I haven't seen anyone else suffer from it, but I'm posting the solution for
reference anyway.
I upgraded from ribbon type ultra ATA cables to round, shielded ones today
and stages now load within 10 or so seconds, just like the other posters
indicated. CD loading times (same IDE channel) have also decreased markedly.
Amazing the kind of problem technology can hide from you (which this PC has
had from new, obviously). Any programs out there that can monitor error
rates on one's IDE bus?
Jan.
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Changing to a round cable isn't an upgrade.. there's nothing wrong with ATA
cables, and there's no difference. The round ones do help for cooling if you
don't bother arranging the ribbon ones nicely.. but cheap ones suffer from
data loss. Maybe your cable was just fucked?
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>I haven't seen anyone else suffer from it, but I'm posting the solution for >reference anyway. > > I upgraded from ribbon type ultra ATA cables to round, shielded ones today > and stages now load within 10 or so seconds, just like the other posters > indicated. CD loading times (same IDE channel) have also decreased > markedly. > > Amazing the kind of problem technology can hide from you (which this PC > has had from new, obviously). Any programs out there that can monitor > error rates on one's IDE bus? > > Jan. > =--- > >LOL. Mike... yes the cables would have been an upgrade if the old cables
were not ata compliant (missing the pin on like pin "20 something" in the
middle of the cable.)
Hey JAN,
I think the program "Spin Rite" found at GRC.com possibly might been able
to detect errors as you wrote or read the drives, and stuff, however until
you mentioned it, I sure wouldn't have suspected the cable and I haven't
tried the app (they did that program that checked Zipdrives for the click of
death syndrome (aptly called click of death tester if I recall correctly).
Course I think the "PC wizard" that I learned much my PC stuff might have,
but maybe only had he known or seen the cable issue in person.
"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Changing to a round cable isn't an upgrade.. there's nothing wrong with > ATA cables, and there's no difference. The round ones do help for cooling > if you don't bother arranging the ribbon ones nicely.. but cheap ones > suffer from data loss. Maybe your cable was just fucked? > > > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HxH6d.261226$[email hidden]... >>I haven't seen anyone else suffer from it, but I'm posting the solution >>for reference anyway. >> >> I upgraded from ribbon type ultra ATA cables to round, shielded ones >> today and stages now load within 10 or so seconds, just like the other >> posters indicated. CD loading times (same IDE channel) have also >> decreased markedly. >> >> Amazing the kind of problem technology can hide from you (which this PC >> has had from new, obviously). Any programs out there that can monitor >> error rates on one's IDE bus? >> >> Jan. >> =--- >> >> > >In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...
> Changing to a round cable isn't an upgrade.. there's nothing wrong with ATA
> cables, and there's no difference. The round ones do help for cooling if you
> don't bother arranging the ribbon ones nicely.. but cheap ones suffer from
> data loss. Maybe your cable was just fucked?
>
Didn't there used to be 40 pin IDE cables years ago? They are now 80
pin. Maybe Jan had one of the old 40 pin'rs.
MRSisson
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"Michael R Sisson" wrote...
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>
> Didn't there used to be 40 pin IDE cables years ago? They
> are now 80 pin. Maybe Jan had one of the old 40 pin'rs.
No.
Allow me to explain the config... on the primary IDE channel there is a
"mission critical", bootable 40GB 7200rpm top of the range (nearly 3 years
ago) Maxtor drive holding the operating system, office/productivity programs
and GPL as "master". As "slave" I now have a 7200rpm 120GB "mass storage"
drive (used to be a 80GB one, which is now powering a friend's machine after
his/my ex-Sony 40GB failed. Both are housed in 5.25" bays and have cooling
fans.
On the secundary IDE there's the SAMSUNG 4200rpm 40GB drive which holds my
other games like NR2003, F1C, Worms3D, Half Life, Medal of Honour, Trainsim,
BF1942 and RBR as "master" and my LG 40x DVD-ROM drive as "slave". The
Samsung is mouted in the 3.5" bays along with my floppy drive and without
extra cooling.
Both channels were connected by ribbon type, 80 conductor ultra ATA cables
(which came with the Maxtor drives) to my Asus A7v266E mainboard.
These ribbon cables proved extremely unwieldy and, seeing as I often swap
out the Samsung for a client's HD (for the purpose of data-recovery when
they're upgrading to a new PC), I waited for shielded, twisted pair 90cm
round cables to come down in price in order to replace them.
I got two of them along with the 120GB drive for 6,35- Euros +VAT each,
which I think is good value and, seeing as they incorporate shielding and a
twisted pair arrangement, they also provide an _upgrade_ in terms of RMI/RFI
immunity.
Anyhow, to test I went back to the ribbon type cable for my secundary IDE
channel, using the "known-good" ultra ATA ribbon cable that used to be on my
prinary IDE, only to find the excessively long loading times in RBR again.
So, in this case, housing this particular config, shielded, twisted pair,
round ultra ATA cables make the difference between minutes and seconds to
load a stage in RBR.
Strange, but true...
Jan.
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"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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That is Twisted Jan...
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.dave henrie
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> So, in this case, housing this particular config, shielded, twisted > pair, round ultra ATA cables make the difference between minutes and > seconds to load a stage in RBR. > > Strange, but true... > > Jan.er.. I don't think he'll get that pun!
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:Lgm7d.263210$[email hidden]: > >> So, in this case, housing this particular config, shielded, twisted >> pair, round ultra ATA cables make the difference between minutes and >> seconds to load a stage in RBR. >> >> Strange, but true... >> >> Jan. > > That is Twisted Jan... > . > . > . > . > .dave henrie"Tim Epstein" wrote...
> er.. I don't think he'll get that pun!
Do not underestimate me, Mr Epstein... ;-))
I've been around for a long while and so has Mr. Henrie. I'm sure he doesn't
need me to post "LOL" to know I had a chuckle courtesy of his remark.
Jan.
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Oh, wait a minute... you have these drives & cables if I have this visioned
right, outside the box so easy to change et all?
Hell I do the exact thing you do, but I do it with one of those drive trays.
I have 3 cartridges for it, my backup disk in one, and a "store dissk" and
an empty to fix machines I deal with on my off time. Works awesome, as I
just set the jumper correctly slip er into the cart, then next boot I push
er into the case. I also got me one of those USB 2.0 housings, with a 40g
storage drive in it, and at work (actually paycheck place) I use it to swap
HD's and stuff too. usb 1.0 is probably as slow as your former cable
arrangement, but it works pretty nice and easy!
Jan Verschueren enlightened us with:
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