Re: All of you assholes playing warez F1 2000

aws6000 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8bd9ur$r15$[email hidden]...

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> In article <8bd7am$ltn$[email hidden]>, > "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: > > You people can go fuck yourselves. Yeah, I'm sure everyone will > > pile out an get the game when it is released. "Oh wait, voodoo5/6 > > isn't out yet, I'm not going to buy the game. I'll just play this > warez > > version instead." Right. > > I bet everyone feels guilty now that Greg "go fuck yourselves" Cisko > has passed judgement.

Right. > 90% of the posts about the warez version have been from people using > the pirated copy as a demo. Some of those have said they will purchase > the game on release, the others have said that they will remove it from > their systems. Personally I don't believe in warez, but I did download > this game. No, I won't be purchasing it until the Voodoo 5 comes out Well I believe this is the new defination of hypocricy. You don;t believe in it but you did it anyway... Cool. > for two reasons. My system can't handle this game under race > conditions and I find the graphics distracting with anti-aliasing. Interesting that you think Voodoo5 will be the answer. I think you will need a faster CPU. > So in the spirit of sharing, go fuck yourself too Mr. Cisko. Noted. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Don't waste your time on Greg, hopeless. Really!?! I'll try to keep that in mind pal. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > Andre > > On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:33:00 GMT, aws6000 <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >In article <8bd7am$ltn$[email hidden]>, > >"Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: > >> You people can go fuck yourselves. Yeah, I'm sure everyone will > >> pile out an get the game when it is released. "Oh wait, voodoo5/6 > >> isn't out yet, I'm not going to buy the game. I'll just play this > >warez > >> version instead." Right. > > > >I bet everyone feels guilty now that Greg "go fuck yourselves" Cisko > >has passed judgement. > > > >90% of the posts about the warez version have been from people using > >the pirated copy as a demo. Some of those have said they will purchase > >the game on release, the others have said that they will remove it from > >their systems. Personally I don't believe in warez, but I did download > >this game. No, I won't be purchasing it until the Voodoo 5 comes out > >for two reasons. My system can't handle this game under race > >conditions and I find the graphics distracting with anti-aliasing. > > > >So in the spirit of sharing, go fuck yourself too Mr. Cisko. > > > >-AndrewS > > > >ps. I think I heard the bell ring, recess is over. > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Before you buy. >

Borut Srebotnik <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mFrC4.1524$[email hidden]... Great... What is with the editorial? > Warez version of F1 2000 is for me a very good demo. It's like EA PR > department can say anything if you want to belive them. Others can try it > out and see it with their own eyes. You can't have a realistic race atMonza > with words EA is feeding us with so i can understand people TRYING out the > warez. If this was the EA Sports game i would buy it for sure as they are > the best out there as for the simulations from EA i hope one day they are > the best too, so Geoff and Papy would work even harder. I can understand people trying it out too. But this game has been way over warez'd IMHO. I really don't have an issue with it until I hear some asshole claim that they won't buy it; but "oh hell yeah" they will still continue to play their warez version and evaluate it. Screw those people. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Great post, I hope some people will learn something from this. > Hi Greg Cisko! I am learning quite a bit. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > Andre > > On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:31:57 +0100, "Borut Srebotnik" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >It's always nice to hear a good use of English language. As i'm not native > >english speaker i can learn a lot from reading some well structured and > >argumented posts here on r.a.s. Yours will have a portion of my disk space > >forever. I'm going to save it and open it every time i feel too embarased to > >post here. It will show me that i shouldn't be too shy to post here just > >because i feel that my posts aren't carrying the desired idea because of the > >limitations in my knowledge of English language. > > >

Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bgtC4.18736$[email hidden]... > Mind who you call an asshole Mr. Cisko. I don't take insults very kindly. Oh boo-hoo. Do you feel personally offended? Big freaking hairy deal. > I have never hid the fact I downloaded it, neither have I used any device > other than anti-spam in posting about it to hide my identity. If EA wantto > make an issue out of this, they know where to find me. Very *VERY* macho. Wow. > I did the right thing, however. I presented myself at my local software > store today. They hadn't received a copy of F1 2000 yet, so I had one > reserved for me. Good for you. My comments are for the aholes that were *not* doing that. Duh. I realize that english may not be your first language, but really. > In the mean time both the zips and the expanded version have been securely > (i.e. irrevocably) erased from my system, the registry hack has beenremoved > as well. Big pat on the back for you. > I can not speak for everybody who downloaded the "ripped" version, but I > don't want to be called an asshole on their behalf either. Ok already... I think you can calm down now. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

AndrewS <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:w_AC4.5135$[email hidden]...

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> > I can understand people trying it out too. But this game has been > > way over warez'd IMHO. I really don't have an issue with it until I hear > > some asshole claim that they won't buy it; but "oh hell yeah" they > > will still continue to play their warez version and evaluate it. Screw > > those people. > > Everyone can relax now. He's only upset because it's been over warez'd.

Well what I thought was funny, was that no one should give a shit what I think :-) It was fun seeing all of those warez people that were offended. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

On the following date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:46:27 -0600, said person(s) "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> stated: >You people can go fuck yourselves. Yeah, I'm sure everyone will >pile out an get the game when it is released. "Oh wait, voodoo5/6 >isn't out yet, I'm not going to buy the game. I'll just play this warez >version instead." Right. Hey Greg, get your panties out of your ass and worry about things you CAN change. Why is this bothering you so bad? Prostitution has been around since the beginning of man and aint no one found a way to stop that either. - James "Gunslinger" Wohlever [email hidden] Techware Computer Services http://techware.gtinsider.com Send ATTACHMENTS (Files) to: [email hidden]

aws6000 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8bd9ur$r15$[email hidden]... > > 90% of the posts about the warez version have been from people using > the pirated copy as a demo. Some of those have said they will purchase > the game on release, the others have said that they will remove it from > their systems. Personally I don't believe in warez, but I did download > this game. No, I won't be purchasing it until the Voodoo 5 comes out But your response is typical of the rationalizations we read here. *Anyone* who doesn't buy the game after using the downloaded game has cheated EA. They had full use of the full product (it doesn't matter if it is 1 minute or 1 week) without paying anything. Doesn't matter if you liked it or didn't like it. I merely point this out. I refrain from attaching personal insults, because I copied games back in the days of C64s. That's a long while ago, and a lot of intervening years have given me a little more perspective. Having published some of my work, I can begin to understand the hardline approach people take to copyright issues. Considering that EA almost always releases a demo, why the rush? Stephen

You people can go fuck yourselves. Yeah, I'm sure everyone will pile out an get the game when it is released. "Oh wait, voodoo5/6 isn't out yet, I'm not going to buy the game. I'll just play this warez version instead." Right. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

In article <8bd7am$ltn$[email hidden]>, "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: > You people can go fuck yourselves. Yeah, I'm sure everyone will > pile out an get the game when it is released. "Oh wait, voodoo5/6 > isn't out yet, I'm not going to buy the game. I'll just play thiswarez > version instead." Right. I bet everyone feels guilty now that Greg "go fuck yourselves" Cisko has passed judgement. 90% of the posts about the warez version have been from people using the pirated copy as a demo. Some of those have said they will purchase the game on release, the others have said that they will remove it from their systems. Personally I don't believe in warez, but I did download this game. No, I won't be purchasing it until the Voodoo 5 comes out for two reasons. My system can't handle this game under race conditions and I find the graphics distracting with anti-aliasing. So in the spirit of sharing, go fuck yourself too Mr. Cisko. -AndrewS ps. I think I heard the bell ring, recess is over. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Excellent point!!

Don't waste your time on Greg, hopeless. Andre On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:33:00 GMT, aws6000 <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>In article <8bd7am$ltn$[email hidden]>, >"Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: >> You people can go fuck yourselves. Yeah, I'm sure everyone will >> pile out an get the game when it is released. "Oh wait, voodoo5/6 >> isn't out yet, I'm not going to buy the game. I'll just play this >warez >> version instead." Right. > >I bet everyone feels guilty now that Greg "go fuck yourselves" Cisko >has passed judgement. > >90% of the posts about the warez version have been from people using >the pirated copy as a demo. Some of those have said they will purchase >the game on release, the others have said that they will remove it from >their systems. Personally I don't believe in warez, but I did download >this game. No, I won't be purchasing it until the Voodoo 5 comes out >for two reasons. My system can't handle this game under race >conditions and I find the graphics distracting with anti-aliasing. > >So in the spirit of sharing, go fuck yourself too Mr. Cisko. > >-AndrewS > >ps. I think I heard the bell ring, recess is over. > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy.

Great post, I hope some people will learn something from this. Hi Greg Cisko! Andre On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:31:57 +0100, "Borut Srebotnik" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>It's always nice to hear a good use of English language. As i'm not native >english speaker i can learn a lot from reading some well structured and >argumented posts here on r.a.s. Yours will have a portion of my disk space >forever. I'm going to save it and open it every time i feel too embarased to >post here. It will show me that i shouldn't be too shy to post here just >because i feel that my posts aren't carrying the desired idea because of the >limitations in my knowledge of English language. >

It's always nice to hear a good use of English language. As i'm not native english speaker i can learn a lot from reading some well structured and argumented posts here on r.a.s. Yours will have a portion of my disk space forever. I'm going to save it and open it every time i feel too embarased to post here. It will show me that i shouldn't be too shy to post here just because i feel that my posts aren't carrying the desired idea because of the limitations in my knowledge of English language. On to some warez issues. In it's time I downloaded the leaked GPL pre-production version and still bought the retail GPL. In fact i bought the second copy of GPL as a backup disk, but that was more of a saying thank you Papy for the best sim ever! Here in Slovenia you can't buy a game and return it with full refound just because you didn't liked it. Furthermore, i'm the type of person that can't wait couple of weeks to read all the reviews on certain sim and then buy it or not. I must have it first! I bought GP2, Indycar2, Nascar2, F1 Racing Simulation ( i burned myself on this one ), GPL the very first moment they were available. So, now you must think that i have F1 2000. No, i don't! Couldn't find the link and still it would be too big a download for my analog line. Those are two main reasons i don't have it and only then there is that moral issue. I hear so much about the "fact" that if we pirate software the software companies will have less money to develope good titles and similar nonsense. Have you ever thought about how much money software companies "stole" from you? State of the art graphics, ultra realistic, most advanced, blah, blah... for a sim that you deleted after two weeks. To make this story even longer, the software market isn't functioning well. We have bad, good, superb sims going for virtually the same price. How can one know which sim is good if the price doesn't hold that information in it. Unless you follow the making of the sim through r.a.s. or some other chanel of information you have an odd chance of getting what you paid for. Warez version of F1 2000 is for me a very good demo. It's like EA PR department can say anything if you want to belive them. Others can try it out and see it with their own eyes. You can't have a realistic race at Monza with words EA is feeding us with so i can understand people TRYING out the warez. If this was the EA Sports game i would buy it for sure as they are the best out there as for the simulations from EA i hope one day they are the best too, so Geoff and Papy would work even harder. Borut

"Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>aws6000 <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:8bd9ur$r15$[email hidden]... >> 90% of the posts about the warez version have been from people using >> the pirated copy as a demo. Some of those have said they will purchase >> the game on release, the others have said that they will remove it from >> their systems. Personally I don't believe in warez, but I did download >> this game. No, I won't be purchasing it until the Voodoo 5 comes out > >But your response is typical of the rationalizations we read here. *Anyone* >who doesn't buy the game after using the downloaded game has cheated EA. >They had full use of the full product (it doesn't matter if it is 1 minute >or 1 week) without paying anything. Doesn't matter if you liked it or >didn't like it. I merely point this out. I refrain from attaching personal >insults, because I copied games back in the days of C64s. That's a long >while ago, and a lot of intervening years have given me a little more >perspective. Having published some of my work, I can begin to understand >the hardline approach people take to copyright issues. >Considering that EA almost always releases a demo, why the rush?

I too played the Beta warez version of F1 2000 (I didn't download it, but it's still the same). I believe, if you really use it as demo only, and remove it once you've made your mind up, you're doing ok. Keep in mind that where I live, you can't return software if you don't like it... Yes, EA will problably release a demo. After running it myself(not the demo!), I know that running with a full field will be hard on most systems. Will this problem be there in the demo? Also, there are a lot of racinggame demos, where some features, like the physics, are dumbed down. They promise the whole deal in the release version, but when you buy the release version, it often is dissapointing. RC2000 anyone? The GPL demo wasn't very honest aswell, the AI is very demanding on the CPU... Beside that, since software makers force me to put the CD in the drive, I can understand warez people a little more.After all, those warez people even have a better copy then I have! And I paid for it! I will keep buying the games I play, and I will not download warez, but if I've the chance to test a warez version, I will.... Remco

Go to www.gamecopyworld.com they have patches for about every game so you do not have to have your CD in the drive. I personally hate to have to keep my CDs in the drive, the main reason is that I always have about 10-15 games install on my machine at one time since we do alot of lan gaming. I do not like having to find each cd when I want to play. These patches are not illegal unlike the warez versions of games (which I do not believe in at all, but you have probably read my posts on this and already know that). Remco Moedt <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >aws6000 <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:8bd9ur$r15$[email hidden]... > Beside that, since software makers force me to put the CD in the > drive, I can understand warez people a little more.After all, those > warez people even have a better copy then I have! And I paid for it! > I will keep buying the games I play, and I will not download warez, > but if I've the chance to test a warez version, I will.... > > Remco >

Excellent point!! > To make this story even longer, the software market isn't functioningwell. > We have bad, good, superb sims going for virtually the same price. How can > one know which sim is good if the price doesn't hold that information init. > Unless you follow the making of the sim through r.a.s. or some otherchanel > of information you have an odd chance of getting what you paid for. > > > Borut > >

Mind who you call an asshole Mr. Cisko. I don't take insults very kindly. I have never hid the fact I downloaded it, neither have I used any device other than anti-spam in posting about it to hide my identity. If EA want to make an issue out of this, they know where to find me. I did the right thing, however. I presented myself at my local software store today. They hadn't received a copy of F1 2000 yet, so I had one reserved for me. In the mean time both the zips and the expanded version have been securely (i.e. irrevocably) erased from my system, the registry hack has been removed as well. I can not speak for everybody who downloaded the "ripped" version, but I don't want to be called an asshole on their behalf either. Jan. =--- Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message news:8bd7am$ltn$[email hidden]... > You people can go fuck yourselves. Yeah, I'm sure everyone will > pile out an get the game when it is released. <snip>

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>But your response is typical of the rationalizations we read here. *Anyone* >who doesn't buy the game after using the downloaded game has cheated EA. >They had full use of the full product (it doesn't matter if it is 1 minute >or 1 week) without paying anything. Doesn't matter if you liked it or >didn't like it. I merely point this out. I refrain from attaching personal >insults, because I copied games back in the days of C64s. That's a long >while ago, and a lot of intervening years have given me a little more >perspective. Having published some of my work, I can begin to understand >the hardline approach people take to copyright issues. > >Considering that EA almost always releases a demo, why the rush? > >Stephen

Considering that some demos plain SUCK compared to the actual game, why not? I didn't buy Toca2 based on the demo. I thought it *did* suck. Others have told me that the demo wasn't a good representation of the full game, and the retail version was actually good. So, the demo doesn't always help, does it? What's the difference than if I was to borrow the full retail verision from a friend to make sure that a) it would run on my system, and b) that it would hold my interest? If I buy it without trying it, and hate it(or my system's too slow), I'm out the purchase price. Stores near me won't do refunds, just exchanges. Not flaming, just giving differing opinions. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Borut, another good source is on VROC Monza race after the first corner. You can learn alot. Jens On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:31:57 +0100, "Borut Srebotnik" <[email hidden]> wrote: >It's always nice to hear a good use of English language. As i'm not native >english speaker i can learn a lot from reading some well structured and --------------------------------------------- [email hidden] Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address JensSchumi homepage at http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/ Racing simulation, esp. GPL Logitech Wingman FF optimization Classic cars, esp. Morris Minor Radio controlled airplanes

A sphincter says what? Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message news:8bd7am$ltn$[email hidden]...

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> You people can go fuck yourselves. Yeah, I'm sure everyone will > pile out an get the game when it is released. "Oh wait, voodoo5/6 > isn't out yet, I'm not going to buy the game. I'll just play this warez > version instead." Right. > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > >

Hehe here it goes Wayne and Garth WHAT!!!!! "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9ryC4.18439$[email hidden]...

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> A sphincter says what? > > Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message > news:8bd7am$ltn$[email hidden]... > > You people can go fuck yourselves. Yeah, I'm sure everyone will > > pile out an get the game when it is released. "Oh wait, voodoo5/6 > > isn't out yet, I'm not going to buy the game. I'll just play this warez > > version instead." Right. > > > > -- > > > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > > > > > >

> I can understand people trying it out too. But this game has been > way over warez'd IMHO. I really don't have an issue with it until I hear > some asshole claim that they won't buy it; but "oh hell yeah" they > will still continue to play their warez version and evaluate it. Screw > those people. Everyone can relax now. He's only upset because it's been over warez'd.

Nature shat Greg Cisko upon this world to teach us all about the depths of human ignorance. --DK "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message news:8belah$r6e$[email hidden]... > Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bgtC4.18736$[email hidden]... > > Mind who you call an asshole Mr. Cisko. I don't take insults verykindly. > > Oh boo-hoo. Do you feel personally offended? Big freaking hairy > deal. > > > I have never hid the fact I downloaded it, neither have I used anydevice

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> > other than anti-spam in posting about it to hide my identity. If EA want > to > > make an issue out of this, they know where to find me. > > Very *VERY* macho. Wow. > > > I did the right thing, however. I presented myself at my local software > > store today. They hadn't received a copy of F1 2000 yet, so I had one > > reserved for me. > > Good for you. My comments are for the aholes that were *not* doing > that. Duh. I realize that english may not be your first language, but > really. > > > In the mean time both the zips and the expanded version have been

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> > (i.e. irrevocably) erased from my system, the registry hack has been > removed > > as well. > > Big pat on the back for you. > > > I can not speak for everybody who downloaded the "ripped" version, but I > > don't want to be called an asshole on their behalf either. > > Ok already... I think you can calm down now. > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > >

EXCELLENT!! Stiff one <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IAyC4.350$[email hidden]...

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> Hehe here it goes Wayne and Garth WHAT!!!!! > > "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9ryC4.18439$[email hidden]... > > A sphincter says what? > > > > Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message > > news:8bd7am$ltn$[email hidden]... > > > You people can go fuck yourselves. Yeah, I'm sure everyone will > > > pile out an get the game when it is released. "Oh wait, voodoo5/6 > > > isn't out yet, I'm not going to buy the game. I'll just play this

warez > > > version instead." Right. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamminghordes.

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Borut Srebotnik wrote:

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> > It's always nice to hear a good use of English language. As i'm not native > english speaker i can learn a lot from reading some well structured and > argumented posts here on r.a.s. Yours will have a portion of my disk space > forever. I'm going to save it and open it every time i feel too embarased to > post here. It will show me that i shouldn't be too shy to post here just > because i feel that my posts aren't carrying the desired idea because of the > limitations in my knowledge of English language. >

BRAVO, Borut! You put a big grin on my face this morning! It seems that those of us who are not native speakers tend to articulate things in as good a way as possible, while some of those on the 'other side' tend to forget about such details. The same would probably go for any other language apart from English. Have you checked any of our Slovenian message boards? I did, once. Yours was a well thought out post, but, unfortunately, I have to disagree with your views. Piracy was something that was half legal in the eighties in Slovenia and the rest of Yugoslavia, which is something I am sure you remember well. Perhaps that is why I am more sensitive about these issues now, especially since in my short life I have already had a chance to produce something of intellectual value. Fortunately, in science once you publish it's yours and noone can steal it from you, in fact, if somene uses your idea and builds further on it it is just towards your benefit. Unless they claim it was their original idea in the first place, but this can fortunately be verified. Back to software, then. The fact that a product is not out in Slovenia yet is irrelevant. In fact, practically all releases that are out in the UK are out in Slovenia usually only a week later. Sometimes the whole of Europe has to wait, though, when it is an American release (the same goes the other way around, too). But then you always have the option to order overseas. Expensive shipping costs? Yes, perhaps, but this is more than compensated by the low price of the products ordered this way. The last software product I ordered form the States was Jane's F/A-18 which arrived here about 10 days after the North American release, and was actually cheaper (including post&packaging) than the one that appeared on the shelves a few weeks later here. Not to mention that I hear the European release has a lower quality material manual (i.e. no spiral binding), but this is a completely different issue. Trying out the product before you buy it? A point in case, perhaps, but I can imagine that you may be given to try a partial version (a demo), but using a full version without paying for it and without the consent of the publisher is stealing intellectual property in my opinion, especially at the point you are not testing the features anymore but getting any benefits out of it (which, in games, is the entertainment value). A car dealer may give you a test drive, but he will not give you a car for a couple of weeks to test it and then return it if you are not pleased with it, at least not the car dealers I know of. The demo may not be out before release, though, if ever. Still, noone is forcing you to buy the product the moment it hits the shelves. If you do so, however, this is the risk you are willing to take, and it is like that with all new products, not only software. But in my opinion one can make a valid picture of what to expect from a product from the people who did do so and report their findings in various forums/NGs or from the reviewers that he or she trusts, and sometimes just from the reputation of the developers and the knowledge of the development cycle (GP3 will be a case like this for me). I have been following this principle for a couple of years now and have been satisfied with all the sims I got my hands on in this time, and got much more than I paid for from all of them, if this can be measured. -Gregor

Wrong deleted it after a few days. pile of shit.

A sphincter says what?

LOL! :) Andre On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:58:55 GMT, [email hidden] (JS) wrote:

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>Borut, >another good source is on VROC Monza race after the first corner. You can learn >alot. > >Jens > > > >On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:31:57 +0100, "Borut Srebotnik" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>It's always nice to hear a good use of English language. As i'm not native >>english speaker i can learn a lot from reading some well structured and > >--------------------------------------------- >[email hidden] >Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address > >JensSchumi homepage at http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/ >Racing simulation, esp. GPL >Logitech Wingman FF optimization >Classic cars, esp. Morris Minor >Radio controlled airplanes

I just don't like being included in sweeping generalisations, that's all. I've been on the net too long to really get offended, but suppose the situation arose where you needed some help (and I'd be able to assist) you now know where not to come knocking. BTW: my understading of English is fine... the tone of my message was deliberate. I think your reply speaks volumes about your personality. Jan. =--- Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message news:8belah$r6e$[email hidden]... <snip> > Oh boo-hoo. Do you feel personally offended? Big freaking hairy > deal. ><snip>

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> Trying out the product before you buy it? A point in case, perhaps, but > I can imagine that you may be given to try a partial version (a demo), > but using a full version without paying for it and without the consent > of the publisher is stealing intellectual property in my opinion, > especially at the point you are not testing the features anymore but > getting any benefits out of it (which, in games, is the entertainment > value). A car dealer may give you a test drive, but he will not give you > a car for a couple of weeks to test it and then return it if you are not > pleased with it, at least not the car dealers I know of.

But you will get a test drive in the car you want, not a crippled down version with only two gears. And you already know what it is supposed to do. You don't have to worry about if the car runs slower with more than 30 other cars on the road (or the baggage retrieval system they've got at Heathrow.) And if you have a lot of problems with the car, you can go back to the dealer and have him fix it. And of course: while you try the car, noone else can try it at the same time and the dealer has money invested in that copy of the car. Neither applies to software. -- [asbjxrn] [lLd25z*%ds1-100/sLlSdI%ds2-O/sSl1l2*PlL0<l]sl 21172310731916131628237117 3237142523312SSSLllxq

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> > Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Trying out the product before you buy it? A point in case, perhaps, but > > I can imagine that you may be given to try a partial version (a demo), > > but using a full version without paying for it and without the consent > > of the publisher is stealing intellectual property in my opinion, > > especially at the point you are not testing the features anymore but > > getting any benefits out of it (which, in games, is the entertainment > > value). A car dealer may give you a test drive, but he will not give you > > a car for a couple of weeks to test it and then return it if you are not > > pleased with it, at least not the car dealers I know of. > > But you will get a test drive in the car you want, not a crippled down > version with only two gears. And you already know what it is supposed > to do. You don't have to worry about if the car runs slower with more > than 30 other cars on the road (or the baggage retrieval system > they've got at Heathrow.) And if you have a lot of problems with the > car, you can go back to the dealer and have him fix it. And of course: > while you try the car, noone else can try it at the same time and the > dealer has money invested in that copy of the car. Neither applies to > software. > -- > [asbjxrn] [lLd25z*%ds1-100/sLlSdI%ds2-O/sSl1l2*PlL0<l]sl > 21172310731916131628237117 3237142523312SSSLllxq

An analogy is just that, an analogy, not the exact same thing and should as such not be treated that way.

Wrong deleted it after a few days. pile of shit. Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message news:8bd7am$ltn$[email hidden]...

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> You people can go fuck yourselves. Yeah, I'm sure everyone will > pile out an get the game when it is released. "Oh wait, voodoo5/6 > isn't out yet, I'm not going to buy the game. I'll just play this warez > version instead." Right. > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > >

Stephen, Although I appreciate your post, I think many people view it that they are tired of getting screwed by flawed software and most places will not refund their money. Thus, they use warez to test it out. (Don't get me wrong... many don't buy the software even if they love it!) Also, many times the demo is poor (take Mobil 1 Rally for example) yet the final release is pretty solid. Im not advocating warez, its against the law.. plain and simple. At the same time, I understand the reasoning behind it. After testing it on a friends PC, I can honestly say I would be one P@SSED off individual If I had paid for it and couldn't get my money back. Such as NASCAR Revolting, NASCAR Road Racing, NASCAR Revolting SE, and NASCAR 2000 (Still Revolting). I also understand the hardship of software companies and retail houses offering money back guarantees without a real solid way of preventing copying and then returning. The whole situation is kind of a catch 22. Just my opinion. Scott PA-Scott PowerSims.com -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450

> Others have told me that the demo wasn't a good representation of > the full game, and the retail version was actually good. I thought the Toca demo showed potential...didn't like the driving model but quite liked the feeling of racing in a pack. I bought the full thing, played it for 2 days and sold it to a friend. The demo was, IMO, very representative of the full release. The bottom line is *why* would a developer agree to put out a demo which didn't accurately reflect the full product? Tweaks etc will occur but it's got to be fairly close to finished. Andrew McP

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>> Others have told me that the demo wasn't a good representation of >> the full game, and the retail version was actually good. > >I thought the Toca demo showed potential...didn't like the driving model >but quite liked the feeling of racing in a pack. I bought the full thing, >played it for 2 days and sold it to a friend. The demo was, IMO, very >representative of the full release. > >The bottom line is *why* would a developer agree to put out a demo which >didn't accurately reflect the full product? Tweaks etc will occur but it's >got to be fairly close to finished. > >Andrew McP

The differences I was referring to had to deal with adjusting the controls. In the demo, I simply could NOT control the car. Once I turned the wheel beyond a certain point, the car would go into a spin. There wasn't any adjust in the demo for control sensitivity, and it affected my opinion of the driving. Because of that MAIN issue, I didn't want to buy the game. I was told by someone here that there WAS an adjustment in the full game, and it was actually worth buying. I got the game for about $15, and it's an ok game. I still need to tweak the controller sensitivity a bit, but it's MUCH different from the demo. My long-winded point<g> was that based soley on the demo, I simply would not have bought the game. So, how many other people got the same original impression of the game from the demo, and didn't have the benefit of r.a.s. for advice? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.