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I'm doing a story on computer gaming accessories and I want to write about the best, fanciest, most expensive racing wheels on the market. So I figured I'd ask you guys. Which of these products do you consider the best? What companies should I be talking to? While I'm at it, would any of you be interested in letting me interview you for my story? I'd want to include your name, age, occupation and the community where you live. Just drop me a line if you're interested. I hope to hear from you soon. Thanks. Hiawatha Bray Technology Reporter Boston Globe 135 Morrissey Blvd. P.O. Box 55819 Boston, MA 02205-5819 USA 617-929-3119 voice 617-929-3183 fax [email hidden] [email hidden] Blog: www.monitortan.com Recent writings: www.boston.com/business/technology/bray -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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> I'm doing a story on computer gaming accessories and I want to write > about the best, fanciest, most expensive racing wheels on the market. > So I figured I'd ask you guys. Which of these products do you > consider the best? What companies should I be talking to? > > While I'm at it, would any of you be interested in letting me > interview you for my story? I'd want to include your name, age, > occupation and the community where you live. Just drop me a line if > you're interested. > > I hope to hear from you soon. Thanks. > > Hiawatha Bray > Technology Reporter > Boston Globe > 135 Morrissey Blvd. > P.O. Box 55819 > Boston, MA 02205-5819 USA > 617-929-3119 voice > 617-929-3183 fax > [email hidden] > [email hidden] > Blog: www.monitortan.com > Recent writings: www.boston.com/business/technology/bray

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> I'm doing a story on computer gaming accessories and I want to write > about the best, fanciest, most expensive racing wheels on the market. > So I figured I'd ask you guys. Which of these products do you consider > the best? What companies should I be talking to? > > While I'm at it, would any of you be interested in letting me interview > you for my story? I'd want to include your name, age, occupation and > the community where you live. Just drop me a line if you're interested. > > I hope to hear from you soon. Thanks. > > Hiawatha Bray > Technology Reporter > Boston Globe > 135 Morrissey Blvd. > P.O. Box 55819 > Boston, MA 02205-5819 USA > 617-929-3119 voice > 617-929-3183 fax > [email hidden] > [email hidden] > Blog: www.monitortan.com > Recent writings: www.boston.com/business/technology/bray

www.thomas-superwheel.com (my personal wheel at this time, an old TSW2 Cup upgraded to USB, total investment, a tad over $600 (other upgrades added as well as USB) http://ecci6000.com/consumerhome.htm (ECCI, my next wheel if I ever decide to get another one, which I doubt. TSW is decent enough IMO) http://www.interactiveracing.com (BRD, another big player in big time, expensive racing wheels) Of these 3, I think only BRD offers a Force Feedback unit, which is no biggie to the hardcore racer, but thought I would throw that out there. ECCI has some sort of fluid dampening system that isn't FF, but is pretty smooth from what I hear in the community. Seeing as each of these companies has a wheel/pedal combo or several, that can set one back a thousand bucks or more, I think they fit your request for expensive racing wheels out today. Good luck. remove NOSPAM@ to reply via email

Hiawatha, didn't you go thru (or rather, put us thru) this exercise just a few months ago? "Hiawatha Bray" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I'm doing a story on computer gaming accessories and I want to write > about the best, fanciest, most expensive racing wheels on the market. > So I figured I'd ask you guys. Which of these products do you consider > the best? What companies should I be talking to? > > While I'm at it, would any of you be interested in letting me interview > you for my story? I'd want to include your name, age, occupation and > the community where you live. Just drop me a line if you're interested. > > I hope to hear from you soon. Thanks. > > Hiawatha Bray > Technology Reporter > Boston Globe > 135 Morrissey Blvd. > P.O. Box 55819 > Boston, MA 02205-5819 USA > 617-929-3119 voice > 617-929-3183 fax > [email hidden] > [email hidden] > Blog: www.monitortan.com > Recent writings: www.boston.com/business/technology/bray > > > -- > Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

Heavens no! That was a different piece, the one about NASCAR sim software. This time, I'm writing about hardware. I like to change things up now and again...:-) "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GEhHc.22123$[email hidden] > Hiawatha, didn't you go thru (or rather, put us thru) this exercise just a > few months ago? > -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

This is most informative. Care to be interviewed for my story? "SimRacer" <nospam@[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%hhHc.140701$[email hidden] > > > www.thomas-superwheel.com (my personal wheel at this time, an old TSW2 Cup > upgraded to USB, total investment, a tad over $600 (other upgrades added as > well as USB) > -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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> I'm doing a story on computer gaming accessories and I want to write > about the best, fanciest, most expensive racing wheels on the market. > So I figured I'd ask you guys. Which of these products do you consider > the best? What companies should I be talking to? > > While I'm at it, would any of you be interested in letting me interview > you for my story? I'd want to include your name, age, occupation and > the community where you live. Just drop me a line if you're interested. > > I hope to hear from you soon. Thanks. > > Hiawatha Bray > Technology Reporter > Boston Globe > 135 Morrissey Blvd. > P.O. Box 55819 > Boston, MA 02205-5819 USA > 617-929-3119 voice > 617-929-3183 fax > [email hidden] > [email hidden] > Blog: www.monitortan.com > Recent writings: www.boston.com/business/technology/bray > > > -- > Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

Danger Will Robinson !

I would interject here, that Pricey almost never equates itself to best, only status.... look at real world stuff, the Hummer doesn't do anything extremely well, or better than the rest except separate your wallet from the cash... and of course advertise a 'status'... I still say, and many would support this statement, that there almost was never a better wheel made, let alone for the money, than the Microsoft sidewinder. especially the FF wheel. Sure half of people out there say FF is not "" you fill in the quotes nicely enough, but I can preemptively say that FF with good or decent game support, is awesome. 2 reasons I like the sidewinders... Please note I could buy any wheel out there, even if I wanted one this week, so Im not just spouting off to justify my purchase I made, what over 3 years ago? 1. durable, now caveat here, the USB version is the ONLY version that works with XP/2000 (newest MS offerings in operating systems) and I don't think there was a Mac version... I am a big guy, 230 and I have tortured the pedals, on one occasion, in a fit, I tried to jump up and down on them to bust them all to hell... still use these... 2. Precise and inexpensive.There is no "potentiometer" involved, in the wheel, so the movement (or game input) is precise and never loses calibration nor does it spike. now I have only tried all the Thrust-Crapper products, and tried the Logitech momo... and the things just aren't durable, and in the momo's case, half the time I cant get the games to use it. note: some don't like the small diameter wheel, the grips and what not... or the pedals, I cant argue too hard against that, but they do work well with what 90% of us gamers use it with, a desk and a desk chair, better than anything I have seen... I too would kill to get the guys at ECCI to build me some USB only pedals, only the ones from the 6000's they make, with a clutch... AND!!! it would be nicer if I could get them to make the pedals work with the MS wheel like they did those ugly tractor pedals (cds3000 pedals I think they were) they sold a while back... so that all games would see them, not just the good ones (papy! thank friggin gawd that they got this right, way way back when...) (I almost got them tractor pedal ones (but there was no clutch so why bother, & I was married at the time, LOL)... ooooops I got to go... sting32 Hiawatha Bray wrote:

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> Heavens no! That was a different piece, the one about NASCAR sim > software. This time, I'm writing about hardware. > > I like to change things up now and again...:-) > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:GEhHc.22123$[email hidden] >> Hiawatha, didn't you go thru (or rather, put us thru) this exercise >> just a few months ago?

The ECCI gear is the priciest AND the best. Period. (If you can live without FF.) The Sidewinder was a pretty good wheel...if you didn't mind the grotty bearings (for FF, most pros favor the Ol' Red LWMFF--particularly with the ball-bearing conversion--or the later black-rim Momo), but it falls down where so many low-end controllers do: flimsy, imprecise pedals. In the old days (of IndyCar Racing, say), when you couldn't lock up the brakes, it didn't matter. Nowadays, if you want to perfect "threshold" braking, you need limited-production pedals (TSW, BRD, or the pricey-but-also-worth-it Frex models). In general, The Right Stuff in computer gaming hardware is worth what you have to pay to get it: Athlon 64s, 3.4-MHz Pentiums, Asus mobos, Corsair RAM, ATI X800s, NEC-Mitsu monitors, Audigy sound cards, Klipsch speakers, and a Herman Miller Aeron chair to park your butt while you play with it all. BTW, the RW Hummer does one thing extremely well: survives on the battlefield (read "Black Hawk Down"). Of course, it could use better armour...but couldn't we all? "Plowboy2" <stingre.removethis_@yahoo!.removeit> wrote in message news:1vjHc.60962$rn1.3675@okepread07... > I would interject here, that Pricey almost never equates itself to best, > only status.... look at real world stuff, the Hummer doesn't do anything > extremely well, or better than the rest except separate your wallet fromthe > cash... and of course advertise a 'status'... > > I still say, and many would support this statement, that there almost was > never a better wheel made, let alone for the money, than the Microsoft > sidewinder. especially the FF wheel. Sure half of people out there sayFF

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> is not "" you fill in the quotes nicely enough, but I can preemptively say > that FF with good or decent game support, is awesome. > > 2 reasons I like the sidewinders... Please note I could buy any wheel out > there, even if I wanted one this week, so Im not just spouting off to > justify my purchase I made, what over 3 years ago? > > 1. durable, now caveat here, the USB version is the ONLY version that

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> with XP/2000 (newest MS offerings in operating systems) and I don't think > there was a Mac version... I am a big guy, 230 and I have tortured the > pedals, on one occasion, in a fit, I tried to jump up and down on them to > bust them all to hell... still use these... > > 2. Precise and inexpensive.There is no "potentiometer" involved, in the > wheel, so the movement (or game input) is precise and never loses > calibration nor does it spike. now I have only tried all the

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> products, and tried the Logitech momo... and the things just aren't > durable, and in the momo's case, half the time I cant get the games to use > it. > > note: some don't like the small diameter wheel, the grips and what not... > or the pedals, I cant argue too hard against that, but they do work well > with what 90% of us gamers use it with, a desk and a desk chair, better

than > anything I have seen... > > I too would kill to get the guys at ECCI to build me some USB onlypedals, > only the ones from the 6000's they make, with a clutch... AND!!! it would > be nicer if I could get them to make the pedals work with the MS wheellike > they did those ugly tractor pedals (cds3000 pedals I think they were) they > sold a while back... so that all games would see them, not just the good > ones (papy! thank friggin gawd that they got this right, way way back > when...) (I almost got them tractor pedal ones (but there was no clutchso

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> why bother, & I was married at the time, LOL)... > > ooooops I got to go... > > sting32 > > Hiawatha Bray wrote: > > Heavens no! That was a different piece, the one about NASCAR sim > > software. This time, I'm writing about hardware. > > > > I like to change things up now and again...:-) > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:GEhHc.22123$[email hidden] > >> Hiawatha, didn't you go thru (or rather, put us thru) this exercise > >> just a few months ago? > >

Not sure if you remember me or not Hiawatha but you did a piece on highend controllers about 7 years ago I think. You came to NY and took a look at my ECCI CDS2. ECCI is still one of the premier companies. I can put you in touch with Andy Cers or John Pribble if you don't already have his email address. I beleive they monitor this group as well. "Hiawatha Bray" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I'm doing a story on computer gaming accessories and I want to write > about the best, fanciest, most expensive racing wheels on the market. > So I figured I'd ask you guys. Which of these products do you consider > the best? What companies should I be talking to? > > While I'm at it, would any of you be interested in letting me interview > you for my story? I'd want to include your name, age, occupation and > the community where you live. Just drop me a line if you're interested. > > I hope to hear from you soon. Thanks. > > Hiawatha Bray > Technology Reporter > Boston Globe > 135 Morrissey Blvd. > P.O. Box 55819 > Boston, MA 02205-5819 USA > 617-929-3119 voice > 617-929-3183 fax > [email hidden] > [email hidden] > Blog: www.monitortan.com > Recent writings: www.boston.com/business/technology/bray > > > -- > Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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> I'm doing a story on computer gaming accessories and I want to write > about the best, fanciest, most expensive racing wheels on the market. > So I figured I'd ask you guys. Which of these products do you consider > the best? What companies should I be talking to? > > While I'm at it, would any of you be interested in letting me interview > you for my story? I'd want to include your name, age, occupation and > the community where you live. Just drop me a line if you're interested. > > I hope to hear from you soon. Thanks. > > Hiawatha Bray > Technology Reporter > Boston Globe > 135 Morrissey Blvd. > P.O. Box 55819 > Boston, MA 02205-5819 USA > 617-929-3119 voice > 617-929-3183 fax > [email hidden] > [email hidden] > Blog: www.monitortan.com > Recent writings: www.boston.com/business/technology/bray > >

Do you ever do real research or interviews or do you just always steal from newsgroups?

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 23:48:21 GMT, Steve Smith wrote: > BTW, the RW Hummer does one thing extremely well: survives on the > battlefield (read "Black Hawk Down"). There's two other things is does extremely well: Looking butt-ugly and burning ridiculous amounts of fuel as soon as you even think of turning the ignition key 8-P Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Duff Man wrote: ... > Do you ever do real research or interviews or do you just always steal from > newsgroups? To me he seems to be doing real research and interviews in this newsgroup, which seems to be the intelligent way of preparing an article about this topic as in this NG he'll find the knowledgeable people. Why do you call that stealing? Achim

The best if you have the money http://www.hyperstimulator.com/ If not, Logitech Momo Force wheel and Redline Race Control pedals http://www.wave.co.nz/~lakewood/Redline2.htm the best pedals there are :) Sid. "Hiawatha Bray" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I'm doing a story on computer gaming accessories and I want to write > about the best, fanciest, most expensive racing wheels on the market. > So I figured I'd ask you guys. Which of these products do you consider > the best? What companies should I be talking to? > > While I'm at it, would any of you be interested in letting me interview > you for my story? I'd want to include your name, age, occupation and > the community where you live. Just drop me a line if you're interested. > > I hope to hear from you soon. Thanks. > > Hiawatha Bray > Technology Reporter > Boston Globe > 135 Morrissey Blvd. > P.O. Box 55819 > Boston, MA 02205-5819 USA > 617-929-3119 voice > 617-929-3183 fax > [email hidden] > [email hidden] > Blog: www.monitortan.com > Recent writings: www.boston.com/business/technology/bray > > > -- > Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 17:38:03 +0000 (UTC), "Hiawatha Bray" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I'm doing a story on computer gaming accessories and I want to write >about the best, fanciest, most expensive racing wheels on the market. >So I figured I'd ask you guys. Which of these products do you consider >the best? What companies should I be talking to? Dunno if it's the best, but it's sure pricey and fancy <g> http://www.interactiveracing.com/Car_Simulators/lotus_49/ Cheers! Remco

Hiawatha Bray wrote: > I'm doing a story on computer gaming accessories and I want to write > about the best, fanciest, most expensive racing wheels on the market. > So I figured I'd ask you guys. Which of these products do you consider > the best? What companies should I be talking to? The best Force Feedback wheel is probably the Logitech Wingman Formula Force, equipped with Jens Schumachers ball bearing kit. This is Jens' site: http://jensschumi.tripod.com/LogiCorner.htm The LWFF was built some six years ago and I'm still using it (I've purchased several used ones to get spare parts). It is not being built anymore, but it is so good that I've tested all the mainstream FF wheels, and none equalled the old LWFF. I'm combining this wheel with ECCI's E3000 pedals, nicknamed tractor pedals :) but when I used them, they certainly become a very fast tractor :) Not sure if this is interesting for you as well as it's the opposite of fancy and new, but maybe you'd like to get a view at the other end of the spectrum as well (trusty old custom gear...) Achim

Butt ugly, yes. (There's no reason this kind of vehicle can't look great - does anybody remember the Lamborghini Panther?). A Diesel version would burn a lot less fuel, since these dealies (at least in the military) spend most of their time idling...when Diesels merely sip fuel. I'm no defender of the Hummer...if you mean the military version. (I drove the pickup-based H2 the other day; it's quite nice.) I have been such a strong critic of our military hardware - like the M16 (unreliable and unlethal), the Abrams (maintenance and logistics probs), the Osprey (doesn't work), the Humvee (too big for CQB in rubble-filled urban areas), the F-22 (we shoulda picked the F-23, which was optimized for asymmetrical warfare), the Crusader (we shoulda gone w. Gerry Bull's arty pieces), the Stryker (the S. Africans make much better wheeled APCs ), and the Bradley (like the pocket battleship, it falls between the 2 stools of 'outrun what it can't outgun...and v.v.') - that I was for years Car and Driver magazine's Military Affairs Editor (I still have a drawerful of biz cards). "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 23:48:21 GMT, Steve Smith wrote: > > > BTW, the RW Hummer does one thing extremely well: survives on the > > battlefield (read "Black Hawk Down"). > > There's two other things is does extremely well: Looking butt-ugly and > burning ridiculous amounts of fuel as soon as you even think of > turning the ignition key 8-P > > > Cheers, uwe > > -- > mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

He asked for our help, numbnuts. "Duff Man" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Hiawatha Bray" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I'm doing a story on computer gaming accessories and I want to write > > about the best, fanciest, most expensive racing wheels on the market. > > So I figured I'd ask you guys. Which of these products do you consider > > the best? What companies should I be talking to? > > > > While I'm at it, would any of you be interested in letting me interview > > you for my story? I'd want to include your name, age, occupation and > > the community where you live. Just drop me a line if you're interested. > > > > I hope to hear from you soon. Thanks. > > > > Hiawatha Bray > > Technology Reporter > > Boston Globe > > 135 Morrissey Blvd. > > P.O. Box 55819 > > Boston, MA 02205-5819 USA > > 617-929-3119 voice > > 617-929-3183 fax > > [email hidden] > > [email hidden] > > Blog: www.monitortan.com > > Recent writings: www.boston.com/business/technology/bray > > > > > > Do you ever do real research or interviews or do you just always steal

from > newsgroups? > >

Just realize the MOMO Force(good) and MOMO Racing(average) are two different wheels. "Hiawatha Bray" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I'm doing a story on computer gaming accessories and I want to write > about the best, fanciest, most expensive racing wheels on the market. > So I figured I'd ask you guys. Which of these products do you consider > the best? What companies should I be talking to? > > While I'm at it, would any of you be interested in letting me interview > you for my story? I'd want to include your name, age, occupation and > the community where you live. Just drop me a line if you're interested. > > I hope to hear from you soon. Thanks. > > Hiawatha Bray > Technology Reporter > Boston Globe > 135 Morrissey Blvd. > P.O. Box 55819 > Boston, MA 02205-5819 USA > 617-929-3119 voice > 617-929-3183 fax > [email hidden] > [email hidden] > Blog: www.monitortan.com > Recent writings: www.boston.com/business/technology/bray > > > -- > Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Duff Man wrote: > ... > > Do you ever do real research or interviews or do you just always stealfrom

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> > newsgroups? > > To me he seems to be doing real research and interviews in this > newsgroup, which seems to be the intelligent way of preparing an article > about this topic as in this NG he'll find the knowledgeable people. > > Why do you call that stealing? > > Achim

Because day one of journalism school you are taught that newsgroup research/online interviews/e-mail interviews are only to be used in worst-case scenarios...

This is wonderful stuff...thanks much. By the way, I keep seeing the word Momo being used. What the heck is a Momo? Thanks again! "fredrickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aHwHc.32456$[email hidden] > Just realize the MOMO Force(good) and MOMO Racing(average) are two different > wheels. > > -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

Hiawatha Bray wrote: > > This is wonderful stuff...thanks much. > > By the way, I keep seeing the word Momo being used. What the heck is a > Momo? Momo is an Italian company that makes actual race car steering wheels (among other things.) They have licensed their name to Logitech for sim steering wheels. http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=13,CONTENTID=6030 bp

Momo is an acronym (?) for Moretti Motors, a racing outfit in Italy run by Gianpiero (?) Moretti, a former racer. Among other enterprises, Momo makes steering wheels for real race cars, like Formula One Ferraris. Logitech (a Swiss peripherals maker) licensed the name for a pair of FF (force-feedback) wheels, referenced above by Achim Trensz: the first one, the Momo Force (an excellent wheel) was replaced with the Momo Racing (mmm, not so good, as Jon Stewart would say). The Momo series was preceded by the LWMFF wheels (Logitech Wingman Formula Force; the "Wingman" reference is to their line of flight-sim joysticks), which likewise came in two variants, the better one was again the first one (dubbed 'Ol Red' by us netizens 'cuz of its red-rubber rim) and the later, lesser version, which had a yellow rim. As I mentioned earlier, the Ol' Red wheels are the most beloved of all the commercial FF products, especially when equipped with the ball-bearing modification created by Jens Schumi (the stock bearing had a grungy sleeve bearing which made it feel more like a pepper grinder than a racing car). Here's a clip of the Momo Force from an Italian site: www.amr.es/.../premiados/ rec_momoforce-pcw.htm Here's a piccy of the Momo Racing from a Finnish site: www.skenegroup.net/ fi/artikkelit/MOMO_racing "Hiawatha Bray" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> This is wonderful stuff...thanks much. > > By the way, I keep seeing the word Momo being used. What the heck is a > Momo? > > Thanks again! > > > > "fredrickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aHwHc.32456$[email hidden] > > Just realize the MOMO Force(good) and MOMO Racing(average) are two

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> > > Hiawatha Bray wrote: > > > > This is wonderful stuff...thanks much. > > > > By the way, I keep seeing the word Momo being used. What the heck is a > > Momo? > > Momo is an Italian company that makes actual race car steering wheels > (among other things.) > > They have licensed their name to Logitech for sim steering wheels. > >

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=13,CONTENTID=6 030 > > bp And, Momos are still available on Dave Thomas's wheels over at TSW as well. http://www.thomas-superwheel.com/prods.html scroll to the bottom, they apparently still offer 4 models.

Hmmmn, neither of those sites seem to be responding positively (I used Google). If you have trouble finding images of either or both Momos, lemme know. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hNBHc.44982$[email hidden]... > Momo is an acronym (?) for Moretti Motors, a racing outfit in Italy run by > Gianpiero (?) Moretti, a former racer. Among other enterprises, Momomakes > steering wheels for real race cars, like Formula One Ferraris. Logitech(a > Swiss peripherals maker) licensed the name for a pair of FF(force-feedback) > wheels, referenced above by Achim Trensz: the first one, the Momo Force(an > excellent wheel) was replaced with the Momo Racing (mmm, not so good, asJon > Stewart would say). The Momo series was preceded by the LWMFF wheels > (Logitech Wingman Formula Force; the "Wingman" reference is to their lineof > flight-sim joysticks), which likewise came in two variants, the better one > was again the first one (dubbed 'Ol Red' by us netizens 'cuz of its > red-rubber rim) and the later, lesser version, which had a yellow rim. AsI

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> mentioned earlier, the Ol' Red wheels are the most beloved of all the > commercial FF products, especially when equipped with the ball-bearing > modification created by Jens Schumi (the stock bearing had a grungy sleeve > bearing which made it feel more like a pepper grinder than a racing car). > > Here's a clip of the Momo Force from an Italian site: > > www.amr.es/.../premiados/ rec_momoforce-pcw.htm > > Here's a piccy of the Momo Racing from a Finnish site: > > www.skenegroup.net/ fi/artikkelit/MOMO_racing > > "Hiawatha Bray" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > This is wonderful stuff...thanks much. > > > > By the way, I keep seeing the word Momo being used. What the heck is a > > Momo? > > > > Thanks again! > > > > > > > > "fredrickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:aHwHc.32456$[email hidden] > > > Just realize the MOMO Force(good) and MOMO Racing(average) are two > different > > > wheels. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG > >

LOL steve, I certainly didnt think the "military" version was jett black with 10k more bucks in wheels & accessories, carrying the 5'10" blonde bombshell neighbor, to the grocerie store... So how it would last in battle.... any longer than my Blazer? but maybe there is a study on this that you are basing this on? <j/k> LOL Diesels... love em or hate em, they are loud sob's and everytime I hear one go by near my house, I instantly think "oh Sh*t!! The trash!!!" This is reflex because a few times, I just woke up hearing the trash truck ambling down the street, me knowing full well ours was not at the curb! Steve Smith wrote:

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> Butt ugly, yes. (There's no reason this kind of vehicle can't look > great - does anybody remember the Lamborghini Panther?). A Diesel > version would burn a lot less fuel, since these dealies (at least in > the military) spend most of their time idling...when Diesels merely > sip fuel. > > I'm no defender of the Hummer...if you mean the military version. (I > drove the pickup-based H2 the other day; it's quite nice.) I have > been such a strong critic of our military hardware - like the M16 > (unreliable and unlethal), the Abrams (maintenance and logistics > probs), the Osprey (doesn't work), the Humvee (too big for CQB in > rubble-filled urban areas), the F-22 (we shoulda picked the F-23, > which was optimized for asymmetrical warfare), the Crusader (we > shoulda gone w. Gerry Bull's arty pieces), the Stryker (the S. > Africans make much better wheeled APCs ), and the Bradley (like the > pocket battleship, it falls between the 2 stools of 'outrun what it > can't outgun...and v.v.') - that I was for years Car and Driver > magazine's Military Affairs Editor (I still have a drawerful of biz > cards). > > "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 23:48:21 GMT, Steve Smith wrote: >> >>> BTW, the RW Hummer does one thing extremely well: survives on the >>> battlefield (read "Black Hawk Down"). >> >> There's two other things is does extremely well: Looking butt-ugly >> and burning ridiculous amounts of fuel as soon as you even think of >> turning the ignition key 8-P >> >> >> Cheers, uwe >> >> -- >> mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) >> Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ >> Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) >> GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Half my post was not typed... hence the brevity... <j/k> Still high priced (yes I say ecci is over priced, still damn good units I keep hearing.) But the facts are... Hell look at JR (Dale Earnhardt that is) he didnt go Ecci, last I knew he had the "modest" Thomas-Super-Wheel... So unless they "gave him one" as loss leader, (even still what does he use, in pics I keeps seeing TSW's) so that means volumes to me, that is with me thinking the guy could afford anything, just likes his Thomas wheel... If Ecci took off 35% price cut, they would sell them enough to have to hire 20 guys around the clock to build em, I would bet. that is the last of my .02. sting32 (plowboy) Steve Smith wrote: > The ECCI gear is the priciest AND the best. Period. (If you can live > without FF.) >Snipped politeley but still I top posted... LOL

Hiawatha Bray wrote: > This is wonderful stuff...thanks much. > > By the way, I keep seeing the word Momo being used. What the heck is a > Momo? > > Thanks again! If you're talking about gaming accessories, are you aware of all the artwork that's being produced for free for these games by enthusiats? In the case of racing games, it's mainly cars and tracks. Especially for Nascar Racing 2003. I'm not sure how much you are into this, but if you are interested, the cars at this site should wet your appetite :) http://www.frank.nascarstation.de/tptcc/Frankspaint2003_TPTCC.htm Select one of the car pages and have a look at the beauties :) There are also add-on tracks being made. There's no site with images of all tracks, but at least the list at this site http://www.simracingconnection.com/nascar/n2k3tracks.shtml (click on the link 'Tracks for Nascar 2003' on the left) will give you an idea of how creative these people are. Achim

> red-rubber rim) and the later, lesser version, which had a yellow rim. AsI > mentioned earlier, the Ol' Red wheels are the most beloved of all the > commercial FF products, especially when equipped with the ball-bearing > modification created by Jens Schumi (the stock bearing had a grungy sleeve > bearing which made it feel more like a pepper grinder than a racing car). I've got an Ol' Red and am curious about the cost/availability of the bearing mod. Pepper grinder is a perfect description of its feel. Do you have a link for this? -John

Yeah, it was a little "study" called the Battle of Mogadishu. If yer spending more time ogling 5'10" bombshell neighbors, I'm not surprised you haven't heard of it. "Plowboy2" <stingre.removethis_@yahoo!.removeit> wrote in message news:ILDHc.61196$rn1.57580@okepread07... > LOL steve, > > I certainly didnt think the "military" version was jett black with 10k > more bucks in wheels & accessories, carrying the 5'10" blonde bombshell > neighbor, to the grocerie store... So how it would last in battle....any > longer than my Blazer? but maybe there is a study on this that you are > basing this on? <j/k> > > LOL Diesels... love em or hate em, they are loud sob's and everytime Ihear

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> one go by near my house, I instantly think "oh Sh*t!! The trash!!!" This > is reflex because a few times, I just woke up hearing the trash truck > ambling down the street, me knowing full well ours was not at the curb! > > > > > > Steve Smith wrote: > > Butt ugly, yes. (There's no reason this kind of vehicle can't look > > great - does anybody remember the Lamborghini Panther?). A Diesel > > version would burn a lot less fuel, since these dealies (at least in > > the military) spend most of their time idling...when Diesels merely > > sip fuel. > > > > I'm no defender of the Hummer...if you mean the military version. (I > > drove the pickup-based H2 the other day; it's quite nice.) I have > > been such a strong critic of our military hardware - like the M16 > > (unreliable and unlethal), the Abrams (maintenance and logistics > > probs), the Osprey (doesn't work), the Humvee (too big for CQB in > > rubble-filled urban areas), the F-22 (we shoulda picked the F-23, > > which was optimized for asymmetrical warfare), the Crusader (we > > shoulda gone w. Gerry Bull's arty pieces), the Stryker (the S. > > Africans make much better wheeled APCs ), and the Bradley (like the > > pocket battleship, it falls between the 2 stools of 'outrun what it > > can't outgun...and v.v.') - that I was for years Car and Driver > > magazine's Military Affairs Editor (I still have a drawerful of biz > > cards). > > > > "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > >> On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 23:48:21 GMT, Steve Smith wrote: > >> > >>> BTW, the RW Hummer does one thing extremely well: survives on the > >>> battlefield (read "Black Hawk Down"). > >> > >> There's two other things is does extremely well: Looking butt-ugly > >> and burning ridiculous amounts of fuel as soon as you even think of > >> turning the ignition key 8-P > >> > >> > >> Cheers, uwe > >> > >> -- > >> mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) > >> Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > >> Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > >> GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61 > >

Hi Achim, Last time Hiawatha was inquiring about the game (NASCAR Racing); this time it's abt. the hardware. Between us we have a happy convergence of opinion about racing controllers: we both own Ol' Red LWMFFs w. Schumi's ball-bearing conversion and ECCI E3000 "tractor pedals"! --Steve "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hiawatha Bray wrote: > > This is wonderful stuff...thanks much. > > > > By the way, I keep seeing the word Momo being used. What the heck is a > > Momo? > > > > Thanks again! > > If you're talking about gaming accessories, are you aware of all the > artwork that's being produced for free for these games by enthusiats? > > In the case of racing games, it's mainly cars and tracks. Especially for > Nascar Racing 2003. I'm not sure how much you are into this, but if you > are interested, the cars at this site should wet your appetite :) > > http://www.frank.nascarstation.de/tptcc/Frankspaint2003_TPTCC.htm > > Select one of the car pages and have a look at the beauties :) > > There are also add-on tracks being made. There's no site with images of > all tracks, but at least the list at this site > > http://www.simracingconnection.com/nascar/n2k3tracks.shtml > > (click on the link 'Tracks for Nascar 2003' on the left) > > will give you an idea of how creative these people are. > > Achim

"Ruud Dingemans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ccn8a7$pqf$[email hidden]...

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> Duff Man wrote: > > >>To me he seems to be doing real research and interviews in this > >>newsgroup, which seems to be the intelligent way of preparing an article > >> > >>Why do you call that stealing? > > > Because day one of journalism school you are taught that newsgroup > > research/online interviews/e-mail interviews are only to be used in > > worst-case scenarios... > > > Dude, I happen to have a BA in journalism. And although in my day only > *Fidonet* was mostly available to the general public (Usenet was for > bigtime academics networks!), we were mainly taught to be critical and > wary no matter which medium, and that certainly applies to Usenet just > fine. > It has nothing to do with stealing, however, since people have given > their information and opinion freely on a *public* forum like this. You > just have to ask if you want to use the info on a personal basis, which > is just what mr. Bray did. > > (Actually, on day one of 'school', in the late Eighties, I remember we > were asked who wanted to get into this business because of watching Lou > Grant. ;) > > Regards, Rudy > -------------------- > GPLRank: -22

I guess different people are taught different things...we were taught never, ever to use the Internet unless it was a last resort....

Generic wrote: ... > I've got an Ol' Red and am curious about the cost/availability of the > bearing mod. Pepper grinder is a perfect description of its feel. Do you > have a link for this? I posted a link a few messages further up in this thread... Achim http://users.skynet.be/AchimT

Steve Smith wrote: ... > Between us we have a happy convergence of opinion > about racing controllers: we both own Ol' Red LWMFFs w. Schumi's > ball-bearing conversion and ECCI E3000 "tractor pedals"! Yup, I know. Did Alison also get the E3000 btw? Jens seems to now be offering replacement cables over in his Logicorner group. If you need one, maybe check that group and order one before he finishes production of this current batch. Achim

Steve Smith wrote: > Hi Achim, > > Last time Hiawatha was inquiring about the game (NASCAR Racing); this time > it's abt. the hardware. Ah I'd forgotten about that. Well maybe he likes Frank's cars anyway :) -- Achim http://users.skynet.be/AchimT

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> Steve Smith wrote: > > ... > >> Between us we have a happy convergence of opinion >> about racing controllers: we both own Ol' Red LWMFFs w. Schumi's >> ball-bearing conversion and ECCI E3000 "tractor pedals"! > > > Yup, I know. Did Alison also get the E3000 btw? > > Jens seems to now be offering replacement cables over in his Logicorner > group. If you need one, maybe check that group and order one before he > finishes production of this current batch. > > Achim

Or were you saying that Hiawatha uses an LWFF/E3000 combo? -- Achim http://users.skynet.be/AchimT

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>>To me he seems to be doing real research and interviews in this >>newsgroup, which seems to be the intelligent way of preparing an article >> >>Why do you call that stealing? > Because day one of journalism school you are taught that newsgroup > research/online interviews/e-mail interviews are only to be used in > worst-case scenarios...

Dude, I happen to have a BA in journalism. And although in my day only *Fidonet* was mostly available to the general public (Usenet was for bigtime academics networks!), we were mainly taught to be critical and wary no matter which medium, and that certainly applies to Usenet just fine. It has nothing to do with stealing, however, since people have given their information and opinion freely on a *public* forum like this. You just have to ask if you want to use the info on a personal basis, which is just what mr. Bray did. (Actually, on day one of 'school', in the late Eighties, I remember we were asked who wanted to get into this business because of watching Lou Grant. ;) Regards, Rudy -------------------- GPLRank: -22

I was taught journalism in college, and quit cold when I was gobsmacked by the truth of the aphorism, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." I went on to become the Editors of Car and Driver, Motor Trend, and PC Computing. A source is whatever works for the story. "Duff Man" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Ruud Dingemans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ccn8a7$pqf$[email hidden]... > > Duff Man wrote: > > > > >>To me he seems to be doing real research and interviews in this > > >>newsgroup, which seems to be the intelligent way of preparing an

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> > >> > > >>Why do you call that stealing? > > > > > Because day one of journalism school you are taught that newsgroup > > > research/online interviews/e-mail interviews are only to be used in > > > worst-case scenarios... > > > > > > Dude, I happen to have a BA in journalism. And although in my day only > > *Fidonet* was mostly available to the general public (Usenet was for > > bigtime academics networks!), we were mainly taught to be critical and > > wary no matter which medium, and that certainly applies to Usenet just > > fine. > > It has nothing to do with stealing, however, since people have given > > their information and opinion freely on a *public* forum like this. You > > just have to ask if you want to use the info on a personal basis, which > > is just what mr. Bray did. > > > > (Actually, on day one of 'school', in the late Eighties, I remember we > > were asked who wanted to get into this business because of watching Lou > > Grant. ;) > > > > Regards, Rudy > > -------------------- > > GPLRank: -22 > > I guess different people are taught different things...we were taught

never, > ever to use the Internet unless it was a last resort.... > >

Alison is kinda out of sim racing, altho she still checks in every once in a while. When she isn't racing her Cobra (the best-sorted Factory 5 IRS Cobra in the NE), she's buzzing aorund in RC cars. (Well, not actually "in" them....) "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Steve Smith wrote: > > ... > > > Between us we have a happy convergence of opinion > > about racing controllers: we both own Ol' Red LWMFFs w. Schumi's > > ball-bearing conversion and ECCI E3000 "tractor pedals"! > > Yup, I know. Did Alison also get the E3000 btw? > > Jens seems to now be offering replacement cables over in his Logicorner > group. If you need one, maybe check that group and order one before he > finishes production of this current batch. > > Achim

No no; WE are. "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Joachim Trensz wrote: > > Steve Smith wrote: > > > > ... > > > >> Between us we have a happy convergence of opinion > >> about racing controllers: we both own Ol' Red LWMFFs w. Schumi's > >> ball-bearing conversion and ECCI E3000 "tractor pedals"! > > > > > > Yup, I know. Did Alison also get the E3000 btw? > > > > Jens seems to now be offering replacement cables over in his Logicorner > > group. If you need one, maybe check that group and order one before he > > finishes production of this current batch. > > > > Achim > > Or were you saying that Hiawatha uses an LWFF/E3000 combo? > > -- > Achim > http://users.skynet.be/AchimT

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ABSHc.46821$[email hidden]... > I was taught journalism in college, and quit cold when I was gobsmacked by > the truth of the aphorism, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." I > went on to become the Editors of Car and Driver, Motor Trend, and PC > Computing. A source is whatever works for the story. > Hmm...all of my teachers taught and did at the same time...

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:01:37 -0700, Ruud Dingemans wrote: > (Actually, on day one of 'school', in the late Eighties, I remember we > were asked who wanted to get into this business because of watching Lou > Grant. ;) And "Petrocelli" ;-) Wasn't the lawyer from "Petrocelli" some low-key editor in "Lou Grant" (the name of the programme evades me)? cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:01:22 GMT, Steve Smith wrote: > Alison is kinda out of sim racing, altho she still checks in every once in a > while. When she isn't racing her Cobra (the best-sorted Factory 5 IRS Cobra > in the NE), she's buzzing aorund in RC cars. (Well, not actually "in" > them....) Hi Steve, thanks for the good news. I really hope that's only because she is finally feeling better physically (and fit for real racing) as opposed to getting bored of sitting in front of a computer monitor ;-) All the best, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> I'm no defender of the Hummer...if you mean the military version. (I drove > the pickup-based H2 the other day; it's quite nice.) I have been such a > strong critic of our military hardware - like the M16 (unreliable and > unlethal), the Abrams (maintenance and logistics probs), the Osprey (doesn't > work), the Humvee (too big for CQB in rubble-filled urban areas), the F-22 > (we shoulda picked the F-23, which was optimized for asymmetrical warfare), > the Crusader (we shoulda gone w. Gerry Bull's arty pieces), the Stryker (the

[snip snip :] Way over my "old-europe", pacifist head Steve, but thanks for the pointers anyway ;-) cheers, Uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ABSHc.46821$[email hidden]... > I was taught journalism in college, and quit cold when I was gobsmacked by > the truth of the aphorism, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." I > went on to become the Editors of Car and Driver, Motor Trend, and PC > Computing. A source is whatever works for the story. > Steve, expertice gained from the real world. How refreshing for a change. Lots of armchair quarterbacks out there. Pete

Duff Man wrote: > I guess different people are taught different things...we were taught never, > ever to use the Internet unless it was a last resort.... There's a big difference between believing things you see written on webpages and using newsgroups to make contact with people who have specific expertise or interests. The latter appears to be happening here. bp

"Barry Posner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Duff Man wrote: > > > I guess different people are taught different things...we were taughtnever,

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> > ever to use the Internet unless it was a last resort.... > > There's a big difference between believing things you see written on > webpages and using newsgroups to make contact with people who have > specific expertise or interests. > > The latter appears to be happening here. > > bp

Except for that Grand Theft Auto article he wrote a while back...he culled through the responses and used only the sources in the minority to make his point...

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> > "Barry Posner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Duff Man wrote: > > > > > I guess different people are taught different things...we were taught > never, > > > ever to use the Internet unless it was a last resort.... > > > > There's a big difference between believing things you see written on > > webpages and using newsgroups to make contact with people who have > > specific expertise or interests. > > > > The latter appears to be happening here. > > > > bp > > Except for that Grand Theft Auto article he wrote a while back...he culled > through the responses and used only the sources in the minority to make

his > point... Hehe, sounds like standard journalism to me. Damn the truth, when theres an agenda to be made <g> > >

Whoosh! You cant read or you have no sense of humor what so ever... So your saying that the H2 (bought by my neighbor, not the military version DUH!) was used in a study (war in Mogadishu...) Interesting. Steve Smith wrote: > Yeah, it was a little "study" called the Battle of Mogadishu. If yer > spending more time ogling 5'10" bombshell neighbors, I'm not > surprised you haven't heard of it.

Sid Chapple wrote: > > The best if you have the money http://www.hyperstimulator.com/ > If not, Logitech Momo Force wheel and Redline Race Control pedals > http://www.wave.co.nz/~lakewood/Redline2.htm the best pedals there are :) > Sid. RedLine pedals are the best, some day I'll mate mine to an ECCI wheel Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--