Team-Redline's Spa for N2003

It's out and available at bhmotorports.com if you have BitTorrent (lots of people sharing too, managed to max out my downstream getting it). The layout seems as accurate as anything we've had in a sim. Just from a few laps and getting an initial impression it seems to have a similar level of detail and track layout accuracy as the GP4 and GTR-demo versions, which are both very nice. I'd give it a big thumbs up, much better than the F1c-inspired Magny Cours they released several months ago.

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> It's out and available at bhmotorports.com if you have BitTorrent > (lots of people sharing too, managed to max out my downstream getting > it). > > The layout seems as accurate as anything we've had in a sim. Just > from a few laps and getting an initial impression it seems to have a > similar level of detail and track layout accuracy as the GP4 and > GTR-demo versions, which are both very nice. I'd give it a big thumbs > up, much better than the F1c-inspired Magny Cours they released > several months ago.

Looks good downloading now.

Between TR's Spa and SimBin's in the GTR demo, I feel like I live in a forest in Belgium. I've been driving the TPTCC's Touring Cars (kinda F2 cars to the T/A's F1) and the combo is fantastic! Feels a lot like the Lister Storm, only more Papyrus-y. Another reason to get the latest (2.4) ver of the TPTCC nod: a nighttime ver of Sebring...complete w. headlight FX! They look remarkably like the real thing...only I can't find the switch for the high beams! "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> It's out and available at bhmotorports.com if you have BitTorrent > (lots of people sharing too, managed to max out my downstream getting > it). > > The layout seems as accurate as anything we've had in a sim. Just > from a few laps and getting an initial impression it seems to have a > similar level of detail and track layout accuracy as the GP4 and > GTR-demo versions, which are both very nice. I'd give it a big thumbs > up, much better than the F1c-inspired Magny Cours they released > several months ago.

Steve Smith wrote: > Between TR's Spa and SimBin's in the GTR demo, I feel like I live in a > forest in Belgium. AAMOF, there's too much forest in the sim. There's a nice place where you can watch from outside the track where the view is unobscured in reality (although during an F1 race you probably can't get there :) Achim

Well, as I remember from Malmedy in 1944 (or "Band of Brothers" on the telly last nite), the forestation in the Ardennes is lovely, dark and deep...but I have promises to keep, and miles to go before I sleep. ;o) "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Steve Smith wrote: > > > Between TR's Spa and SimBin's in the GTR demo, I feel like I live in a > > forest in Belgium. > > AAMOF, there's too much forest in the sim. There's a nice place where > you can watch from outside the track where the view is unobscured in > reality (although during an F1 race you probably can't get there :) > > Achim

Steve Smith wrote: > Well, as I remember from Malmedy in 1944 (or "Band of Brothers" on the telly > last nite), the forestation in the Ardennes is lovely, dark and deep...but I > have promises to keep, and miles to go before I sleep. ;o) It is. Except for the few spots where it isn't ;) Achim

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:52:10 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Between TR's Spa and SimBin's in the GTR demo, I feel like I live in a >forest in Belgium. I've been driving the TPTCC's Touring Cars (kinda F2 >cars to the T/A's F1) and the combo is fantastic! Feels a lot like the >Lister Storm, only more Papyrus-y. Yeah, I've been driving those physics too. I love the default pta, don't get me wrong, but the new pta physics feel quite a bit more like what I'd expect out of a trans am-spec car. Zandvoort is an absolute blast in the new physics. Jason

Anyone have a link to download the 2.4 TPTCC physics? (Currently, I have 2.1) Thanks! Steve Smith wrote:

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> Between TR's Spa and SimBin's in the GTR demo, I feel like I live in a > forest in Belgium. I've been driving the TPTCC's Touring Cars (kinda F2 > cars to the T/A's F1) and the combo is fantastic! Feels a lot like the > Lister Storm, only more Papyrus-y. > > Another reason to get the latest (2.4) ver of the TPTCC nod: a nighttime ver > of Sebring...complete w. headlight FX! They look remarkably like the real > thing...only I can't find the switch for the high beams! > > "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > It's out and available at bhmotorports.com if you have BitTorrent > > (lots of people sharing too, managed to max out my downstream getting > > it). > > > > The layout seems as accurate as anything we've had in a sim. Just > > from a few laps and getting an initial impression it seems to have a > > similar level of detail and track layout accuracy as the GP4 and > > GTR-demo versions, which are both very nice. I'd give it a big thumbs > > up, much better than the F1c-inspired Magny Cours they released > > several months ago.

Anyone have a link to download the 2.4 TPTCC physics? (Currently, I have 2.1) Thanks!

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> Between TR's Spa and SimBin's in the GTR demo, I feel like I live in a > forest in Belgium. I've been driving the TPTCC's Touring Cars (kinda F2 > cars to the T/A's F1) and the combo is fantastic! Feels a lot like the > Lister Storm, only more Papyrus-y. > Another reason to get the latest (2.4) ver of the TPTCC nod: a nighttime ver > of Sebring...complete w. headlight FX! They look remarkably like the real > thing...only I can't find the switch for the high beams! > > It's out and available at bhmotorports.com if you have BitTorrent > > (lots of people sharing too, managed to max out my downstream getting > > it). > > The layout seems as accurate as anything we've had in a sim. Just > > from a few laps and getting an initial impression it seems to have a > > similar level of detail and track layout accuracy as the GP4 and > > GTR-demo versions, which are both very nice. I'd give it a big thumbs > > up, much better than the F1c-inspired Magny Cours they released > > several months ago.

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> Anyone have a link to download the 2.4 TPTCC physics? (Currently, I > have 2.1) > > Thanks! > > > > Steve Smith wrote: > >> Between TR's Spa and SimBin's in the GTR demo, I feel like I live in >> a forest in Belgium. I've been driving the TPTCC's Touring Cars >> (kinda F2 cars to the T/A's F1) and the combo is fantastic! Feels a >> lot like the Lister Storm, only more Papyrus-y. >> >> Another reason to get the latest (2.4) ver of the TPTCC nod: a >> nighttime ver of Sebring...complete w. headlight FX! They look >> remarkably like the real thing...only I can't find the switch for the >> high beams! >> >> "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > It's out and available at bhmotorports.com if you have BitTorrent >> > (lots of people sharing too, managed to max out my downstream >> > getting it). >> > >> > The layout seems as accurate as anything we've had in a sim. Just >> > from a few laps and getting an initial impression it seems to have >> > a similar level of detail and track layout accuracy as the GP4 and >> > GTR-demo versions, which are both very nice. I'd give it a big >> > thumbs up, much better than the F1c-inspired Magny Cours they >> > released several months ago. > >

theuspits.com in the tptcc forum

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> Yeah, I've been driving those physics too. I love the default pta, > don't get me wrong, but the new pta physics feel quite a bit more like > what I'd expect out of a trans am-spec car. Zandvoort is an absolute > blast in the new physics. > > Jason >

The weight and horsepower are reduced...that is the biggest change and Tim limited some of the setup options. So a SLOW Trans Am car...:) dave henrie

It's not *supposed* to be a T/A; it's supposed to be something more along the lines of a DTM or BTCC car; much lighter than a T/A (thus more grip and demon brakes) and abt. half the horsepower. Yeah, the limited setup options is pants...altho I do love being able to dial in more than 1.8 deg. of neg. camber at the back. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> [email hidden] (Jason Moyer) wrote in news:40d88cf1.35965437 > @news.telerama.com: > > > Yeah, I've been driving those physics too. I love the default pta, > > don't get me wrong, but the new pta physics feel quite a bit more like > > what I'd expect out of a trans am-spec car. Zandvoort is an absolute > > blast in the new physics. > > > > Jason > > > > The weight and horsepower are reduced...that is the biggest change and > Tim limited some of the setup options. So a SLOW Trans Am car...:) > > dave henrie

> Between TR's Spa and SimBin's in the GTR demo, I feel like I live in a > forest in Belgium. I've been driving the TPTCC's Touring Cars (kinda F2 > cars to the T/A's F1) and the combo is fantastic! Feels a lot like the > Lister Storm, only more Papyrus-y. I might have give the new TPTCC a chance. The last version I drove felt like driving a bar of soap around a jelly bowl =)

You know, no matter how badly one might suck at this track, or road-racing in general, you just can't help but LOVE the ring :) I feel the same way about SPA too. -Larry "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> It's out and available at bhmotorports.com if you have BitTorrent > (lots of people sharing too, managed to max out my downstream getting > it). > > The layout seems as accurate as anything we've had in a sim. Just > from a few laps and getting an initial impression it seems to have a > similar level of detail and track layout accuracy as the GP4 and > GTR-demo versions, which are both very nice. I'd give it a big thumbs > up, much better than the F1c-inspired Magny Cours they released > several months ago.

What are you guys talking about ? New "PTA" physics, Pants, limited setup options.... I'm lost. The Pants part really screwed up my head :) -Larry "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%j5Cc.246017$[email hidden]... > It's not *supposed* to be a T/A; it's supposed to be something more along > the lines of a DTM or BTCC car; much lighter than a T/A (thus more gripand

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> demon brakes) and abt. half the horsepower. > > Yeah, the limited setup options is pants...altho I do love being able to > dial in more than 1.8 deg. of neg. camber at the back. > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > [email hidden] (Jason Moyer) wrote in news:40d88cf1.35965437 > > @news.telerama.com: > > > > > Yeah, I've been driving those physics too. I love the default pta, > > > don't get me wrong, but the new pta physics feel quite a bit more like > > > what I'd expect out of a trans am-spec car. Zandvoort is an absolute > > > blast in the new physics. > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > The weight and horsepower are reduced...that is the biggest change

and > > Tim limited some of the setup options. So a SLOW Trans Am car...:) > > > > dave henrie > >

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:d0FCc.6581$rf7.2594@lakeread02: > What are you guys talking about ? New "PTA" physics, Pants, limited > setup options.... I'm lost. > > The Pants part really screwed up my head :) > > -Larry When a Brit says something is 'the pants,' that is just a slang term. We Yanks might say...it sucks. Just know that pants is bad. Next...you might have heard of Tim McArthur's endurance league. One of his notions is to have mixed class racing. So he's gotten a hacked exe of Nr2k3 that changes some of the physics of the cars...lighter weight...less horsepower and a few other odd bits. So the advantage with that concept is the fast GT type cars in the tptcc mod can race online, side by side with these slower lighter cars. KINDA like Porche 911's sharing the track with Audi R8's. dave henrie

On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:32:51 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>You know, no matter how badly one might suck at this track, or road-racing >in general, you just can't help but LOVE the ring :) > >I feel the same way about SPA too. > >-Larry >

The Ring is about the only track I drive anymore. Almost all other tracks now bore me to death, seem flat as pancakes in comparison, are just dry technical exercises in perfecting your braking points and lines, etc. But the Ring is more of a mystical experience. :-) I still drive old Spa when I'm in the mood to keep it floored 80% of the way around, tho: the new section on this new modern version I find rather uncompelling... John DiFool

Like Dave sez: the 2 classes are GT and TC, akin to GPL's F1 and F2. The TCs are much lighter (ca. 2400 lbs.) much less powerful (ca. 300 hp)., and have one less gear, but have abt. the same amt. of rubber as the GTs, thus have monster grip and demon brakes. Not sure abt. the fuel economy, but at a track like Avus, Daytona, or Le Mans, the GTs would be much faster. At Symmons Plains, Phillip Ilsand, or Heartland, the two classes should be much closer in lap times. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:d0FCc.6581$rf7.2594@lakeread02: > > > What are you guys talking about ? New "PTA" physics, Pants, limited > > setup options.... I'm lost. > > > > The Pants part really screwed up my head :) > > > > -Larry > > When a Brit says something is 'the pants,' that is just a slang term. > We Yanks might say...it sucks. Just know that pants is bad. > Next...you might have heard of Tim McArthur's endurance league. One of > his notions is to have mixed class racing. So he's gotten a hacked exe > of Nr2k3 that changes some of the physics of the cars...lighter > weight...less horsepower and a few other odd bits. So the advantage with > that concept is the fast GT type cars in the tptcc mod can race online, > side by side with these slower lighter cars. KINDA like Porche 911's > sharing the track with Audi R8's. > > dave henrie >

I'm witchoo, John! "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:32:51 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >You know, no matter how badly one might suck at this track, orroad-racing

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> >in general, you just can't help but LOVE the ring :) > > > >I feel the same way about SPA too. > > > >-Larry > > > > The Ring is about the only track I drive anymore. Almost all other > tracks now bore me to death, seem flat as pancakes in comparison, > are just dry technical exercises in perfecting your braking points > and lines, etc. But the Ring is more of a mystical experience. :-) > I still drive old Spa when I'm in the mood to keep it floored 80% > of the way around, tho: the new section on this new modern > version I find rather uncompelling... > > John DiFool >

Damn, I was hoping this was the old FULL SPA. I know noonan's converter does Spa and the Ring, but the graphics at the ring are all screwd up (even with the patches). Has anyone created a FULL version of SPA and the Ring that is really tidied up nicely? -Larry "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nZECc.6578$rf7.3241@lakeread02...

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> You know, no matter how badly one might suck at this track, or road-racing > in general, you just can't help but LOVE the ring :) > > I feel the same way about SPA too. > > -Larry > > "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > It's out and available at bhmotorports.com if you have BitTorrent > > (lots of people sharing too, managed to max out my downstream getting > > it). > > > > The layout seems as accurate as anything we've had in a sim. Just > > from a few laps and getting an initial impression it seems to have a > > similar level of detail and track layout accuracy as the GP4 and > > GTR-demo versions, which are both very nice. I'd give it a big thumbs > > up, much better than the F1c-inspired Magny Cours they released > > several months ago. > >

Cool :) -Larry "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:d0FCc.6581$rf7.2594@lakeread02: > > > What are you guys talking about ? New "PTA" physics, Pants, limited > > setup options.... I'm lost. > > > > The Pants part really screwed up my head :) > > > > -Larry > > When a Brit says something is 'the pants,' that is just a slang term. > We Yanks might say...it sucks. Just know that pants is bad. > Next...you might have heard of Tim McArthur's endurance league. One of > his notions is to have mixed class racing. So he's gotten a hacked exe > of Nr2k3 that changes some of the physics of the cars...lighter > weight...less horsepower and a few other odd bits. So the advantage with > that concept is the fast GT type cars in the tptcc mod can race online, > side by side with these slower lighter cars. KINDA like Porche 911's > sharing the track with Audi R8's. > > dave henrie >

Me too. I was hoping it was the old SPA but alas it's not. It's better than a lot of road courses, but it's not what I was hoping for :( -Larry "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:32:51 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >You know, no matter how badly one might suck at this track, orroad-racing

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> >in general, you just can't help but LOVE the ring :) > > > >I feel the same way about SPA too. > > > >-Larry > > > > The Ring is about the only track I drive anymore. Almost all other > tracks now bore me to death, seem flat as pancakes in comparison, > are just dry technical exercises in perfecting your braking points > and lines, etc. But the Ring is more of a mystical experience. :-) > I still drive old Spa when I'm in the mood to keep it floored 80% > of the way around, tho: the new section on this new modern > version I find rather uncompelling... > > John DiFool >

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:08:45 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Damn, I was hoping this was the old FULL SPA. > >I know noonan's converter does Spa and the Ring, but the graphics at the >ring are all screwd up (even with the patches). > >Has anyone created a FULL version of SPA and the Ring that is really tidied >up nicely?

Hm. Nurby has the "floating track" thing which seems to creep into every conversion of it, but I haven't had any issues with the conversion of spa from the full/patched n2003 converter. Are you having any specific graphic bugs there or are you just looking for a PWF-style makeover?

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:10:36 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Me too. I was hoping it was the old SPA but alas it's not. It's better >than a lot of road courses, but it's not what I was hoping for :( > >-Larry > Well that, and the screwed up my favorite corner in the multiverse, Eau Rouge. I don't mind having to go thru there slower, but I DO mind (a) having the front tires go into a skid going up the hill, and (b) the rear tires losing traction when they crest the hill. And I say that knowing that Papy's GPL version is probably faster than it was in '67... John D

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:34:41 GMT, [email hidden] (Jason Moyer) wrote:

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>On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:08:45 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Damn, I was hoping this was the old FULL SPA. >> >>I know noonan's converter does Spa and the Ring, but the graphics at the >>ring are all screwd up (even with the patches). >> >>Has anyone created a FULL version of SPA and the Ring that is really tidied >>up nicely? > >Hm. Nurby has the "floating track" thing which seems to creep into >every conversion of it, but I haven't had any issues with the >conversion of spa from the full/patched n2003 converter. Are you >having any specific graphic bugs there or are you just looking for a >PWF-style makeover?

I'd like to see shadows on both tracks, something which hugely impresses me about both the new Spa as well as the new Le Mans... JD

PWF style make-over. SPA is ok. My favorite road course. THe Ring conversion is just plain goofy in area's... -Larry "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:08:45 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Damn, I was hoping this was the old FULL SPA. > > > >I know noonan's converter does Spa and the Ring, but the graphics at the > >ring are all screwd up (even with the patches). > > > >Has anyone created a FULL version of SPA and the Ring that is really

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> >up nicely? > > Hm. Nurby has the "floating track" thing which seems to creep into > every conversion of it, but I haven't had any issues with the > conversion of spa from the full/patched n2003 converter. Are you > having any specific graphic bugs there or are you just looking for a > PWF-style makeover?