GP3..........

How on earth have they managed to impliment Force feedback with just a month of development time to go before it goes 'gold' ? I think that they are holding back alot of other things that could have been in GP3. This is because we will all go and buy GP3, and then in November or December we will go out again and Buy GP4 with the 'added' features of decent Internet play, pace car etc etc. I think that this is just so that they can sell truck loads more of the sim. If that is the case i dont care, because i just cant wait ;))))))))))))) SING WITH ME ...... I'm so excited, and i just can't hide it. I'm about to loose control, and I think i like it.......... The Pointer Sisters i think....:) Ben http://www.durley.demon.co.uk/gplgp3

The question about the quality of the FF effects is only going to be answered when GP3 is released. But it's not like they've only just started working on it, they had tried FF before for a long time (from a Nick Court quote) and couldn't get it exactly how they wanted it. So it's a case of fine tuning, not adding a new feature.

I'm more worried about the following from the GP3 section at http://www.alphaf1.com/gp3/ -Features which will not be added GP3, but will be added to Grand Prix 4 or future games Support for more than 4 player LAN mode Catch fencing and more 'tiny' details Longer replays (full replay system)--------------------- Even now when people have tons of RAM!!! Better timing system (as seen in TV)----------------- and how is the timing system? Radio messages---------------------------------------------- a standard thing in today's sims! Internet play---------------------------------------------------- ? Animated pit crew and TV cameras on pits--------- Well it seems that all the shity sims have them.... Safety car-------------------------------------------------------- Why the hell not? Red flags--------------------------------------------------------- Who needs them right? Stop and go penalties---------------------------------------Realism? Formation lap--------------------------------------------------- Ok I can live without that... Jump starts----------------------------------------------------- Realism? Own carshape for each team----------------------------- Pat painter will fix that and the 3rd party possie! Ability to look left or right from cockpit view just like in many other sims---Why not? Starting driving career as a test driver and then moving to better teams-----? Livery editor----- It seems to me that it'll miss all the little things that make a great game even greater! Oli BEOROCKET Racing: www.beorocket.co.yu "Sam Daniels" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8hjnlv$cot$[email hidden]... > How on earth have they managed to impliment Force feedback with just amonth > of development time to go before it goes 'gold' ? > I think that they are holding back alot of other things that could havebeen > in GP3. This is because we will all go and buy GP3, and then in Novemberor

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> December we will go out again and Buy GP4 with the 'added' features of > decent Internet play, pace car etc etc. I think that this is just so that > they can sell truck loads more of the sim. > > If that is the case i dont care, because i just cant wait ;))))))))))))) > > SING WITH ME ...... > > I'm so excited, and i just can't hide it. I'm about to loose control, and

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> think i like it.......... > > The Pointer Sisters i think....:) > Ben > http://www.durley.demon.co.uk/gplgp3 > > > > >

On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:45:19 +0200, "Slick" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I'm more worried about the following from the GP3 section at >http://www.alphaf1.com/gp3/ > > >-Features which will not be added GP3, but will be added to Grand Prix 4 or >future games This list is HIGHLY speculative. But anyway: >Support for more than 4 player LAN mode 1) Seems indeed that they haven't taken a *serious* look at multiplay yet.. Possible reason: they need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! >Catch fencing and more 'tiny' details 2) might still be in finalised tracks? >Longer replays (full replay system)--------------------- Even now when >people have tons of RAM!!! 3) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! >Better timing system (as seen in TV)----------------- and how is the timing >system? 4) Subjective >Radio messages---------------------------------------------- a standard >thing in today's sims! 5) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! >Internet play---------------------------------------------------- ? 6) FIA doesn't allow it -or- They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! -and/or- they haven't taken a *serious* look at multiplay yet >Animated pit crew and TV cameras on pits--------- Well it seems that all the >shity sims have them.... 7)They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! -or- rather than making it look shitty or pre-rendered, they choose to leave it out >Safety car-------------------------------------------------------- Why the >hell not? 8) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! -and/or- needs a lot of dedication to get it exactly right >Red flags--------------------------------------------------------- Who needs >them right? 9) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! >Stop and go penalties---------------------------------------Realism? 10) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! -and/or- needs a lot of dedication to get it exactly right >Formation lap--------------------------------------------------- Ok I can >live without that... 11) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! -and/or- needs a lot of dedication to get it exactly right (F12000 anyone?) >Jump starts----------------------------------------------------- Realism? 12) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! >Own carshape for each team----------------------------- Pat painter will fix >that and the 3rd party possie! 13) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! -and/or- GP3 is a "base" system that takes preserving resources into account so people with older systems CAN run it after turning off options BTW: it's unlikely that this can be fixed by 3rd party. They can probably CHANGE the carshapes after a while, but not extend the number of different shapes used by the game! >Ability to look left or right from cockpit view just like in many other >sims---Why not? 14) design choice >Starting driving career as a test driver and then moving to better >teams-----? 15) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! -and/or- it's too early for role-playing elements in serious racingsims >Livery editor----- It seems to me that it'll miss all the little things that >make a great game even greater! 16) they know hackers will take care of this -and/or- They need to sell a GP4 and GP5, representing different seasons, based largely on the same engine! So why sink their own ships? :-) Regards, JoH

On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 11:26:08 GMT Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> wrote: % >Internet play---------------------------------------------------- ? % 6) FIA doesn't allow it -or- They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based % largely on the same engine! -and/or- they haven't taken a *serious* % look at multiplay yet All of the licensed F1 sims coming out have internet play, so Bernie would say we won't let the best possible f1 sim to have internet play. That's how he will keep the sim racing field even. Go with the latter and I think we are close.... Basically Geoff couldn't code it. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 13:52:52 GMT, "Michael E. Carver" [email hidden] wrote:

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>On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 11:26:08 GMT Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > >% >Internet play---------------------------------------------------- ? > >% 6) FIA doesn't allow it -or- They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based >% largely on the same engine! -and/or- they haven't taken a *serious* >% look at multiplay yet > >All of the licensed F1 sims coming out have internet play, so Bernie >would say we won't let the best possible f1 sim to have internet play. >That's how he will keep the sim racing field even. Go with the latter >and I think we are close.... Basically Geoff couldn't code it.

-or- Bernie $$$ asked $$$.$$$.$$$.$$$ to implement Internet-play :-) JoH

I just hope it has fair physics that's all! --------------------Do not cut and past------------------------ Cheers, Oli BEOROCKET Racing: www.beorocket.co.yu "Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:45:19 +0200, "Slick" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I'm more worried about the following from the GP3 section at > >http://www.alphaf1.com/gp3/ > > > > > >-Features which will not be added GP3, but will be added to Grand Prix 4

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> >future games > > This list is HIGHLY speculative. But anyway: > > >Support for more than 4 player LAN mode > > 1) Seems indeed that they haven't taken a *serious* look at multiplay > yet.. Possible reason: they need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely > on the same engine! > > >Catch fencing and more 'tiny' details > > 2) might still be in finalised tracks? > > >Longer replays (full replay system)--------------------- Even now when > >people have tons of RAM!!! > > 3) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! > > >Better timing system (as seen in TV)----------------- and how is the

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> >system? > > 4) Subjective > > >Radio messages---------------------------------------------- a standard > >thing in today's sims! > > 5) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! > > >Internet play---------------------------------------------------- ? > > 6) FIA doesn't allow it -or- They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based > largely on the same engine! -and/or- they haven't taken a *serious* > look at multiplay yet > > >Animated pit crew and TV cameras on pits--------- Well it seems that all

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> >shity sims have them.... > > 7)They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! > -or- rather than making it look shitty or pre-rendered, they choose to > leave it out > > >Safety car-------------------------------------------------------- Why

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> >them right? > > 9) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! > > >Stop and go penalties---------------------------------------Realism? > > 10) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! > -and/or- needs a lot of dedication to get it exactly right > > >Formation lap--------------------------------------------------- Ok I can > >live without that... > > 11) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! > -and/or- needs a lot of dedication to get it exactly right (F12000 > anyone?) > > >Jump starts----------------------------------------------------- Realism? > > 12) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! > > >Own carshape for each team----------------------------- Pat painter will

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> >that and the 3rd party possie! > > 13) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! > -and/or- GP3 is a "base" system that takes preserving resources into > account so people with older systems CAN run it after turning off > options > > BTW: it's unlikely that this can be fixed by 3rd party. They can > probably CHANGE the carshapes after a while, but not extend the number > of different shapes used by the game! > > >Ability to look left or right from cockpit view just like in many other > >sims---Why not? > > 14) design choice > > >Starting driving career as a test driver and then moving to better > >teams-----? > > 15) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! > -and/or- it's too early for role-playing elements in serious > racingsims > > >Livery editor----- It seems to me that it'll miss all the little things

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> >make a great game even greater! > > 16) they know hackers will take care of this -and/or- They need to > sell a GP4 and GP5, representing different seasons, based largely on > the same engine! So why sink their own ships? :-) > > > Regards, > > JoH > >

'Ere. who let you in here Ollie? This is where the winners of the faction wars hang out. Get back to your own play pen <G> MS "Slick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8hsq5s$d3b$[email hidden]...

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> I just hope it has fair physics that's all! > --------------------Do not cut and past------------------------ > Cheers, > Oli > BEOROCKET Racing: www.beorocket.co.yu > > "Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:45:19 +0200, "Slick" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >I'm more worried about the following from the GP3 section at > > >http://www.alphaf1.com/gp3/ > > > > > > > > >-Features which will not be added GP3, but will be added to Grand Prix

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> or > > >future games > > > > This list is HIGHLY speculative. But anyway: > > > > >Support for more than 4 player LAN mode > > > > 1) Seems indeed that they haven't taken a *serious* look at multiplay > > yet.. Possible reason: they need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely > > on the same engine! > > > > >Catch fencing and more 'tiny' details > > > > 2) might still be in finalised tracks? > > > > >Longer replays (full replay system)--------------------- Even now when > > >people have tons of RAM!!! > > > > 3) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! > > > > >Better timing system (as seen in TV)----------------- and how is the > timing > > >system? > > > > 4) Subjective > > > > >Radio messages---------------------------------------------- a standard > > >thing in today's sims! > > > > 5) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! > > > > >Internet play---------------------------------------------------- ? > > > > 6) FIA doesn't allow it -or- They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based > > largely on the same engine! -and/or- they haven't taken a *serious* > > look at multiplay yet > > > > >Animated pit crew and TV cameras on pits--------- Well it seems that

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> the > > >shity sims have them.... > > > > 7)They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! > > -or- rather than making it look shitty or pre-rendered, they choose to > > leave it out > > > > >Safety car-------------------------------------------------------- Why > the > > >hell not? > > > > 8) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! > > -and/or- needs a lot of dedication to get it exactly right > > > > >Red flags--------------------------------------------------------- Who > needs > > >them right? > > > > 9) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! > > > > >Stop and go penalties---------------------------------------Realism? > > > > 10) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! > > -and/or- needs a lot of dedication to get it exactly right > > > > >Formation lap--------------------------------------------------- Ok I

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> fix > > >that and the 3rd party possie! > > > > 13) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! > > -and/or- GP3 is a "base" system that takes preserving resources into > > account so people with older systems CAN run it after turning off > > options > > > > BTW: it's unlikely that this can be fixed by 3rd party. They can > > probably CHANGE the carshapes after a while, but not extend the number > > of different shapes used by the game! > > > > >Ability to look left or right from cockpit view just like in many other > > >sims---Why not? > > > > 14) design choice > > > > >Starting driving career as a test driver and then moving to better > > >teams-----? > > > > 15) They need to sell a GP4 and GP5 based largely on the same engine! > > -and/or- it's too early for role-playing elements in serious > > racingsims > > > > >Livery editor----- It seems to me that it'll miss all the little things > that > > >make a great game even greater! > > > > 16) they know hackers will take care of this -and/or- They need to > > sell a GP4 and GP5, representing different seasons, based largely on > > the same engine! So why sink their own ships? :-) > > > > > > Regards, > > > > JoH > > > > > >