N23DFX = Dissapointment over Rendition

Basically 3dfx version is too flushed out, far too much filtering on the objects.. you can hardly read the walls on most tracks. The grandstand looks really grey, and there is also no fogging effects, nothing looks better than rendition, and almost everything looks worse. It is beta so hopefully this will be fixed in the near releases. Regards, Luke Phillips

Luke there is more fog in the game than you could possibly use. You must set it in the n23dfx.bat file. The syntax is in the readme3d.txt. Play with the enviroment settings in this batch file, you will notice many different (and hopefully better) results. The framerate on my machine went way up from using the Stealth 2. It does need a little work though, but I'd say it is much more fluid than the Rendition version. You get a much better feeling of speed. This may be a strange coincidence, but the first trial runs with it, I broke two of my records, which doesn't happen much.

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> Basically 3dfx version is too flushed out, far too much filtering on the > objects.. you can hardly read the walls on most tracks. The grandstand looks > really grey, and there is also no fogging effects, nothing looks better than > rendition, and almost everything looks worse. It is beta so hopefully this > will be fixed in the near releases. > Regards, > Luke Phillips

Luke there is more fog in the game than you could possibly use. You must set it in the n23dfx.bat file. The syntax is in the readme3d.txt. Play with the enviroment settings in this batch file, you will notice many different (and hopefully better) results. The framerate on my machine went way up from using the Stealth 2. It does need a little work though, but I'd say it is much more fluid than the Rendition version. You get a much better feeling of speed. This may be a strange coincidence, but the first trial runs with it, I broke two of my records, which doesn't happen much. Remove the X from my name to reply...

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> Basically 3dfx version is too flushed out, far too much filtering on the > objects.. you can hardly read the walls on most tracks. The grandstand looks > really grey, and there is also no fogging effects, nothing looks better than > rendition, and almost everything looks worse. It is beta so hopefully this > will be fixed in the near releases. > Regards, > Luke Phillips

What 3Dfx card are you using? I have a Stealth II and a Monster 3D, and I would like to know if I should try the 3Dfx patch.

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> Luke there is more fog in the game than you could possibly use. You must set it > in the n23dfx.bat file. The syntax is in the readme3d.txt. Play with the > enviroment settings in this batch file, you will notice many different (and > hopefully better) results. The framerate on my machine went way up from using > the Stealth 2. It does need a little work though, but I'd say it is much more > fluid than the Rendition version. You get a much better feeling of speed. This > may be a strange coincidence, but the first trial runs with it, I broke two of > my records, which doesn't happen much. Remove the X from my name to reply... > > Basically 3dfx version is too flushed out, far too much filtering on the > > objects.. you can hardly read the walls on most tracks. The grandstand looks > > really grey, and there is also no fogging effects, nothing looks better than > > rendition, and almost everything looks worse. It is beta so hopefully this > > will be fixed in the near releases. > > Regards, > > Luke Phillips

On Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:23:21 +1000, "Luke Phillips"

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>Basically 3dfx version is too flushed out, far too much filtering on the >objects.. you can hardly read the walls on most tracks. The grandstand looks >really grey, and there is also no fogging effects, nothing looks better than >rendition, and almost everything looks worse. It is beta so hopefully this >will be fixed in the near releases. > Regards, > Luke Phillips

I hope you don't believe that Papyrus/Sierra will be releasing another patch. I wouldn't doubt if this is the only 3Dfx patch made available for Nascar2. If there is another, it will be "beta", and then they will be pushing Nascar3. Marc. -------- To replay via e-mail, remove "spam." from the beginning of my e-mail address (Tyring to avoid junk mail)

I don't know. Maybe it's my system. I use rendition also and the frame rate even in dos mode is way slower. Very choppy. This is a beta. Maybe some improvements are forth coming. Karter >Basically 3dfx version is too flushed out, far too much filtering on the >objects.. you can hardly read the walls on most tracks. The grandstand looks >really grey, and there is also no fogging effects, nothing looks better than >rendition, and almost everything looks worse. It is beta so hopefully this >will be fixed in the near releases. > Regards, > Luke Phillips

I agree, the Rendition version does look better, at least on my Thriller 3d. A couple things you can do though, is turn on anti-aliasing and fog. The Read-me explains how to do this. Ken The Game Pad http://gamepad.org/

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> Basically 3dfx version is too flushed out, far too much filtering on the > objects.. you can hardly read the walls on most tracks. The grandstand looks > really grey, and there is also no fogging effects, nothing looks better than > rendition, and almost everything looks worse. It is beta so hopefully this > will be fixed in the near releases. > Regards, > Luke Phillips

I have both Rendition and 3Dfx versions, and while filtering is much better with Rendition, speed and esp antialiasing make me switch over to Voodoo version ... Brgds, Hena

>> I have both Rendition and 3Dfx versions, and while filtering is much better

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>> with Rendition, speed and esp antialiasing make me switch over to Voodoo >> version ... >> Brgds, >> Hena >How the heck do you get *more* speed out of the 3DFX version compared to

the >Rendition version?? Are you running the Rendition version in DMA mode? Sure I'm running Rend in DMA mode. Of course I don't have any hard evidence that Glide version is faster, it sure feels like it. I run my P200 at 2.5x83.3 = 208MHz, don't know if the increased PCI performance makes any difference ... Anyway, me too am a bit dissapointed of the patch. I expected much better frame rates. I anticipated the poorer filtering quality, since it has never been Voodoo's strong points. I'm beginning to think that the limiting factor speedwise is the N2 game engine ... Brgds, Hena

Of course the Rendition version is going to be a bit better, N2 was made for Rendition in the first place, what did you all expect? That a patch was going to blow away the way the game was to be played in Rendition mode? At least Sierra and 3dfx were nice enough to do all the work for us for free and even release a 3dfx patch at all. SS

I guess that since the game engine has a maximum frame rate of 30fps that that could be a bit of a limiting factor. I like both versions but I mostly like that fact that my 2d harware options are now wide open. Before I HAD to have a Rendition card. DLB

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> >> I have both Rendition and 3Dfx versions, and while filtering is much > better > >> with Rendition, speed and esp antialiasing make me switch over to Voodoo > >> version ... > >> Brgds, > >> Hena > >How the heck do you get *more* speed out of the 3DFX version compared to > the > >Rendition version?? Are you running the Rendition version in DMA mode? > Sure I'm running Rend in DMA mode. Of course I don't have any hard evidence > that Glide version is faster, it sure feels like it. I run my P200 at > 2.5x83.3 = 208MHz, > don't know if the increased PCI performance makes any difference ... > Anyway, me too am a bit dissapointed of the patch. I expected much better > frame > rates. I anticipated the poorer filtering quality, since it has never been > Voodoo's > strong points. I'm beginning to think that the limiting factor speedwise is > the N2 > game engine ... > Brgds, > Hena

Yep, same here. Though the rendition version is nicer than the patch at the mo I think the greater testure memory of a voodoo2 card will tip the balance. Shame about the haze though, the fog doesn't match it. brian >I guess that since the game engine has a maximum frame rate of 30fps that that >could be a bit of a limiting factor. I like both versions but I mostly like >that fact that my 2d harware options are now wide open. Before I HAD to have a

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>Rendition card. >DLB >> >> I have both Rendition and 3Dfx versions, and while filtering is much >> better >> >> with Rendition, speed and esp antialiasing make me switch over to Voodoo >> >> version ... >> >> Brgds, >> >> Hena >> >How the heck do you get *more* speed out of the 3DFX version compared to >> the >> >Rendition version?? Are you running the Rendition version in DMA mode? >> Sure I'm running Rend in DMA mode. Of course I don't have any hard evidence >> that Glide version is faster, it sure feels like it. I run my P200 at >> 2.5x83.3 = 208MHz, >> don't know if the increased PCI performance makes any difference ... >> Anyway, me too am a bit dissapointed of the patch. I expected much better >> frame >> rates. I anticipated the poorer filtering quality, since it has never been >> Voodoo's >> strong points. I'm beginning to think that the limiting factor speedwise is >> the N2 >> game engine ... >> Brgds, >> Hena

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Hi guys, on my system, it's vice versa. The 3dFX looks much better than the Rendition version. It's either system dependent, although I cannot explain it, or you are doing something wrong with SETting the parameters. Achim

Hi Luke, You gotta be doing something wrong. On my system, the 3dFX patch is pretty gorgeous, everything is smooth and yet crisp. The 3dFX patch beats the Rendition version on all accounts on my system. I can't explain it - but I assume that it's either system dependent in some way, or you're doing something wrong with the SETting of the parameters. Achim

Hi Karter, on my system, the 3dFX patch looks much better and is way faster than the Rendition version. Achim

% Hi Karter, % on my system, the 3dFX patch looks much better and is way faster than the % Rendition version. Just a question, since I have seen you state this in numerous posts. Are you comparing the DMA version of the Rendition N2 and is your motherboard properly configured to give maximum DMA transfer via the PCI bridge? -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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>% Hi Karter, >% on my system, the 3dFX patch looks much better and is way faster than the >% Rendition version. >Just a question, since I have seen you state this in numerous posts. >Are you comparing the DMA version of the Rendition N2 and is your >motherboard properly configured to give maximum DMA transfer via the PCI >bridge?

And I was just going to ask if his rendition card was porked :-) You beat me to it Michael! -- Header intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.