Re: N3- Adjusting FF feel.

Add the following lines to the N3.ini file in the Nascar3 directory: FORCE_SCALE_PERCENT 100 FORCE_DAMPING_PERCENT 100 Just fiddle with the numbers. I don't fully understand what they do. Increasing either number makes the effects more powerful. I'm not even sure if 100 is the default, actually. You should be able to feel when you go onto the apron and when the tires lose grip once you get it right. Enjoy. -A n1ascar wrote in message <898tm6$1kcr$[email hidden]>... >I though I read a post awhile back were someone talked about how to adjust >the feel of FF in N3 to make it feel more realistic. Could someone point me >in the right direction. I'm using a Logitech WM FF if that make adifference >Thanks for any help >Kris > >

I though I read a post awhile back were someone talked about how to adjust the feel of FF in N3 to make it feel more realistic. Could someone point me in the right direction. I'm using a Logitech WM FF if that make a difference Thanks for any help Kris

Hi Marc, I've got the Force RS hooked up right now, but I think I was using the same (or very close) settings for each wheel. N3.ini FORCE_SCALE_PERCENT 200 FORCE_DAMPING_PERCENT 200 Windows: Overall Device Gain: 100% Spring Gain: 55% Damper Gain: 55% The wheel doesn't oscillate when the car is still, and does only a little when moving (that's the way I like it). When I want to make a change, like if the wheel was oscillating, I change the Windows settings for Gain and Damper evenly, and leave the N3.ini settings alsways at 200. I can get rid of wheel oscillation by just turning up the Gain, but I feel I don't get as good subtle force effects that way, so I'd suggest increasing both to get rid of it. Still, I'm open for suggestions ;) Slot "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gIdu4.7795$[email hidden]... > Hey Slot, > > What settings do you use for N3? If I leave the default (no N3.INIchanges) > FFB settings on, I get unrealistic oscillations in the wheel. That is, at > 100%/0/0/0 and no changes to N3.INI, the Ferrari will "over-respond" to > steering input by oscillating. In fact, there are times when you canbring

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> the car to a complete stop and the wheel will continue to oscillate!!! > > Secondly, if you have the wheel set-up for GPL and N3, don't you find that > you have > no wheel centring in other games? > > Thanks, > > Marc. > > > > "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:JJcu4.245$[email hidden]... > > Add these lines to N3.ini > > > > FORCE_SCALE_PERCENT 100 > > FORCE_DAMPING_PERCENT 100 > > > > Possible range is 0 - 200. Without the lines, the values default to > 100. > > > > Slot > > > > "n1ascar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:898tm6$1kcr$[email hidden]... > > > I though I read a post awhile back were someone talked about how to > adjust > > > the feel of FF in N3 to make it feel more realistic. Could someone

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> > me > > > in the right direction. I'm using a Logitech WM FF if that make a > > difference > > > Thanks for any help > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Marc, I've got the Force RS hooked up right now, but I think I was using the same (or very close) settings for each wheel. N3.ini FORCE_SCALE_PERCENT 200 FORCE_DAMPING_PERCENT 200 Windows: Overall Device Gain: 100% Spring Gain: 55% Damper Gain: 55% The wheel doesn't oscillate when the car is still, and does only a little when moving (that's the way I like it). When I want to make a change, like if the wheel was oscillating, I change the Windows settings for Gain and Damper evenly, and leave the N3.ini settings alsways at 200. I can get rid of wheel oscillation by just turning up the Gain, but I feel I don't get as good subtle force effects that way, so I'd suggest increasing both to get rid of it. Still, I'm open for suggestions ;) Slot "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gIdu4.7795$[email hidden]... > Hey Slot, > > What settings do you use for N3? If I leave the default (no N3.INIchanges) > FFB settings on, I get unrealistic oscillations in the wheel. That is, at > 100%/0/0/0 and no changes to N3.INI, the Ferrari will "over-respond" to > steering input by oscillating. In fact, there are times when you canbring

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> the car to a complete stop and the wheel will continue to oscillate!!! > > Secondly, if you have the wheel set-up for GPL and N3, don't you find that > you have > no wheel centring in other games? > > Thanks, > > Marc. > > > > "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:JJcu4.245$[email hidden]... > > Add these lines to N3.ini > > > > FORCE_SCALE_PERCENT 100 > > FORCE_DAMPING_PERCENT 100 > > > > Possible range is 0 - 200. Without the lines, the values default to > 100. > > > > Slot > > > > "n1ascar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:898tm6$1kcr$[email hidden]... > > > I though I read a post awhile back were someone talked about how to > adjust > > > the feel of FF in N3 to make it feel more realistic. Could someone

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> > me > > > in the right direction. I'm using a Logitech WM FF if that make a > > difference > > > Thanks for any help > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > >

I'll try those settings, now. Do you use the same for GPL, or do you have to adjust the control panel every time you switch games? By the way, there are v1.23 drivers out on the Guillemot site. They are about 10-15% stronger, but otherwise seem to be the same as the originals :( Marc > Hi Marc, > I've got the Force RS hooked up right now, but I think I was using the same

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> (or very close) settings for each wheel. > N3.ini > FORCE_SCALE_PERCENT 200 > FORCE_DAMPING_PERCENT 200 > Windows: > Overall Device Gain: 100% > Spring Gain: 55% > Damper Gain: 55% > The wheel doesn't oscillate when the car is still, and does only a little > when moving (that's the way I like it). When I want to make a change, like > if the wheel was oscillating, I change the Windows settings for Gain and > Damper evenly, and leave the N3.ini settings alsways at 200. I can get rid > of wheel oscillation by just turning up the Gain, but I feel I don't get

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> good subtle force effects that way, so I'd suggest increasing both to get > rid of it. Still, I'm open for suggestions ;) > Slot > > Hey Slot, > > What settings do you use for N3? If I leave the default (no N3.INI > changes) > > FFB settings on, I get unrealistic oscillations in the wheel. That is,

at > > 100%/0/0/0 and no changes to N3.INI, the Ferrari will "over-respond" to > > steering input by oscillating. In fact, there are times when you can > bring > > the car to a complete stop and the wheel will continue to oscillate!!! > > Secondly, if you have the wheel set-up for GPL and N3, don't you find that

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> > you have > > no wheel centring in other games? > > Thanks, > > Marc. > > > Add these lines to N3.ini > > > FORCE_SCALE_PERCENT 100 > > > FORCE_DAMPING_PERCENT 100 > > > Possible range is 0 - 200. Without the lines, the values default to > > 100. > > > Slot > > > > I though I read a post awhile back were someone talked about how to > > adjust > > > > the feel of FF in N3 to make it feel more realistic. Could someone > point > > > me > > > > in the right direction. I'm using a Logitech WM FF if that make a > > > difference > > > > Thanks for any help > > > > Kris

Unfortunately, I have to adjust the control panel when I switch games. I don't use any default spring or damping in the control panel for GPL. Well, actually, I have experimented with a little damping in the control panel for GPL to put more stiffness in the wheel. When I did this I left the core.ini damping at 4000 but lowered the value of torque to counteract the effect of the damping in control panel. It did work, and made the wheel stiffer in gameplay without much loss of subtle FF, but I always go back. I guess I just like the wheel to feel light. I think the FF in N3 must be a carryover from N1 or something. I really don't think it's very well done (just my opinion). N3 would be great with GPL type FF, but I don't really think we'll see too many games in the future programming FF with Vector Forces the way GPL does. It's just to difficult to do it right. Really a shame. I-Force seems to be pushing Spring type FF too, maybe because it's so easy to program. I'll check to see what version driver I have for the Ferrari, but it might be the latest. I know it's the same as the Act Labs driver, and that's version 1.23. It's really the same I-Force driver, just that one has the Act logo and the other the Ferrari logo. When I switch wheels, I often don't switch drivers. So I might run the Ferrari wheel, but it says Act Labs Force RS in control panel, for example, or the other way around. Slot > I'll try those settings, now. Do you use the same for GPL, or do you have > to adjust the control panel every time you switch games? > By the way, there are v1.23 drivers out on the Guillemot site. They are > about 10-15% stronger, but otherwise seem to be the same as the originals :(

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> Marc > > Hi Marc, > > I've got the Force RS hooked up right now, but I think I was using the > same > > (or very close) settings for each wheel. > > N3.ini > > FORCE_SCALE_PERCENT 200 > > FORCE_DAMPING_PERCENT 200 > > Windows: > > Overall Device Gain: 100% > > Spring Gain: 55% > > Damper Gain: 55% > > The wheel doesn't oscillate when the car is still, and does only a

little > > when moving (that's the way I like it). When I want to make a change, like > > if the wheel was oscillating, I change the Windows settings for Gain and > > Damper evenly, and leave the N3.ini settings alsways at 200. I can get rid > > of wheel oscillation by just turning up the Gain, but I feel I don't get > as > > good subtle force effects that way, so I'd suggest increasing both to get

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> > rid of it. Still, I'm open for suggestions ;) > > Slot > > > Hey Slot, > > > What settings do you use for N3? If I leave the default (no N3.INI > > changes) > > > FFB settings on, I get unrealistic oscillations in the wheel. That

is, > at > > > 100%/0/0/0 and no changes to N3.INI, the Ferrari will "over-respond" to

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> > > steering input by oscillating. In fact, there are times when you can > > bring > > > the car to a complete stop and the wheel will continue to oscillate!!! > > > Secondly, if you have the wheel set-up for GPL and N3, don't you find > that > > > you have > > > no wheel centring in other games? > > > Thanks, > > > Marc. > > > > Add these lines to N3.ini > > > > FORCE_SCALE_PERCENT 100 > > > > FORCE_DAMPING_PERCENT 100 > > > > Possible range is 0 - 200. Without the lines, the values default

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> > > 100. > > > > Slot > > > > > I though I read a post awhile back were someone talked about how

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> > > adjust > > > > > the feel of FF in N3 to make it feel more realistic. Could someone > > point > > > > me > > > > > in the right direction. I'm using a Logitech WM FF if that make a > > > > difference > > > > > Thanks for any help > > > > > Kris

Thanks for your feedback. I don't think there will be much difference in the driver from what I can see....it's just the 1.23 IForce driver with the Guillemot logo. Marc. "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fpxv4.50$[email hidden]... > Unfortunately, I have to adjust the control panel when I switch games. I > don't use any default spring or damping in the control panel for GPL.Well, > actually, I have experimented with a little damping in the control panelfor > GPL to put more stiffness in the wheel. When I did this I left thecore.ini > damping at 4000 but lowered the value of torque to counteract the effectof

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> the damping in control panel. It did work, and made the wheel stiffer in > gameplay without much loss of subtle FF, but I always go back. I guess I > just like the wheel to feel light. > > I think the FF in N3 must be a carryover from N1 or something. I really > don't think it's very well done (just my opinion). N3 would be great with > GPL type FF, but I don't really think we'll see too many games in the

future

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> programming FF with Vector Forces the way GPL does. It's just to difficult > to do it right. Really a shame. I-Force seems to be pushing Spring type FF > too, maybe because it's so easy to program. > > I'll check to see what version driver I have for the Ferrari, but it might > be the latest. I know it's the same as the Act Labs driver, and that's > version 1.23. It's really the same I-Force driver, just that one has the

Act > logo and the other the Ferrari logo. When I switch wheels, I often don't > switch drivers. So I might run the Ferrari wheel, but it says Act LabsForce

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> RS in control panel, for example, or the other way around. > > Slot > > > Marc Collins <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:tAvv4.16303$[email hidden]... > > I'll try those settings, now. Do you use the same for GPL, or do you

have > > to adjust the control panel every time you switch games? > > > > By the way, there are v1.23 drivers out on the Guillemot site. They are > > about 10-15% stronger, but otherwise seem to be the same as theoriginals

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> :( > > > > Marc > > > > > > "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:jXFu4.405$[email hidden]... > > > Hi Marc, > > > > > > I've got the Force RS hooked up right now, but I think I was using the > > same > > > (or very close) settings for each wheel. > > > N3.ini > > > FORCE_SCALE_PERCENT 200 > > > FORCE_DAMPING_PERCENT 200 > > > > > > Windows: > > > Overall Device Gain: 100% > > > Spring Gain: 55% > > > Damper Gain: 55% > > > > > > The wheel doesn't oscillate when the car is still, and does only a > little > > > when moving (that's the way I like it). When I want to make a change, > like > > > if the wheel was oscillating, I change the Windows settings for Gain

and > > > Damper evenly, and leave the N3.ini settings alsways at 200. I can get > rid > > > of wheel oscillation by just turning up the Gain, but I feel I don'tget

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> > as > > > good subtle force effects that way, so I'd suggest increasing both to > get > > > rid of it. Still, I'm open for suggestions ;) > > > > > > Slot > > > > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:gIdu4.7795$[email hidden]... > > > > Hey Slot, > > > > > > > > What settings do you use for N3? If I leave the default (no N3.INI > > > changes) > > > > FFB settings on, I get unrealistic oscillations in the wheel. That > is, > > at > > > > 100%/0/0/0 and no changes to N3.INI, the Ferrari will "over-respond" > to > > > > steering input by oscillating. In fact, there are times when you

can > > > bring > > > > the car to a complete stop and the wheel will continue tooscillate!!! > > > > > > > > Secondly, if you have the wheel set-up for GPL and N3, don't youfind

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> > that > > > > you have > > > > no wheel centring in other games? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:JJcu4.245$[email hidden]... > > > > > Add these lines to N3.ini > > > > > > > > > > FORCE_SCALE_PERCENT 100 > > > > > FORCE_DAMPING_PERCENT 100 > > > > > > > > > > Possible range is 0 - 200. Without the lines, the values

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> to > > > > 100. > > > > > > > > > > Slot > > > > > > > > > > "n1ascar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:898tm6$1kcr$[email hidden]... > > > > > > I though I read a post awhile back were someone talked about how > to > > > > adjust > > > > > > the feel of FF in N3 to make it feel more realistic. Could

someone > > > point > > > > > me > > > > > > in the right direction. I'm using a Logitech WM FF if that makea

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> > > > > difference > > > > > > Thanks for any help > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >