OT: Why NBC's Nascar Ratings are low...

1. Can we have a little Racing with our Commercials please? I mean as it is, we might was well rename all the races to the "NBC Commercials 500" or something... 2. How about a little HDTV love? Other sports are in HDTV, why not broadcast NASCAR in HDTV? I just LOVE sitting in front of $10,000 worth of Home Theatre so I can watch a 35" square area of raster on a 50" 16:9 TV. NOT! 3. Hire new commentators. You've even managed to morph Benny Parsons into a ranter who has forgotten to talk about RACING! 4. Watch Fox next season to see how to do it right. If the above is too difficult, PLEASE let your contract expire. I go now. -Larry

Watch FOX? How about both networks look at old ESPN tapes to see how to do it right. Benny was there, he should know better... "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ROced.146071$a85.47373@fed1read04...

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> 1. Can we have a little Racing with our Commercials please? I mean as > it is, we might was well rename all the races to the "NBC Commercials > 500" or something... > > 2. How about a little HDTV love? Other sports are in HDTV, why not > broadcast NASCAR in HDTV? I just LOVE sitting in front of $10,000 worth > of Home Theatre so I can watch a 35" square area of raster on a 50" 16:9 > TV. NOT! > > 3. Hire new commentators. You've even managed to morph Benny Parsons > into a ranter who has forgotten to talk about RACING! > > 4. Watch Fox next season to see how to do it right. > > If the above is too difficult, PLEASE let your contract expire. > > I go now. > > -Larry

Yep, or better yet, MizLou Network. SAMMY MARKS <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:R2fed.85$LT1.0@trnddc09...

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> Watch FOX? How about both networks look at old ESPN tapes to see how to do > it right. Benny was there, he should know better... > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ROced.146071$a85.47373@fed1read04... > > 1. Can we have a little Racing with our Commercials please? I mean as > > it is, we might was well rename all the races to the "NBC Commercials > > 500" or something... > > > > 2. How about a little HDTV love? Other sports are in HDTV, why not > > broadcast NASCAR in HDTV? I just LOVE sitting in front of $10,000 worth > > of Home Theatre so I can watch a 35" square area of raster on a 50" 16:9 > > TV. NOT! > > > > 3. Hire new commentators. You've even managed to morph Benny Parsons > > into a ranter who has forgotten to talk about RACING! > > > > 4. Watch Fox next season to see how to do it right. > > > > If the above is too difficult, PLEASE let your contract expire. > > > > I go now. > > > > -Larry > >

1. Nascar racing in itself is one big commercial. The sport is what it is, purely because it is such a great format for sticking commericals inbetween the 20 full course yellows. 2. I can't believe you wasted $10,000 on an HDTV. 3. When you're watching a sport designed to appeal to a redneck mass audience, you have to expect an uneducated commentator. If he/she dared talk about something technical, then they'd run the risk of confusing 75% of their viewing population. It isn't about technology or even racing, it is about watching cars crash and flip over. 4. Ah yes, Fox Sports. The innovators of the NHL glowing puck... for people that are too stupid to be able to follow and be entertained by a regular hockey game. Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com

Just like NASCAR ain't what it used to be so are the broadcasts. It's all about the money and ratings. When you have exclusive rights, like Fox and NBC have this is what you get. Exactly what THEY want you to get, not what you want. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ROced.146071$a85.47373@fed1read04...

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> 1. Can we have a little Racing with our Commercials please? I mean as > it is, we might was well rename all the races to the "NBC Commercials > 500" or something... > > 2. How about a little HDTV love? Other sports are in HDTV, why not > broadcast NASCAR in HDTV? I just LOVE sitting in front of $10,000 worth > of Home Theatre so I can watch a 35" square area of raster on a 50" 16:9 > TV. NOT! > > 3. Hire new commentators. You've even managed to morph Benny Parsons > into a ranter who has forgotten to talk about RACING! > > 4. Watch Fox next season to see how to do it right. > > If the above is too difficult, PLEASE let your contract expire. > > I go now. > > -Larry

In the UK, we have a limit of 7 mins of ads per hour, its seems like you guys have 3 or 4 times as much. I wouldnt watch anything with that amount of ads. When you guys go to an ad break, we get in-car coverage so from my POV you guys can keep them breaks coming. :D _____ Steve "Military intelligence, two words combined that can't make sense." Larry wrote:

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> 1. Can we have a little Racing with our Commercials please? I mean as > it is, we might was well rename all the races to the "NBC Commercials > 500" or something... > > 2. How about a little HDTV love? Other sports are in HDTV, why not > broadcast NASCAR in HDTV? I just LOVE sitting in front of $10,000 worth > of Home Theatre so I can watch a 35" square area of raster on a 50" 16:9 > TV. NOT! > > 3. Hire new commentators. You've even managed to morph Benny Parsons > into a ranter who has forgotten to talk about RACING! > > 4. Watch Fox next season to see how to do it right. > > If the above is too difficult, PLEASE let your contract expire. > > I go now. > > -Larry

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > 3. When you're watching a sport designed to appeal to a redneck mass > audience, you have to expect an uneducated commentator. Umm, it's no longer design to appeal to rednecks, and THAT's why they now have stupid commentators - to appeal to the mass of barely educated morons running around today. I'm surprised they haven't tried a txt'ing announcement deal where everyone that pays a ridiculously high amount can see the race announcing on their cel phones.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > 3. When you're watching a sport designed to appeal to a redneck mass > > audience, you have to expect an uneducated commentator. > > Umm, it's no longer design to appeal to rednecks, and THAT's why they > now have stupid commentators - to appeal to the mass of barely educated > morons running around today. I'm surprised they haven't tried a txt'ing > announcement deal where everyone that pays a ridiculously high amount > can see the race announcing on their cel phones.

Exactly. > >

"Edgecrusher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In the UK, we have a limit of 7 mins of ads per hour, its seems like youguys have 3 or 4 times as > much. I wouldnt watch anything with that amount of ads. > > When you guys go to an ad break, we get in-car coverage so from my POV youguys can keep them breaks

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> coming. :D > > _____ > > Steve > > "Military intelligence, two words combined that can't make sense."

Must be really nice. This country has become nothing but a huge fu**ing commercial for one piece of worthless shit after another. -- David G Fisher

You do have the option of moving :) Bill Bollinger www.gsxn.com "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Edgecrusher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> In the UK, we have a limit of 7 mins of ads per hour, its seems like you > guys have 3 or 4 times as >> much. I wouldnt watch anything with that amount of ads. >> >> When you guys go to an ad break, we get in-car coverage so from my POV >> you > guys can keep them breaks >> coming. :D >> >> _____ >> >> Steve >> >> "Military intelligence, two words combined that can't make sense." > > Must be really nice. > > This country has become nothing but a huge fu**ing commercial for one > piece > of worthless shit after another. > > > -- > David G Fisher > >

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> > "Edgecrusher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In the UK, we have a limit of 7 mins of ads per hour, its seems like you > guys have 3 or 4 times as > > much. I wouldnt watch anything with that amount of ads. > > > > When you guys go to an ad break, we get in-car coverage so from my POV

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> guys can keep them breaks > > coming. :D > > > > _____ > > > > Steve > > > > "Military intelligence, two words combined that can't make sense." > > Must be really nice. > > This country has become nothing but a huge fu**ing commercial for one

piece > of worthless shit after another. > > > -- > David G Fisher Excuse me, but shouldn't that be "NEW IMPROVED piece of wothhless shit" ? Elrikk ;o)

> 4. Watch Fox next season to see how to do it right. Do NBC announcers tell Clinton jokes at every opportunity like Fox Nascar announcers do ? rms

Apparently Mike, youve never been to California, New York, New Hampshire, Arizona, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, or Michigan. Mike: "people too stupid to be able to follow and be entertained by a regular hockey game" ???? My grandfather is almost 80, loves hockey, and doesnt see too well anymore. Please go over and knock on his door and tell him he is too stupid to watch hockey anymore, and should throw himself in a hole in the ground as not to offend perfect people like yourself. Grow up Mike.

>>> In the UK... "David G Fisher" wrote: >> Must be really nice. "Bill Bollinger" wrote: > You do have the option of moving :) No, we have the ports and airports all covered... :)

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> Mike: "people too stupid to be able to follow and be entertained by a > regular hockey game" ???? > My grandfather is almost 80, loves hockey, and doesnt see too well > anymore. > Please go over and knock on his door and tell him he is too stupid to > watch > hockey anymore, and should throw himself in a hole in the ground as not to > offend perfect people like yourself.

Hey man, I'm not offended at all.. that's your opinion and that's cool. But I'm pretty sure that fox didn't cartoon-ize hockey so near dying half blind people can still enjoy the game. > Grow up Mike. Nope :) Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com

we do "Larry" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:ROced.146071$a85.47373@fed1read04...

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> 1. Can we have a little Racing with our Commercials please? I mean as > it is, we might was well rename all the races to the "NBC Commercials > 500" or something... > > 2. How about a little HDTV love? Other sports are in HDTV, why not > broadcast NASCAR in HDTV? I just LOVE sitting in front of $10,000 worth > of Home Theatre so I can watch a 35" square area of raster on a 50" 16:9 > TV. NOT! > > 3. Hire new commentators. You've even managed to morph Benny Parsons > into a ranter who has forgotten to talk about RACING! > > 4. Watch Fox next season to see how to do it right. > > If the above is too difficult, PLEASE let your contract expire. > > I go now. > > -Larry

I think alot of the reason the ratings are low is..... FOOTBALL. I know for me that once football starts up, Nascar runs second. Vintook "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ROced.146071$a85.47373@fed1read04...

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> 1. Can we have a little Racing with our Commercials please? I mean as it > is, we might was well rename all the races to the "NBC Commercials 500" or > something... > > 2. How about a little HDTV love? Other sports are in HDTV, why not > broadcast NASCAR in HDTV? I just LOVE sitting in front of $10,000 worth > of Home Theatre so I can watch a 35" square area of raster on a 50" 16:9 > TV. NOT! > > 3. Hire new commentators. You've even managed to morph Benny Parsons > into a ranter who has forgotten to talk about RACING! > > 4. Watch Fox next season to see how to do it right. > > If the above is too difficult, PLEASE let your contract expire. > > I go now. > > -Larry

OUCH! Good response. Vintook "GMpartsguy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:W1ved.294371$MQ5.212601@attbi_s52...

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> Apparently Mike, youve never been to California, New York, New Hampshire, > Arizona, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, or Michigan. > > Mike: "people too stupid to be able to follow and be entertained by a > regular hockey game" ???? > My grandfather is almost 80, loves hockey, and doesnt see too well > anymore. > Please go over and knock on his door and tell him he is too stupid to > watch > hockey anymore, and should throw himself in a hole in the ground as not to > offend perfect people like yourself. > > Grow up Mike. > > >

What's wrong with a good Clinton joke? Vintook "rms" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:U%ued.13064$[email hidden]...

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>> 4. Watch Fox next season to see how to do it right. > > Do NBC announcers tell Clinton jokes at every opportunity like Fox > Nascar announcers do ? > > rms >

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:57:46 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] >says... >> 3. When you're watching a sport designed to appeal to a redneck mass >> audience, you have to expect an uneducated commentator. > >Umm, it's no longer design to appeal to rednecks, and THAT's why they >now have stupid commentators - to appeal to the mass of barely educated >morons running around today. I'm surprised they haven't tried a txt'ing >announcement deal where everyone that pays a ridiculously high amount >can see the race announcing on their cel phones.

No announcers yet, but Nextel will text race updates and in-car audio to your phone. It's just a matter of time until you can get the full broadcast streamed to your phone/handheld..

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:01:55 -0400, Larry <[email hidden]> wrote: >1. Can we have a little Racing with our Commercials please? I mean as >it is, we might was well rename all the races to the "NBC Commercials >500" or something... You got that right. The best thing I've found is TiVo. I've wanted it for long time and finally got it about a month ago. Now I can't imagine watching tv without it lol.. This is the best thing for the idiot box since they put color in it. If you've ever considered one, do it - I can't imagine anyone being disappointed. You still have to fast forward through the commercials, but those are here to stay in one form or another until it goes PPV. >3. Hire new commentators. You've even managed to morph Benny Parsons >into a ranter who has forgotten to talk about RACING! I'm in the minority, but I don't have major problems with most of the broadcast or the people who do it. I like all of the booth guys from both networks. I think the FOX broadcast is better, but I enjoy the NBC crew too.

I don't know. What's wrong with a good Bush joke? "Vintook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iGwed.1912$[email hidden]...

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> What's wrong with a good Clinton joke? > > Vintook > > "rms" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:U%ued.13064$[email hidden]... > >> 4. Watch Fox next season to see how to do it right. > > > > Do NBC announcers tell Clinton jokes at every opportunity like Fox > > Nascar announcers do ? > > > > rms > > > >

> 2. How about a little HDTV love? Other sports are in HDTV, why not > broadcast NASCAR in HDTV? I just LOVE sitting in front of $10,000 worth > of Home Theatre so I can watch a 35" square area of raster on a 50" 16:9 > TV. NOT! Hey gents. Larry, I don't watch NASCAR too much anymore, but I could almost swear I get most of the race in 16:9 1080i HD. In-car camera shots and some others revert to 4:3, but the race is 16:9. Maybe I can check again tomorrow. Gary -- Tweaks & Reviews www.slottweak.com

That's kinda my point. If it's being transmitted in HD, why isn't NBC broadcasting it in HD? My local NBC channel and cable company. definitely broadcasts HD so they have the capability. It's sad when you can watch a horrible 30 min sitcom in HD, but a major sporting event comes through in SD 4:3. -Larry GTX_SlotCar wrote:

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>>2. How about a little HDTV love? Other sports are in HDTV, why not >>broadcast NASCAR in HDTV? I just LOVE sitting in front of $10,000 worth >>of Home Theatre so I can watch a 35" square area of raster on a 50" 16:9 >>TV. NOT! > > > Hey gents. > Larry, I don't watch NASCAR too much anymore, but I could almost swear I get > most of the race in 16:9 1080i HD. In-car camera shots and some others > revert to 4:3, but the race is 16:9. Maybe I can check again tomorrow. > > Gary

I have an HD DVR with my cable company. However, it's no Tivo and it's the dumbest POS I've ever used in my life. I won't bore you with the details, but my old habits of starting the recording then watching from the beginning after it's been recording for about an hour or so isn't feasible with thia pile of junk. I left DirecTV and my DirecTivo (extremely hesitently) after being with them from the very beginning solely because of the HD/DVR situation with DirecTv. As soon as the boxes are down to sub-trump pricing levels I'm going back. -Larry John Hilsman wrote:

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> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:01:55 -0400, Larry <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>1. Can we have a little Racing with our Commercials please? I mean as >>it is, we might was well rename all the races to the "NBC Commercials >>500" or something... > > > You got that right. The best thing I've found is TiVo. I've wanted > it for long time and finally got it about a month ago. Now I can't > imagine watching tv without it lol.. This is the best thing for the > idiot box since they put color in it. If you've ever considered one, > do it - I can't imagine anyone being disappointed. You still have to > fast forward through the commercials, but those are here to stay in > one form or another until it goes PPV.

_At least_ -Larry Edgecrusher wrote:

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> In the UK, we have a limit of 7 mins of ads per hour, its seems like you > guys have 3 or 4 times as much. I wouldnt watch anything with that > amount of ads. > > When you guys go to an ad break, we get in-car coverage so from my POV > you guys can keep them breaks coming. :D > > _____ > > Steve > > "Military intelligence, two words combined that can't make sense." > > > > > Larry wrote: > >> 1. Can we have a little Racing with our Commercials please? I mean >> as it is, we might was well rename all the races to the "NBC >> Commercials 500" or something... >> >> 2. How about a little HDTV love? Other sports are in HDTV, why not >> broadcast NASCAR in HDTV? I just LOVE sitting in front of $10,000 >> worth of Home Theatre so I can watch a 35" square area of raster on a >> 50" 16:9 TV. NOT! >> >> 3. Hire new commentators. You've even managed to morph Benny Parsons >> into a ranter who has forgotten to talk about RACING! >> >> 4. Watch Fox next season to see how to do it right. >> >> If the above is too difficult, PLEASE let your contract expire. >> >> I go now. >> >> -Larry

No, they didnt. But they made it better for a few fans. (knowingly or not). He's not blind, but regular TV only has so much resolution and "framerate". Players are faster, and he slowed way down. The bigger TV didnt help much, and im not popping for a 65" HDTV for his hockey habit. My apologies to you and the rest of the group for being a bit of an A-hole. Taking care of your elders is a bit new to me.

I don't think anyone thinks you were being an asshole man... back to sim racing :) Mike "GMpartsguy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ryXed.1872$R05.1064@attbi_s53...

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> No, they didnt. But they made it better for a few fans. (knowingly or > not). > He's not blind, but regular TV only has so much resolution and > "framerate". > Players are faster, and he slowed way down. The bigger TV didnt help much, > and im not popping for a 65" HDTV for his hockey habit. My apologies to > you > and the rest of the group for being a bit of an A-hole. Taking care of > your > elders is a bit new to me. > >

I don't think anyone thinks you were being an *** man... back to sim racing :) Mike

NO!, that is to stop you from comming back... ;) Tony Rickard enlightened us with:

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>>>> In the UK... > > "David G Fisher" wrote: >>> Must be really nice. > > "Bill Bollinger" wrote: >> You do have the option of moving :) > > No, we have the ports and airports all covered... > > :)

NO!, that is to stop you from comming back... ;) Tony Rickard enlightened us with:

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>>>> In the UK... >>> Must be really nice. >> You do have the option of moving :) > No, we have the ports and airports all covered... > :)

I don't know. What's wrong with a good Kerry joke? "Tanstaafl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SHBed.28128$[email hidden]...

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>I don't know. What's wrong with a good Bush joke? > > "Vintook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:iGwed.1912$[email hidden]... >> What's wrong with a good Clinton joke? >> >> Vintook >> >> "rms" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:U%ued.13064$[email hidden]... >> >> 4. Watch Fox next season to see how to do it right. >> > >> > Do NBC announcers tell Clinton jokes at every opportunity like Fox >> > Nascar announcers do ? >> > >> > rms >> > >> >> > >

I don't know. What's wrong with a good Kerry joke?

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>I don't know. What's wrong with a good Bush joke? >> What's wrong with a good Clinton joke? >> Vintook >> >> 4. Watch Fox next season to see how to do it right. >> > Do NBC announcers tell Clinton jokes at every opportunity like Fox >> > Nascar announcers do ? >> > rms

Well Larry, I checked and the entire broadcast was in 4:3 for me, too. I must have been thinking of TNT or something. I had to change to 480p and zoom mode to fill the screen, and it's just not the same as 1080i. Lucky for me, I'm in New England so I had plenty to watch with the Red Sox and Patriots. NASCAR if furiously trying to compete with the NFL for Fall ratings. You'd think they'd put a little pressure on NBC to broadcast HD in 16:9. Would you laugh too hard if I said NASCAR must know what they're doing? "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a%Med.157803$a85.140165@fed1read04...

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> That's kinda my point. > > If it's being transmitted in HD, why isn't NBC broadcasting it in HD? > > My local NBC channel and cable company. definitely broadcasts HD so > they have the capability. > > It's sad when you can watch a horrible 30 min sitcom in HD, but a major > sporting event comes through in SD 4:3. > > -Larry > > GTX_SlotCar wrote: > >>2. How about a little HDTV love? Other sports are in HDTV, why not > >>broadcast NASCAR in HDTV? I just LOVE sitting in front of $10,000 worth > >>of Home Theatre so I can watch a 35" square area of raster on a 50" 16:9 > >>TV. NOT! > > > > > > Hey gents. > > Larry, I don't watch NASCAR too much anymore, but I could almost swear I

get > > most of the race in 16:9 1080i HD. In-car camera shots and some others > > revert to 4:3, but the race is 16:9. Maybe I can check again tomorrow. > > > > Gary