Re: zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

>Mmmmmmmn Suzuka... drool... > >Here's hoping Ya doesnt that sound great. Maybe GPLEA can help us all with that, Noonan does a good joobn infact grewat but hes tracks have the (invisible fence wall) but hey even he can probably make one. :) lets cross our fingers.

I have a "Thompson" folder aswell? What is that for?? In response to the above question, this is quite an interesting discovery! Maybe this is a clue to what we will be seeing next from Dave Noonan? Maybe it was just put there to see if anyone noticed and cause panic and excitement amongst all us GPL nuts:) Chris In article <6k0K4.12668$[email hidden]>, "Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote: >maybe should of e-mailed alison and asked, this will cause herno end of >problems now i'm sure :o( > > >"Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:SL%J4.88554$[email hidden]... >> When I started Alison's gplre yesterday I noticed there wasalso the >zeltweg >> and suz folders. Does Zeltweg and Suzuka exist for gpl??Where do they

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maybe should of e-mailed alison and asked, this will cause her no end of problems now i'm sure :o( "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SL%J4.88554$[email hidden]... > When I started Alison's gplre yesterday I noticed there was also thezeltweg > and suz folders. Does Zeltweg and Suzuka exist for gpl?? Where do theycome > from? I'm pretty sure no Papy sim has those tracks. > >

Mmmmmmmn Suzuka... drool... Here's hoping -- Cheers, Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. http://www.oppositelock.co.uk N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends Tim Vanhee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SL%J4.88554$[email hidden]... | When I started Alison's gplre yesterday I noticed there was also the zeltweg | and suz folders. Does Zeltweg and Suzuka exist for gpl?? Where do they come | from? I'm pretty sure no Papy sim has those tracks. | |

In article <JS0K4.12623$[email hidden]>, "Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote: >thompson is an oval from nascar legends > >Oh! Thanks Tim, havn't even seen NL on the shelfs here yet. I hope I will be able to get the acceleration pack. Chris * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

When I started Alison's gplre yesterday I noticed there was also the zeltweg and suz folders. Does Zeltweg and Suzuka exist for gpl?? Where do they come from? I'm pretty sure no Papy sim has those tracks.

thompson is an oval from nascar legends "Chris Bloom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I have a "Thompson" folder aswell? What is that for?? > > In response to the above question, this is quite an interesting > discovery! Maybe this is a clue to what we will be seeing next > from Dave Noonan? Maybe it was just put there to see if anyone > noticed and cause panic and excitement amongst all us GPL nuts:) > > Chris > > In article <6k0K4.12668$[email hidden]>, "Tim > Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >maybe should of e-mailed alison and asked, this will cause her > no end of > >problems now i'm sure :o( > > > > > >"Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:SL%J4.88554$[email hidden]... > >> When I started Alison's gplre yesterday I noticed there was > also the > >zeltweg > >> and suz folders. Does Zeltweg and Suzuka exist for gpl?? > Where do they > >come > >> from? I'm pretty sure no Papy sim has those tracks. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network

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"Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote > When I started Alison's gplre yesterday I noticed there was also thezeltweg > and suz folders. Does Zeltweg and Suzuka exist for gpl?? Where do theycome > from? I'm pretty sure no Papy sim has those tracks. I had a GPAL folder in mine????? Hehehe ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

You can drive over the bridge in Snetterton.

I think i heard that in GPL track can't make an 8 ( one part of the track going under the bridge of the other part of the track ). Suzuka is just like that so i don't think we'll see Suzuka for GPL. Borut "Tony StewartNo20" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Mmmmmmmn Suzuka... drool... > > > >Here's hoping > > Ya doesnt that sound great. Maybe GPLEA can help us all with that, Noonandoes > a good joobn infact grewat but hes tracks have the (invisible fence wall)but > hey even he can probably make one. :) > lets cross our fingers. >

Think again... Phil Borut Srebotnik wrote:

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> > I think i heard that in GPL track can't make an 8 ( one part of the track > going under the bridge of the other part of the track ). Suzuka is just like > that so i don't think we'll see Suzuka for GPL. > > Borut > > "Tony StewartNo20" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > >Mmmmmmmn Suzuka... drool... > > > > > >Here's hoping > > > > Ya doesnt that sound great. Maybe GPLEA can help us all with that, Noonan > does > > a good joobn infact grewat but hes tracks have the (invisible fence wall) > but > > hey even he can probably make one. :) > > lets cross our fingers. > >

>You can drive over the bridge in Snetterton. Also in Silverstone. But if I remember right, somebody wrote times ago that if you are on the bridge, the cars driving _under_ the bridge will collide with you... I haven't tried that, though. Arto

I'm thinking again now, but... Maybe i should upgrade my brain, but the damn update program keeps telling me "Upgrade failure, no brain found!" What the f***? Anyone know a solution? Now seriously, is there an 8-shaped track for GPL? IRC1, IRC2, N1, N2, N3, NL? Borut

i wrote that - what i said was the AI will try and avoid you if you are on the bridge above the track. and it doesn't apply to figure of 8 bits of track, at least so i've heard... Phil Arto Wikla wrote:

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> > >You can drive over the bridge in Snetterton. > > Also in Silverstone. But if I remember right, somebody wrote times ago > that if you are on the bridge, the cars driving _under_ the bridge will > collide with you... I haven't tried that, though. > > Arto

You can drive over the bridge in Snetterton.

Phil Flack wrote: > i wrote that - what i said was the AI will try and avoid you if you are > on the bridge above the track. and it doesn't apply to figure of 8 bits > of track, at least so i've heard... If it's just an AI problem, then we could still race on VROC at Suzuka! Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

I've sat on the bridge at Silverstone for a while and plenty of cars drove underneath without hitting me. Chris In article <wikla.955915069@rullouri>, [email hidden] (Arto Wikla) wrote: >>You can drive over the bridge in Snetterton. > >Also in Silverstone. But if I remember right, somebody wrotetimes ago >that if you are on the bridge, the cars driving _under_ thebridge will >collide with you... I haven't tried that, though. > >Arto > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

Suzuka.... Somehow I doubt it. Tell me if I'm wrong but in GPL you cannot have a crossover because of problems with collision detection. Ain't this why the general concensus is that the Monza banking is a no-no? MS "Tony StewartNo20" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Mmmmmmmn Suzuka... drool... > > > >Here's hoping > > Ya doesnt that sound great. Maybe GPLEA can help us all with that, Noonandoes > a good joobn infact grewat but hes tracks have the (invisible fence wall)but > hey even he can probably make one. :) > lets cross our fingers. >

And at Silverstone Tim. The trouble starts when groups of cars start passing underneath. MS "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iyoK4.95283$[email hidden]... > You can drive over the bridge in Snetterton. > >

That's the sort of thing - or write a really clever program to 'insert' the banking... Gulp! Besides - it's only banked Monza! (cue the comments...) Phil Tim Vanhee wrote:

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> > It's because of copyrights or something like that that we don't have a > banked Monza. It would be possible to make it I guess. > If they want to make a Monza they have to make it all over again without > using any part of the existing files. I may be wrong but I guess it's > something like that, right Phil? > > m.seery <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws > ZVFK4.3909$[email hidden]... > > Suzuka.... > > > > Somehow I doubt it. Tell me if I'm wrong but in GPL you cannot have a > > crossover because of problems with collision detection. Ain't this why the > > general concensus is that the Monza banking is a no-no?

It's because of copyrights or something like that that we don't have a banked Monza. It would be possible to make it I guess. If they want to make a Monza they have to make it all over again without using any part of the existing files. I may be wrong but I guess it's something like that, right Phil? m.seery <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws ZVFK4.3909$[email hidden]... > Suzuka.... > > Somehow I doubt it. Tell me if I'm wrong but in GPL you cannot have a > crossover because of problems with collision detection. Ain't this why the > general concensus is that the Monza banking is a no-no?

>Zeltweg was Dave's original name for what became the Osterreichring. > >Suz? Oops. No comment. And please stop drooling over your computer, >willya? <grin> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Zeltweg was Dave's original name for what became the Osterreichring. Suz? Oops. No comment. And please stop drooling over your computer, willya? <grin> Alison On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:19:14 GMT, "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote: >When I started Alison's gplre yesterday I noticed there was also the zeltweg >and suz folders. Does Zeltweg and Suzuka exist for gpl?? Where do they come >from? I'm pretty sure no Papy sim has those tracks. > Alison From: [email hidden] Reply-To: [email hidden] Remove the spam blocker NOSPAM to email me. http://eaglewoman.maximumspeed.com

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

YESYESYES!! (sorry for the caps but this is great) Alison Hine <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws [email hidden]...

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> Zeltweg was Dave's original name for what became the Osterreichring. > > Suz? Oops. No comment. And please stop drooling over your computer, > willya? <grin> > > Alison > > On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:19:14 GMT, "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >When I started Alison's gplre yesterday I noticed there was also the

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> >from? I'm pretty sure no Papy sim has those tracks. > > > > > Alison > > From: [email hidden] > Reply-To: [email hidden] > Remove the spam blocker NOSPAM to email me. > http://eaglewoman.maximumspeed.com

And if Suzuka is possible... then a banked Monza will be possible too!!! Andre On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:40:45 GMT, "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>YESYESYES!! >(sorry for the caps but this is great) > > >Alison Hine <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws >[email hidden]... >> Zeltweg was Dave's original name for what became the Osterreichring. >> >> Suz? Oops. No comment. And please stop drooling over your computer, >> willya? <grin> >> >> Alison >> >> On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:19:14 GMT, "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >When I started Alison's gplre yesterday I noticed there was also the >zeltweg >> >and suz folders. Does Zeltweg and Suzuka exist for gpl?? Where do they >come >> >from? I'm pretty sure no Papy sim has those tracks. >> > >> >> >> Alison >> >> From: [email hidden] >> Reply-To: [email hidden] >> Remove the spam blocker NOSPAM to email me. >> http://eaglewoman.maximumspeed.com > >

sure, just keep telling yourself that. :) Hey we got Daytona and Indy, why not Monza? dave henrie Andre Warringa wrote:

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> > And if Suzuka is possible... then a banked Monza will be possible > too!!! > > Andre > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:40:45 GMT, "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >YESYESYES!! > >(sorry for the caps but this is great) > > > > > >Alison Hine <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws > >[email hidden]... > >> Zeltweg was Dave's original name for what became the Osterreichring. > >> > >> Suz? Oops. No comment. And please stop drooling over your computer, > >> willya? <grin> > >> > >> Alison > >> > >> On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:19:14 GMT, "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >When I started Alison's gplre yesterday I noticed there was also the > >zeltweg > >> >and suz folders. Does Zeltweg and Suzuka exist for gpl?? Where do they > >come > >> >from? I'm pretty sure no Papy sim has those tracks. > >> > > >> > >> > >> Alison > >> > >> From: [email hidden] > >> Reply-To: [email hidden] > >> Remove the spam blocker NOSPAM to email me. > >> http://eaglewoman.maximumspeed.com > > > >

Stephen wrote: > > The banked monza track is available for GP2. Could this be converted for GPL > ? > I am told that the GP2 format would make a good standard for all third party > tracks. > How about a GP2 to GPL converter. WHERE?????? -- Greetings :)RuuD� +------------------------------+ mailto:[email hidden]

>A AI race at a banked Monza would be impossible, or at least >interesting each time two cars go over each other at the bridge. I don't know that much about GPL track editing but I imagine there's a difference between a car driving onto an object over the track, and a car on a piece of track that goes over another. The GPL engine would treat them differently and probably "allow" it. -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

>* I have no desire to make banked monza. Then surely it's time to "share the knowledge" ? -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

You can do your own testing at the Pants Ring made by GPLEA http://www.gpl.netti.nu/ LOL. Now that track is hilarious. Has anyone been able to ride around on the Pants logo at the top of the bowl for more than 2 turns? LOL. Jason. Dave Henrie wrote:

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> Didn't we here of problems with GPL cars on tracks with High banking. > I'm not sure I remember the thread, but wasn't the summary that > GPL's car physics are limited to a certain # of degrees and some of the > Nascar tracks exceeded that? The cars would stil run but exhibted odd > driving characteristics... > Anyone remember this? > Dave Henrie >

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I was thinking about the problem at Ascari, where the banking runs over the Ascari corner (or just before the corner). Some people said that a banked Monza would be impossible because the gpl engine couldn't handle overlaying tracks. But if Suzuka is possible... Andre On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:08:04 GMT, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>sure, just keep telling yourself that. :) Hey we got Daytona and >Indy, why not Monza? >dave henrie > >Andre Warringa wrote: >> >> And if Suzuka is possible... then a banked Monza will be possible >> too!!! >> >> Andre

[email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: > I was thinking about the problem at Ascari, where the banking runs > over the Ascari corner (or just before the corner). Some people said > that a banked Monza would be impossible because the gpl engine > couldn't handle overlaying tracks. But if Suzuka is possible... > Have anyone yet tried in a multiplayer race on Snetterton to put one car on the bridge and let other cars race under it ? The AI messes up since they think a car is in their way but what about human cars ? I certainly have been under flying cars in first corner havocs. A AI race at a banked Monza would be impossible, or at least interesting each time two cars go over each other at the bridge. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

Uhh... any guys want to donate some money also? Aha. That explains a LOT... Just go watch the movie damnit, before saying things like this! :) Andre

Interesting. Coming saturday I will drive on the Ring for the first time (in real life), I'll let you know how those bankings feel! Andre On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:34:57 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

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>Trivia:- >The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were never actually >designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat tarmac; >the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain water!! >It was only after some smart drivers started to use the "banking" and >lowered their lap times that it became accepted practise by everyone racing >there to follow suit.

That should be very interesting Andre. Just don't go too fast, rememeber there is no Shift-R in real life and I will be interested to hear your accounts of the real life circuit. Somehow I very much doubt it's as realistic as the one in GPL.<G> Chris >Interesting. Coming saturday I will drive on the Ring for the first

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>time (in real life), I'll let you know how those bankings feel! >Andre >On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:34:57 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" >>Trivia:- >>The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were

never actually >>designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat tarmac; >>the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain water!! >>It was only after some smart drivers started to use the "banking" and >>lowered their lap times that it became accepted practise by everyone racing >>there to follow suit. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

If that's true Olav, if the only problem with an overlaying track is a crashing AI, then making a banked Monza for online racing shouldn't be that hard? I don't know anything about track editing (wish I did, we would have a banked Monza en Lemans allready now!) but adding a beeeg steeep oval to the Monza track can't be that difficult to make? Or am I thinking to simple here? David? GPLEA friends? Pretty please? Andre On 26 Apr 2000 12:56:37 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote: >A AI race at a banked Monza would be impossible, or at least >interesting each time two cars go over each other at the bridge. > >-- >Olav K. Malmin >remove spam when replying

Here we go, time to set a few records straight: * Making a banked track is easy. I've done that. * Making a cross-over should be possible (suzuka and all). * The AI *might* have a problem at the crossover point, but shouldn't * I have no desire to make banked monza. * IIRC, Monza when banked had the track broken into two down the s/f straight, which makes life easier. * The way I make tracks, it will not be possible to have any objects placed around the cross-over (so no bridge as there is now). * Strange stuff might happen if you try and access the opposite part of the track around the cross-over (which might be the case because the 'ceiling' around all tracks is 1000ft). * To make banked monza, you would have to recreate the entire track over, because it would be A Bad Thing to hack the existing monza to add the banked oval. Phil If there is no spoon, how do they drive at Suzuka ? Andre Warringa wrote:

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> > If that's true Olav, if the only problem with an overlaying track is a > crashing AI, then making a banked Monza for online racing shouldn't be > that hard? I don't know anything about track editing (wish I did, we > would have a banked Monza en Lemans allready now!) but adding a beeeg > steeep oval to the Monza track can't be that difficult to make? > Or am I thinking to simple here? > > David? GPLEA friends? Pretty please? > > Andre > > On 26 Apr 2000 12:56:37 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav > K. Malmin) wrote: > > >A AI race at a banked Monza would be impossible, or at least > >interesting each time two cars go over each other at the bridge. > > > >-- > >Olav K. Malmin > >remove spam when replying

>Here we go, time to set a few records straight: > >* Making a banked track is easy. I've done that. Ok, first problem is out of the way :) >* Making a cross-over should be possible (suzuka and all). Going great so far! >* The AI *might* have a problem at the crossover point, but shouldn't Even if the AI had problems, no problem, we can still use it for online racing! Great!!! >* I have no desire to make banked monza. Another problem out of the way! This is really gre- ... ... What? Why not? I'll gladly pay you for it... are you for hire? >* The way I make tracks, it will not be possible to have any objects >placed around the cross-over (so no bridge as there is now). Ok, I forgive you. But only if you do make a banked Monza then :) >* Strange stuff might happen if you try and access the opposite part of >the track around the cross-over (which might be the case because the >'ceiling' around all tracks is 1000ft). I don't quite understand this one... >* To make banked monza, you would have to recreate the entire track >over, because it would be A Bad Thing to hack the existing monza to add >the banked oval. Let me handle this. Dear Mr. Cassidy, would you mind if we, being fanatic Papy fans and all that, borrowed the Monza track for making it even more beautiful than you did? Ok, thanks. Phil, go ahead. Seriously Phil, go watch the movie Grand Prix. After you saw that movie, you'll surely want to make a banked Monza? Andre >Phil > >If there is no spoon, how do they drive at Suzuka ?

>> >> Why not? I'll gladly pay you for it... are you for hire? > >Yes. Pay me and I will be happy (and I might even make monza). But >then you'll have to pay all those companies that will get advertising >(or some such licensing crap)... Uhh... any guys want to donate some money also? >> Seriously Phil, go watch the movie Grand Prix. After you saw that >> movie, you'll surely want to make a banked Monza? >Hmm.. never seen that movie. Will have to buy from somewhere. Aha. That explains a LOT... >Phil >(still unconvinced about doing monza, because it's... monza. dull, >lifeless. monza. whoooo. much more interested in fun tracks ;-) Just go watch the movie damnit, before saying things like this! :) Andre

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> > >* I have no desire to make banked monza. > > Another problem out of the way! This is really gre- ... > > ... > > What? > > Why not? I'll gladly pay you for it... are you for hire?

Yes. Pay me and I will be happy (and I might even make monza). But then you'll have to pay all those companies that will get advertising (or some such licensing crap)... > Seriously Phil, go watch the movie Grand Prix. After you saw that > movie, you'll surely want to make a banked Monza? Hmm.. never seen that movie. Will have to buy from somewhere. Phil (still unconvinced about doing monza, because it's... monza. dull, lifeless. monza. whoooo. much more interested in fun tracks ;-)

Didn't we here of problems with GPL cars on tracks with High banking. I'm not sure I remember the thread, but wasn't the summary that GPL's car physics are limited to a certain # of degrees and some of the Nascar tracks exceeded that? The cars would stil run but exhibted odd driving characteristics... Anyone remember this? Dave Henrie Graeme Nash wrote:

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> > >* I have no desire to make banked monza. > > Then surely it's time to "share the knowledge" ? > > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash

Didn't we here of problems with GPL cars on tracks with High banking. I'm not sure I remember the thread, but wasn't the summary that GPL's car physics are limited to a certain # of degrees and some of the Nascar tracks exceeded that? The cars would stil run but exhibted odd driving characteristics... Anyone remember this? Dave Henrie Graeme Nash wrote:

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> > >* I have no desire to make banked monza. > > Then surely it's time to "share the knowledge" ? > > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash

Jason Monds writes: >You can do your own testing at the Pants Ring made by GPLEA >http://www.gpl.netti.nu/ >LOL. Now that track is hilarious. Has anyone been able to ride around on >the Pants logo at the top of the bowl for more than 2 turns? LOL. A great and extremely crazy track! It really seems to be possible to make bankings to GPL... :-) My record on the Pants logo is perhaps only something like 0.75 turns... And then to the skies! Arto

-- Dave Henrie wrote in message <[email hidden]>... > Didn't we here of problems with GPL cars on tracks with High banking. >I'm not sure I remember the thread, but wasn't the summary that >GPL's car physics are limited to a certain # of degrees and some of the >Nascar tracks exceeded that? The cars would stil run but exhibted odd >driving characteristics... > Anyone remember this? >Dave Henrie > just curious.. What would the two banked turns be considered at Nurburgring? Anyhow, looking at the P-Ring, there might be a problem with banking. At first I thought it was just the two different formats (Nx vs. GPL) but after seeing P-Ring I have my doubts.

Jason Monds wrote in message <[email hidden]>... >You can do your own testing at the Pants Ring made by GPLEA >http://www.gpl.netti.nu/ > >LOL. Now that track is hilarious. Has anyone been able to ride around on >the Pants logo at the top of the bowl for more than 2 turns? LOL. > hehe.. ask any NASCAR driver, they'll probably say yes. After all, as someone else pointed out, they make 4 turns out of an oval and never count in any of the dog leg turns.<g>

The banking at the Pants Ring was designed so you could get the car at 90 degrees. Thus it is made out of 16 invidually angled rings of track. Because of the limits of GPL, these sections are linearly sloped - thus driving with the imposed minimal tyre contact patch is very difficult. Normally banked tracks either have smoothly curved cross-sections, or are simply a piece of track where the outside has been raised - thus one flat piece. And no, the human controlled cars don't seem to exhibit any weird physics, but the AI have big problems! Oh, and just to throw another spanner in, I've discovered that it is possible to slipstream with both cars in mid air ! Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Phil Dave Henrie wrote:

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> > Didn't we here of problems with GPL cars on tracks with High banking. > I'm not sure I remember the thread, but wasn't the summary that > GPL's car physics are limited to a certain # of degrees and some of the > Nascar tracks exceeded that? The cars would stil run but exhibted odd > driving characteristics... > Anyone remember this? > Dave Henrie > > Graeme Nash wrote: > > > > >* I have no desire to make banked monza. > > > > Then surely it's time to "share the knowledge" ? > > > > -- > > Cheers! > > Graeme Nash

www.alphaf1.com/gp2 i forget where it is, but its there. Stephen wrote: > > The banked monza track is available for GP2. Could this be converted for GPL > ? > I am told that the GP2 format would make a good standard for all third party > tracks. > How about a GP2 to GPL converter.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Trivia:- >The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were never actually >designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat tarmac; >the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain water!! > >It was only after some smart drivers started to use the "banking" and >lowered their lap times that it became accepted practise by everyone racing >there to follow suit. >

Cool! Who was the first? <g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>You are correct, at least according to Manfred von Brauchtisch (sp), >legendary Mercedes team leader back in the 30's, I believe it was one of >the pre war Mercedes drivers who used it first, in a last lap effort to >take the win, and if memory serves me right, he was successful too > >Damn, can't remember the name, but it was one of the big names in >Mercedes' racing history..... >

Hans Stuch? -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Phil Flack <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> Seriously Phil, go watch the movie Grand Prix. After you saw that >> movie, you'll surely want to make a banked Monza? > >Hmm.. never seen that movie. Will have to buy from somewhere. > >Phil >(still unconvinced about doing monza, because it's... monza. dull, >lifeless. monza. whoooo. much more interested in fun tracks ;-) >

Somebody PLEASE send this man a copy of Grand Prix...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

[email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: > I'm not sure Olav. Saturday I will go to Hockenheim (me and my friend > want to visit the cross placed at the spot where Clark died), then > we'll go to the Ring, and Sunday we will visit Spa and Zolder in > Belgium. Great, I can imagine you guys trying to do the Masta with public traffic at 200 MPH :) > We'll be driving the Ring in my friend's Alfa 156. Problem is that he > has lowered his car very much, I hope this isn't too much of a problem > on the Ring... > Ofcourse I will make lots of photos and will post them online. Yes please. > I hope I can make it back in time for the race! Hehe, then we will not hear other than your raving :)) ps: and please start your post after the qoute, things gets so messy :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

Andre Warringa wrote in message ... >Interesting. Coming saturday I will drive on the Ring for the first >time (in real life), I'll let you know how those bankings feel! Prepare yourself for a rough ride! :). But the downward G-forces are great, esp in Karusell. Read my report at http://fgplc.figc.net/ You can find links for Ring and Rouen reports from the bottom of the front page. Also, if you're interested, lots of pictures here: http://puskarutaja.figc.net/spa.htm http://puskarutaja.figc.net/nurburgr.htm The pages are in Finnish but the pics are great :) Hena

"Hena H�kk�nen" <[email hidden]> writes: > Also, if you're interested, lots of pictures here: > http://puskarutaja.figc.net/spa.htm > http://puskarutaja.figc.net/nurburgr.htm > The pages are in Finnish but the pics are great :) Great pictures. I first reacted to that there are a lot more threes than in GPL, but then come to think about 1967 was 33 years ago, and 33 years worth of wood less :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

The banked monza track is available for GP2. Could this be converted for GPL ? I am told that the GP2 format would make a good standard for all third party tracks. How about a GP2 to GPL converter.

I heartily endorse your reasoning, Phil. Now go and make Solitude! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. ---------------------------

Trivia:- The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were never actually designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat tarmac; the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain water!! It was only after some smart drivers started to use the "banking" and lowered their lap times that it became accepted practise by everyone racing there to follow suit. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- > -- > > Didn't we here of problems with GPL cars on tracks with High banking. > >I'm not sure I remember the thread, but wasn't the summary that > >GPL's car physics are limited to a certain # of degrees and some of the > >Nascar tracks exceeded that? The cars would stil run but exhibted odd > >driving characteristics... > > Anyone remember this? > >Dave Henrie > just curious.. What would the two banked turns be considered at > Nurburgring? Anyhow, looking at the P-Ring, there might be a problem with > banking. At first I thought it was just the two different formats (Nx vs. > GPL) but after seeing P-Ring I have my doubts.

Bruce... sometimes, there are moments when you better can't say anything... especially when I'm trying to convince Phil in making the banked Monza! :) Andre On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:27:53 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" >I heartily endorse your reasoning, Phil. >Now go and make Solitude! :-)

It's a little bit disapointing, the banking in GP2 can't have more than a 10 degrees (or so) banking... but fun nevertheless. Andre

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>www.alphaf1.com/gp2 >i forget where it is, but its there. >> The banked monza track is available for GP2. Could this be converted for GPL >> ? >> I am told that the GP2 format would make a good standard for all third party >> tracks. >> How about a GP2 to GPL converter.

% Didn't we here of problems with GPL cars on tracks with High banking. % I'm not sure I remember the thread, but wasn't the summary that % GPL's car physics are limited to a certain # of degrees and some of the % Nascar tracks exceeded that? The cars would stil run but exhibted odd % driving characteristics... % Anyone remember this? % Dave Henrie I think this applied to the laws applying to creating AI files in GPL. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Did I read it here or someplace else that the grass and dirt "ditch" at the Karussell was first used by Juan Fangio's mechanic while checking out the car prior to a race. He told Juan, Juan used it in the race and the next year they put the concrete down. I don't know how close this is to the truth but it makes for a good story. On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:34:57 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

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>Trivia:- >The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were never actually >designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat tarmac; >the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain water!! >It was only after some smart drivers started to use the "banking" and >lowered their lap times that it became accepted practise by everyone racing >there to follow suit.

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> Interesting. Coming saturday I will drive on the Ring for the first > time (in real life), I'll let you know how those bankings feel! Lucky bastard. Will that mean that you won't participate in IGPLC-F3 on sunday ? Not that a tradeoff like that would need any cosideration :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

I'm not sure Olav. Saturday I will go to Hockenheim (me and my friend want to visit the cross placed at the spot where Clark died), then we'll go to the Ring, and Sunday we will visit Spa and Zolder in Belgium. We'll be driving the Ring in my friend's Alfa 156. Problem is that he has lowered his car very much, I hope this isn't too much of a problem on the Ring... Ofcourse I will make lots of photos and will post them online. I hope I can make it back in time for the race! Andre

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>> Interesting. Coming saturday I will drive on the Ring for the first >> time (in real life), I'll let you know how those bankings feel! >Lucky bastard. Will that mean that you won't participate in IGPLC-F3 >on sunday ? Not that a tradeoff like that would need any cosideration :) >-- >Olav K. Malmin >remove spam when replying

writes: Cool! Who was the first? <g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

After reading your report a couple of months ago, I got the idea to visit the ring myself... great report. Andre On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:43:47 +0300, "Hena H�kk�nen" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Andre Warringa wrote in message ... >>Interesting. Coming saturday I will drive on the Ring for the first >>time (in real life), I'll let you know how those bankings feel! > >Prepare yourself for a rough ride! :). But the downward G-forces are great, >esp in Karusell. Read my report at http://fgplc.figc.net/ > >You can find links for Ring and Rouen reports from the bottom of the front >page. > >Also, if you're interested, lots of pictures here: >http://puskarutaja.figc.net/spa.htm >http://puskarutaja.figc.net/nurburgr.htm >The pages are in Finnish but the pics are great :) > >Hena > > > >

On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:34:57 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Trivia:- >The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were never actually >designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat tarmac; >the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain water!! All I know is that they're a bitch to hit just right. <g> Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL

Great links by the way, but the Spa site missed a lot of photos, shame. Oh well, saturday I'll see it in 3d :) Andre On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:43:47 +0300, "Hena H�kk�nen" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Andre Warringa wrote in message ... >>Interesting. Coming saturday I will drive on the Ring for the first >>time (in real life), I'll let you know how those bankings feel! > >Prepare yourself for a rough ride! :). But the downward G-forces are great, >esp in Karusell. Read my report at http://fgplc.figc.net/ > >You can find links for Ring and Rouen reports from the bottom of the front >page. > >Also, if you're interested, lots of pictures here: >http://puskarutaja.figc.net/spa.htm >http://puskarutaja.figc.net/nurburgr.htm >The pages are in Finnish but the pics are great :) > >Hena > > > >

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> > Trivia:- > The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were never actually > designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat tarmac; > the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain water!! > > It was only after some smart drivers started to use the "banking" and > lowered their lap times that it became accepted practise by everyone racing > there to follow suit.

You are correct, at least according to Manfred von Brauchtisch (sp), legendary Mercedes team leader back in the 30's, I believe it was one of the pre war Mercedes drivers who used it first, in a last lap effort to take the win, and if memory serves me right, he was successful too Damn, can't remember the name, but it was one of the big names in Mercedes' racing history..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Andre Warringa wrote: > > Interesting. Coming saturday I will drive on the Ring for the first > time (in real life), I'll let you know how those bankings feel! Don't do what I did, I was chasing an old 911 through the twisty bits, and I thought he was going so slow through the banking that I decided to go for an outside move... Let me put it like this, it was proven beyond any doubt that you can go considerably faster through the banked section, even if you are a wimp, than you can go through the flat bit.........I must have chased that slide for at least a 100 yards or so......good thing my old Ascona B was well mannered when you took it beyond its limits :-) If you get a chance to have a ride in the "Renn Taxi", take it, it's some of the best money I've ever spend, I still have a VBFG whenever I think back on that ride <VBFG> Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Andre, Seems like some of the are misspelled or something.. 'cause all the pictures can be found here: http://puskarutaja.figc.net/Spa-Francorchamps/ Ed_ The GPLEAMGD "Andre Warringa" wrote:

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> Great links by the way, but the Spa site missed a lot of photos, > shame. Oh well, saturday I'll see it in 3d :) > > Andre > > > On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:43:47 +0300, "Hena H�kk�nen" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Andre Warringa wrote in message ... > >>Interesting. Coming saturday I will drive on the Ring for the first > >>time (in real life), I'll let you know how those bankings feel! > > > >Prepare yourself for a rough ride! :). But the downward G-forces are

great, > >esp in Karusell. Read my report at http://fgplc.figc.net/ > > > >You can find links for Ring and Rouen reports from the bottom of thefront

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> >page. > > > >Also, if you're interested, lots of pictures here: > >http://puskarutaja.figc.net/spa.htm > >http://puskarutaja.figc.net/nurburgr.htm > >The pages are in Finnish but the pics are great :) > > > >Hena > > > > > > > > >

No, you're wrong. They were designed as banked corners. In the dim past the banked parts were even tarmac. Regards, -Thorsten Rueter Brett C. Cammack <[email hidden]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag: [email hidden]... > On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:34:57 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >Trivia:- > >The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were neveractually > >designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flattarmac; > >the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rainwater!!

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> > All I know is that they're a bitch to hit just right. <g> > > Regards, > Brett C. Cammack > That's Racing! Motorsports > Pompano Beach, FL

Cool, thanks Ed. Andre On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 16:50:36 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Andre, >Seems like some of the are misspelled or something.. 'cause all the pictures >can be found here: >http://puskarutaja.figc.net/Spa-Francorchamps/ > >Ed_ >The GPLEAMGD

On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:12:32 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >If you get a chance to have a ride in the "Renn Taxi", take it, it's >some of the best money I've ever spend, I still have a VBFG whenever I >think back on that ride <VBFG> What's that Goy, a Renn Taxi? Andre

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> > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > Trivia:- > > The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were never actually > > designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat tarmac; > > the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain water!! > > > > It was only after some smart drivers started to use the "banking" and > > lowered their lap times that it became accepted practise by everyone racing > > there to follow suit. > > You are correct, at least according to Manfred von Brauchtisch (sp), > legendary Mercedes team leader back in the 30's, I believe it was one of > the pre war Mercedes drivers who used it first, in a last lap effort to > take the win, and if memory serves me right, he was successful too > > Damn, can't remember the name, but it was one of the big names in > Mercedes' racing history.....

Ugh, that's what I get from using my fading memory, the team leader was of course Alfred Neubauer, and the driver was Rudolf Caracciola.......sigh, I can remember that my memory was very good once, but that's about all I can remember with certainty these days :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting are the only true sports...all others are games." --Ernest Hemingway--

But Solitude would be _SO_ much more entertaining, Andre! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce... sometimes, there are moments when you better can't say > anything... especially when I'm trying to convince Phil in making the > banked Monza! :) > > Andre > > On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:27:53 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I heartily endorse your reasoning, Phil. > > > >Now go and make Solitude! :-) >

I thought that it was actually earlier than that, Randy....in the 1930's. Once again, I need to cross-reference my reference library so that I can pin these bloody tid-bits down once and for all! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Randy <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Did I read it here or someplace else that the grass and dirt "ditch" > at the Karussell was first used by Juan Fangio's mechanic while > checking out the car prior to a race. He told Juan, Juan used it in > the race and the next year they put the concrete down. I don't know > how close this is to the truth but it makes for a good story. > > On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:34:57 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Trivia:- > >The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were never actually > >designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat tarmac; > >the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain water!! > > > >It was only after some smart drivers started to use the "banking" and > >lowered their lap times that it became accepted practise by everyone racing > >there to follow suit. > > To email me remove the "u"s

The problem is that GP2 and GPL have likely absolutely no similarities in track formats. GP2s is obviously easier to crack - look at the number of tracks and the editor!! The only reason you see converters of any kind (notice how they are ALL from Papy to Papy? N2><ICR2, N3><NL, ICR2>N3>GPL, etc etc) is because all Papy games have similar formats for the tracks. Kinda like comparing DOS 6.22 to Win98SE. Enough differences that it takes work to port something written especially for DOS 6.22 to 98SE, but enough similarites that it is possible. -- Kirk Lane [email hidden] [email hidden] ICQ: 28171652 BRT #187 "Yeah you won't find me I'm going MIA Tonight I'm leaving Going MIA Getting lost in you again Is better than being known" -Foo Fighters, "MIA" Stephen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The banked monza track is available for GP2. Could this be converted for GPL > ? > I am told that the GP2 format would make a good standard for all third party > tracks. > How about a GP2 to GPL converter. > > >

I'll second that comment! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Brett C. Cammack <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:34:57 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >Trivia:- > >The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were never actually > >designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat tarmac; > >the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain water!! > > All I know is that they're a bitch to hit just right. <g> > > Regards, > Brett C. Cammack > That's Racing! Motorsports > Pompano Beach, FL

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> > On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:12:32 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >If you get a chance to have a ride in the "Renn Taxi", take it, it's > >some of the best money I've ever spend, I still have a VBFG whenever I > >think back on that ride <VBFG> > > What's that Goy, a Renn Taxi?

Back in 94 when I was there last, it was a BMW M5 with a roll cage and a professional driver, think it was Michael Martini at the time, the cost was 75 DM for one lap, but that was divided among the 3 passengers... Let's just say that the guy knew his stuff, and if you divide the 75 DM with 22 km, the price was about the same as a normal TAXI ride here in Norway :-))) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:38:23 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Andre Warringa wrote: >> >> On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:12:32 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >If you get a chance to have a ride in the "Renn Taxi", take it, it's >> >some of the best money I've ever spend, I still have a VBFG whenever I >> >think back on that ride <VBFG> >> >> What's that Goy, a Renn Taxi? > >Back in 94 when I was there last, it was a BMW M5 with a roll cage and a >professional driver, think it was Michael Martini at the time, the cost >was 75 DM for one lap, but that was divided among the 3 passengers... > >Let's just say that the guy knew his stuff, and if you divide the 75 DM >with 22 km, the price was about the same as a normal TAXI ride here in >Norway :-)))

Oh, no need for that for me Goy, my friend KNOWS how to race a car... he often scares the hell out of me while he's driving :) Andre

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> > >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy > >"Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ >"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > >* Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * >"Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:28:27 -0700, "Kirk Lane" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The problem is that GP2 and GPL have likely absolutely no similarities in >track formats. GP2s is obviously easier to crack - look at the number of >tracks and the editor!! Not necessarilly the right conclusion :-) Paul Hoad started cracking the track format way back when F1GP was released (1992?). Add to this the very "open" attitude of everyone involved and the large userbase. JoH

Andre Warringa wrote: > > Oh, no need for that for me Goy, my friend KNOWS how to race a car... > he often scares the hell out of me while he's driving :) Yes, but does he know the Ring ? Trust me, it's still worth it :-))) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > There you go....I should've read the most recent post before answering your > question because I would've seen that your brain had defrosted and that > you'd remembered the name yourself. Actually, it was "Thoroughbred and Classic Cars" that helped me :-), knew those old mags would come in handy some time > I MUST start reading these posts from the most recent! Naa, where would the fun be then Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:50:21 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >Andre Warringa wrote: >> >> Oh, no need for that for me Goy, my friend KNOWS how to race a car... >> he often scares the hell out of me while he's driving :) > >Yes, but does he know the Ring ? Uh, has the Ring changed much since '67? :)

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> > On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:50:21 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Andre Warringa wrote: > >> > >> Oh, no need for that for me Goy, my friend KNOWS how to race a car... > >> he often scares the hell out of me while he's driving :) > > > >Yes, but does he know the Ring ? > > Uh, has the Ring changed much since '67? :)

I believe the layout it still the same, but some of the jumps have been smoothened out a bit I think, although in the Renn Taxi we still got airborne, I've not driven this course enough, neither in GPL nor in real life, to answer that Q properly, but others in here have stated as much, so if you know the layout from GPL, you ought to be able to find your way around it :-) Having said that, nothing, absolutely nothing, can prepare you for the experience of running the Ring in a real car, I just hope that we will see this track in a proper Touring Car sim some day, GPL is all well and good and I love it's physics model, but it's not really my kind of racing, I need doors and a roof...:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:25:17 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >I believe the layout it still the same, but some of the jumps have been >smoothened out a bit I think, although in the Renn Taxi we still got >airborne, I've not driven this course enough, neither in GPL nor in real >life, to answer that Q properly, but others in here have stated as much, >so if you know the layout from GPL, you ought to be able to find your >way around it :-) Ooohhhhhh great, my friend just called me, he had to postpone our trip :((( We will go in two weeks now. Damn! By the way, I read somewhere that the sudkehre was closed? Andre

A large part of it still exists, AFAIhave been told. It's all public roads now. It lies outside of the current F1-track. From looking at the map, I'd say this piece of the track is quite alike to the Nordschleife in terms of how the turns are.

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> Sudschleife..is this what some people refer to as The South > Circuit? > It was a loop that joined the main circuit at the South Curve. > I believe you can see where it joins the main "North Circuit" in > GPL. > The combined North & South Circuits were used several times for > Grand prixs during the thirties, obviously because the Germans > didn't think 14 miles was long enough for one lap! > >Sudkehre..if this is what some people refer to as the > Sudschleife, then > >that one has been closed since before WWII I think, maybe some > of the > >"locals" can fill us in here...

Seaman or Caracciola? -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > Trivia:- > > The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were never actually > > designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat tarmac; > > the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain water!! > > > > It was only after some smart drivers started to use the "banking" and > > lowered their lap times that it became accepted practise by everyone racing > > there to follow suit. > > You are correct, at least according to Manfred von Brauchtisch (sp), > legendary Mercedes team leader back in the 30's, I believe it was one of > the pre war Mercedes drivers who used it first, in a last lap effort to > take the win, and if memory serves me right, he was successful too > > Damn, can't remember the name, but it was one of the big names in > Mercedes' racing history..... > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Not according to my reference material, Thorsten. They (the sloped sections) were designed as culverts, not as part of the intended road surface. That they were so used was simply due to drivers seeing that some advantage could be obtained in negotiating the curve. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Thorsten Rueter <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ea882$2pau$[email hidden]... > No, you're wrong. They were designed as > banked corners. In the dim past the banked > parts were even tarmac. > > Regards, > > -Thorsten Rueter > > > Brett C. Cammack <[email hidden]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag: > [email hidden]... > > On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:34:57 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Trivia:- > > >The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were never > actually > > >designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat > tarmac; > > >the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain > water!! > > > > All I know is that they're a bitch to hit just right. <g> > > > > Regards, > > Brett C. Cammack > > That's Racing! Motorsports > > Pompano Beach, FL > >

Someone in the 1930's, so I understand. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Trivia:- > >The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were never actually > >designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat tarmac; > >the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain water!! > > > >It was only after some smart drivers started to use the "banking" and > >lowered their lap times that it became accepted practise by everyone racing > >there to follow suit. > > > > Cool! Who was the first? <g> > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

There you go....I should've read the most recent post before answering your question because I would've seen that your brain had defrosted and that you'd remembered the name yourself. I MUST start reading these posts from the most recent! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Goy Larsen wrote: > > > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > > > Trivia:- > > > The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were never actually > > > designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat tarmac; > > > the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain water!! > > > > > > It was only after some smart drivers started to use the "banking" and > > > lowered their lap times that it became accepted practise by everyone racing > > > there to follow suit. > > > > You are correct, at least according to Manfred von Brauchtisch (sp), > > legendary Mercedes team leader back in the 30's, I believe it was one of > > the pre war Mercedes drivers who used it first, in a last lap effort to > > take the win, and if memory serves me right, he was successful too > > > > Damn, can't remember the name, but it was one of the big names in > > Mercedes' racing history..... > > Ugh, that's what I get from using my fading memory, the team leader was > of course Alfred Neubauer, and the driver was Rudolf > Caracciola.......sigh, I can remember that my memory was very good once, > but that's about all I can remember with certainty these days :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > http://www.teammirage.com > > "Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting > are the only true sports...all others are games." > --Ernest Hemingway--

Andre Warringa wrote: > > Ooohhhhhh great, my friend just called me, he had to postpone our trip > :((( We will go in two weeks now. Damn! Those that wait for something good...:-) > By the way, I read somewhere that the sudkehre was closed? Sudkehre..if this is what some people refer to as the Sudschleife, then that one has been closed since before WWII I think, maybe some of the "locals" can fill us in here... This place, http://www.born-free.net/, has lots of good info and links, from the description of your friend, he'd fit right in with these guys :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

I'm really glad he chose to make Oesterreich Ring instead of Zeltweg. Z was to boring a circuit. Stefan Alison Hine wrote:

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> > Zeltweg was Dave's original name for what became the Osterreichring. > > Suz? Oops. No comment. And please stop drooling over your computer, > willya? <grin> > > Alison > > On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:19:14 GMT, "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >When I started Alison's gplre yesterday I noticed there was also the zeltweg > >and suz folders. Does Zeltweg and Suzuka exist for gpl?? Where do they come > >from? I'm pretty sure no Papy sim has those tracks. > > > > Alison > > From: [email hidden] > Reply-To: [email hidden] > Remove the spam blocker NOSPAM to email me. > http://eaglewoman.maximumspeed.com

Sudschleife..is this what some people refer to as The South Circuit? It was a loop that joined the main circuit at the South Curve. I believe you can see where it joins the main "North Circuit" in GPL. The combined North & South Circuits were used several times for Grand prixs during the thirties, obviously because the Germans didn't think 14 miles was long enough for one lap! Chris In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >Sudkehre..if this is what some people refer to as theSudschleife, then >that one has been closed since before WWII I think, maybe someof the >"locals" can fill us in here... > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

Three required reference magazines for lovers of historics:- - MotorSport - Thoroughbred & Classic Cars - Classic & Sportscar Add the often-excellent American "Vintage Motorsport" (wonderful series on the Can Am and Trans Am) and the oldie is well cared for! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > There you go....I should've read the most recent post before answering your > > question because I would've seen that your brain had defrosted and that > > you'd remembered the name yourself. > > Actually, it was "Thoroughbred and Classic Cars" that helped me :-), > knew those old mags would come in handy some time > > > I MUST start reading these posts from the most recent! > > Naa, where would the fun be then > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com