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> Merry Christmas!!<G> > Drivers: > Well, tonight I just had 8 races in Kali!! Latencies varied from .25 > to .30!!! There was NO "ghosting, flickering, nor Hand of God" > problems. > I have come to this conclusion about racing on the Internet, Yes it's > possible and stable!!! > Here are the important steps in racing on the I-net: > 1) They key here is the "ping" feature. Generally, you "can" accept > ping reponses from 100 to as high as 600ms. Even though you ping > someone ( I suggest you ping the person "manually", it's more > accurate ) and he/she is in the right range, you have to ping them > several times until they have become stablized. > Meaning this, let's driver A pings at 600ms. I ping him again and he > is 223ms, then again at 330ms. As you can see, he isn't really > stable. What you really want, is to ping someone until the "range" is > stable or consistant. Let's say Driver b pinged at 334ms, and I do it > again several times, his results are 331ms, 336ms, 333ms. You see he > is stable. This would be a great connection to race with. But you also > have to have a "stable" connection!! Are you still with me?? > You see the Internet is "unstable" majority of the time. The transfer > rate on the Internet goes from one extreme to another ( up and down > ). Once you have overcome this barrier, you will have a killer > connection to race with. Got it?? > The stablization is also dependant on your ISP!! Some ISPs are slower > than others. Run a traceroute program to see how your ISP is going to > the Gateway. You will see how many times it connects.. > 2) There were times we couldn't hook up at all!! So Pat Dotson and I > tried "server" mode. That worked great!! > In this mode, both of unload Kali (kali /u for DOS, haven't done in > Win95 yet), then one of decides to be the "host" and the other person > will use "your IP address" to log onto ( This is the "dailer" or > caller ). You can still run KCHAT and wait for the person until he > connects to you. > I would like to continue testing on Kali and Kahn( haven't done it, > yet!!) Any volunteers??? > Don?? Steve?? Lyman?? Wallace?? Pekka?? Anyone?? > Just email me..or call and let's get busy.. > Happy Holidays!! > take care > Julian Data > IVGA Member #0004 > Director of Information Technology > ACE Beta Tester and Driver of IVGA > Channel Operator of #ivga on IRC (Undernet) > Powered by IVGA Pro Gamer System P6-200 oc 233, 96MB EDO

Julian: let me know when you can race 8 users in NASCAR 2 using Kali or Kahn... Don Wilshe

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> Merry Christmas!!<G> > Drivers: > I would like to continue testing on Kali and Kahn( haven't done it, > yet!!) Any volunteers??? > Just email me..or call and let's get busy.. > Happy Holidays!!

Sure, let me know when your ready. This sure is a heck of alot cheaper than Hawaii and I'll do whatever I can to get it working right for everyone. I have Kali and Kahn loaded but with Kahn I have not found any race partners yet. Mike-p on Hawaii Dragon2U on Kali

It might be do-able of the person answering has a T1 connection or a cable modem. ISDN might even do it. That's assuming that N2 uses a client server modle, which I think it does (Jim? Help me out here?). such as Fighter Duel and Quake. If it's strictly peer-to-peer though, everyone in the game would need a super-fast connection for 8 player. Or, I could be completely full of shit. I dunno, I just felt like sticking my nose in <g>. David *** You're only young once, but you can stay immature forever.***

j Well, I'm no Nascar Hotshot, but I am quite familiar with Kali and Kahn, and I'd be glad to help if you want to do some testing. I have both the Win95 and DOS versions of both programs registered and running, so just look for me on WTR (I go by AKCobra) whenever your on. David *** You're only young once, but you can stay immature forever.***

> let me know when you can race 8 users in NASCAR 2 using Kali > or Kahn... Been there, done that. You can't do it hosting with a 28.8k modem, but if you find someone to host with a cable modem or isdn, it can work. I've been in 8 player races where the host had a cable modem and it wasn't bad. -- Pat Dotson

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> > let me know when you can race 8 users in NASCAR 2 using Kali > > or Kahn... > Been there, done that. You can't do it hosting with a 28.8k modem, > but if you find someone to host with a cable modem or isdn, it can > work. I've been in 8 player races where the host had a cable modem > and it wasn't bad. > -- > Pat Dotson

I have had some luck and some good races with my 28.8 modem. I use Netcom and it only allowes me to connect at 24k bps. It has worked very well when hooked up with someone using a cablemodem or ISDN as the host. We have had as many as 6 drivers with very little warping under the right circumstances. It is my understanding that there is going to be a new standard for modem communications called X2. We have high speed lines where I live but I live too far away from the central office to utilize ISDN. But X2 is supposed to be capable of 56K bps. I would think that would make for a pretty good connection. Does anyone have any more info on that. Also, Time Warner just took over my hometown cable company and they informed me that we would have cablemodem access in the spring. Looks like Time Warner is taking over most of the country. A company called Cablevision Industries is supposed to suuply the service. read the press release at:

Pat, X2 is only 56 on incomming data and you have to be connected to an ISP with digital switches. Two X2 modems will do no better than 28.8. Regards, ---Wayne.

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> > > let me know when you can race 8 users in NASCAR 2 using Kali > > > or Kahn... > > Been there, done that. You can't do it hosting with a 28.8k modem, > > but if you find someone to host with a cable modem or isdn, it can > > work. I've been in 8 player races where the host had a cable modem > > and it wasn't bad. > > -- > > Pat Dotson > I have had some luck and some good races with my 28.8 modem. I use > Netcom and it only allowes me to connect at 24k bps. It has worked very > well when hooked up with someone using a cablemodem or ISDN as the > host. We have had as many as 6 drivers with very little warping under > the right circumstances. It is my understanding that there is going to > be a new standard for modem communications called X2. We have high speed > lines where I live but I live too far away from the central office to > utilize ISDN. But X2 is supposed to be capable of 56K bps. I would think > that would make for a pretty good connection. Does anyone have any more > info on that. > Also, Time Warner just took over my hometown cable company and they > informed me that we would have cablemodem access in the spring. Looks > like Time Warner is taking over most of the country. A company called > Cablevision Industries is supposed to suuply the service. > read the press release at:

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writes Okay European guys! Name a time and a date and I'll host a race. With fast connection, fast PC and quiet lines we should get eight without too much trouble. Any takers...? _________________________________ __ _____| |_____ __ ________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |________ \ :| |::| :| Team WW Racing TSW | |::| | / > :| |::| :|_________________________________| |::| | < / :|__|::|____/ * Sim Racing News * \____|::|__| \ /______:/ \::/ http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm \::/ \._____\ http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~harmon/simnews

<cough> <choke> Sorry, caught me napping there Sure, I have Kali and Kahn and would be happy to test. Cheers! John _________________________________ __ _____| |_____ __ ________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |________ \ :| |::| :| Team WW Racing TSW | |::| | / > :| |::| :|_________________________________| |::| | < / :|__|::|____/ * Sim Racing News * \____|::|__| \ /______:/ \::/ http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm \::/ \._____\ http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~harmon/simnews

> Pat, > X2 is only 56 on incomming data and you have to be connected > to an ISP with digital switches. Two X2 modems will do no better > than 28.8. I never mentioned X2, only cable and isdn modems. I have to believe, though, that someone with X2 technology will have better luck hosting multiplayer races than someone with a 28.8. -- Pat Dotson

On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 17:24:39 +0000, John Wallace >Okay European guys! >Name a time and a date and I'll host a race. With fast connection, fast >PC and quiet lines we should get eight without too much trouble. Better yet, you set the date & time. Otherwise you'll get 8 different ones <g>. Cheers, Richard PS Count me in!

On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 17:24:39 +0000, John Wallace >Okay European guys! >Name a time and a date and I'll host a race. With fast connection, fast >PC and quiet lines we should get eight without too much trouble. Better yet, you set the date & time. Otherwise you'll get 8 different ones <g>. Cheers, Richard PS Count me in!

>be a new standard for modem communications called X2. We have high speed >lines where I live but I live too far away from the central office to >utilize ISDN. But X2 is supposed to be capable of 56K bps. I would think >that would make for a pretty good connection. Does anyone have any more >info on that. I can't see that X2 will be much of a help in ***. The upstream pipe is still 28kbs or 33.6kbs. Only a digital connection at the source would make the 57K available as a oneway ticket your home. Dave Henrie

writes: could do, we'd be better off finding a modem bud in our home towns, rather than reaching out into the vastness of the net. If, however, you can get 8 players up and running or Kali or Kahn, then the world should be informed, ...LOUDLY! Dave Henrie

Hi John, > Okay European guys! > Name a time and a date and I'll host a race. With fast connection, fast > PC and quiet lines we should get eight without too much trouble. > Any takers...? If you wait some days until I have a new modem and a ISP I will be there. <g> And I think Achim could be interested too. <bg> Georg

Wayne, > X2 is only 56 on incomming data and you have to be connected > to an ISP with digital switches. Two X2 modems will do no better > than 28.8. That is something I already read somewhere but I dont get. If you can receive with 56k bps there must be a way for someone to send with 56k bps. Now why should only the ISP be able to send with this speed (that is what I have read). Why shoudnt the user be able to send with 56k bps ? Georg

> > X2 is only 56 on incomming data and you have to be connected > > to an ISP with digital switches. Two X2 modems will do no better > > than 28.8. >That is something I already read somewhere but I dont get. If you can >receive with 56k bps there must be a way for someone to send with 56k bps. >Now why should only the ISP be able to send with this speed (that is what >I have read). Why shoudnt the user be able to send with 56k bps ? >Georg The X2 from USR is not like your old modem, where each side agreed to send at the same speed. X2 is mainly a benefit for Web surfers. You will be able to recieve at 57kbs ONLY if the ISP has a Digital connection and a few other odds and ends, Then your modem will send upstream at the old 28.8/33.3kbs rate. The Rockwell 57k modem works basically the same way. For gamers, the X2 does not seem to be of any benefit. Dave Henrie

Maybe not for a one on one game, but as soon as you are playing against more than one other person, you are downloading all of the info about their actions and still only uploading your own. In a 16 player Quake game, you are downloading 15 times more data than you are uploading! Cheers, Richard

: The X2 from USR is not like your old modem, where each side agreed to : send at the same speed. X2 is mainly a benefit for Web surfers. You will : be able to recieve at 57kbs ONLY if the ISP has a Digital connection and a : few other odds and ends, Then your modem will send upstream at the old : 28.8/33.3kbs rate. The Rockwell 57k modem works basically the same way. : For gamers, the X2 does not seem to be of any benefit. I would agree that in a two player game, where one buddy calls up another to race, X2 would have no benefit over a 28.8 modem. But consider this scenario: You want to play an online game like N2 or Quake. Your computer sends and recieves player information to/from the host. In an 8 player game, you only have to send data about yourself, i.e. speed, position, and direction, but you have to recieve that same kind of data about ALL players in the game. In this case, only the host needs fast send and recieve capabitities. The X2 modem would provide a real speedup to the 'Dialers.' -- NOTE: the email address in the headers above is purposely incorrect, to prevent spam email. To email me, delete the '9' from the beginning of the address.