Motorcycle sims?

Although this isn't related to automobiles, has anyone tried Manx by Sega or Moto Racer by EA? Are either worth buying? Thanks. Scott Yu

Neither one are 'sims'--they are arcade racers. For example, in Moto Racer there is no variable braking. It is either on or off. And the driving physics are wrong when it comes to cornering as it relates to braking and acceleration. For example, if I were to shut off the throttle on my Triumph while cornering I'd be thrown off the 'high side'. No such *** things occur in Moto Racer. That said, Moto Racer is a blast to play and I highly recommend it. Just remember, it ain't a sim. Dan P. _______________ Remove 99 in my address to reply

> Although this isn't related to automobiles, has anyone tried Manx by Sega > or Moto Racer by EA? Are either worth buying? Thanks. > Scott Yu I've had both -- still have MotoRacer, took ManxTT back ... MotoRacer is FAR superior in every way to Manx... but they are arcade racers, not sims ... Doug

I can second Dan's comments... Moto Racer is a bit "arcadish" (relative to the top driving sims), but extremely fun! On a decent system, it's also unbelievably fast! On a P2/300 with a 3dfx card, I'd say it produces the greatest sensation of speed of any sim I've tried. It's simply amazing how fast the bikes fly by in the replays! At our last network *** party I convinced some guys to try it (we usually stick with strategy or flight sims). Five of us started racing and we ended up playing for hours! Everyone was really surprised at how much fun it was! Supposedly it plays pretty good over the Internet, too. I would recommend it to anyone, and if you like motorcycle racing, I'd say it's a "must". FWIW, I've heard so many terrible things about Manx I haven't even bothered to look at it... Sean > Although this isn't related to automobiles, has anyone tried Manx by Sega > or Moto Racer by EA? Are either worth buying? Thanks. > Scott Yu

I'll second that. On my P166MMX with a R3D it sometimes seems too fast, especially when running at 514x384 resolution. Regards Andrew

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> I can second Dan's comments... Moto Racer is a bit "arcadish" (relative to > the top driving sims), but extremely fun! On a decent system, it's also > unbelievably fast! On a P2/300 with a 3dfx card, I'd say it produces the > greatest sensation of speed of any sim I've tried. It's simply amazing how > fast the bikes fly by in the replays! > At our last network *** party I convinced some guys to try it (we usually > stick with strategy or flight sims). Five of us started racing and we ended > up playing for hours! Everyone was really surprised at how much fun it was! > Supposedly it plays pretty good over the Internet, too. I would recommend it > to anyone, and if you like motorcycle racing, I'd say it's a "must". > FWIW, I've heard so many terrible things about Manx I haven't even bothered > to look at it... > Sean > > Although this isn't related to automobiles, has anyone tried Manx by Sega > > or Moto Racer by EA? Are either worth buying? Thanks. > > Scott Yu

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<snip> Not sure that you would "high-side." Shutting the throttle in a corner will throw the weight onto the front wheel and possibly cause it to slide. (A low side.) Conceivably, this could "unweight" the rear end and cause a slide, but I don't *think* this is a "high-side." High-siding occurs under power. The rear end loses traction and then regains grip. The energy from the sudden grip is transferred to the suspension, which ***ly attempts to control the compression by rebounding to the degree that the rear wheel is lifted off the ground. I didn't think I was stupid enough to be riding fast enough on the street to do this; alas, I am. A few years ago I high-sided on highway one at about 65mph. Mike Ride safe.

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> <snip> > >if I were to shut off the > >throttle on my Triumph while cornering I'd be thrown off the 'high > >side'. No such *** things occur in Moto Racer. > Not sure that you would "high-side." Shutting the throttle in a corner > will throw the weight onto the front wheel and possibly cause it to > slide. (A low side.) Conceivably, this could "unweight" the rear end > and cause a slide, but I don't *think* this is a "high-side." > High-siding occurs under power. The rear end loses traction and then > regains grip. The energy from the sudden grip is transferred to the > suspension, which ***ly attempts to control the compression by > rebounding to the degree that the rear wheel is lifted off the ground. > I didn't think I was stupid enough to be riding fast enough on the > street to do this; alas, I am. A few years ago I high-sided on highway > one at about 65mph.

And I bet you have the road rash to prove it ! OUCH ...

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><snip> >>if I were to shut off the >>throttle on my Triumph while cornering I'd be thrown off the 'high >>side'. No such *** things occur in Moto Racer. >Not sure that you would "high-side." Shutting the throttle in a corner >will throw the weight onto the front wheel and possibly cause it to >slide. (A low side.) Conceivably, this could "unweight" the rear end >and cause a slide, but I don't *think* this is a "high-side." >High-siding occurs under power.

High siding also can be caused by excessive braking into a turn which can cause the rear wheel to lock up and and lose traction altogether. Your bike begins to slide outward from the center of the curve. 'High siding' ultimately means that you exit the bike by being thrown up and over the high side of the bike. Perhaps, technically, you don't high side by turning the throttle off. However, your bike does 'stand up' and centrifical force pushes you 'over' the bike unless you throttle up again and/or regain traction. Fortunately, I've never high sided...but have come close. Sorry for the off topic stuff :-) Dan P. _______________ Remove 99 in my address to reply