Going to a T2 from a joystick

> I am very close to buying a T2 to play nascar/indycar with. I am coming > from a Ch flightstick...will playing NASCAR be like learning the game > over with? I don't drive..(I'm 14), and just curious as to how hard it > will be to learn the T2. I find it much easier to draft with the use of the pedals. This is especiall true at Dega, where you never want to lift on the gas. Insetad you can just tap the brake allwoing to to keep in the draft without ever lifting off the gas. The only real problem you might encounter is that you will find many of your setups to now be virtually undrivable. There is a flaw (or is it a feature) that lets joystick users run much looser setups than wheel/pedal users. Your setups will be extremely loose and will require alot of tweaking to make them once again comfortable to drive. Note: This has been fixed on Hawaii, so a given setup will respond the same regardless of input device. -- Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/ Hawaii Network UserName: Buschwick

I am very close to buying a T2 to play nascar/indycar with. I am coming from a Ch flightstick...will playing NASCAR be like learning the game over with? I don't drive..(I'm 14), and just curious as to how hard it will be to learn the T2. Raymond Loyola

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>Subject: Re: Going to a T2 from a joystick >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:15:32 GMT >>> I am very close to buying a T2 to play nascar/indycar with. I am coming >>> from a Ch flightstick...will playing NASCAR be like learning the game >>> over with? I don't drive..(I'm 14), and just curious as to how hard it >>> will be to learn the T2. >>I find it much easier to draft with the use of the pedals. This is >>especiall true at Dega, where you never want to lift on the gas. >>Insetad you can just tap the brake allwoing to to keep in the draft >>without ever lifting off the gas. >Hi Eric. Actually, if you draft this way, by braking instead of >lifting off the gas pedal, you'll never make 50 laps on 1 tank of gas. >It is possible to get 50 laps on 22 gallons if you draft the whole >time, but you need to get your mpg up over 6.00 consistently and the >only way to do so is by drafting. >Of course, few races at Dega go 50 laps under green, so this often >isn't a consideration, but you never know. >Bill.

Well, my tires never last more than 45-47 laps anyways, so it wouldn't help me..<g> ________ Eldred Pickett I am NOT paranoid. And why are you always watching me?!?

[snip, drafting and gas milage info]

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>Bill, >Well that's how it would work in the real world, but here in Sim-land >things don't look like they would be that easy. If you look at your >pedal calibration, pressing the brake seems to do exactly the same thing >as lifting off the gas does. When you press the gas pedal to the floor, >the pointer will quite obviously go to one side of the calibration >meter. Then when you lightly press the brake, it will cause the pointer >to shift back towards the center. If both pedals are fully depressed >the pointer will remain centered. It's effectively like neither is >being pressed (although for me it favors the brake a little).

[snip a little] This doesn't seem entirely correct to me Eric, I've also been using the brake while drafting, and the difference between doing that and easing up on the accelerator is astounding. Perhaps it's just a question of the amount of pressure relieved from the accelerator that is the key, but it's tough to judge, and if you lift once it takes awhile to get back up to speed. I think also that breaking while accelerating may bring the calibration pointer back towards center, along the lines of both pedals all the way to the max should even you out at center. Anyway, I'd be curious to find out more info on this, maybe we can get a response from some of the tech guys out there. Matt Myers --------------------------------------------- Expressing individualism is just plain wrong. Crow T. Robot

If you look at a calibration software, you can see that pressing both pedal will have the same output as pressing none. In other words, if you accelerate 100% and brake 30%, it is exactly the same as pressing the accelerator 70% JFD

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> > Hi Eric. Actually, if you draft this way, by braking instead of > > lifting off the gas pedal, you'll never make 50 laps on 1 tank of gas. > > It is possible to get 50 laps on 22 gallons if you draft the whole > > time, but you need to get your mpg up over 6.00 consistently and the > > only way to do so is by drafting. > Bill, > Well that's how it would work in the real world, but here in Sim-land > things don't look like they would be that easy. If you look at your > pedal calibration, pressing the brake seems to do exactly the same thing > as lifting off the gas does. When you press the gas pedal to the floor, > the pointer will quite obviously go to one side of the calibration > meter. Then when you lightly press the brake, it will cause the pointer > to shift back towards the center. If both pedals are fully depressed > the pointer will remain centered. It's effectively like neither is > being pressed (although for me it favors the brake a little). > Perhaps this is not how the pedals work during the race, but it seems > like they would to me. > --

Hold up...pointer? Calibration pointer? You lost me there...sorry.. RLoyola

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> > This doesn't seem entirely correct to me Eric, I've also been using > > the brake while drafting, and the difference between doing that and > > easing up on the accelerator is astounding. Perhaps it's just a > > question of the amount of pressure relieved from the accelerator that > > is the key, but it's tough to judge, and if you lift once it takes > > awhile to get back up to speed. I think also that breaking while > > accelerating may bring the calibration pointer back towards center, > > along the lines of both pedals all the way to the max should even you > > out at center. > > Anyway, I'd be curious to find out more info on this, maybe we can get > > a response from some of the tech guys out there. > > Matt Myers > If you look at a calibration software, you can see that pressing both > pedal will have the same output as pressing none. In other words, if you > accelerate 100% and brake 30%, it is exactly the same as pressing the > accelerator 70% > JFD

Does the T2 come with its own calibration software? Rloyola

> I am very close to buying a T2 to play nascar/indycar with. I am coming > from a Ch flightstick...will playing NASCAR be like learning the game > over with? I don't drive..(I'm 14), and just curious as to how hard it > will be to learn the T2. > Raymond Loyola Hi Raymond, I play GP2 with the T2 and I found it mouch easyer to control as with joystick. But maybe that's because I'm 30 ... Robin ------------------------------------------------------------------ flux GbR Noelte & Sch?nwald Tel.: (030) 859 32 02 Bennigsenstr. 11a Fax: (030) 859 99 33-1 http://www.flux-online.de ------------------------------------------------------------------

> Hold up...pointer? Calibration pointer? You lost me there...sorry.. Goto NASCAR's Options/Controls/Calibrate Joystick and you'll see what I'm talking about. -- Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/ Hawaii Network UserName: Buschwick