Mclaren GR mod for F1C download location?

Anyone have a decent link to download ORSPG McLaren Mod for F1C. On their site it has a link but it takes you somewhere else that doesnt have a download link. Hasnt anyone ever heard of Bitorrent? Mitch

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:D7iic.285$hd5.124 @newssvr27.news.prodigy.com: > Hasnt anyone ever heard of Bitorrent? > > Mitch Bitorrent hasn't really caught on yet here in Race Sim Land. IT does make sense for dialuppers when these huge mods are released. But beyond the BT debate, it shows how were are at the mercy of the vagaries of the internet. Almost every week I've run into lost links due to Race Sim Central's hacking a couple of months ago. I'm still trying get get a fully debugged copy of the 67 version of Sebring and we end up with roadblock after roadblock. A central depository for mods is a good thing, but the chance for loosing files, and mods etc are magnified when you group them all together. For the 3rd time today I'm gonna make the same suggestion.(the first two were elsewhere on forums, not RAS). We should be using alt.binaries.simulators.autos. Perhaps somebody could write an automated robot uploaded that would resend all the mods and carsets and tracks and utilities at predetermined times. This would keep everything current, give it a safe place, take the load off of websites AND discourage software thieves from using OUR newsgroup. I'll try and put up all my Mclaren Stuff there Mitch. dave henrie

>Hasnt anyone ever heard of Bitorrent? GAWD! I'm so sick of that program I wish it had never been made... Damn students attracting DMCA infringement complaints...AUGH! Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

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> A central depository for mods is a good thing, but the chance for > loosing > files, and mods etc are magnified when you group them all together. > > For the 3rd time today I'm gonna make the same suggestion.(the first > two > were elsewhere on forums, not RAS). We should be using > alt.binaries.simulators.autos.

4 parts of mc challenge are up one absa dh

Thanks dave but whats the trick in a binaries group? I see a bunch listed for each part but out of all of em I could only find part one and part two that give me an option to download the actual attachment. Part 3-4 are all gobblity gook ;) Mitch "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > For the 3rd time today I'm gonna make the same suggestion.(the first > > two > > were elsewhere on forums, not RAS). We should be using > > alt.binaries.simulators.autos. > > > 4 parts of mc challenge are up one absa > > dh

You need to get over this "lowest common denominator" reasoning Eldred ;) Yea people are stupid all over but do we all need to suffer because of a few? Bitorrent is GREAT at what it does. Just cause a bunch of crooked college boys and girls use it for illegal purposes isnt a valid reason to dis it :)) Mitch "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >Hasnt anyone ever heard of Bitorrent? > > GAWD! I'm so sick of that program I wish it had never been made... Damn > students attracting DMCA infringement complaints...AUGH! > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Screamers League > IICC League > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > N2k3 rank:in progress > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > US East

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:0Rmic.40535$[email hidden]:

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> Thanks dave but whats the trick in a binaries group? I see a bunch > listed for each part but out of all of em I could only find part one > and part two that give me an option to download the actual attachment. > Part 3-4 are all gobblity gook ;) > > Mitch >> dh > >

you might try a different newsgroup reader. I use Xnews and was able to dload the 4th part...the smallest...with no troubles. There are other newsgroup dloaders that work well also, but the names escape me. Hopefully somebody else can chime in. dh

Why would it be the newsreader? I was able to get 1 and 2 ok. I dont think it's finished uploading to the server quite yet as Ive seen a few new ones pop up this last time I checked. Ill wait over night and get back at ya. Thanks Mitch "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > you might try a different newsgroup reader. I use Xnews and was able to > dload the 4th part...the smallest...with no troubles. > There are other newsgroup dloaders that work well also, but the names > escape me. Hopefully somebody else can chime in. > > dh

Bit Torrent is exactly the same as downloading from a server. The only difference is that the people downloading contribute their spare uploading capacity to the overall bandwidth. As you say, anyone who dis's BT simply doesn't understand it.

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> You need to get over this "lowest common denominator" reasoning Eldred ;) > Yea people are stupid all over but do we all need to suffer because of a > few? Bitorrent is GREAT at what it does. Just cause a bunch of crooked > college boys and girls use it for illegal purposes isnt a valid reason to > dis it :)) > > Mitch

Its the "lowest common denominator" that ruin it for the good reasons to have something like bittorrent around. If you we could somehow get rid of all the illegal activity on those types of technologies, there would be plenty of people that would jump on it.

Ok it was the newsreader ;) On a side note Xnews is great! Thanks again Mr. Henrie Mitch

>You need to get over this "lowest common denominator" reasoning Eldred ;) >Yea people are stupid all over but do we all need to suffer because of a >few? Bitorrent is GREAT at what it does. Just cause a bunch of crooked >college boys and girls use it for illegal purposes isnt a valid reason to >dis it :)) The problem with BitTorrent is that anything you download is automatically shared. It isn't like KaZaa, where you can disable sharing and download all you want. Our position is that we don't penalize people who download, but we penalize those who share and get caught. Since BT shares all the time, and it's so popular, I want it to die a slow painful death and burn in hell... :-( Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

>Bit Torrent is exactly the same as downloading from a server. The only >difference is that the people downloading contribute their spare uploading >capacity to the overall bandwidth. As you say, anyone who dis's BT simply >doesn't understand it. > I understand it *perfectly*, and no it isn't the same. If you download from a server, you're not automatically sharing out to the world. With BitTorrent, you do. That means that the agents of music and movie copyright holders can and do discover people with infringing material on their systems. I get e-mail every day reporting copyright infringement, and I have to deal with the situation all the time. THAT is why I hate BitTorrent. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

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>>Bit Torrent is exactly the same as downloading from a server. The >>only difference is that the people downloading contribute their spare >>uploading capacity to the overall bandwidth. As you say, anyone who >>dis's BT simply doesn't understand it. >> > > I understand it *perfectly*, and no it isn't the same. If you > download from a server, you're not automatically sharing out to the > world. With BitTorrent, you do. That means that the agents of music > and movie copyright holders can and do discover people with infringing > material on their systems. I get e-mail every day reporting copyright > infringement, and I have to deal with the situation all the time. > THAT is why I hate BitTorrent. > > Eldred

Ya See Damien, Eldred is a University Admin type guy. He's responsible for all the systems online at some teeny tiny podunk college in Michigan. It may even have been the one that NARROWLY avoided defeat at the hands of the WSU Cougars in the Rose Bowl a few years back. But I digress... One man's savior is an Admin's worst nightmare. dave henrie

Your issues SHOULD be with theDMCA and it's publishers. Bitorrent does it's job EXACTLY as it was designed and it does it EXTREMELY well. Youre just mad cause youre caught in the middle of this moronic war ;) IMO youre attacking an innocent bystander that does nothing wrong by itself. Im still trying to get Mclaren mod for F1C. It's been days now when it couldve taken minutes using Bitorrent. But using your logic, kill the messenger ;) Mitch "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> >>Bit Torrent is exactly the same as downloading from a server. The > >>only difference is that the people downloading contribute their spare > >>uploading capacity to the overall bandwidth. As you say, anyone who > >>dis's BT simply doesn't understand it. > >> > > > > I understand it *perfectly*, and no it isn't the same. If you > > download from a server, you're not automatically sharing out to the > > world. With BitTorrent, you do. That means that the agents of music > > and movie copyright holders can and do discover people with infringing > > material on their systems. I get e-mail every day reporting copyright > > infringement, and I have to deal with the situation all the time. > > THAT is why I hate BitTorrent.

Point taken but that's hardly BT's fault. If you're downloading something illegal that's your (or your friendly admin's) problem. ;-)

On 25 Apr 2004 00:06:52 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >The problem with BitTorrent is that anything you download is automatically >shared. It isn't like KaZaa, where you can disable sharing and download all >you want. Our position is that we don't penalize people who download, but we >penalize those who share and get caught. Since BT shares all the time, and >it's so popular, I want it to die a slow painful death and burn in hell... :-( So if someone sends illegal software via the post, you would advocate shutting down the complete postal network? -- Andrew. To email unscramble [email hidden] & remove spamtrap. Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim messages to quote only relevant text. Check groups.google.com before asking a question.

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>Your issues SHOULD be with theDMCA and it's publishers. Bitorrent does it's >job EXACTLY as it was designed and it does it EXTREMELY well. Youre just >mad cause youre caught in the middle of this moronic war ;) IMO youre >attacking an innocent bystander that does nothing wrong by itself. > >Im still trying to get Mclaren mod for F1C. It's been days now when it >couldve taken minutes using Bitorrent. But using your logic, kill the >messenger ;)

You guys just aren't getting it, so I'm dropping out of this discussion. Have a nice day... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

okie dokey "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > You guys just aren't getting it, so I'm dropping out of this discussion. Have > a nice day... > > Eldred

okie dokey getting it, so I'm dropping out of this discussion. Have

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Your issues SHOULD be with theDMCA and it's publishers. Bitorrent doesit's

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> >job EXACTLY as it was designed and it does it EXTREMELY well. Youre just > >mad cause youre caught in the middle of this moronic war ;) IMO youre > >attacking an innocent bystander that does nothing wrong by itself. > > > >Im still trying to get Mclaren mod for F1C. It's been days now when it > >couldve taken minutes using Bitorrent. But using your logic, kill the > >messenger ;) > > You guys just aren't getting it, so I'm dropping out of this discussion.

Have > a nice day... Good idea, you had such a poor argument anyway.

On the bright side I finally managed to grab up McLaren mod. Pretty nice but I like the Prototype C a bit better :) Anyone hear any news on ETCC Evolution? Mitch "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Your issues SHOULD be with theDMCA and it's publishers. Bitorrent doesit's

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> >job EXACTLY as it was designed and it does it EXTREMELY well. Youre just > >mad cause youre caught in the middle of this moronic war ;) IMO youre > >attacking an innocent bystander that does nothing wrong by itself. > > > >Im still trying to get Mclaren mod for F1C. It's been days now when it > >couldve taken minutes using Bitorrent. But using your logic, kill the > >messenger ;) > > You guys just aren't getting it, so I'm dropping out of this discussion.

Have

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> a nice day... > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Screamers League > IICC League > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > N2k3 rank:in progress > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > US East

>> You guys just aren't getting it, so I'm dropping out of this discussion. >Have >> a nice day... > >Good idea, you had such a poor argument anyway. > Ouch, that hurts. A random insult from a namless, faceless coward... Once again, since comprehension seems to be your weak point: BitTorrent doesn't allow people to disable sharing. Therefore if people use it to download copyrighted stuff, the run the risk of being nailed by a copyright holder or representative. I get hundreds of DMCA complaints about our students every year. Therefore, it directly affects my daily workload. I tell the affected students to uninstall BitTorrent. You don't like that, I really don't GIVE a fuck. You can take your lame comment, turn it sideways, and shove it up your candy-ass... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >> You guys just aren't getting it, so I'm dropping out of thisdiscussion.

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> >Have > >> a nice day... > > > >Good idea, you had such a poor argument anyway. > > > > Ouch, that hurts. A random insult from a namless, faceless coward... > Once again, since comprehension seems to be your weak point: > BitTorrent doesn't allow people to disable sharing. Therefore if people

use it > to download copyrighted stuff, the run the risk of being nailed by acopyright > holder or representative. I get hundreds of DMCA complaints about ourstudents > every year. Therefore, it directly affects my daily workload. I tell the > affected students to uninstall BitTorrent. You don't like that, I reallydon't > GIVE a fuck. You can take your lame comment, turn it sideways, and shoveit up > your candy-ass... LOL! Ok, we'll all uninstall bit-torrent because you don't like it and it affects YOUR life :)

I see Mr. Simmons lessons are paying off ;) (Im just joking so dont get them panties wadded up, hehe). Seriously though Eldred you chimed in and some of us disagreed. No sense getting upset about it. To each his own. I like BT and you don't, in the big scheme does it really matter in the least? I personally don't think so. Just wait till GTR hits the "shelves" and none of us can get it for X number of days as the few free servers that are available get hammered. Bitorrent can legally and easily handle the heavy load and we can all benefit with quicker downloads. How does this relate to illegal downloading on some college campus? This is the same logic that gun control lobbyists use to take away our guns. What comes next? Mitch "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message . You don't like that, I really don't > GIVE a fuck. You can take your lame comment, turn it sideways, and shoveit up > your candy-ass... > > Eldred

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>>>You guys just aren't getting it, so I'm dropping out of this discussion. >> >>Have >> >>>a nice day... >> >>Good idea, you had such a poor argument anyway. >> > > > Ouch, that hurts. A random insult from a namless, faceless coward... > Once again, since comprehension seems to be your weak point: > BitTorrent doesn't allow people to disable sharing. Therefore if people use it > to download copyrighted stuff, the run the risk of being nailed by a copyright > holder or representative. I get hundreds of DMCA complaints about our students > every year. Therefore, it directly affects my daily workload. I tell the > affected students to uninstall BitTorrent. You don't like that, I really don't > GIVE a fuck. You can take your lame comment, turn it sideways, and shove it up > your candy-ass... > > Eldred

Well, Eldred, based on that IMHO BitTorrent actuallly is a better program, becuase it allows the risk of all the pirate FU*** getting caught, which you should appreciate apparently being in the position you are in. Lets face it, if they all get caught AND punished, then all your DMCA complaints go away. As a Sys Admin like I am, sure my workload is higher now, but when they all get caught and get kicked around a little, my job will be easier. You know as well as anyone, until they get caught, they arent ever going to stop downloading illegal crap.

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>I see Mr. Simmons lessons are paying off ;) > >(Im just joking so dont get them panties wadded up, hehe). > >Seriously though Eldred you chimed in and some of us disagreed. No sense >getting upset about it. To each his own. I like BT and you don't, in the >big scheme does it really matter in the least? I personally don't think so.

Since my mom has been in the hospital, I find I have a lot less tolerance for assholes like pig-face. Apologies to the group, except him. But my reasoning for originally trying to end this discussion is this. I'm not going to change your mind, and you're not going to change mine. I will continue to tell students who get reported for DMCA to remove BitTorrent. And I will do so with a clear conscience. So sue me...<g> Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

I hope everything is ok with your Mom or will be soon. Life has a tendancy to get in the way of our sim racing (and arguing) but at times like this it really is irrelevant. Take care Eldred.. Mitch "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Since my mom has been in the hospital, I find I have a lot less tolerance for

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> assholes like pig-face. Apologies to the group, except him. > > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Screamers League > IICC League > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > N2k3 rank:in progress > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > US East

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Since my mom has been in the hospital, I find I have a lot less tolerancefor > assholes like pig-face. Apologies to the group, except him. You're very mean.

>I hope everything is ok with your Mom or will be soon. Life has a tendancy >to get in the way of our sim racing (and arguing) but at times like this it >really is irrelevant. Take care Eldred.. Thanks, Mitch. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

>You're very mean. > I'm sure you'll get over it... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

Boy, this has been an education. The funny(?) thing about the whole situation is that I don't have a problem with people downloading stuff. I don't even have a problem with people sharing stuff. Anybody who really knows me here *should* know that, but that's another discussion. However, on our network, we can't allow people to share copyrighted files(that may make the university liable), and I have to take any steps possible to prevent it. It's my job as network administrator to ensure the integrity of the network. I've even told students that we don't care that you download, as long as you're not using a disproportionate amount of bandwidth. We don't penalize for downloading. Sharing is a different matter. I don't believe I ever told anyone here not to use BitTorrent, or condemmed their use for it. I only stated that *I* hate the program, and explained why. I got jumped on simply for stating my opinion. That's a little disappointing(especially from some of the people involved), but it's an example of the mob behavior we've seen in this group in the past. Based on some of the replies, it was clear to me that most people weren't understanding my point of view, and nothing was being accomplished on either side. Up to that point, it was civil, but no one's mind was being changed. So I stopped my side of the discussion, basically agreeing to disagree. Some random yahoo takes that as a cue to attack. I respond to that attack, but somehow that makes *me* the bad guy? I don't see that as being fair either, but live and learn, I guess. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

My irritation wasn't at all directed towards you Eldred. I'd been trying unsuccessfully to d/l the McLaren mod and everywhere I turned was an invalid link or a link that was extremely slow. Bitorrent could easily have solved my dilemma efficiently and effectively was all I was pointing out. Being an admin I fully understand your point but as I said I hate that a few bad apples ruin the entire crop for everyone. Mitch "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Boy, this has been an education. The funny(?) thing about the wholesituation > is that I don't have a problem with people downloading stuff. I don'teven > have a problem with people sharing stuff. Anybody who really knows mehere > *should* know that, but that's another discussion. However, on ournetwork, we > can't allow people to share copyrighted files(that may make the university > liable), and I have to take any steps possible to prevent it. It's my jobas > network administrator to ensure the integrity of the network. I've eventold > students that we don't care that you download, as long as you're not usinga > disproportionate amount of bandwidth. We don't penalize for downloading. > Sharing is a different matter. > > I don't believe I ever told anyone here not to use BitTorrent, orcondemmed > their use for it. I only stated that *I* hate the program, and explainedwhy. > I got jumped on simply for stating my opinion. That's a little > disappointing(especially from some of the people involved), but it's anexample > of the mob behavior we've seen in this group in the past. Based on someof the > replies, it was clear to me that most people weren't understanding mypoint of > view, and nothing was being accomplished on either side. Up to thatpoint, it > was civil, but no one's mind was being changed. So I stopped my side ofthe > discussion, basically agreeing to disagree. Some random yahoo takes thatas a > cue to attack. I respond to that attack, but somehow that makes *me* thebad

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> guy? I don't see that as being fair either, but live and learn, I guess. > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Screamers League > IICC League > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > N2k3 rank:in progress > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > US East

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I don't believe I ever told anyone here not to use BitTorrent, orcondemmed > their use for it. I only stated that *I* hate the program, and explainedwhy. > I got jumped on simply for stating my opinion. That's a little > disappointing(especially from some of the people involved), but it's anexample > of the mob behavior we've seen in this group in the past. Based on someof the > replies, it was clear to me that most people weren't understanding mypoint of > view, and nothing was being accomplished on either side. Up to thatpoint, it > was civil, but no one's mind was being changed. So I stopped my side ofthe > discussion, basically agreeing to disagree. Some random yahoo takes thatas a > cue to attack. I respond to that attack, but somehow that makes *me* thebad > guy? I don't see that as being fair either, but live and learn, I guess. BitTorrent is a great and useful program and I'm very sorry that its existance inconveniences you. The fact that it does inconvenience you however is quite irrelevant, as is the subject of copyrighted material since such material can also be downloaded via just about any other method of internet use. I'm not really sure what your point is? You don't like it because of some legal technicality where its OK to download illegal material as long as you can't be shown to be distributing it? The whole logic of that seems a bit ridiculous, what would you like done exactly?

>My irritation wasn't at all directed towards you Eldred. I'd been trying >unsuccessfully to d/l the McLaren mod and everywhere I turned was an invalid >link or a link that was extremely slow. Bitorrent could easily have solved >my dilemma efficiently and effectively was all I was pointing out. Being an >admin I fully understand your point but as I said I hate that a few bad >apples ruin the entire crop for everyone. After your post, I was planning to offer to host it if someone sent it to me. Got caught up in the yelling match, and totally forgot... I assume you found it now? Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

>BitTorrent is a great and useful program and I'm very sorry that its >existance inconveniences you. The fact that it does inconvenience you >however is quite irrelevant, To you, maybe. Not to me, otherwise I wouldn't have brought it up. >as is the subject of copyrighted material since >such material can also be downloaded via just about any other method of >internet use. I'm not really sure what your point is? That's obvious. >You don't like it >because of some legal technicality where its OK to download illegal material >as long as you can't be shown to be distributing it? The whole logic of >that seems a bit ridiculous, what would you like done exactly? It only seems ridiculous to you because you're not in my situation. That's cool - I can understand that. If people simply download using Kazaa, Gnutella, etc. and have sharing off, the music companies currently don't have the capability to detect what they're downloading. So we couldn't enforce a copyright policy for that. Since it's an educational institution, there are also limits on how much we can lock down the network. I don't like BitTorrent because you can't disable sharing. So if someone on our network uses it for downloading copyrighted files, they are sharing at the same time, and the copyright holders can and do discover it. Since I'm the one who has to field every DMCA complaint for a residence hall user, this program *directly* impacts my workload just by being used on the network. I still don't expect you to agree with me, but hopefully you at least understand my situation a little better... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

Yea I got it, thanks though. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > After your post, I was planning to offer to host it if someone sent it tome. > Got caught up in the yelling match, and totally forgot... > I assume you found it now? > > Eldred > --