Where's Indy (The 500

>PH > Subject: Re: Where's Indy (The 500) > > Subject: Re: Where's Indy (The 500) Thanks so much for the answer to my question. It is a most definitive answer and thanks for taking the time to explain it. I had no idea all this was going on. Seems a shame though it can't be included because of all the BS going on. Just seems a little hollow with out it. Mr. Genter posted a reply also, which implied it was too restrictive and would not be worth their while???? but seems to me like they really don't want it even if they sold it as an add on. A rather vague answer to me. Looks like if they had an Indy Track Pak it would only enhance the sales of the main deal, which is where the money is. What you say does make sense. I'm sure others here appreciate your taking the time to explain it. I don't know what a PATOOT is, but it sounds good to me. The sale of Papy to Sierra I think becomes a bigger worry as it seems companies Sierra become involved with in this manner tend to bid everyone adios and become non existant (Dynamix). Maybe this won't happen. I know they say nothing will change. Sure Jack. Thanks to all who took the time to reply to my post as I think everyone is a bit more enlightened and everyones opinion was appreciated.

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> > Subject: Re: Where's Indy (The 500) > > With Tony George (the owner of Indianapolis Motor Speedway) acting like > such a patoot about the Indy Racing League, it's no wonder that he won't > give Papyrus the rights to include IMS in the Indycar package. Of course > he'd probably have no hesitation at all to include it and the other IRL > tracks in some other simulation... >

Actually because Papyrus locked up the rights to the other tracks before they ran to the IRL, two of the ciruts are included in ICR2. Phoenix and (I think) Loudon are gonna be on the IRL calender next year. I have no beef with that idea, however since the Indy 500 is called the Greatest Spectacle in Racing, I think the actions of Tony George are reprehensible. I like your choice of words concerning Mr. George, he is acting like a big PATOOT! Dave Henrie * JABBER v1.1 * -- | Fidonet: Dave Henrie 1:346/25 | Fido -> Internet/Usenet via Net 346 Services

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> Subject: Re: Where's Indy (The 500) > > : Why can't Papyrus put out the 500 track at Indy. Why are these > : "Indycars" If no Indy? Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is > : probably a smoke screen for money. Is Papy too cheap to ante up? > : These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus > : until they answer. Same for Daytona w/Nascar. I want Indy and won't > : shut up until they produce or have a damn good answer why not! > > I think the reason given was because of the new circuit that is going to > compete with Indy next year, has the rights to the track at Indy. >

Money is not the problem. 2 separate problems. 1st for Daytona, SEGA has purchased an exlusive license with the track owners to use the name and shape of Daytona for thier arcade and Sega Saturn video games. Even though the Daytona USA resembles the real Daytona in shape only, it is locked up. Indianapolis. And I won't shut up til the boneheads that own the Indianapolis Motor Speedway get a clue. Tony George is the head of the family that owns Indy. He has had some concerns about where Indy car has been going. i.e. road and street circuts, foriegn drivers, fancy prototype engine packages. So he formed an alternate organization to compete with the CART Indycar owners. Papyrus has all thier licenses through CART. the new league, called the Indy Racing League(IRL) has control of the Indy 500. To help promote thier series they have limited the number of non IRL team cars that can enter the race to only 8. The first 25 cars, no matter how slow, all come from the IRL series. This effectively prevents the CART/PPG Indycar teams from participating. So here are the TWO reasons Indy is not in ICR2. 1) Tony George is not affiliated with the group that is running the Indycar Racing series and therefore not included in it's licensing agreements. 2) Tony George is RUINING the Indy 500 by NOT allowing open qualifying to the best 33 car/driver/teams. Therefore, even IF Papyrus goes outside of thier CART aggreements and Licenses the Indy track, it should NOT be included because it is NOT a part of Indycar Races. Keep in mind that the Engine and Chassis package rules will be changed after this year and the two series will not even be close to compatible. If you want to make a different game that includes the IRL series feel free, but since I race the cars and tracks of the CART/PPG Indycar series, I won't be wasting my time with stock block Buicks that Tony George loves so much. Dave Henrie Indy Cars without the Indy 500? Blame Tony George and the IRL. * JABBER v1.1 * -- | Fidonet: Dave Henrie 1:346/25 | Fido -> Internet/Usenet via Net 346 Services

A PATOOT is the last part of the horse to go over the fence. Not a wonderful thing. Ron (Buckster Express)---------->

but seems to me like they really don't want it even if they sold it as an add on. A rather vague answer to me. Looks like if they had an Indy Track Pak it would only enhance the sales of the main deal, which is where the money is. <<< We don't make money on the track packs. As to whether the track packs increase sales of the main product, I don't think we have a way to measure that... Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II Papyrus Design Group, Inc.

I don't understand why you think Papyrus is somehow trying to get away with something here. I tried to explain it in email. If they *can* license it, but doing so would cost them a lot of money, that is going to drive up the cost to the consumer of the add-on track. You can't expect them to swallow the cost -- they're a business. I'm sure they know enough to weigh the cost against any potential sales increase and the ability to recoup the cost by raising the product price. So as the cost to create the track pack goes up, so does the price. How much are you willing to pay for the track? $50? $100? $500? I seem to remember you told me something less than $50. So it's not in Papyrus's interest, it's not in your interest, it's not in anyone's interest, for papyrus to pay a restrictive amount to license it. And knowing the Speedway as we all do, a "restrictive amount" is a fair certainty. There's nothing disingenuous, vague or sinister about that. It is simple market economics. I'm sure they DO want it and would LOVE to be able to afford to use it, for exactly the reason you state. --