I have heard a number of people here mention a bug in ICR2 that involves
yellow flags and pitting, yet haven't noticed these in the game itself.
Of course, the fact that I rarely complete a race long enough to pit could
account for this. Can anyone tell me what these bugs are, and when they
appear, and if there is a patch yet available for them? Thanks!
...
Something about pitting under a yellow flag- or if yellow comes out
when you are pitted. You are then forced to the back of the race, or
down a lap, or some such injustice.
No, there isn't a patch, but please do contact Papyrus and tell them
you want one, like we all have. One story has it that they have the
patch, but aren't releasing it until Win95 version of the game comes
out.
> One story has it that they have the
>patch, but aren't releasing it until Win95 version of the game comes
>out.
This is exactly what you say, a story. Once again, we are not finished
with the patch and probably won't be until the time when the Windows 95
version ships.
Rick Genter
Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II
Papyrus Design Group, Inc.
>Once again, we are not finished
>with the patch and probably won't be until the time when the Windows 95
>version ships.
>Rick Genter
Sorry for spreading rumours, I read the same post you read in "Laguna
Seca Problems."
Since you are responding to my post here and not in the thread "ICRII
Woes", let re-ask you:
Rick, maybe you can enlighten us as to what optimum tire temps are for
both kinds of tires. There is a whole lot of speculation up here about
it, the range people are saying spreads from 200 on up to 255-
clearly most of us are wrong!
And it is fair to say that at "redline" the engine is putting out the
most horsepower?
Great game, keep up the good work
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> > One story has it that they have the > >patch, but aren't releasing it until Win95 version of the game comes > >out. > This is exactly what you say, a story. Once again, we are not finished > with the patch and probably won't be until the time when the Windows 95 > version ships. > Rick Genter > Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II > Papyrus Design Group, Inc.>Rick, maybe you can enlighten us as to what optimum tire temps are for
>both kinds of tires. There is a whole lot of speculation up here about
>it, the range people are saying spreads from 200 on up to 255-
>clearly most of us are wrong!
The optimal temperature is 250 degrees.
No. Redline is the point above which you start doing damage to your
engine. Peak power is not so trivially defined; it depends not only on
RPMs, but on the air temperature as well and follows a power curve defined
by a 3rd-order polynomial that is different for each engine type.
Rick Genter
Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II
Papyrus Design Group, Inc.
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>Subject: Re: Bugs in ICR2 >Date: 12 Apr 1996 13:54:13 -0400 >>Rick, maybe you can enlighten us as to what optimum tire temps are for >>both kinds of tires. There is a whole lot of speculation up here about >>it, the range people are saying spreads from 200 on up to 255- >>clearly most of us are wrong! >The optimal temperature is 250 degrees. >>And it is fair to say that at "redline" the engine is putting out the >>most horsepower? >No. Redline is the point above which you start doing damage to your >engine. Peak power is not so trivially defined; it depends not only on >RPMs, but on the air temperature as well and follows a power curve defined >by a 3rd-order polynomial that is different for each engine type. >Rick Genter >Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II >Papyrus Design Group, Inc.writes:
No, we are not doing the Homestead and Rio tracks.
Rick Genter
Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II
Papyrus Design Group, Inc.
>Oh, GREAT. Now we need a degree in differential physics to tune an
>ENGINE?!?<g>
To tune an IndyCar engine, yeah, probably :-).
Rick Genter
Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II
Papyrus Design Group, Inc.
> >Rick, maybe you can enlighten us as to what optimum tire temps are for
> >both kinds of tires. There is a whole lot of speculation up here about
> >it, the range people are saying spreads from 200 on up to 255-
> >clearly most of us are wrong!
> The optimal temperature is 250 degrees.
Rick, I am very sorry but that is wrong for road tracks and street
circuits.
It may be that it is true for all tracks with a pached ICRII but
it is not true in the current version of ICRII.
On any road course or street circuit the tire performance
is reduced when the temp goes above ~235 degrees. When a tire
reaches 250 deg. the tire feels like it has been immersed in
crude oil and put back on the car. It is almost undriveable.
I have done 1:10.868 at Detroit (75F, No wind, Realistic Dmg).
That was set on the second flying lap. If I try a third flying lap
some of the tires get very hot(~240 - 250 degrees) and the car moves
all over the place and develops both understeer and oversteer.
This is true for all the tracks but there are not many tracks
except the ovals where the tires(soft compound) get that hot.
Usually the front tires are 200 - 230F, with one of the front
tires usually being ~200F or below because there are a majority of
left or right turns. The rear tires are in the range 210 ~ 235F but
not often as high as 235 or above given that the car doesn't have
a lot of oversteer.
In fact it is very difficult to get a tire as hot as 250 deg.
on the non oval tracks (except Detroit).
The reason why is that it is abnormally high. Such temps will
only be reached if you use too soft compounds or if you wrestle
the car a lot in the turns or spins. Btw at all the non-oval tracks
the soft compund is the optimum(except at Detroit where RF should
be medium compund).
The bottom line is that the fastest lap times on non-oval tracks
cannot be achieved with tires being at 250 deg. hence the grip
must be relatively lower at ~250 deg. which consequently means that
~250F is not the optimum temperature for these kind of tracks.
On the ovals it is different where it seems that 250F is the optimum
temp. And why is that?
Why don't you provide us with a qual set-up for any non-oval track
except Detroit that gets some of tires to ~250F when the car is
driven smoothly. The set-up should be competitive and well balanced.
By releasing such a set-up you will prove me wrong and I will become
religious (Hare, Hare, Hare, ...).
What's competitive?
(Based on my best lap times at 75F, No Wind, Realistic DMG, Two wheels
on the track at all times, No pitlane shortcuts)
Elkhart Lake: 1:39.179
Laguna Seca: 1:05.189
Long Beach: 51.18x
Mid-Ohio: 1:08.508
Portland: 58.xxx
Toronto: 56.3xx
Vancouver: 53.574
--- Terje Wold Johansen
--- http://www.ifi.uio.no/~terjjo/
--- "I am your inferior superior." O.W.
>>Rick, maybe you can enlighten us as to what optimum tire temps are for
>>both kinds of tires. There is a whole lot of speculation up here about
>>it, the range people are saying spreads from 200 on up to 255-
>>clearly most of us are wrong!
>The optimal temperature is 250 degrees.
If the optimal temperature is 250 degrees the it would follow that
changing any settings on the car should be done after the optimal
temperature is reach right? I've recently purchased IRC2 and have had
a heck of a time keeping the car under control fresh out of the pits.
I am following the actual races and a I am trying to run the Long
Beach race this weekend. When I test and pull out of the pit into pit
lane the car pulls left and right regardless of what setting I'm
using. Following your I should run several laps before reaching racing
speed.
Since the optimal temperature is so high, how about the start of the
race. How can you start the race with tires at higher temp?
