Nascar2 save - a proposal

Would the following save procedure satisfy _most_ needs? After a session you can save and go on to the next session later. During a race you can hit pause, then save, and you restart exactly from the pause, just as if you unpaused. Those must be trivial to implement in a patch. I know people want more, but would the no frills approach be worth doing??? bob

At the moment - I would pleased to be able to save after qualifying - making it really a race weekend. This would allow driver randomization after qualifying and allow me to work on qualifying as a seperate excercise from racing. I would be even happier with what you propose. In fact, being able to resume as if I had just paused is much better than starting under caution as is currently implemented in N1 - but this is probably even more difficult - since tire temps, speeds etc would need to be saved. /THansen

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> Would the following save procedure satisfy _most_ needs? > After a session you can save and go on to the next session later. > During a race you can hit pause, then save, and you restart exactly from > the pause, just as if you unpaused. > Those must be trivial to implement in a patch. I know people want > more, but would the no frills approach be worth doing??? > bob > The N1 save would be just fine, and they wouldn't have to rewrite alot, would they?

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I like your idea. This way, you can save your race, and still can't cheat.I wish this was in Nascar 1 as well as 2. - Jeff

How's that again? Granted, you couldn't get the benefit of the "I wish I could get a yellow and avoid going a lap down", but you could still cheat quite easily... This proposal doesn't solve the cheating problem by a long shot... ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

: >I like your idea. This way, you can save your race, and still can't : >cheat.I wish this was in Nascar 1 as well as 2. : How's that again? Granted, you couldn't get the benefit of the "I wish : I could get a yellow and avoid going a lap down", but you could still : cheat quite easily... : This proposal doesn't solve the cheating problem by a long shot... : ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus Uh oh! This almost sounds like an un-official statement that the Save-Game option is missing from NASCAR2 because the "programmers" DID want to prevent cheating. Of course, I am sure that this is not what Jim is meaning to imply by his statement. He is just pointing out a "hole" in the poster's arguement. If this is the case I agree. However, if the reason we don't have the save-game feature is to preventing cheating, well..... (ahh, I've already addressed that). Okay, Jim, you've opened the "P" box... Which is it? It's missing to prevent cheating -or- there wasn't time to program it the way the development team wanted it to work? -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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>: >I like your idea. This way, you can save your race, and still can't >: >cheat.I wish this was in Nascar 1 as well as 2. >:[...] >: This proposal doesn't solve the cheating problem by a long shot... >Uh oh! This almost sounds like an un-official statement that the >Save-Game option is missing from NASCAR2 because the "programmers" DID >want to prevent cheating. Of course, I am sure that this is not what >Jim is meaning to imply by his statement. He is just pointing out a >"hole" in the poster's arguement. If this is the case I agree. However, >if the reason we don't have the save-game feature is to preventing >cheating, well..... (ahh, I've already addressed that). >Okay, Jim, you've opened the "P" box... Which is it? It's missing to >prevent cheating -or- there wasn't time to program it the way the >development team wanted it to work?

This is getting to be FAQ by now. The feature is not in there because there wasn't time to program it given the various constraints the N2 team faced. No one sat down and said "Geez guys, some of our customers really liked this feature, but we've figured out that they can use it to cheat; we've got to take it out!" I realize that some are unhappy about it, but that's the way it currently stands. People planning future products are certainly aware of the situation, and aware of the unhappiness this has caused. My only purpose in responding above was to point out the obvious flaw in this "fix" for the cheating problem... Perhaps I need to refrain from posting on any even vaguely controversial topics. ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus, wishing people would read r.a.s. postings at arms' length, rather than examine the subatomic structure of the ink particles which make up our words... (and of course, it's not just you Micheal, not by a LONG shot...)

How's that again? Granted, you couldn't get the benefit of the "I wish I could get a yellow and avoid going a lap down", but you could still cheat quite easily... This proposal doesn't solve the cheating problem by a long shot... ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

: >I like your idea. This way, you can save your race, and still can't : >cheat.I wish this was in Nascar 1 as well as 2. : How's that again? Granted, you couldn't get the benefit of the "I wish : I could get a yellow and avoid going a lap down", but you could still : cheat quite easily... : This proposal doesn't solve the cheating problem by a long shot... : ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus Uh oh! This almost sounds like an un-official statement that the Save-Game option is missing from NASCAR2 because the "programmers" DID want to prevent cheating. Of course, I am sure that this is not what Jim is meaning to imply by his statement. He is just pointing out a "hole" in the poster's arguement. If this is the case I agree. However, if the reason we don't have the save-game feature is to preventing cheating, well..... (ahh, I've already addressed that). Okay, Jim, you've opened the "P" box... Which is it? It's missing to prevent cheating -or- there wasn't time to program it the way the development team wanted it to work? -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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>: >I like your idea. This way, you can save your race, and still can't >: >cheat.I wish this was in Nascar 1 as well as 2. >:[...] >: This proposal doesn't solve the cheating problem by a long shot... >Uh oh! This almost sounds like an un-official statement that the >Save-Game option is missing from NASCAR2 because the "programmers" DID >want to prevent cheating. Of course, I am sure that this is not what >Jim is meaning to imply by his statement. He is just pointing out a >"hole" in the poster's arguement. If this is the case I agree. However, >if the reason we don't have the save-game feature is to preventing >cheating, well..... (ahh, I've already addressed that). >Okay, Jim, you've opened the "P" box... Which is it? It's missing to >prevent cheating -or- there wasn't time to program it the way the >development team wanted it to work?

This is getting to be FAQ by now. The feature is not in there because there wasn't time to program it given the various constraints the N2 team faced. No one sat down and said "Geez guys, some of our customers really liked this feature, but we've figured out that they can use it to cheat; we've got to take it out!" I realize that some are unhappy about it, but that's the way it currently stands. People planning future products are certainly aware of the situation, and aware of the unhappiness this has caused. My only purpose in responding above was to point out the obvious flaw in this "fix" for the cheating problem... Perhaps I need to refrain from posting on any even vaguely controversial topics. ---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus, wishing people would read r.a.s. postings at arms' length, rather than examine the subatomic structure of the ink particles which make up our words... (and of course, it's not just you Micheal, not by a LONG shot...)