Just how popular is Forza 2?

I was at a Best Buy today, looking for GTR Evolution (they didn't have it), and the sales guy mentioned he mostly plays Forza 2, an XBOX 360 game, with apparently a very large number of online players, much more than Live For Speed. I don't own a console, but I dediced to check out their forum and there are 120,000+ members which seems like a lot. I'm not planning to buy a console (don't own any of them), but I was curious about this, since PC based racing game sales seem to be growing smaller over the last few years.

"jeffareid" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5Asxk.2074$[email hidden]...

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>I was at a Best Buy today, looking for GTR Evolution (they didn't have it), > and the sales guy mentioned he mostly plays Forza 2, an XBOX 360 game, > with apparently a very large number of online players, much more than > Live For Speed. I don't own a console, but I dediced to check out their > forum and there are 120,000+ members which seems like a lot. > > I'm not planning to buy a console (don't own any of them), but I was > curious about this, since PC based racing game sales seem to be growing > smaller over the last few years. >

It's very popular. The possibility to customize the look of your car is one the main reasons why a lot of people play that game. There are some very talented painters despite the limitations of the interface. The game itself is actually pretty decent for a Gran Turismo clone.

It seems to be more about car collecting and painting than actual racing. It has only 8 cars on track, no racing flags, no full pit stops. It has a good physics model but the racing side of it is weak feature wise. It gets borring fast. "Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7xuxk.7347$[email hidden]...

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> > "jeffareid" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5Asxk.2074$[email hidden]... >>I was at a Best Buy today, looking for GTR Evolution (they didn't have >>it), >> and the sales guy mentioned he mostly plays Forza 2, an XBOX 360 game, >> with apparently a very large number of online players, much more than >> Live For Speed. I don't own a console, but I dediced to check out their >> forum and there are 120,000+ members which seems like a lot. >> >> I'm not planning to buy a console (don't own any of them), but I was >> curious about this, since PC based racing game sales seem to be growing >> smaller over the last few years. >> > > It's very popular. The possibility to customize the look of your car is > one the main reasons why a lot of people play that game. There are some > very talented painters despite the limitations of the interface. The game > itself is actually pretty decent for a Gran Turismo clone. >

I have Forza 2, and I can't stand it. The racing on the XB360 really stinks IMHO. So I think your assessment is pretty accurate. -Larry "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Y4vxk.1795$yS5.286@edtnps83... > It seems to be more about car collecting and painting than actual racing. > It has only 8 cars on track, no racing flags, no full pit stops. It has a > good physics model but the racing side of it is weak feature wise. It > gets borring fast.

I have it as well, never play it, boring. GRID is much better, although more arcade style but much more fun. NASCAR09 is also decent, best NASCAR title from EA in a long time, take that for what it is worth. SimBin has RacePro coming soon for 360 as well so it may be worth a look. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RQwxk.46054$[email hidden]...

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>I have Forza 2, and I can't stand it. The racing on the XB360 really >stinks IMHO. > > So I think your assessment is pretty accurate. > > -Larry > > "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Y4vxk.1795$yS5.286@edtnps83... >> It seems to be more about car collecting and painting than actual racing. >> It has only 8 cars on track, no racing flags, no full pit stops. It has >> a good physics model but the racing side of it is weak feature wise. It >> gets borring fast. >

On Sep 9, 12:15 pm, "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> I have it as well, never play it, boring.  GRID is much better, although > more arcade style but much more fun.  NASCAR09 is also decent, best NASCAR > title from EA in a long time, take that for what it is worth.  SimBin has > RacePro coming soon for 360 as well so it may be worth a look. > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:RQwxk.46054$[email hidden]... > > > > >I have Forza 2, and I can't stand it.  The racing on the XB360 really > >stinks IMHO. > > > So I think your assessment is pretty accurate. >

There is no in-car cockpit view, I believe. Enough said.

That is correct, there is none, although I prefer hood/roof view but those views don't even have a mirror either. "Bob Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... On Sep 9, 12:15 pm, "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> I have it as well, never play it, boring. GRID is much better, although > more arcade style but much more fun. NASCAR09 is also decent, best NASCAR > title from EA in a long time, take that for what it is worth. SimBin has > RacePro coming soon for 360 as well so it may be worth a look. > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:RQwxk.46054$[email hidden]... > > > > >I have Forza 2, and I can't stand it. The racing on the XB360 really > >stinks IMHO. > > > So I think your assessment is pretty accurate. >

There is no in-car cockpit view, I believe. Enough said.

Exactly... "Bob Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... There is no in-car cockpit view, I believe. Enough said.

Exactly... There is no in-car***pit view, I believe. Enough said.

schooner wrote: > That is correct, there is none, although I prefer hood/roof view but > those views don't even have a mirror either. Well, if you HAVE to sit on the hood/roof, at least accept that there are no mirrors attached to the hood/roof! Finally a developer added a pinch of realism to those views... ;) SCNR

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> > "Bob Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > On Sep 9, 12:15 pm, "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> I have it as well, never play it, boring. GRID is much better, although >> more arcade style but much more fun. NASCAR09 is also decent, best NASCAR >> title from EA in a long time, take that for what it is worth. SimBin has >> RacePro coming soon for 360 as well so it may be worth a look. >> >> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >> news:RQwxk.46054$[email hidden]... >> >> >> >> >I have Forza 2, and I can't stand it. The racing on the XB360 really >> >stinks IMHO. >> >> > So I think your assessment is pretty accurate. >> > > There is no in-car cockpit view, I believe. Enough said.

Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> schooner wrote: >> That is correct, there is none, although I prefer hood/roof view but >> those views don't even have a mirror either. > > Well, if you HAVE to sit on the hood/roof, at least accept that there > are no mirrors attached to the hood/roof!

If you are talking about training a real racecar driver, then that part of simulation realism probably would be necessary. But what if your sitting inside the car looking at a monitor? Some HUDs reflect off of a car windshield. Extending some boundaries can enhance the experience. > Finally a developer added a pinch of realism to those views... ;) So you prefer a developer that forces your idea of realism on others and goes out of business, instead of a developer that provides easy to include options you can simply choose not to use.

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> Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> schooner wrote: > >>> That is correct, there is none, although I prefer hood/roof view but >>> those views don't even have a mirror either. >> Well, if you HAVE to sit on the hood/roof, at least accept that there >> are no mirrors attached to the hood/roof! > > If you are talking about training a real racecar driver, then that part > of simulation realism probably would be necessary. But what if your > sitting inside the car looking at a monitor? Some HUDs reflect off of a > car windshield. Extending some boundaries can enhance the experience. > >> Finally a developer added a pinch of realism to those views... ;) > > So you prefer a developer that forces your idea of realism on others > and goes out of business, instead of a developer that provides easy to > include options you can simply choose not to use.

Ehm no, developers may add optional fluffy pillows around the car to soften crashes, if he wants to (and if I can turn them off). BUT, it's silly to be angry at a developer, who doesn't do crap like that. If you can't take HIS idea of realism, buy another sim (better yet, an Xbox).

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:RQwxk.46054$[email hidden]: > I have Forza 2, and I can't stand it. The racing on the XB360 really > stinks IMHO. > > So I think your assessment is pretty accurate. > > -Larry You complain about ISI sims and yet you have an Xbox 360 and Forza2? Fucking pussy arcade racing weeny.