obviusoly you are very serious simulator players and I'm pretty sure > > > > that most of you use a steering wheel. Well, I own an oldie (but > > > > gloroius) Thrustmaster Formula T2 wheel. I remember that I had a lot > > > of > > > > problems when I configured it in Win95 a few years ago. Know, I > > > > upgraded my whole hardware and OS to Win98 and it's taking me longer > > > to > > > > configure it. > > > > > > > > Here's my problem: When I run TMSCOPE to check the wheel, it detects > > > it > > > > in por 3A and 4A. According to this utility, this means that my > > > > joystick is connected to gamecard #3 or #4 in port A, but I don't > > have > > > > any gamecard installed. I'm using the standard gameport of the > > inboard > > > > Creative soundcard. > > > > > > > > When I plug a standard joystick, TMSCOPE detects it in port 1A ?!?!? > > > > > > > > The only way to make W98 detect the wheel is by clicking several > > times > > > > (and I mean SEVERAL TIMES) the RETRY button in the properties dialog > > > of > > > > the joystick in control panel. Then I calibrate it and it works > > > normal, > > > > until the next reboot. > > > > > > > > Anybody had a problem like this before? I have the Propanel utility > > > and > > > > DirectX7 installed. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > Juan Carlos > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >