Hey N3 Online Racers...

I'm noticing that 1 or 2 out of 10 races I join in are actual races. The other 8 or 9 are basically just demolition derbies. If I'm lucky, I join a race with people who are way better than me. If I'm really lucky, those groups sometimes race a few times in a row and share a little knowledge. I'd rather lose to people with better skills than me than lose to people who know how to wreck their cars "real nice" (and as many others as they can). I know I'm in luck when the host or someone else says "let's work together". What gets old fast are the people who don't qualify in the top six and decide to just smash into everyone since they might not win anyway. I see this from my perspective - ususally way back in the grid, and I almost always end up having to steer around a wreck caused by someone who just isn't interested in racing. Sure, that puts me ahead of them if I make it around the wreck, but I'd rather earn it. And there *is* a difference between not holding your line and swerving around to stop faster cars from passing. And I'm not talking about some bumping and trading paint, I'm talking about the people who rear end the car in front of them at the green flag because they don't have any self control, or immediately ramming the car next to them because they think it will get them ahead at the start, or the people who rear end you at 150 mph under the yellow flag, then jump out of the race and go join another. Look, this obviously isn't directed at the people who approach N3 to actually race. But for those of you who keep intentionally smashing and crashing, maybe you should consider Demolition Racers or whatever it's called. Seriously. Andrew (pulling on my flame-retardant suit)

You don't need a flame-retardant suit...the rest of us share your frustration with the utter futility of 95% of the pick-up races on WON. Marc. "Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I'm noticing that 1 or 2 out of 10 races I join in are actual races. The > other 8 or 9 are basically just demolition derbies. If I'm lucky, I join > a race with people who are way better than me. If I'm really lucky, > those groups sometimes race a few times in a row and share a little > knowledge. I'd rather lose to people with better skills than me than > lose to people who know how to wreck their cars "real nice" (and as many > others as they can). > > I know I'm in luck when the host or someone else says "let's work > together". > > What gets old fast are the people who don't qualify in the top six and > decide to just smash into everyone since they might not win anyway. I > see this from my perspective - ususally way back in the grid, and I > almost always end up having to steer around a wreck caused by someone > who just isn't interested in racing. Sure, that puts me ahead of them if > I make it around the wreck, but I'd rather earn it. > > And there *is* a difference between not holding your line and swerving > around to stop faster cars from passing. And I'm not talking about some > bumping and trading paint, I'm talking about the people who rear end the > car in front of them at the green flag because they don't have any self > control, or immediately ramming the car next to them because they think > it will get them ahead at the start, or the people who rear end you at > 150 mph under the yellow flag, then jump out of the race and go join > another. > > Look, this obviously isn't directed at the people who approach N3 to > actually race. But for those of you who keep intentionally smashing and > crashing, maybe you should consider Demolition Racers or whatever it's > called. > > Seriously. > > Andrew > (pulling on my flame-retardant suit) >

Heyas Well all u will get from this NG is agreement Andrew Personally I found when I raced in the early am hours (1-2 am MST (GMT-7)) I found good racing in the pickup races on WON. At least better odds of finding a good race. Now unfortunately I have moved east... I haven't raced much in the last month, but to find those guys again, I guess I'd have to be up and racing at 3-4 am. Try scheduling your racing when the fk'in KIDZ are either in school or in bed. That would be the est Kidz. Md Turner wrote:

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> > I'm noticing that 1 or 2 out of 10 races I join in are actual races. The > other 8 or 9 are basically just demolition derbies. If I'm lucky, I join > a race with people who are way better than me. If I'm really lucky, > those groups sometimes race a few times in a row and share a little > knowledge. I'd rather lose to people with better skills than me than > lose to people who know how to wreck their cars "real nice" (and as many > others as they can). > > I know I'm in luck when the host or someone else says "let's work > together". > > What gets old fast are the people who don't qualify in the top six and > decide to just smash into everyone since they might not win anyway. I > see this from my perspective - ususally way back in the grid, and I > almost always end up having to steer around a wreck caused by someone > who just isn't interested in racing. Sure, that puts me ahead of them if > I make it around the wreck, but I'd rather earn it. > > And there *is* a difference between not holding your line and swerving > around to stop faster cars from passing. And I'm not talking about some > bumping and trading paint, I'm talking about the people who rear end the > car in front of them at the green flag because they don't have any self > control, or immediately ramming the car next to them because they think > it will get them ahead at the start, or the people who rear end you at > 150 mph under the yellow flag, then jump out of the race and go join > another. > > Look, this obviously isn't directed at the people who approach N3 to > actually race. But for those of you who keep intentionally smashing and > crashing, maybe you should consider Demolition Racers or whatever it's > called. > > Seriously. > > Andrew > (pulling on my flame-retardant suit)

Good point(s) There is nothing more frustrating than wrecking on the first lap (especially when it's not your fault) There are several well written articles around about proper online racing etiquette. If people took the time to read them, online racing would be a much better experience for all of us. One thing I try to do is find races that are made up of mostly league members. (I had a fantastic race the other night with members of DP) As expected, these races tend to run much cleaner. I have also switched to automatic at Talledega. I find I'm in alot more control at the beginning of the race. It doesn't seem to make me any faster or slower, just more in control. I think it's too bad that many people give up online racing because of a few "bad apples" Remember, some wrecks occur for other reasons too like warping and inexperience(not intentional). Remember the first time you won an online race? I do!(I still have the replay) Online racing can be a VERY rewarding experience, so stick with it :) Ivan In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote: > I'm noticing that 1 or 2 out of 10 races I join in are actual races.The > other 8 or 9 are basically just demolition derbies. If I'm lucky, Ijoin > a race with people who are way better than me. If I'm really lucky, > those groups sometimes race a few times in a row and share a little > knowledge. I'd rather lose to people with better skills than me than > lose to people who know how to wreck their cars "real nice" (and asmany

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> others as they can). > > I know I'm in luck when the host or someone else says "let's work > together". > > What gets old fast are the people who don't qualify in the top six and > decide to just smash into everyone since they might not win anyway. I > see this from my perspective - ususally way back in the grid, and I > almost always end up having to steer around a wreck caused by someone > who just isn't interested in racing. Sure, that puts me ahead of them

if > I make it around the wreck, but I'd rather earn it. > > And there *is* a difference between not holding your line and swerving > around to stop faster cars from passing. And I'm not talking aboutsome > bumping and trading paint, I'm talking about the people who rear endthe > car in front of them at the green flag because they don't have anyself > control, or immediately ramming the car next to them because theythink > it will get them ahead at the start, or the people who rear end you at > 150 mph under the yellow flag, then jump out of the race and go join > another. > > Look, this obviously isn't directed at the people who approach N3 to > actually race. But for those of you who keep intentionally smashingand

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> crashing, maybe you should consider Demolition Racers or whatever it's > called. > > Seriously. > > Andrew > (pulling on my flame-retardant suit) > >

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Totally agree.... I have given up with pick up races period... regardless of sim. I now ONLY race organised events with people I know are good drivers.... Makes for better racing.. and 1 good race is much betterthan 10 bad ones.. James Marc Collins <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FBhN4.145349$[email hidden]...

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> You don't need a flame-retardant suit...the rest of us share your > frustration with the utter futility of 95% of the pick-up races on WON. > > Marc. > > "Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I'm noticing that 1 or 2 out of 10 races I join in are actual races. The > > other 8 or 9 are basically just demolition derbies. If I'm lucky, I join > > a race with people who are way better than me. If I'm really lucky, > > those groups sometimes race a few times in a row and share a little > > knowledge. I'd rather lose to people with better skills than me than > > lose to people who know how to wreck their cars "real nice" (and as many > > others as they can). > > > > I know I'm in luck when the host or someone else says "let's work > > together". > > > > What gets old fast are the people who don't qualify in the top six and > > decide to just smash into everyone since they might not win anyway. I > > see this from my perspective - ususally way back in the grid, and I > > almost always end up having to steer around a wreck caused by someone > > who just isn't interested in racing. Sure, that puts me ahead of them if > > I make it around the wreck, but I'd rather earn it. > > > > And there *is* a difference between not holding your line and swerving > > around to stop faster cars from passing. And I'm not talking about some > > bumping and trading paint, I'm talking about the people who rear end the > > car in front of them at the green flag because they don't have any self > > control, or immediately ramming the car next to them because they think > > it will get them ahead at the start, or the people who rear end you at > > 150 mph under the yellow flag, then jump out of the race and go join > > another. > > > > Look, this obviously isn't directed at the people who approach N3 to > > actually race. But for those of you who keep intentionally smashing and > > crashing, maybe you should consider Demolition Racers or whatever it's > > called. > > > > Seriously. > > > > Andrew > > (pulling on my flame-retardant suit) > > > >

"Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote > I'm noticing that 1 or 2 out of 10 races I join in are actual races. Nothing you say will change things, unfortunately. Consider pickup races like Saturday nights at the short track. The only difference is that 1) people make even more risk since it's virtual racing 2) Crunching a car doesn't cost a dime, so people think less before passing 3) Not everybody has the abilities to be a good race car driver. Some people simply don't have it! We can't expect everybody to be a good driver :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

In article <8e7irn$rik$[email hidden]>, Ivan <[email hidden]> writes: >Remember the first time you won an online race? I do!(I still have the >replay) Online racing can be a VERY rewarding experience, so stick with >it :) > I'll let you know if it happens...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

You've renewed my faith. Hope to race some of you online sometime. Regards, Andrew

go to http://www.proracingclub.com/N3 and click on the rules/tips button on the left. You have to remember that online open racing is a mixed bag. It is much better to join a league or club where rules are inforced if you get somebody doing something bad on the track ;o) -- Bruce Moody AKA Deiter #33 Pro Racing Club Advertising Manager - http://www.proracingclub.com Racing Sponsor : American Network Products - http://www.networkcenter.com _______________________________________________________________ Ivan <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8e7irn$rik$[email hidden]... > Good point(s) > > There is nothing more frustrating than wrecking on the first lap > (especially when it's not your fault) > > There are several well written articles around about proper online > racing etiquette. If people took the time to read them, online racing > would be a much better experience for all of us. > > One thing I try to do is find races that are made up of mostly league > members. (I had a fantastic race the other night with members of DP) As > expected, these races tend to run much cleaner. > > I have also switched to automatic at Talledega. I find I'm in alot more > control at the beginning of the race. It doesn't seem to make me > any faster or slower, just more in control. > > I think it's too bad that many people give up online racing because of a > few "bad apples" Remember, some wrecks occur for other reasons > too like warping and inexperience(not intentional). > > Remember the first time you won an online race? I do!(I still have the > replay) Online racing can be a VERY rewarding experience, so stick with > it :) > > > Ivan > > > > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] wrote: > > I'm noticing that 1 or 2 out of 10 races I join in are actual races. > The > > other 8 or 9 are basically just demolition derbies. If I'm lucky, I > join > > a race with people who are way better than me. If I'm really lucky, > > those groups sometimes race a few times in a row and share a little > > knowledge. I'd rather lose to people with better skills than me than > > lose to people who know how to wreck their cars "real nice" (and as > many > > others as they can). > > > > I know I'm in luck when the host or someone else says "let's work > > together". > > > > What gets old fast are the people who don't qualify in the top six and > > decide to just smash into everyone since they might not win anyway. I > > see this from my perspective - ususally way back in the grid, and I > > almost always end up having to steer around a wreck caused by someone > > who just isn't interested in racing. Sure, that puts me ahead of them > if > > I make it around the wreck, but I'd rather earn it. > > > > And there *is* a difference between not holding your line and swerving > > around to stop faster cars from passing. And I'm not talking about > some > > bumping and trading paint, I'm talking about the people who rear end > the > > car in front of them at the green flag because they don't have any > self > > control, or immediately ramming the car next to them because they > think > > it will get them ahead at the start, or the people who rear end you at > > 150 mph under the yellow flag, then jump out of the race and go join > > another. > > > > Look, this obviously isn't directed at the people who approach N3 to > > actually race. But for those of you who keep intentionally smashing > and > > crashing, maybe you should consider Demolition Racers or whatever it's > > called. > > > > Seriously. > > > > Andrew > > (pulling on my flame-retardant suit) > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.