25.6 fps in SVGA in GRAND PRIX 2?

------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I just getting 16 fps in SVGA with recommend mode. My system is P5/100, 16M ram (not EDO), without Pipeline, S3 968 S430 2M display. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One of my friends getting 17.5 fps in SVGA with mostly all graphic on including the mirror (only except the "SKY" button), His system is P5/166, 64M EDO, 512K Pipeline, S3 Trio 64 V+ 2M display. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Very happy to see this topic. Because all of my friends here in Hong Kong are willing to upgrade their machines, enabling to play this game with all graphic on! Please try to inform the ultimate setup which can run more than 20fps in SVGA with most graphic on? BTW, Which graphic card can speed up the fps rate in GP2? ( Is the S3 Trio 64 better than Millennim MGA? How about 3D accelerator?) Looking for your valuable comment. Best regards, Ray Fung

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> >Very happy to see this topic. Because all of my friends here in Hong Kong are > >willing to upgrade their machines, enabling to play this game with all graphic > >on! Please try to inform the ultimate setup which can run more than 20fps in > >SVGA with most graphic on? > >BTW, Which graphic card can speed up the fps rate in GP2? > >( Is the S3 Trio 64 better than Millennim MGA? How about 3D accelerator?) > >Looking for your valuable comment. > Millennium should perform as well as S3. I've wrote this in my other > posts but most PCI cards make no difference in the performance of GP2. > ATI Mach64 is reported to be slow in DOS but I'm not really sure. GP2 > does not support any 3D accelerators.

I don't think it even supports any 2D accelerators. Since the game is forced to use standard VGA or VESA instructions (unlike windows drivers) advanced GFX accelerator hardware is useless. Fast video mem and a fast bus should make a big difference though (I guess). /Linus Girdland

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>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> I don't know specific, but on my P133 with diamond 64 2Mb vram and 32 mb >>> fast page ram I get around 16F/s with 85% detail in SVGA, so I think you >>> need P166, 32Mb edo and try the S3 trio 64 chip it should be very fast >>> under dos >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>I am getting 25 fps in SVGA with most graphics off, but I prefer this for >>better frame rate. My system is a cyrix 120/P150+, 32 meg edo ram, ati >>mach 64 2 meg, 512 k pipeline burst cache. I play from dos. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >I just getting 16 fps in SVGA with recommend mode. My system is P5/100, 16M ram >(not EDO), without Pipeline, S3 968 S430 2M display. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >One of my friends getting 17.5 fps in SVGA with mostly all graphic on including >the mirror (only except the "SKY" button), His system is P5/166, 64M EDO, 512K >Pipeline, S3 Trio 64 V+ 2M display. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Very happy to see this topic. Because all of my friends here in Hong Kong are >willing to upgrade their machines, enabling to play this game with all graphic >on! Please try to inform the ultimate setup which can run more than 20fps in >SVGA with most graphic on? >BTW, Which graphic card can speed up the fps rate in GP2? >( Is the S3 Trio 64 better than Millennim MGA? How about 3D accelerator?) >Looking for your valuable comment. >Best regards, >Ray Fung

Microprose themselves (via e-mail) told me that the ATI Mach 64 was no good for GP2. They recommended any of the new cards by Diamond or Matrox. My guess is, though, that the video card is not going to make a great deal of difference. A big boost in processor power probably will. Just in passing, make sure, if you are not already doing this, that you set the actual frame-rate a couple of clicks below the estimated rate. This really does improve things. Any frame-rate of 15 or over is pretty good and if the program says it will run at 17 or 18 then set it at 15. Cheers, Andrew

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>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> I don't know specific, but on my P133 with diamond 64 2Mb vram and 32 mb >>>> fast page ram I get around 16F/s with 85% detail in SVGA, so I think you >>>> need P166, 32Mb edo and try the S3 trio 64 chip it should be very fast >>>> under dos >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>I am getting 25 fps in SVGA with most graphics off, but I prefer this for >>>better frame rate. My system is a cyrix 120/P150+, 32 meg edo ram, ati >>>mach 64 2 meg, 512 k pipeline burst cache. I play from dos. >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>I just getting 16 fps in SVGA with recommend mode. My system is P5/100, 16M ram >>(not EDO), without Pipeline, S3 968 S430 2M display. >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>One of my friends getting 17.5 fps in SVGA with mostly all graphic on including >>the mirror (only except the "SKY" button), His system is P5/166, 64M EDO, 512K >>Pipeline, S3 Trio 64 V+ 2M display. >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Very happy to see this topic. Because all of my friends here in Hong Kong are >>willing to upgrade their machines, enabling to play this game with all graphic >>on! Please try to inform the ultimate setup which can run more than 20fps in >>SVGA with most graphic on?

_____________________________________________________________________________ Iam getting 18.2 fps in SVGA with all graphics on including mirror with the SKY textures off my system is a Gateway P5/166, 512 Pipeline Burst cache 16MB EDO and A Matrox Millennim MGA w/2MB Harry _____________________________________________________________________________

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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> I don't know specific, but on my P133 with diamond 64 2Mb vram and 32 mb > >> fast page ram I get around 16F/s with 85% detail in SVGA, so I think you > >> need P166, 32Mb edo and try the S3 trio 64 chip it should be very fast > >> under dos > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >I am getting 25 fps in SVGA with most graphics off, but I prefer this for > >better frame rate. My system is a cyrix 120/P150+, 32 meg edo ram, ati > >mach 64 2 meg, 512 k pipeline burst cache. I play from dos. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I just getting 16 fps in SVGA with recommend mode. My system is P5/100, 16M ram > (not EDO), without Pipeline, S3 968 S430 2M display. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > One of my friends getting 17.5 fps in SVGA with mostly all graphic on including > the mirror (only except the "SKY" button), His system is P5/166, 64M EDO, 512K > Pipeline, S3 Trio 64 V+ 2M display. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Very happy to see this topic. Because all of my friends here in Hong Kong are > willing to upgrade their machines, enabling to play this game with all graphic > on! Please try to inform the ultimate setup which can run more than 20fps in > SVGA with most graphic on? > BTW, Which graphic card can speed up the fps rate in GP2? > ( Is the S3 Trio 64 better than Millennim MGA? How about 3D accelerator?) > Looking for your valuable comment. > Best regards, > Ray Fung

Undoubtedly the best setup is a Pentium Pro 200 with Intel Natoma chipset (440 FX). I run with all details and objects on in the forward view except sky, and smoke in the mirrors, and it is super smooth at 18.2 fps (eg, I can get an occupancy of 50% on some tracks during a race). At the start of the quick race (ie, Italy, position 6, before the light goes green) with these details the occupancy is 92%. My machine also does 81.1 on Chris Dial's 3D bench. However, if you are going to get a Pentium Pro you probably should avoid the matrox millenium as apparently it is incompatible with FASTVID using the banked VGA write combining feature. Therefore, a fix needs to be applied which slows down its speed. I use a Hercules Stingray 64/Video successfully with the banked VGA mechanism and it is also possibly a bit faster than a Matrox. Alternatively, the new ET6000 chipset (eg, Hercules Dynamite 128) is supposed to be faster, but you will have to find out from someone else if it can enable the banked VGA write combining successfully without the slow down.

>Undoubtedly the best setup is a Pentium Pro 200 with Intel Natoma chipset (440 FX). I run with all details >and objects on in the forward view except sky, and smoke in the mirrors, and it is super smooth at 18.2 >fps (eg, I can get an occupancy of 50% on some tracks during a race). At the start of the quick race >(ie, Italy, position 6, before the light goes green) with these details the occupancy is 92%. My machine >also does 81.1 on Chris Dial's 3D bench. Why don't you try Monaco from the last position? At the start of the race and into the 1st corner, chek your processor occupancy. I'd be interested to see which textures you had to turn off in order to stay under 100% PO or close to it. This is not entirely true. If you disable the USWC Write Posting (or Combining?), fastvid works on a Millenium. It seems that if you don't, you'll get a system hang when the game tries to access your sound card using the DMA channels. Chris' 3D benchmark gives me 77.9. Later, =========================================================== Alex Fernandez MTS Lucent Technologies No. Andover, MA email: tel: (508)960-6510 ===========================================================