Advice for GP Fans

Here's some helpful advice for all the folks here who said Vilineuve would never win the GP championship: Take a crowbar, and jam it right in there into your mouth. You may have to work it around a bit to get it by your foot. Once you have it solidly in place get a friend to give a good push on on the bar, and that should pry your foot right out of there. You're welcome! Joe

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>Here's some helpful advice for all the folks here who said Vilineuve >would never win the GP championship: >Take a crowbar, and jam it right in there into your mouth. You may >have to work it around a bit to get it by your foot. Once you have it >solidly in place get a friend to give a good push on on the bar, and >that should pry your foot right out of there.

While you're at it make sure that you have a German team-mate who can help you catch up all the time you lost through mistakes, and put you back on your rival's tail.... Seriously, great drive by JV and I was delighted that he won - esp. after I saw Schumi's blatant attempt to take him off. What a way to show-off F1 to the world, nice going Mikey. Cheers! John

Could not agree more! >Here's some helpful advice for all the folks here who said Vilineuve >would never win the GP championship: >Take a crowbar, etc

>would have the skill advantage. He is the second best driver in F1 >(Rubens Barrichello is always first). Jacques was born about 10mins >from my house, so here everyone is doing parties, stuff, enjoying all of >that moment (and drinking beer alot even if there's 50cm of snow >outside!!!). I think you must have drunk too much of that beer if you think Rubens and BabyJacques are the two best drivers in F1! Where would you rate Schumacher, third? <roaring with laughter> Jacques is good, but he made far too many mistakes under pressure at Jerez to really be considered one of the greats. Think about Senna's drive in 1988 from 14th place to first at Suzuka, or Schumacher's impeccable drive at Aida in 1995. As for Rubens, he's pretty competent but never exactly set the track on fire at Jordan did he? A lot of Brazilian eyes turned to him as the new Senna, a heavy weight to carry, but he's impressed only fleetingly. Cheers! John

> But Jacques >would have the skill advantage. He is the second best driver in F1 >(Rubens Barrichello is always first). ROFL! (I hope you're not being serious....) Gilles was a very talented driver, but "best driver ever"? Quite possibly the best person at handling a car but the really great drivers such as Fangio, Moss, Clark, Stewart, Lauda and Senna knew rather more about driving to win than merely driving to be fast. Something Jacques seems to have learned, incidentally. Cheers, Richard

Seriously, the only thing Schumi should have done, was to let Jacques run with his rear-tyre over his front-tyre. This would have sent Jacques in the air and would have left Schumi with a broken front-suspension, but with the championship and nobody to blame........ Yes, yes, yes, I know I had 4 days to come up with this, but it's a good one! Cheers, Harald (who hates Williams)

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>>would have the skill advantage. He is the second best driver in F1 >>(Rubens Barrichello is always first). Jacques was born about 10mins >>from my house, so here everyone is doing parties, stuff, enjoying all of >>that moment (and drinking beer alot even if there's 50cm of snow >>outside!!!). >I think you must have drunk too much of that beer if you think Rubens >and BabyJacques are the two best drivers in F1! Where would you rate >Schumacher, third? <roaring with laughter>

I think Schumaker drunk too much beer before the final race then perhaps he may have seen Jacque flying up the inside, but then again Schumaker is never wrong...This time golden gonads dropped a bo**ock, he dented not only his image but that of F1. Anyway whoose gonna write the patch for GP2 which emulates Schumakers feat ?

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> >would have the skill advantage. He is the second best driver in F1 > >(Rubens Barrichello is always first). Jacques was born about 10mins > >from my house, so here everyone is doing parties, stuff, enjoying all of > >that moment (and drinking beer alot even if there's 50cm of snow > >outside!!!). > I think you must have drunk too much of that beer if you think Rubens > and BabyJacques are the two best drivers in F1! Where would you rate > Schumacher, third? <roaring with laughter> > Jacques is good, but he made far too many mistakes under pressure at > Jerez to really be considered one of the greats. > Cheers! > John

Not that I'm a Villeneuve fan (I'm not), but exactly what mistakes did Jacques make at Jerez? I think he did an adequate job of bringing home a wounded car for 3rd place and the '97 WC. He let the McLarens past by plan. Jacques' start was not too fantastic, but otherwise he drove a competent race. As for Schumi, the in-car view of his "incident" with Jacques speaks volumes. Sure he's a great driver, but he's also a terribly poor sport. Payback for what he did to Damon in '94. The Nov. 11 FIA hearing should prove interesting.

% True Jacques was the one who hit the side of MS's Ferrari Aw, but Michael put it there. ;-) -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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> >Not that I'm a Villeneuve fan (I'm not), but exactly what mistakes did > >Jacques make at Jerez? I think he did an adequate job of bringing home > >a wounded car for 3rd place and the '97 WC. > How many times did you see Jacques stepping over the limit and running > across the kerb onto the grass? That loses him time, and gets dirt all > over his tires which loses more time. How mnay times did you see > Michael do that?

Can we say he have still some of his father's ***. I think this means that he's racing at the maximum of the car can possibility do. Same thing with Senna and Prost. Two different driving style on the same track but each of them are masters of F1. And btw, did you know that Frank Williams during the race went to McLaren's stand to talk with them ??? (Ah ha !) He actually said to them to not mess up with Jacques during the last 20 laps of the race, and to stay behind him. In exchange JV would let the two McLaren pass by on the last lap. This is a fact prooven by each of the drivers (JV, HHF, MH and DC). That's whay also you started to see Irvine at the end of the race. He was getting closer and closer of them. Without E.Irvine Schumi wouldn't have been anywhere near Jacques. With great respect, May the downforce be with you, Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) AWPSS Director of Simracing [link lost in import] SRHoF Director [link lost in import] AWPSS Official PR [link lost in import] LIGHT-SPEED Co-director [link lost in import] - *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -

JV made a lot of mistakes all through the season, Jerez included (actually Jerez was a reasonable race for him, and his passing move on MS (migod, another MS, I never noticed that before) was good. Good enough in fact that it caught MS out and he was unable to make an 'accidental' collision, instead coming out with that late and blatant looking effort instead. From the in-car it looked like he decided not to hit him then thought 'what have i got to lose': only the admiration of the entire world Michael! As a life long Ferrari fan I'd just like to say one thing - ***. Anyway back to JV. He seemed to drive a whole lot better when under pressure. When he should of won comfortably he usually fell off the track (as RBarricello would put it). Also off the track he really didn't handle the pressure well at all. DHill had the same problem season before. Up until that *** of a manoevure MS outshine everyone else by a long way (actually DH impressed at times). I think having actually won will remove a lot of pressure from JV and we'll see more of his natural talent next year. Remember he should have been untouchable this year, but made so, so many mistakes. Brian

Sorry, it was Patrick Head that went to speak to Ron Dennis, Frank's the one in the wheelchair!! regards

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> >> >On Sun, 02 Nov 1997 01:54:33 -0500, Nanker Pheldge > >> >>Not that I'm a Villeneuve fan (I'm not), but exactly what > mistakes did > >> >>Jacques make at Jerez? I think he did an adequate job of > bringing home > >> >>a wounded car for 3rd place and the '97 WC. > >> >How many times did you see Jacques stepping over the limit and > running > >> >across the kerb onto the grass? That loses him time, and gets dirt > all > >> >over his tires which loses more time. How mnay times did you see > >> >Michael do that? > >> >Jacques drove superbly in the second half of the race, but the > first > >> >half was pretty sloppy. Without HHF Jacques wouldn't have been > >> >anywhere near Michael. > >> >Cheers! > >> >John > >> True Jacques was the one who hit the side of MS's Ferrari > > Jaques hit who???? Open your eyes and watch the replay, which > clearly > shows > >Schu hesitate and then upon Villeneuve entering the picture, turned > hard > >right thus Schu hit Jaques > Watch the in car cam, the bonehead jumped the grass and hit the gap > that was > already closed. You think a guy will turn himself onto the grass after > trying to hit someone

Very funny comment! Even Niki Lauda, who often claims Schumacher to be one of the best drivers, says clearly in an interview with the Australian Daily Telegraph, that Schumachers action was intended and his fault only. He would even suspend such drivers (like in football) for the next race without giving them the opportunity to enter a protest against this. Why can't you be fair, are you such a sick fan? I am really neither a Villeneuve nor a Schumacher fan, but tell me of one PROFESSIONAL comment (from a professional (ex-)driver or journalist) that says it was Villeneuve's fault. I was really interested about this, read the comments, etc. and THERE IS NONE. The italic press, even the german press, made Schumacher responsible for the incident. Face it: Schumacher is simply a bad loser, he was lucky with Hill, but f***ed it up this year.

>Yes I am serious. Think about that. Rubhino is with Steward-Ford, the >newest team in F1. Check out his earlier results. Rubens is a wonderfully nice chap and probably the most genuine person amongst the current F1 drivers. But he has yet to demonstrate that he is world champion calibre. He's still young though, so it may well come to pass. Check out any footage you can find of Ronnie Peterson. Different eras, different cars but Peterson was just as adept as Gilles for pushing a car beyond its limits. Anyway, this is getting a little off-topic, so I'll shut up <g> Cheers, Richard