Nordschleife, F1C in Autosport

In this weeks autosport there is an article about Anthony Davidson driving F1C around the nordschleife!! He does it in 5.50.4 in the 2002 BAR. Have been trying to beat it today butonly got 5.59.3 (just with low traction control). Am gonna beat him if it kills me!!

On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:10:26 +0000 (UTC), THEMAN wrote: > In this weeks autosport there is an article about Anthony Davidson driving > F1C around the nordschleife!! He does it in 5.50.4 in the 2002 BAR. Have > been trying to beat it today butonly got 5.59.3 (just with low traction > control). Am gonna beat him if it kills me!! > > thanks for the note, would you care to put up some links with scans of the article? Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"THEMAN" wrote... > In this weeks autosport there is an article about > Anthony Davidson driving F1C around the > nordschleife!! He does it in 5.50.4 in the 2002 > BAR. Have been trying to beat it today butonly > got 5.59.3 (just with low traction control). Am > gonna beat him if it kills me!! Damn straight, can't have real F1 drivers muscling in on our territory! <g> Seriously, I thought the track was too bumpy to use the F1s, but I haven't tried them on the Kvakos update. I'll give it a go this weekend... just under 6 minutes... that's gotta be one serious rush! ;-) Jan. =---

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:0I6wc.144565$[email hidden]:

Quoted text (19 lines)

> "THEMAN" wrote... >> In this weeks autosport there is an article about >> Anthony Davidson driving F1C around the >> nordschleife!! He does it in 5.50.4 in the 2002 >> BAR. Have been trying to beat it today butonly >> got 5.59.3 (just with low traction control). Am >> gonna beat him if it kills me!! > > Damn straight, can't have real F1 drivers muscling in on our > territory! <g> > > Seriously, I thought the track was too bumpy to use the F1s, but I > haven't tried them on the Kvakos update. I'll give it a go this > weekend... just under 6 minutes... that's gotta be one serious rush! > ;-) > > Jan. > =--- >

Using Dave Noonan's converted Nurburgring with the TPTCC cars from theuspits.com I've gotten just short of 1 minute faster with the Viper than with the GPL lotus, but that is Nr2k3 and it's mods. With F1c, the original release, called 'thering' is indeed bumpy and difficult. You can dload from the etcc track pages and other locations the 'nordschleife' track(and then dump Kvakos updates on it) and that is culled from Ian's smoothing and relofting done before Simbin left the mod community. I've run ETCC cars and gotten times similar to my GPL lotus times...so slower than the Viper in TPTCC but that's just the 2.0 litre touring cars. I would suspect either the F1 or the Group C prototypes would be the fastest. hmmmm now that I think about that...the CART mod (actually just a port of the F1 2k1 via f1 2k2) has more grip...I wonder how those times would compare? dh

Wow.. right on! It's always really cool to hear about a pro driver using games, and even using MODS for those games! -- Mike Beauchamp http://www.therevox.com - custom electro-theremins and stuff. http://www.mikebeauchamp.com - mike's personal site. "THEMAN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c9qdug$j8h$[email hidden]... > In this weeks autosport there is an article about Anthony Davidson driving > F1C around the nordschleife!! He does it in 5.50.4 in the 2002 BAR. Have > been trying to beat it today butonly got 5.59.3 (just with low traction > control). Am gonna beat him if it kills me!! > >

Sorry, wasn't able to find any links to the article (and have no scanner and too busy trying to beat the time to copy it). Have managed to get down to 5.56.3 on the ETCC version. Its not too bumpy, infact the v1.1 update makes it bumpier. I never thought of running the F1 car around it, but it makes for the best drive ever. The feeling of speed is amazing. Unlearning all the breaking points in GPL was hard, and learning to keep the foot down flat, but when you do, WOW!! Give it a go. Someone needs to beat him (if I do I'll be writing to BAR demanding my race seat ;) ) "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted text (14 lines)

> Wow.. right on! > It's always really cool to hear about a pro driver using games, and even > using MODS for those games! > > > -- > Mike Beauchamp > http://www.therevox.com - custom electro-theremins and stuff. > http://www.mikebeauchamp.com - mike's personal site. > > > "THEMAN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:c9qdug$j8h$[email hidden]... > > In this weeks autosport there is an article about Anthony Davidson

driving

Quoted text (7 lines)

> > F1C around the nordschleife!! He does it in 5.50.4 in the 2002 BAR. Have > > been trying to beat it today butonly got 5.59.3 (just with low traction > > control). Am gonna beat him if it kills me!! > > > > > >

On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:21:17 +0000 (UTC), "THEMAN" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (8 lines)

>Sorry, wasn't able to find any links to the article (and have no scanner and >too busy trying to beat the time to copy it). Have managed to get down to >5.56.3 on the ETCC version. Its not too bumpy, infact the v1.1 update makes >it bumpier. I never thought of running the F1 car around it, but it makes >for the best drive ever. The feeling of speed is amazing. Unlearning all the >breaking points in GPL was hard, and learning to keep the foot down flat, >but when you do, WOW!! Give it a go. Someone needs to beat him (if I do I'll >be writing to BAR demanding my race seat ;) )

Dozens of people have 5:40's at the simbin ring in F1C. I'm surprised Davidson considers 5:50 fast when I've done mid 55's and I hate the sim.

"Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:21:17 +0000 (UTC), "THEMAN" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Sorry, wasn't able to find any links to the article (and have no scannerand > >too busy trying to beat the time to copy it). Have managed to get down to > >5.56.3 on the ETCC version. Its not too bumpy, infact the v1.1 updatemakes > >it bumpier. I never thought of running the F1 car around it, but it makes > >for the best drive ever. The feeling of speed is amazing. Unlearning allthe > >breaking points in GPL was hard, and learning to keep the foot down flat, > >but when you do, WOW!! Give it a go. Someone needs to beat him (if I doI'll > >be writing to BAR demanding my race seat ;) ) > > Dozens of people have 5:40's at the simbin ring in F1C. I'm surprised > Davidson considers 5:50 fast when I've done mid 55's and I hate the > sim. The Kvako version got high kerbs, it' slower than the Simbin con-version off course, you can't cut nothing. Days ago, me and my friend of Gtitalia have run a 3 hours of free 'Ring1.1 online session with che old dear GTR2002, menaging a 7.13 in the Diablo, and Sandman with the 911 Gt2 a 7.17. (cluth help only). We love that track. cheers el

I haven't seen any replays of people doing 5:40's at the simbin ring in F1C, so my comments may not necessarily be valid, they are just stereotypes. After seeing quite a few hotlaps replays for other things, it's obvious that people do things that normal drivers wouldn't do in real life. Also, unrealistic setups seem to be used, etc... I'm guessing Davidson, being an actual driver trying to learn something instead of someone attempting to prove his penis size by posting the fastest hotlap on a website, might be going about it in a while different manner.. -- Mike Beauchamp http://www.therevox.com - custom electro-theremins and stuff. http://www.mikebeauchamp.com - mike's personal site. "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:21:17 +0000 (UTC), "THEMAN" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Sorry, wasn't able to find any links to the article (and have no scanner and > >too busy trying to beat the time to copy it). Have managed to get down to > >5.56.3 on the ETCC version. Its not too bumpy, infact the v1.1 update makes > >it bumpier. I never thought of running the F1 car around it, but it makes > >for the best drive ever. The feeling of speed is amazing. Unlearning all the > >breaking points in GPL was hard, and learning to keep the foot down flat, > >but when you do, WOW!! Give it a go. Someone needs to beat him (if I do I'll > >be writing to BAR demanding my race seat ;) ) > > Dozens of people have 5:40's at the simbin ring in F1C. I'm surprised > Davidson considers 5:50 fast when I've done mid 55's and I hate the > sim.

On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:31:42 -0400, "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I'm guessing Davidson, being an actual driver trying to learn something >instead of someone attempting to prove his penis size by posting the fastest >hotlap on a website, might be going about it in a while different manner.. LOL, great comment Mike :) I posted about this article on the RSC forums (F1C 99-02) and it seems to have caused a bit of a stir with fast sim drivers ringing up BAR for job applications as test driver :-) <gross exaggeration, but you get my drift> Maxx

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 00:22:29 GMT, "elwood" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (7 lines)

>The Kvako version got high kerbs, it' slower than the Simbin con-version off >course, you can't cut nothing. >Days ago, me and my friend of Gtitalia have run a 3 hours of free 'Ring1.1 >online session with che old dear GTR2002, >menaging a 7.13 in the Diablo, and Sandman with the 911 Gt2 a 7.17. (cluth >help only). >We love that track.

Kvako, simbin, etcc, xzibit? Could someone give a poor soul a rundown of what's what? How many versions are there really and how do I get them?

"Magnus Svensson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 00:22:29 GMT, "elwood" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >The Kvako version got high kerbs, it' slower than the Simbin con-versionoff > >course, you can't cut nothing. > >Days ago, me and my friend of Gtitalia have run a 3 hours of free'Ring1.1 > >online session with che old dear GTR2002, > >menaging a 7.13 in the Diablo, and Sandman with the 911 Gt2 a 7.17.(cluth

Quoted text (7 lines)

> >help only). > >We love that track. > > Kvako, simbin, etcc, xzibit? > > Could someone give a poor soul a rundown of what's what? How many > versions are there really and how do I get them?

There are 3 or 4 version around, 2 have tha same layout of the '67 of Grand Prix Legend but old version lacks of pitcrews, pitlights and starting lights. The fists version called 'TheRing" came from the abandoned project of the '77mod for gtr2002 of Simbin, converted from Grand Prix Legend. Maybe a leak i don't know :D. someone later adds more details to this version. But the best version imho is here. www.kvako.com The 1.1 version of the Kvako's Nordschelife, it's an hybrid between thw '67 version and the actual layout. Has kerbs, pitcrews, pitlights and starting lights, and you can cut the track, just behind the nordkehre. http://www.gtitalia.com/forum/uploads/post-7-1085867652.jpg So we don't have to do a complete lap before the timer start counting. We have noticed the the timer don't start in F1Ch or mods if you cut. With Gtr2002 works fine, but i prefer do a slow complete lap for warmin'up brakes and tires and off course me. :DD Etcc is the RSR F1Challenge Mod that simulates the European Touring Car Championship. I've tested the 1.1 'ring with VirtuaLm PrototypeC Mod, DTM, Minimod and ETCC and works fine, just some tweaks in the .gbd and .scn files. el

Magnus Svensson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted text (14 lines)

> On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 00:22:29 GMT, "elwood" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >The Kvako version got high kerbs, it' slower than the Simbin con-version off > >course, you can't cut nothing. > >Days ago, me and my friend of Gtitalia have run a 3 hours of free 'Ring1.1 > >online session with che old dear GTR2002, > >menaging a 7.13 in the Diablo, and Sandman with the 911 Gt2 a 7.17. (cluth > >help only). > >We love that track. > > Kvako, simbin, etcc, xzibit? > > Could someone give a poor soul a rundown of what's what? How many > versions are there really and how do I get them?

OK - here's one version of events ;) - Simbin are the one's who made the brilliant series of FIA-GT mods for F1-2kX, culminating in GTR-2002 for F1-2002, then went commercial and will be coming out with GTR (based on current FIA-GT) sometime this year. While they were doing the free GT mod, they also started work on an F1-77 mod. Part of this work included converting the GPL Nordschleife track, smoothing the track geometry since the ISI engine cars actually drive on the track polygons. Xzibit-A posted a beta version on his website - which ticked alot of people off. He also did a conversion of GTR-2002 to the F1C engine. He claims permission from everyone but Ian Bell, but I have no idea of the exact details. Kvako's Nordschleife update is a brilliant update to the track. ETCC is Racesims Revolutions' European Touring Car Championship mod for F1c. I don't have links to all these things handy, but you can probably find all you need between: forum.rscnet.org bhmotorspots.com m4driving.com f1simlinks (don't have the URL handy, but consolodates alot of the download links). HTH, Kendt

On 6 Jun 2004 09:26:56 -0700, [email hidden] (Kendt Eklund) wrote:

Quoted text (40 lines)

>Magnus Svensson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... >> On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 00:22:29 GMT, "elwood" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >The Kvako version got high kerbs, it' slower than the Simbin con-version off >> >course, you can't cut nothing. >> >Days ago, me and my friend of Gtitalia have run a 3 hours of free 'Ring1.1 >> >online session with che old dear GTR2002, >> >menaging a 7.13 in the Diablo, and Sandman with the 911 Gt2 a 7.17. (cluth >> >help only). >> >We love that track. >> >> Kvako, simbin, etcc, xzibit? >> >> Could someone give a poor soul a rundown of what's what? How many >> versions are there really and how do I get them? > >OK - here's one version of events ;) - > >Simbin are the one's who made the brilliant series of FIA-GT mods for >F1-2kX, culminating in GTR-2002 for F1-2002, then went commercial and >will be coming out with GTR (based on current FIA-GT) sometime this >year. >While they were doing the free GT mod, they also started work on an >F1-77 mod. Part of this work included converting the GPL Nordschleife >track, smoothing the track geometry since the ISI engine cars actually >drive on the track polygons. >Xzibit-A posted a beta version on his website - which ticked alot of >people off. He also did a conversion of GTR-2002 to the F1C engine. >He claims permission from everyone but Ian Bell, but I have no idea of >the exact details. >Kvako's Nordschleife update is a brilliant update to the track. >ETCC is Racesims Revolutions' European Touring Car Championship mod >for F1c. >I don't have links to all these things handy, but you can probably >find all you need between: >forum.rscnet.org >bhmotorspots.com >m4driving.com >f1simlinks (don't have the URL handy, but consolodates alot of the >download links).

Thanks both for replying, much appreciated. I knew about the ETCC mod, I had already installed it, but it seemed like some people talked about an ETCC-version of Nordschleife... but maybe not? I tracked down the kvako version, but I can't get it to work in F1C, though.

Magnus Svensson <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

Quoted text (11 lines)

> > Thanks both for replying, much appreciated. > > I knew about the ETCC mod, I had already installed it, but it seemed > like some people talked about an ETCC-version of Nordschleife... but > maybe not? > > I tracked down the kvako version, but I can't get it to work in F1C, > though. > >

Go to this site and dload a version of Nordschleife already setup for ETCC. http://hsw.hu/etcc03tracks/etcc.htm then unzipp the Kvakos updates into the same folder...should be etc03seasondata\circuits\nordschleife

I've been reading this thread and downloaded the "for all mods in F1Challenge" version of the Nordschleife from http://www.kvako.com/. I unzipped it and copied the files to a folder called "Nordschleife". My WinZip is set not to create folders so this may not be necessary if you have that option enabled. I then copied that Nordschleife folder to C:\Program Files\EA SPORTS\F1 Challenge 99-02\SeasonData\Circuits I ran the game and it loaded the circuit fine in "Test Day" mode. I didn't actually play it as my wheel isn't hooked up right now. Hope this helps... - F50 GT Magnus Svensson wrote:

Quoted text (10 lines)

> Thanks both for replying, much appreciated. > > I knew about the ETCC mod, I had already installed it, but it seemed > like some people talked about an ETCC-version of Nordschleife... but > maybe not? > > I tracked down the kvako version, but I can't get it to work in F1C, > though. > >

On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 13:56:29 -0300, F50 GT <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (17 lines)

>I've been reading this thread and downloaded the "for all mods in >F1Challenge" version of the Nordschleife from http://www.kvako.com/. > >I unzipped it and copied the files to a folder called "Nordschleife". >My WinZip is set not to create folders so this may not be necessary if >you have that option enabled. > >I then copied that Nordschleife folder to > >C:\Program Files\EA SPORTS\F1 Challenge 99-02\SeasonData\Circuits > >I ran the game and it loaded the circuit fine in "Test Day" mode. I >didn't actually play it as my wheel isn't hooked up right now. > >Hope this helps... > > - F50 GT

Hey! good spot! Thanks. Released yesterday apparently.

I just tried out the kvako Nordschleife with ETCC, and it is very cool! It doesn't look bad at all, but the loop-around doens't seem to work for me. I took the FWD Honda out and turned a 8:55 after 2 laps, very fun... I can't wait to learn this track.. -- Mike Beauchamp http://www.therevox.com - custom electro-theremins and stuff. http://www.mikebeauchamp.com - mike's personal site. "Magnus Svensson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 13:56:29 -0300, F50 GT <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I've been reading this thread and downloaded the "for all mods in > >F1Challenge" version of the Nordschleife from http://www.kvako.com/. > > > >I unzipped it and copied the files to a folder called "Nordschleife". > >My WinZip is set not to create folders so this may not be necessary if > >you have that option enabled. > > > >I then copied that Nordschleife folder to > > > >C:\Program Files\EA SPORTS\F1 Challenge 99-02\SeasonData\Circuits > > > >I ran the game and it loaded the circuit fine in "Test Day" mode. I > >didn't actually play it as my wheel isn't hooked up right now. > > > >Hope this helps... > > > > - F50 GT > > Hey! good spot! Thanks. > > Released yesterday apparently. >

> Using Dave Noonan's converted Nurburgring with the TPTCC cars from >theuspits.com I've gotten just short of 1 minute faster with the Viper >than with the GPL lotus, but that is Nr2k3 and it's mods. Man - at 8:24 I'm *slower* with the TPTCC than in GPL(8:20) Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in news:[email hidden]:

Quoted text (7 lines)

>> Using Dave Noonan's converted Nurburgring with the TPTCC cars from >>theuspits.com I've gotten just short of 1 minute faster with the Viper >>than with the GPL lotus, but that is Nr2k3 and it's mods. > > Man - at 8:24 I'm *slower* with the TPTCC than in GPL(8:20) > > Eldred

yeah but how many GPL laps did you put in to get down into the low 8 range? It's been a while...but my Ring time with the Ferrari was 9:13 I think, and that represented a fairly big leap from my previous best. I've run 2 or 3 8:20 laps with tptcc. I 'think' a clean lap would shave 5 to 10 more seconds without any other improvements in my driving. So...come back when your TPTCC laps equal your GPL lap counts. ps...I tried to use the F1c CART mod, the tires have a fair amount of grip compared to the F1 cars...slower reving and all, a much more comfortable drive for me, but I've never completed a timed lap...it keeps Crashing to Desktop...ratzo dave henrie

"Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:10:26 +0000 (UTC), THEMAN wrote: > > In this weeks autosport there is an article about Anthony Davidsondriving

Quoted text (9 lines)

> > F1C around the nordschleife!! He does it in 5.50.4 in the 2002 BAR. Have > > been trying to beat it today butonly got 5.59.3 (just with low traction > > control). Am gonna beat him if it kills me!! > > > > thanks for the note, would you care to put up some links with scans of > the article? > Cheers, > uwe

Just got it here in Canada. Do people still want it? If so I'll put it on the ole flatbed scanner? Rudeboy

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:16:44 GMT, Rudeboy wrote: > Just got it here in Canada. > Do people still want it? If so I'll put it on the ole flatbed scanner? > That would be cool, thanks in advance! Uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61