GP3 Force Feedback!

This came from the June 1 Alpha F1 GP3 update http://www.alphaf1.com/gp3/ - Includes support for Windows 2000 and Force Feedback. Surprised it can only go to 1024x768... --David Cook New features in GP3 since GP2 in the current beta version: All the teams, drivers, tracks and races of the 1998 championship season with the official FIA license. Highly detailed vehicle/track 3D graphics in software and hardware rendering mode with DirectX7 (supports resolutions from 640x480 to 1024x768) Dynamic weather conditions (from sunny to monsoon) and changes on the ideal driving line. The conditions can vary throughout a track. More tyre marks are added as the race progresses. Extremely realistic physics engine developed for the past 12 years Full tumble (rolling and completely destroying of the car is possible) New improved 3d sounds recorded with Arrows F1 team Realistic car setup options (adjusting differentials now possible) Improved data logging and performance analysis) New driving aid in cockpit view: steering help (F8) 10 in-car cameras and TV-style camera Virtual cockpit - when braking or accelerating, the head moves backwards or forwards New LCD display which now also shows the engine temperature Improved AI (computer cars much aggressive and difficult to overtake) More detailed tracks, buildings and trees modelled as seen in real-life. Tracks also contain camber. Multiplayer on LAN for for 2-4 players. Also supports modem and direct link connections. Totally new menu system which is easier and faster to use Force feedback support Works with Windows 95/98/98SE/2000/Me (requires DirectX 7) Features which will not be added GP3, but will be added to Grand Prix 4 or future games: Support for more than 4 player LAN mode Catch fencing and more 'tiny' details Longer replays (full replay system) Better timing system (as seen in TV) Radio messages Internet play Animated pit crew and TV cameras on pits Safety car Red flags Stop and go penalties Formation lap Jump starts Own carshape for each team Ability to look left or right from cockpit view just like in many other sims Starting driving career as a test driver and then moving to better teams Livery editor

> Features which will not be added GP3, but will be added to Grand Prix 4 orfuture

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> games: > Radio messages > Safety car > Red flags > Stop and go penalties > Formation lap > Jump starts > Own carshape for each team > Ability to look left or right from cockpit view just like in many other

sims Waaht? We have to wait until GP4 for these things??

>Radio messages LOL :-) They even included the radio message sound files in GP2, and still haven't got round to using them in GP3! -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

"\"Michael E. Carver\" mcarver"@teleport.com wrote: > snip > > Oh well here's hoping GP3 can live up to its hype and we don't have to > wait 4-5 years for a GP4 that has some of the things GP3 shoulda had. > Because more and more GP3 is beginning to sound more like GP2.5. While the left out features are surprising and disappointing, wasn't it announced that they'll do a new version each year? That sounds a little like money grabbing, but there's at least another famous company that could be accused of that with their oval racing sims... If that's needed to fund the development of accurate sims, so be it. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Note my infantile comments and gutteral noises below: David L. Cook <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > This came from the June 1 Alpha F1 GP3 updatehttp://www.alphaf1.com/gp3/ - > Includes support for Windows 2000 and Force Feedback. Surprised it canonly go

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> to 1024x768... > > --David Cook > > New features in GP3 since GP2 in the current beta version: > > All the teams, drivers, tracks and races of the 1998 championship season

with the > official FIA license. > > Highly detailed vehicle/track 3D graphics in software and hardwarerendering mode > with DirectX7 (supports resolutions from 640x480 to 1024x768) > > Dynamic weather conditions (from sunny to monsoon) and changes on theideal

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> driving line. The conditions can vary throughout a track. > > More tyre marks are added as the race progresses. > > Extremely realistic physics engine developed for the past 12 years > > Full tumble (rolling and completely destroying of the car is possible) > > New improved 3d sounds recorded with Arrows F1 team

Gee, is this a first? There's been so many racing sims with crappy sound. GPL is the best in that category, but even that doesn't use sounds actually recorded from F1 cars. > > Realistic car setup options (adjusting differentials now possible) Differential! YES!

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> > Improved data logging and performance analysis) > > New driving aid in cockpit view: steering help (F8) > > 10 in-car cameras and TV-style camera > > Virtual cockpit - when braking or accelerating, the head moves backwards

or > forwards Not sure I like this. That rock-solid-sprite-cockpit in GP2 made the visual feedback so good. Helps make up for that physical ass feedback that is missing in all racing sims. I wish I could try GPL with a static cockpit just to see what it's like. > > New LCD display which now also shows the engine temperature > > Improved AI (computer cars much aggressive and difficult to overtake) Sounds good. Just hope they're not too aggressive. > > More detailed tracks, buildings and trees modelled as seen in real-life.Tracks > also contain camber. Cool. > > Multiplayer on LAN for for 2-4 players. Also supports modem and directlink > connections. Yawn. > > Totally new menu system which is easier and faster to use > > Force feedback support Cool. (I'm not suprised, really) > > Works with Windows 95/98/98SE/2000/Me (requires DirectX 7) > > Features which will not be added GP3, but will be added to Grand Prix 4 orfuture

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> games: > > Support for more than 4 player LAN mode > > Catch fencing and more 'tiny' details > > Longer replays (full replay system) > > Better timing system (as seen in TV) > > Radio messages > > Internet play

GP4 eh, Finally! > > Animated pit crew and TV cameras on pits > > Safety car NOOOOOOO! :) > > Red flags > > Stop and go penalties Hmmm. > > Formation lap > > Jump starts > > Own carshape for each team Ok, but... HOW ABOUT CARS THAT ACTUALLY DRIVE DIFFERENTLY!!! > > Ability to look left or right from cockpit view just like in many othersims I just want some kind of continuous peripheral vision enhancement. I don't care if it's a bit ugly. Pushing buttons to turn your head is silly! > > Starting driving career as a test driver and then moving to better teams > > Livery editor Yawn. > > Thanks for the info, Dave! -A

"Gordon McLachlan" <[email hidden]> wrote: ....

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>By the time this sim finally comes out, it will almost 3 seasons >out-of-date, with only a subset of the features any modern game should have. > >I'll still be buying it, but I am not nearly as excited by the prospect of >this release as I was by GP2. I think Crammond is rapidly becoming an >ex-great sim programmer. > >Regards, >Gordon

I will be happy to exchange a 100% correctly functioning computer-AI feature for half a dozen needless bells and whistles. JoH ------- The best way to accelerate a Mac is 9.81 m/s2 -------- --------------------------------------------------------------

Well we might just have to wait for GP 2.8 (GP 4) -- Thanks Kieran Larkin www.PCracing.co.uk for the best racing news Hywel <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0Gc_4.2284$[email hidden]... > > Features which will not be added GP3, but will be added to Grand Prix 4 or > future > > games: > > > Radio messages > > Safety car > > Red flags > > Stop and go penalties > > Formation lap > > Jump starts > > Own carshape for each team > > Ability to look left or right from cockpit view just like in many other > sims > > Waaht? > > We have to wait until GP4 for these things?? > > >

-- Thanks Kieran Larkin www.PCracing.co.uk for the best racing news Hywel <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0Gc_4.2284$[email hidden]... > > Features which will not be added GP3, but will be added to Grand Prix 4 or > future > > games: > > > Radio messages- in f1 2000 > > Safety car -well it woud be nice but not nessecary > > Red flags- What no red flags?? > > Stop and go penalties- In GPL > > Formation lap- in F1 2000 > > Jump starts > > Own carshape for each team- In f1 2000 show the gp2 engine is passed it > > Ability to look left or right from cockpit view just like in many other > sims-In gpl and many other games > > Waaht? > > We have to wait until GP4 for these things?? >I agree it dosnt look that bright for gp 2.5 oh Gp3. i cant believe they spent this long doing.....what? > >

"David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote > Features which will not be added GP3, but will be added to Grand Prix 4 orfuture > games: > > Support for more than 4 player LAN mode What a rip-off. Don't even tell me they can't model LAN (yes LOCAL AREA NETWORK) multiplayer with more than 4 drivers. It's pure machiavellian corprate suit-thinking (or laziness) so they can make you buy Gp4. There is enhancements that aren't even important in the above list compared to this one. I mean we aren't talking about TCP/IP over the Internet multiplayer here, but just LAN!!!! There is no excuse for Geoff to tell us "well we can have 4 cars but I don't want you to race with 5! You'll have to pay 30quids for that!". Pathetic... GP3 = the best off-line racing sim ever probably. What a disappointment. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

On Sat, 3 Jun 2000 13:49:48 -0400 David L. Cook <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip> % Features which will not be added GP3, but will be added to Grand Prix 4 or future % games: From the list of things to be added to future releases it really begins to show how far behind Crammond and GP3 are in the race to create a great overall sim. I find it hard to believe that after 4-5 years some of those things are being left out of GP3. It almost sounds as if Geoff has been hiding out and coding in a cave all this time. Just as in real life racing you gotta come out once and awhile to see how the competition is doing.... Oh well here's hoping GP3 can live up to its hype and we don't have to wait 4-5 years for a GP4 that has some of the things GP3 shoulda had. Because more and more GP3 is beginning to sound more like GP2.5. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

I don't think it's "suit" thinking. I am increasingly convinced that Mr. Crammond does not work and play well with others, and just isn't up to developing sims using the team development methodology that is required for today's complex products. It sounds like Microprose had to force him to use a team for user interface/graphics development, but that there are actually two separate efforts going on. By the time this sim finally comes out, it will almost 3 seasons out-of-date, with only a subset of the features any modern game should have. I'll still be buying it, but I am not nearly as excited by the prospect of this release as I was by GP2. I think Crammond is rapidly becoming an ex-great sim programmer. Regards, Gordon "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lei_4.21485$[email hidden]... > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Features which will not be added GP3, but will be added to Grand Prix 4or

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> future > > games: > > > > Support for more than 4 player LAN mode > > > > What a rip-off. Don't even tell me they can't model LAN (yes LOCAL AREA > NETWORK) multiplayer with more than 4 drivers. It's pure machiavellian > corprate suit-thinking (or laziness) so they can make you buy Gp4. There

is > enhancements that aren't even important in the above list compared to this > one. I mean we aren't talking about TCP/IP over the Internet multiplayer > here, but just LAN!!!! There is no excuse for Geoff to tell us "well wecan > have 4 cars but I don't want you to race with 5! You'll have to pay30quids

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> for that!". Pathetic... > > GP3 = the best off-line racing sim ever probably. What a disappointment. > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't

realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

I have felt for some time now that GC has totally lost it! I was really excited when GP2 came out, but I really am not expecting too much from GP3. I remember some time ago, a lot of guys were posting that it was going to be GP2 with 3D support, and most people slagged them off. From what we hear now, they were just about right! I really hope I'm wrong and GP3 is as good as we had all hoped, but I'm really having my doubts now. Iain Michael E. Carver <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BDs_4.8353$[email hidden]... > On Sat, 3 Jun 2000 13:49:48 -0400 David L. Cook <[email hidden]>wrote: > <snip> > > % Features which will not be added GP3, but will be added to Grand Prix 4or future

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> % games: > > From the list of things to be added to future releases it really begins > to show how far behind Crammond and GP3 are in the race to create a > great overall sim. I find it hard to believe that after 4-5 years some > of those things are being left out of GP3. It almost sounds as if Geoff > has been hiding out and coding in a cave all this time. Just as in real > life racing you gotta come out once and awhile to see how the > competition is doing.... > > Oh well here's hoping GP3 can live up to its hype and we don't have to > wait 4-5 years for a GP4 that has some of the things GP3 shoulda had. > Because more and more GP3 is beginning to sound more like GP2.5. > > -- > **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. > [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Heck - I was just starting to get excited about GP3 - guess I've been reading the wrong previews - lets hope not :( "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:igx_4.5253$[email hidden]... > I have felt for some time now that GC has totally lost it! > I was really excited when GP2 came out, but I really am not expecting too > much from GP3. I remember some time ago, a lot of guys were posting thatit > was going to be GP2 with 3D support, and most people slagged them off.From

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> what we hear now, they were just about right! > I really hope I'm wrong and GP3 is as good as we had all hoped, but I'm > really having my doubts now. > Iain > > Michael E. Carver <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BDs_4.8353$[email hidden]... > > On Sat, 3 Jun 2000 13:49:48 -0400 David L. Cook <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > <snip> > > > > % Features which will not be added GP3, but will be added to Grand Prix

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> or future > > % games: > > > > From the list of things to be added to future releases it really begins > > to show how far behind Crammond and GP3 are in the race to create a > > great overall sim. I find it hard to believe that after 4-5 years some > > of those things are being left out of GP3. It almost sounds as if Geoff > > has been hiding out and coding in a cave all this time. Just as in real > > life racing you gotta come out once and awhile to see how the > > competition is doing.... > > > > Oh well here's hoping GP3 can live up to its hype and we don't have to > > wait 4-5 years for a GP4 that has some of the things GP3 shoulda had. > > Because more and more GP3 is beginning to sound more like GP2.5. > > > > -- > > **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* > > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. > > [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [-

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