Could someon please bring me up to date?

Hi all, about 6 years ago i was already subscribed to ras (around the time GPL hit the scene). Iwas following the discussions here and was especially excited about that sim that was worked on by the West rothers ( what's it name gain?). Then in 2000 i suffered a stroke (age 25) and was taken out of action for a good year and a half. Only now, that i got things together again(or at least to some degree), i rejoined ras properly. Could someone enlighten me what happened in the meantime in the sim world? Okay , Irealize Papy seems to be dead,with NR2003 beigtheir final release, which i'm btw. not soooo incredibly impressed by. Obviously RBR is now the hot thing around. But what else happened? Especially to the West's thingie? Thanks in advance! Cheers! Cris

In article <cionu0$801$02$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Cris Eichler) wrote: > But what else happened? 1) The Wests are alive and well working on their independently funded sim. They update their website regularly (ok, once a year) telling us which bit of scenery they've polished recently. Their cat died, so did most of our patience ;-) But there's always hope. In my case, I hope I still have some eyesight left by the time they release some code. http://www.racing-legends.com/news.htm 2) Sierra disbanded Papyrus, but Kaemmer and some rich bloke bought back the Papy codebase (or something like that) and there is hope for a new masterpiece to rival GPL and N2003. 3) Live For Speed (LFS) is very promising and being developed in a similar way to the Wests... only they have a product you can race with and pay for in instalments as it develops. http://www.liveforspeed.net/ 4) Other promising stuff is Netkar http://www.nkzone.com/ and, er... another one I forget about. Memory like a seive. 5) The Simbin GTR sim looks like being the next Great Thing. Started out as a mod for ISI's F1 sim. enginehttp://www.bhmotorsports.com/awards/2/winners/208 6) Er... some other stuff. GPL refused to die, mainly ;-) http://55and65.speedgeezers.com/gpl65/ 7) RBR is well worth the price of entry. Great fun. That'll do. I'm sure some proper experts will be along any moment to point out any glaring omissions. Glad your health has recovered enough for you to be able to take an interest in this kind of thing again. Strokes can be really cruel, at any age. Andrew McP

Great summary, Andrew! I would only add that there's a lot of "Fast & Furious" tuner-car, street-racing action in console games nowadays. "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <cionu0$801$02$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Cris > Eichler) wrote: > > > But what else happened? > > 1) The Wests are alive and well working on their independently funded sim. > They update their website regularly (ok, once a year) telling us which bit > of scenery they've polished recently. Their cat died, so did most of our > patience ;-) But there's always hope. In my case, I hope I still have some > eyesight left by the time they release some code. > > http://www.racing-legends.com/news.htm > > 2) Sierra disbanded Papyrus, but Kaemmer and some rich bloke bought back > the Papy codebase (or something like that) and there is hope for a new > masterpiece to rival GPL and N2003. > > 3) Live For Speed (LFS) is very promising and being developed in a similar > way to the Wests... only they have a product you can race with and pay for > in instalments as it develops. http://www.liveforspeed.net/ > > 4) Other promising stuff is Netkar http://www.nkzone.com/ and, er... > another one I forget about. Memory like a seive. > > 5) The Simbin GTR sim looks like being the next Great Thing. Started out > as a mod for ISI's F1 sim. > enginehttp://www.bhmotorsports.com/awards/2/winners/208 > > 6) Er... some other stuff. GPL refused to die, mainly ;-) > http://55and65.speedgeezers.com/gpl65/ > > 7) RBR is well worth the price of entry. Great fun. > > That'll do. I'm sure some proper experts will be along any moment to point > out any glaring omissions. > > Glad your health has recovered enough for you to be able to take an > interest in this kind of thing again. Strokes can be really cruel, at any > age. > > Andrew McP

"Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <cionu0$801$02$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Cris > Eichler) wrote: > > > But what else happened? > > 1) The Wests are alive and well working on their independently funded sim. > They update their website regularly (ok, once a year) telling us which bit > of scenery they've polished recently. Their cat died, so did most of our > patience ;-) But there's always hope. In my case, I hope I still have some > eyesight left by the time they release some code. > > http://www.racing-legends.com/news.htm > > 2) Sierra disbanded Papyrus, but Kaemmer and some rich bloke bought back > the Papy codebase (or something like that) and there is hope for a new > masterpiece to rival GPL and N2003. > > 3) Live For Speed (LFS) is very promising and being developed in a similar > way to the Wests... only they have a product you can race with and pay for > in instalments as it develops. http://www.liveforspeed.net/ > > 4) Other promising stuff is Netkar http://www.nkzone.com/ and, er... > another one I forget about. Memory like a seive. > > 5) The Simbin GTR sim looks like being the next Great Thing. Started out > as a mod for ISI's F1 sim. > enginehttp://www.bhmotorsports.com/awards/2/winners/208 > > 6) Er... some other stuff. GPL refused to die, mainly ;-) > http://55and65.speedgeezers.com/gpl65/ > > 7) RBR is well worth the price of entry. Great fun. > > That'll do. I'm sure some proper experts will be along any moment to point > out any glaring omissions. > > Glad your health has recovered enough for you to be able to take an > interest in this kind of thing again. Strokes can be really cruel, at any > age. >

Thhanks for all the info. Yes, Ialready heard of (and tried) Netkar, which is a remarkable piece of code from a single guy ... So, I'm back on the track, even though i can only do it with my right hand and right foot (left side remained paralyzed). Okay, so driving around the Glen in GPL that way, i got down to 1:11.05 yesterday. Next goal: Taking another good 5 seconds off that time to reach my "before stroke" PB LOL Good to hear that Mr Kaemmer's genius seems to have survived Papy'decease then. Rally-wise, CMR2 is still the most fun for me. Can't wait for a DEMO of RBR, cause i don't yet have a DVD drive to install the full version. Oh well, maybe I'll try the warez to bridge a couple of weeks 'til i get one. And oh yeah! What's the full name of that thing that is refered to as "GTR" around gere? And is there a demo? Thanks again... Cheers! Cris

Link to it from here I see... (latest place I visited that happened to have a link) http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/games/gtr.html Cris Eichler wrote:

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> "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> schrieb im > Newsbeitrag > news:[email hidden]... >> In article <cionu0$801$02$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Cris >> Eichler) wrote: >> >>> But what else happened? >> >> 1) The Wests are alive and well working on their independently >> funded sim. They update their website regularly (ok, once a year) >> telling us which bit of scenery they've polished recently. Their cat >> died, so did most of our patience ;-) But there's always hope. In my >> case, I hope I still have some eyesight left by the time they >> release some code. >> >> http://www.racing-legends.com/news.htm >> >> 2) Sierra disbanded Papyrus, but Kaemmer and some rich bloke bought >> back the Papy codebase (or something like that) and there is hope >> for a new masterpiece to rival GPL and N2003. >> >> 3) Live For Speed (LFS) is very promising and being developed in a >> similar way to the Wests... only they have a product you can race >> with and pay for in instalments as it develops. >> http://www.liveforspeed.net/ >> >> 4) Other promising stuff is Netkar http://www.nkzone.com/ and, er... >> another one I forget about. Memory like a seive. >> >> 5) The Simbin GTR sim looks like being the next Great Thing. Started >> out as a mod for ISI's F1 sim. >> enginehttp://www.bhmotorsports.com/awards/2/winners/208 >> >> 6) Er... some other stuff. GPL refused to die, mainly ;-) >> http://55and65.speedgeezers.com/gpl65/ >> >> 7) RBR is well worth the price of entry. Great fun. >> >> That'll do. I'm sure some proper experts will be along any moment to >> point out any glaring omissions. >> >> Glad your health has recovered enough for you to be able to take an >> interest in this kind of thing again. Strokes can be really cruel, >> at any age. >> > > Thhanks for all the info. Yes, Ialready heard of (and tried) Netkar, > which is a remarkable piece of code from a single guy ... > > So, I'm back on the track, even though i can only do it with my right > hand and right foot (left side remained paralyzed). Okay, so driving > around the Glen in GPL that way, i got down to 1:11.05 yesterday. > Next goal: Taking another good 5 seconds off that time to reach my > "before stroke" PB LOL > > Good to hear that Mr Kaemmer's genius seems to have survived > Papy'decease then. Rally-wise, CMR2 is still the most fun for me. > Can't wait for a DEMO of RBR, cause i don't yet have a DVD drive to > install the full version. Oh well, maybe I'll try the warez to bridge > a couple of weeks 'til i get one. > > > > And oh yeah! What's the full name of that thing that is refered to as > "GTR" around gere? And is there a demo? > > > Thanks again... > > Cheers! > > Cris

Andrew, an excellant summary. Just add - Checkout www.bhmotorsports.com They have the GTR demo linked as well and the majority of every driving game listed http://www.bhmotorsports.com/sim Plus don't forget that the Wests initial efforts resulted in Total Immersion Racing, which wasn't that bad after the mod community got to it, but it wasn't what we'd hoped for. And finally the Wests had a finger in Rally Trophy but I never found out what they did. Andi. -- Remove only one zero to reply "Plowboy2" <stingre.removethis_@yahoo!.removeit> wrote in message news:wNX3d.58509$wu.44789@okepread04... > Link to it from here I see... (latest place I visited that happened to have > a link) > http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/games/gtr.html > > Cris Eichler wrote: > > "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> schrieb im > > Newsbeitrag > > news:[email hidden]... > >> In article <cionu0$801$02$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Cris > >> Eichler) wrote: > >> > >>> But what else happened? > >> > >> 1) The Wests are alive and well working on their independently > >> funded sim. They update their website regularly (ok, once a year) > >> telling us which bit of scenery they've polished recently. Their cat > >> died, so did most of our patience ;-) But there's always hope. In my > >> case, I hope I still have some eyesight left by the time they > >> release some code. > >> > >> http://www.racing-legends.com/news.htm > >> > >> 2) Sierra disbanded Papyrus, but Kaemmer and some rich bloke bought > >> back the Papy codebase (or something like that) and there is hope > >> for a new masterpiece to rival GPL and N2003. > >> > >> 3) Live For Speed (LFS) is very promising and being developed in a > >> similar way to the Wests... only they have a product you can race > >> with and pay for in instalments as it develops. > >> http://www.liveforspeed.net/ > >> > >> 4) Other promising stuff is Netkar http://www.nkzone.com/ and, er... > >> another one I forget about. Memory like a seive. > >> > >> 5) The Simbin GTR sim looks like being the next Great Thing. Started > >> out as a mod for ISI's F1 sim. > >> enginehttp://www.bhmotorsports.com/awards/2/winners/208 > >> > >> 6) Er... some other stuff. GPL refused to die, mainly ;-) > >> http://55and65.speedgeezers.com/gpl65/ > >> > >> 7) RBR is well worth the price of entry. Great fun. > >> > >> That'll do. I'm sure some proper experts will be along any moment to > >> point out any glaring omissions. > >> > >> Glad your health has recovered enough for you to be able to take an > >> interest in this kind of thing again. Strokes can be really cruel, > >> at any age. > >> > > > > Thhanks for all the info. Yes, Ialready heard of (and tried) Netkar, > > which is a remarkable piece of code from a single guy ... > > > > So, I'm back on the track, even though i can only do it with my right > > hand and right foot (left side remained paralyzed). Okay, so driving > > around the Glen in GPL that way, i got down to 1:11.05 yesterday. > > Next goal: Taking another good 5 seconds off that time to reach my > > "before stroke" PB LOL > > > > Good to hear that Mr Kaemmer's genius seems to have survived > > Papy'decease then. Rally-wise, CMR2 is still the most fun for me. > > Can't wait for a DEMO of RBR, cause i don't yet have a DVD drive to > > install the full version. Oh well, maybe I'll try the warez to bridge > > a couple of weeks 'til i get one. > > > > > > > > And oh yeah! What's the full name of that thing that is refered to as > > "GTR" around gere? And is there a demo? > > > > > > Thanks again... > > > > Cheers! > > > > Cris > >

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> "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> schrieb im > Newsbeitrag > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <cionu0$801$02$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Cris > > Eichler) wrote: > > > > > But what else happened?

[snip] > And oh yeah! What's the full name of that thing that is refered to as "GTR" > around gere? And is there a demo? Glad to know that a sim racer can return to the fold :)... Andrew's post was very comphrensive - am I blind, or did he completely leave out EA's F1-2002 and F1 Championship 99-02 ;)? Good luck finding a new copy of F1C, but there are a bunch of really great mods for it already (PrototypeC, SCC, ETCC), with more to come - check out http://forums.rscnet.org for more info. GTR is the commercial followup to Simbin Development Team's great series of free FIA-GT mods for the EA F1 games - its the only reason I still have F1-2002 on my hard drive. There is a demo - sorry I don't have a link handy. It's only a Lister or Morgan that you can drive around Spa alone, but it's pretty top stuff. Best of luck! Kendt

Forgot to mention - my copy of RBR came on 2 CD's (in a DVD case) - I got it from gogamer.com. Sounds like that may be the version w/o the steering bug in replays. Kendt