I havn't got a clue as to what you are talking about as for as "an incident". However I
believe in bump drafting because I can benifit from drafting when I can't get a good
line to pass.
I ran one race in daga were I was forth. The tird placer was good but I had a lot of
good runs comming off of turn two and when I caught up to him I had no place to pass
with out jurking the wheel and sending us both in the wall. Everytime i had that good
run I would -bop- the brake and bump the third placer and end up going 209 at the end of
the strait. By the 9th lap we had caught up to the first and second placers.
I dont think that we could have got that speed with out it. Maybe 207 tops.
MikeBa
Hawaii incidents and draft speeds at Talladega
Users asked what counts as an incident on Hawaii and how others reached 207 to 210 mph at Talladega. Answers said incidents are collisions with damage or spins, and high speeds came from 120-degree temperature settings that improve tyre grip without affecting AI cars. Discussion also covered whether to shift at short tracks.
Automated summary.
> > > What is an incident, hitting anything (wall or just another car), causing
> > > a spin? If anyone has the answer, I will thank you in advance/
> > > I've heard the bump drafting counts as an incident, is this true?
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I didn't realize this! I think that I read this or some thing like that in one of the
.txt files ???? Ill re-read and see.
Thanks
MikeBa
> > > run I would -bop- the brake and bump the third placer and end up going 209 at the end of
> > > the strait. By the 9th lap we had caught up to the first and second placers.
> > > I dont think that we could have got that speed with out it. Maybe 207 tops.
Unless an incredible tailwind is being used this smells like someone is
using a cheat here. In a close draft, bumping or no bumping, the
maximum speed you are going to get at Talladega is 202-203 mph on the
backstretch.
David_Martin
> Unless an incredible tailwind is being used this smells like someone is
> using a cheat here. In a close draft, bumping or no bumping, the
> maximum speed you are going to get at Talladega is 202-203 mph on the
> backstretch.
Turn the temp up to 120.
Chuck Stuart - Mesquite TX USA
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>> What is an incident, hitting anything (wall or just another car), causing >> a spin? If anyone has the answer, I will thank you in advance/ >> I've heard the bump drafting counts as an incident, is this true? >> Sean Higgins >> Higgy >I havn't got a clue as to what you are talking about as for as "an incident". However I >believe in bump drafting because I can benifit from drafting when I can't get a good >line to pass. > I ran one race in daga were I was forth. The tird placer was good but I had a lot of >good runs comming off of turn two and when I caught up to him I had no place to pass >with out jurking the wheel and sending us both in the wall. Everytime i had that good >run I would -bop- the brake and bump the third placer and end up going 209 at the end of >the strait. By the 9th lap we had caught up to the first and second placers. > I dont think that we could have got that speed with out it. Maybe 207 tops. >MikeBaQuoted text (21 lines)
> > What is an incident, hitting anything (wall or just another car), causing > > a spin? If anyone has the answer, I will thank you in advance/ > > I've heard the bump drafting counts as an incident, is this true? > > Sean Higgins > > Higgy > I havn't got a clue as to what you are talking about as for as "an incident". However I > believe in bump drafting because I can benifit from drafting when I can't get a good > line to pass. > I ran one race in daga were I was forth. The tird placer was good but I had a lot of > good runs comming off of turn two and when I caught up to him I had no place to pass > with out jurking the wheel and sending us both in the wall. Everytime i had that good > run I would -bop- the brake and bump the third placer and end up going 209 at the end of > the strait. By the 9th lap we had caught up to the first and second placers. > I dont think that we could have got that speed with out it. Maybe 207 tops. > MikeBaYES BUT everytime you bump draft you and the car that are bumping loose aQuoted text (8 lines)
> > Unless an incredible tailwind is being used this smells like someone is > > using a cheat here. In a close draft, bumping or no bumping, the > > maximum speed you are going to get at Talladega is 202-203 mph on the > > backstretch. > Turn the temp up to 120. > Chuck Stuart - Mesquite TX USAQuoted text (14 lines)
>Subject: Re: Hawaii question-incidents? >Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:44:57 -0400 >> > > run I would -bop- the brake and bump the third placer and end up going 209 at the end of >> > > the strait. By the 9th lap we had caught up to the first and second placers. >> > > I dont think that we could have got that speed with out it. Maybe 207 tops. >Unless an incredible tailwind is being used this smells like someone is >using a cheat here. In a close draft, bumping or no bumping, the >maximum speed you are going to get at Talladega is 202-203 mph on the >backstretch. >David_Martin>YES BUT everytime you bump draft you and the car that are bumping loose a
>point. everytime you hit something you loose a point. si if i go into
>turn 1 and spin and me and another car hits like 7 times we both loose 7
>points. it sucks but who knows?
You mean so if I get into a multicar wreck and as I am sitting at the
bottom of the track waiting for the car to stop spinning and I get smacked
around like a pinball that I lose points for every hit? That sucks.
Gene
> What is an incident, hitting anything (wall or just another car), causing
> a spin? If anyone has the answer, I will thank you in advance/
> I've heard the bump drafting counts as an incident, is this true?
Hawaii_help just told me that incidents were any collision with body damage, damaged
engine, or a 360 spin.
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Chuck Stuart - Mesquite A
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> > What is an incident, hitting anything (wall or just another car), causing > > a spin? If anyone has the answer, I will thank you in advance/ > > I've heard the bump drafting counts as an incident, is this true? > Hawaii_help just told me that incidents were any collision with body damage, damaged > engine, or a 360 spin. > -- > Chuck Stuart - Mesquite A> That makes sense, cause any kind of bump above the slightest tap will
> cause damage at 'dega.
Basically an incident is anything that would normally bring out a
yellow, even if the yellow flag option or damage is turned off.
--
Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences
Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/
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> >Subject: Re: Hawaii question-incidents? > >Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:44:57 -0400 > >> > > run I would -bop- the brake and bump the third placer and end up going 209 at the end of > >> > > the strait. By the 9th lap we had caught up to the first and second placers. > >> > > I dont think that we could have got that speed with out it. Maybe 207 tops. > >Unless an incredible tailwind is being used this smells like someone is > >using a cheat here. In a close draft, bumping or no bumping, the > >maximum speed you are going to get at Talladega is 202-203 mph on the > >backstretch. > >David_Martin > Well, I'm no leadfoot, but I've done 206 at the tail end of a 3-car > draft...Actually surprised myself, and we were quite pleased.writes:
up going 209 at the end of
Even with that ridiculous 120 degrees newbie setting, I've not seen
that type of speed??????
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>> >Subject: Re: Hawaii question-incidents? >> >Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:44:57 -0400 >> >> > > run I would -bop- the brake and bump the third placer and end> >Unless an incredible tailwind is being used this smells like someone is
> >using a cheat here. In a close draft, bumping or no bumping, the
> >maximum speed you are going to get at Talladega is 202-203 mph on the
> >backstretch.
If you can only get 203 after drafting, then you have to pick anather draft partner or
improve your lines.
I get 207-pluss- by taking T1 high and take a late apex for T2 heading almost into
the infield increasing my exit speed to about 192 to 193. I'll -JUST- grab the next
oponants draft and the two of us end up at the end of the strait at about 208ish.
I do get 203 out of the back strech while by my self doing this.
I DON'T USE ANY CHEATS!!
MikeBa
>Unless an incredible tailwind is being used this smells like someone is
>using a cheat here. In a close draft, bumping or no bumping, the
>maximum speed you are going to get at Talladega is 202-203 mph on the
>backstretch.
What kinda cheats are there???
And also, why does the temp effect speed so much? Air density goes
down? Therefore less drag?
Dave.
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>>Unless an incredible tailwind is being used this smells like someone is >>using a cheat here. In a close draft, bumping or no bumping, the >>maximum speed you are going to get at Talladega is 202-203 mph on the >>backstretch. > What kinda cheats are there??? > And also, why does the temp effect speed so much? Air density goes >down? Therefore less drag?I don't downshift at Martinsville or Bristol and I'm competitive. I
don't even downshift at Pocono, usually 4th fastest. I find that when I
try and run while shifting down in the corners, sometimes I forget to
shift up. :)
Sean Higgins
Higgy
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> >>Unless an incredible tailwind is being used this smells like someone is > >>using a cheat here. In a close draft, bumping or no bumping, the > >>maximum speed you are going to get at Talladega is 202-203 mph on the > >>backstretch. > > What kinda cheats are there??? > > And also, why does the temp effect speed so much? Air density goes > >down? Therefore less drag? > Dave. > Tire temps go up which improves traction. NASCAR doesn't model air density > or the times would actually go down due to reduced horsepower. > Less dense air = less oxidizer for combustion = lower engine output > Another complaint I have is that there's no penalty for shifting. WC > drivers only shift at 3 tracks once their up to track speed: Pocono, Sears > Point and Watkins Glen. In the sim, in order to be competitive at any of > the one mile ovals and short tracks, you have to downshift to 3rd to get > off the corners.Actually,
with the the wheather set on 120 and no wind, you can hit upwards of 210
or more with a 4th gear set at 3.4 using no cheats. So whoever it was
only hitting 202 -203 must be thinking of qualifing, most hit 202 in that
alone
Justin
IamRacer
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>Tire temps go up which improves traction. NASCAR doesn't model air density >or the times would actually go down due to reduced horsepower. > Less dense air = less oxidizer for combustion = lower engine output >Another complaint I have is that there's no penalty for shifting. WC >drivers only shift at 3 tracks once their up to track speed: Pocono, Sears >Point and Watkins Glen. In the sim, in order to be competitive at any of >the one mile ovals and short tracks, you have to downshift to 3rd to get >off the corners. >Dave "davids" Sparks >Late Nite League >http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.htmlQuoted text (7 lines)
>Well now, I don't shift at the "one mile" tracks. Is there a gain there?? I >shift at Pocono and the road courses though.. >I know that the WC boyz don't shift at the one milers either.. >times pls..I am just curious ..Since you shift.. >take care.. >Jdata> >Tire temps go up which improves traction. NASCAR doesn't model air density
> >or the times would actually go down due to reduced horsepower.
> > Less dense air = less oxidizer for combustion = lower engine output
The temperature doesn't affect the AI cars so with the temperature
cranked up to 120 at Taladega, I can start last in a 39 car field and
still finish first in a 5% race. Try it sometime.
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Chuck Stuart - Mesquite TX USA
