TPTCC newb questions

Finally d'l the mod. I've got v 2.3 main installer and v 2.1 carpack. Plan on trying it out this weekend. Is this enough to get started? And can anyone point me to a FAQ on TPTCC? Any advice welcomed. TIA Dan

"Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Finally d'l the mod. I've got v 2.3 main installer and v 2.1 carpack. Planon > trying it out this weekend. Is this enough to get started? And can anyonepoint > me to a FAQ on TPTCC? Any advice welcomed. > TIA > DanThe Daytona Road Course is a must have.., as is Le Sarthe (the 24 of LeMans course) and both Sebring (Day and Night versions)...All are available from theuspits.com website. Just a side note...get the Trans mod from Project wildfire...it has better graphics and more downloadable cars... if you are an online racer, you will also find more pickup races and leagues... Both seem to use the same phsysics model so you should be at home with either one. I'm not trying to put down TPTCC- they did a wonderful job but I personally have to give Wildfire's T/A mod ..(hmm) the nod. Helps this helps, Timmy

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Finally d'l the mod. I've got v 2.3 main installer and v 2.1 carpack. Plan on > trying it out this weekend. Is this enough to get started? And can anyone point > me to a FAQ on TPTCC? Any advice welcomed. > TIA > Dan > I *think* the 2.3 main installer includes the (same) cars.

I would recommend Achim's setups to get you started. http://users.skynet.be/AchimT/start.html "Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Finally d'l the mod. I've got v 2.3 main installer and v 2.1 carpack. Plan on trying it out this weekend. Is this enough to get started? And can anyone point me to a FAQ on TPTCC? Any advice welcomed. TIA Dan

Thanks guys. I'll try to get it fired up next week. Dan

> Just a side note...get the Trans mod from Project wildfire...it has better > graphics and more downloadable cars... if you are an online racer, you will > also find more pickup races and leagues... > I'm not trying to put down TPTCC- they did a wonderful job but I personally > have to give Wildfire's T/A mod ..(hmm) the nod. Well, if you were telling the truth about TPTCC, I would say that maybe that you were ok. However, since you haven't, you are putting down TPTCC. Better graphics? Since the ONLY graphics available are the car paintschemes, main menu and cockpit, and I cannot see that one is better than the other, so what's your point? Opinion. More downloadable cars. Obviously, you've not even LOOKED if you say there are more downloadable cars for T/A. Opinion. More pickup races and leagues. Pickup races usually follow what has been released the latest. I'd bet within a few days, AeroWar 88 will have the most pickup races. As far as leagues, I'd say it's about 50/50. While I am certainly biased as to which one I like the most, at least I will tell you my *opinion* is. You are more than welcome to enjoy whatever one you want to, just don't go around cutting down someone else's mod by stating YOUR opinion as fact. Cheers! �� Jan Kohl ::: computer security consultant ::: the pits - http://www.theuspits.com castle graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com

Sorry, but the car models are much higher quality in the PWF mod. Look at the TPTCC Viper - the polys on the rear quarters are going every which way, you can tell by looking at the highlights. And the rear wing is clearly off center to the left side of car. Either that or the rear quarters are far from symmetrical. OTOH it's hard to find a bad poly on the PWF Viper, the highlights look smooth everywhere and everything is symmetrical. Similar comments can be applied to the other cars. Granted, the proportions of some of the PWF cars can be questioned, but the quality of the surfacing and skins is superior to the TPTCC mod. That's not opinion, anybody who takes an objective side-by-side look at both could see the same thing. "Jan Kohl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:s5jec.6409$[email hidden]... > > Better graphics? Since the ONLY graphics available are the carpaintschemes, main menu and cockpit, and I cannot see that one > is better than the other, so what's your point? Opinion. >

> Sorry, but the car models are much higher quality in the PWF mod. Look at > the TPTCC Viper I have not seen what you are talking about, and I race against TPTCC cars almost every day on the track. I have seen the 'stretch' Mustang and other shapes, so I wonder what you base your realism on. �� Jan Kohl ::: computer security consultant ::: the pits - http://www.theuspits.com castle graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com

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> Sorry, but the car models are much higher quality in the PWF mod. > Look at the TPTCC Viper - the polys on the rear quarters are going > every which way, you can tell by looking at the highlights. And the > rear wing is clearly off center to the left side of car. Either that > or the rear quarters are far from symmetrical. OTOH it's hard to find > a bad poly on the PWF Viper, the highlights look smooth everywhere and > everything is symmetrical. Similar comments can be applied to the > other cars. Granted, the proportions of some of the PWF cars can be > questioned, but the quality of the surfacing and skins is superior to > the TPTCC mod. That's not opinion, anybody who takes an objective > side-by-side look at both could see the same thing. > > >

My first thought seeing the PWF Viper was it was much blockier than the TPTCC version. Still think that. Having never SEEN a Comp Coupe except on the tube and in a magazine, I can't say which is closer to the truth..just that PWF seems more like a block than the TPTCC version. I'm a league member of TPTCC and I have used PWF for the 6 hour Daytona Endurance run, but I will admit a bias towards TPTCC. I think the only real advantage that PWF holds is their uniform size(which causes the proportional problems) but allows the correct damage bubble. The PWF JAGs that are AI controlled seem to sit way to high. It's probably just their compromise for the ride-height bug. Otherwise it look great. The PWF Mustang is modeled after a car no longer used by Trans Am...That one is more from the Tommy Kendall days than the Boris Said era. The TPTCC cars look more naturally positioned on the track, but not in replays..track wins And the Vettes? I never look at either of them...a pox on them all :) But then, I'm not a detail person. You could say the wing is off center and I'd never see it. You could point out the shark gills are misplaced, whatever, I see the overall shape vs the minute details. Does one stand HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE the other? naw... For me the real difference are the people. I've been racing with some of them for nearly 6 or 7 years...That crazy Viking, the the lads from Old Irish Racing, I just know more of the TPTCC crowd. Nothing wrong with PWF drivers, they most likely are all faster than me there too. If I was to limit my participation just because some highlights are better in one vs the other, then I'd be missing out on good racing. With either mod. dave henrie

>I *think* the 2.3 main installer includes the (same) cars. Yep...appears it does. While installing I couldn't help but notice that Ol John Simmons is a painter for the mod. Guess I'll borrow that 43 while I try and learn this thing John. Thanks for all you've painted for me. Now to grab some tracks and give it a shot... Dan

In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> writes: > If I was to >limit my participation just because some highlights are better in one vs >the other, then I'd be missing out on good racing. Sort of like people who limit themselves to only watching CART over IRL... <ducking> Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

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>> If I was to >>limit my participation just because some highlights are better in one >>vs the other, then I'd be missing out on good racing. > > Sort of like people who limit themselves to only watching CART over > IRL... <ducking> > > Eldred

Stand tall Eldred. I'm sure I can maintain... uhhh... I know I am in complete control of my emo.... err... I MUST ... re....sist...must .... aww craaap... I don't choose one because of perceived superiority..but rather because the other one has been possessed by the very source of all things evil. It's that simple really. Osama? Adolf? Joesph?, Pol? All amateurs compared to the prince of darkness. dave henrie

Look at the TPTCC Viper from the rear view in a replay, it is very obvious that the wing is off center. "Jan Kohl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:M4oec.6613$[email hidden]... > > I have not seen what you are talking about, and I race against TPTCC carsalmost every day on the track. >

I race in a TPTCC league too. I am not prejudiced against TPTCC, nor do I have a bias for PWF. In fact I think the cockpit view in the TPTCC mod is a little easier to drive than the one in the PWF mod. This is intended to be constructive criticism. As I said, "Granted, the proportions of some of the PWF cars can be questioned, but the quality of the surfacing and skins is superior to the TPTCC mod." That is my one and only point. Yes, I agree, the PWF Viper does not seem to have the correct proportions. But I can't find a bad reflection on it anywhere, which indicates that they tuned their surface very carefully. OTOH from the rear of the TPTCC Viper you can see this nasty trapezoidal reflection on the decklid that looks nothing like reality, and the reflections along the rear quarters zigzag as you go around the car. If TPTCC were to keep their basic shape but tune the surface better and fix the wing they would have a car that is clearly superior to the PWF Viper. But it seems they, or rather one of them in particular, would rather argue about it than listen to constructive criticism. And BTW I have seen a real competition coupe, in fact I can go down to our labs almost any day of the week and look at one. Quite frankly there are some details that neither mod captures correctly, like the location of the fuel filler or the duct behind the backlight, but there doesn't seem to be much point in going into it given the reception I generally get. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > My first thought seeing the PWF Viper was it was much blockier than the > TPTCC version. Still think that. Having never SEEN a Comp Coupe excepton

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> the tube and in a magazine, I can't say which is closer to the truth..just > that PWF seems more like a block than the TPTCC version. I'm a league > member of TPTCC and I have used PWF for the 6 hour Daytona Endurance run, > but I will admit a bias towards TPTCC. I think the only real advantage > that PWF holds is their uniform size(which causes the proportional > problems) but allows the correct damage bubble. > The PWF JAGs that are AI controlled seem to sit way to high. It's

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> just their compromise for the ride-height bug. Otherwise it look great. > The PWF Mustang is modeled after a car no longer used by Trans Am...That > one is more from the Tommy Kendall days than the Boris Said era. > The TPTCC cars look more naturally positioned on the track, but not in > replays..track wins > And the Vettes? I never look at either of them...a pox on them all :) > But then, I'm not a detail person. You could say the wing is off center > and I'd never see it. You could point out the shark gills are misplaced, > whatever, I see the overall shape vs the minute details. Does one stand > HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE the other? naw... > > For me the real difference are the people. I've been racing with some

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> them for nearly 6 or 7 years...That crazy Viking, the the lads from Old > Irish Racing, I just know more of the TPTCC crowd. Nothing wrong with PWF > drivers, they most likely are all faster than me there too. If I was to > limit my participation just because some highlights are better in one vs > the other, then I'd be missing out on good racing. With either mod. > > dave henrie >

"Jan Kohl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:s5jec.6409$[email hidden]... > > More pickup races and leagues. Pickup races usually follow what has beenreleased the latest. I'd bet within a few days, > AeroWar 88 will have the most pickup races. As far as leagues, I'd sayit's about 50/50. > I wish there was only 1 mod so that all the online races were in the one place!

>the PWF Viper does not seem to have the correct proportions. But I can't >find a bad reflection on it anywhere, which indicates that they tuned their >surface very carefully. OTOH from the rear of the TPTCC Viper you can see >this nasty trapezoidal reflection on the decklid that looks nothing like >reality, and the reflections along the rear quarters zigzag as you go around >the car. Is the Viper the only one with that problem? I don't drive that one, and the guys I race against leave me in the dust, so I don't see it often. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

>aww craaap... > I don't choose one because of perceived superiority..but rather because >the other one has been possessed by the very source of all things evil. >It's that simple really. Osama? Adolf? Joesph?, Pol? All amateurs >compared to the prince of darkness. But because of your hatred for the Horned One, you avoid watching what is usually pretty damned good racing... Sounds like you're shortchanging yourself. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

He's using classic capitalism - that is to say, voting with his dollar. By not watching the IRL he, in essence, is not supporting the companies that help sponsor and fund it. In the U.S., companies get the message quicker that way than any other way. Not that any one individual can make a big difference, but if several thousand individuals did the same then change would come - OR - bankruptcy would be imminent! Wag "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >aww craaap... > I don't choose one because of perceived superiority..but rather because >the other one has been possessed by the very source of all things evil. >It's that simple really. Osama? Adolf? Joesph?, Pol? All amateurs >compared to the prince of darkness. But because of your hatred for the Horned One, you avoid watching what is usually pretty damned good racing... Sounds like you're shortchanging yourself. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

I don't know for sure. I just notice the Viper because I spent a lot of time working on custom paint jobs for it for the leagues that I am in. Having to look at it from every angle to make sure I got things straight made me notice a lot of details that I don't notice on other cars. So having said that I guess you could argue I am noticing things that most people wouldn't notice. But still, I don't see the same surface quality problems on the PWF cars. They just have a problem with proportion. ;o) "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Is the Viper the only one with that problem? I don't drive that one, andthe

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> guys I race against leave me in the dust, so I don't see it often. > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Screamers League > IICC League > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > N2k3 rank:in progress > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > US East

In article <[email hidden]>, "B Wegner" <[email hidden]> writes: >He's using classic capitalism - that is to say, voting with his dollar. = >By not watching the IRL he, in essence, is not supporting the companies = >that help sponsor and fund it. In the U.S., companies get the message = >quicker that way than any other way. Not that any one individual can = >make a big difference, but if several thousand individuals did the same = >then change would come - OR - bankruptcy would be imminent! No he isn't voting with his dollar. He just hates Tony George. But to use your premise: Say he loves Wheaties cereal. Wheaties may be a sponsor of the IRL for all he knows, since he doesn't watch it. But even if he did find out that Wheaties was a sponsor, would he suddenly stop eating it? I don't think so. I always wondered the same type of thing about NASCAR fans who love one make of car because their favorite driver uses it, and absolutely *hate* any other brand. What happens if their favorite driver changes teams? Do the fans suddenly lose their vile feelings for the car manufacture they've hated for the past several years? I wonder if Tony Stewart fans who couldn't STAND Chevy are eating crow this year... For me to stop using a product that I've enjoyed for years would require the maker to have done some seriously bad thing. Sponsoring a race series isn't it... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

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> In article <[email hidden]>, "B Wegner" > <[email hidden]> writes: > >>He's using classic capitalism - that is to say, voting with his >>dollar. = By not watching the IRL he, in essence, is not supporting >>the companies = that help sponsor and fund it. In the U.S., companies >>get the message = quicker that way than any other way. Not that any >>one individual can = make a big difference, but if several thousand >>individuals did the same = then change would come - OR - bankruptcy >>would be imminent! > > No he isn't voting with his dollar. He just hates T*** G****.

(no Eldred...hate isn't the proper word, it's just not powerful enough) > But to use your premise: Say he loves Wheaties cereal.<YUMMY!> Wheaties may > be a sponsor of the IRL for all he knows,<gasp!> since he doesn't watch it. > But even if he did find out that Wheaties was a sponsor,<What?> would he > suddenly stop eating it?<blech! Nasty brown flakey things...and where are the RAISINS?> I don't think so Cut off my arm...do I not bleed? Cut off my other arm, do I not offer vengance? Cut off my legs do I not threaten you with a nasty chewing? Here I lay, a legless, armless wreck of a man...and WHY? . I don't own Toyotas and H*nd@s. ANd now I don't watch TV shows produced by World Wide Pants. AND I don't eat Wheaties.

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> > I always wondered the same type of thing about NASCAR fans who love > one make of car because their favorite driver uses it, and absolutely > *hate* any other brand. What happens if their favorite driver changes > teams? Do the fans suddenly lose their vile feelings for the car > manufacture they've hated for the past several years? I wonder if > Tony Stewart fans who couldn't STAND Chevy are eating crow this > year...

Odd that, I've been kindof a mixed breed fan. I often prefer Makes over drivers..So that when Richard Petty was a Dodge/Plymouth driver, he was indeed the King. But when he transgressed that one year and drove a Torino...that was bad. Ferrari was always a choice of mine back in the day when they hardly won. It was always the evil Empire of Mclaren/h**** and Prost against the Flavor of the week Scuderia driver. Then when Prost joined Ferrari...he was suddenly ok in my book. I've never understood the why of my likes. Name a series and I'll tellya the good and the bad. I followed Al Unser Jr for most of my adult life and Big Al for years before that, But I let Jr go when he crossed over. ...I don't even have the Al Jr Tshirt anymore. :) > > For me to stop using a product that I've enjoyed for years would > require the maker to have done some seriously bad thing. Sponsoring a > race series isn't it... > > Eldred Just know that if the track at Indianapolis got state money...I'd turn south or north and drive around Indiana. Thats committed...I mean Commitment! Dave Henrie I am...just a simple man.

> But it seems they, or rather one of them in particular, > would rather argue about it than listen to constructive criticism Excuse me, but let's take a look at this. You made this comment. "Sorry, but the car models are much higher quality in the PWF mod" Now, you mention something about the Viper, but in a following email you state "I don't know for sure. I just notice the Viper because I spent a lot of time working on custom paint jobs for it for the leagues that I am in" So you first generalize that our car models were lower quality than PWF, but then you follow up that you are not sure about the rest, just that the Viper has a problem. And that is precisely my point. You don't know...you just said your OPINION, not based on fact, which is what the first guy did. If I would rather argue than fix our problems, we wouldn't have this link: http://www.tptcc.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=2305 or this link: http://www.tptcc.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=2742 ..or wouldn't be working towards providing a fix for the damage or the online racing damage boxes. I'm more than happy to take any *constructive* criticism. What I won't take is people stating opinions as fact, especially when they don't bother to research. Cheers! �� Jan Kohl ::: computer security consultant ::: the pits - http://www.theuspits.com castle graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com

>> But even if he did find out that Wheaties was a sponsor,<What?> would >he >> suddenly stop eating it?<blech! Nasty brown flakey things...and where >are the RAISINS?> I don't think so > It was an *example*, Dave. I have know idea which products you actually LIKE... > Cut off my arm...do I not bleed? Cut off my other arm, do I not offer >vengance? Cut off my legs do I not threaten you with a nasty chewing? >Here I lay, a legless, armless wreck of a man...and WHY? >. Maybe you're trying out for a Monty Python movie? :-)

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> > I don't own Toyotas and H*nd@s. ANd now I don't watch TV shows >produced by World Wide Pants. AND I don't eat Wheaties. >> >> I always wondered the same type of thing about NASCAR fans who love >> one make of car because their favorite driver uses it, and absolutely >> *hate* any other brand. What happens if their favorite driver changes >> teams? Do the fans suddenly lose their vile feelings for the car >> manufacture they've hated for the past several years? I wonder if >> Tony Stewart fans who couldn't STAND Chevy are eating crow this >> year... > > Odd that, I've been kindof a mixed breed fan. I often prefer Makes >over drivers..So that when Richard Petty was a Dodge/Plymouth driver, he >was indeed the King. But when he transgressed that one year and drove a >Torino...that was bad.

See, I just don't get that. If you just root for certain makes, you may as well be watching remote controlled vehicles... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

I stand by what I said. The surface quality of the PWF Viper is superior to the surface quality of the TPTCC Viper. That's a fact, not an opinion. Anybody who knows what to look for can see the difference. "Jan Kohl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0pKec.8887$[email hidden]... > > > I'm more than happy to take any *constructive* criticism. What I won'ttake is people stating opinions as fact, especially when

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> they don't bother to research. > > Cheers! > > �� Jan Kohl > > ::: computer security consultant ::: > the pits - http://www.theuspits.com > castle graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com > > >

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > I stand by what I said. The surface quality of the PWF Viper is > superior to the surface quality of the TPTCC Viper. That's a fact, not > an opinion. Anybody who knows what to look for can see the difference. Ok, fact, I'll take your word for it. Does that also take into consideration the overall Polycount of the two models? This sure seems to be a-lot of quibbling over two mods. I don't know how many polys each model uses and I don't know the target they were shooting for. Does one vastly dwarf the other? They both work, they both convey an overall impression of Road Racing. There are plenty here who have complained about the patch physics themselves. I would rather see the imbedded flaws like ride height figured out, and I will also state that TPTCC is the 1st release from the pits, is not final, and you are comparing it to the 3rd product from PWF. I don't paint...that's why I have teammates... :) but the overall look of the TPTCC Viper is less wrong than the look of the PWF to my eye. dave henrie

Is it important? No. Do I go around thinking about it all day? No. The only reason I brought it up at all is that near the top of this thread someone made a statement about PWF that I agree with, and then Jan jumped all over him with, IMO, no real justification. The poster is entitled to his view regardless of whether it is based on opinion or fact and I am entitled to agree with him. And I think it is very unprofessional for anyone associated with a mod to come out in a public group and make such an apparently emotional defense for his mod and against a competing mod. So I thought I would grind his face in it a little in the hopes that he would get the point. It didn't work and frankly I don't really give a shit. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Ok, fact, I'll take your word for it. Does that also take into > consideration the overall Polycount of the two models? This sure seems to > be a-lot of quibbling over two mods. I don't know how many polys each > model uses and I don't know the target they were shooting for. > Does one vastly dwarf the other? They both work, they both convey an > overall impression of Road Racing. There are plenty here who have > complained about the patch physics themselves. > I would rather see the imbedded flaws like ride height figured out, and > I will also state that TPTCC is the 1st release from the pits, is not > final, and you are comparing it to the 3rd product from PWF. > I don't paint...that's why I have teammates... :) but the overall look > of the TPTCC Viper is less wrong than the look of the PWF to my eye. > > dave henrie

> I stand by what I said. The surface quality of the PWF Viper is superior to > the surface quality of the TPTCC Viper. That's a fact, not an opinion. > Anybody who knows what to look for can see the difference. You know, if that is what you would have originally said, I would have AGREED with you and moved on. Because you are correct with that statement. But that isn't even close to what you said... > The only reason I brought it up at all is that near the top of this thread > someone made a statement about PWF that I agree with, and then Jan jumped > all over him with, IMO, no real justification. > The poster is entitled to > his view regardless of whether it is based on opinion or fact and I am > entitled to agree with him. Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I completely agree with that and stand up for their right to do so. However, when putting forth their opinion as FACT (and telling someone else so), then they need to either say that it IS their opinion, or do the proper research. They did neither, nor did you. > And I think it is very unprofessional for > anyone associated with a mod to come out in a public group and make such an > apparently emotional defense for his mod and against a competing mod. So you think that I should not say something at all when someone makes erroneous claims about our mod? And let you save face by not disagreeing with you? You're full of crap if you say that. I have just as much right to be on here as anyone else, and if someone makes some incorrect comments about something WE BUILT, I am MORE than within my rights to correct them. And quit pulling this PWF vs The Pits crap. I in no means insulted PWF at all, I asked you to clarify what means you were using to judge both mods, which both have their (known) faults. Stand up for what you're saying, instead of trying to drag this other crap into it. HE said something that was incorrect, YOU did too, and I corrected you. And since you still want to argue that point, let's rewind one more time... Timmy said: > ...it has better graphics What graphics? The cars? The menu screen? The cockpit? And I'm not going into the other comments, which some of them were easy to prove incorrect, such as the "more downloadable cars". Haqsau said: > Sorry, but the car models are much higher quality in the PWF mod.(and then went on to make an example of the Viper) Car models? I notice you didn't mention the GT, Mustang or Corvette. Is it perhaps that they have JUST AS GOOD quality with PWF? Had the original person or you made the comment I quoted at the top of this post, I would have not said a word and moved on. Frankly, I didn't even realise there was a problem with the rear of our Viper, but after you made that comment I went back and asked our 3do guys and they told me that they had noticed it later, but fixing it would require remapping the car (and thus scrapping a ton of paintjobs). And that's for your comment about the fact that I'd rather argue than fix problem. > So I thought I would grind his face in it a little in the hopes that he would get > the point. It didn't work and frankly I don't really give a shit. Oh, really? You're going to "grind my face in it?" Hmmmmmmm. The reason it didn't work is because your point was invalid, and because I DO give a shit. I have perfect right to correct someone who incorrectly comments about our mod, and if you look back in the RAS archives and on several message boards, I think you'll find that PWF has also made similar comments when someone incorrectly commented about them or their mods. Are they not allowed to do so as well? You'll even find examples of Papy employees (and other company reps) who have commented on RAS to defend themselves against some incorrect statements. Did YOU decide that they should not do so either? If you look back in RAS archives, you'll find several examples of where I defend The Pits against incorrect comments...well before you ever posted on RAS. I will continue to do so as long as I run The Pits, and most of the people here on RAS (who have been around awhile) know and understand that. And I'm certainly not going to back down because you disagreed with my assessment. As I state at the top of this thread...when you're correct (and doing it constructively), I'll be glad to uphold your right to make ANY comment about our mod. Cheers! Jan

Whatever. You are welcome to continue misinterpreting me to make yourself feel better and you are welcome to get the last word in. It doesn't matter to me. I only have two simple points to make, I will make them as succinctly as I can, and then I am done with this conversation. 1) Go back and read Timmy Ferrell's note again. Your response was uncalled for. He made a very simple statement. You read far more into than was really there and then came out flaming. That was asinine. And btw I don't care who else has said what in the past, I'm talking to you, not to them. 2) There are no inconsistencies in what I said, only inconsistencies in how you chose to interpret it. In the future you might want to try to understand a person's meaning instead of re-interpreting everything they say to suit your petty prejudices. Most arguments start not due to real differences of opinion but rather due to people refusing to understand each other. Had you made an effort to understand either Timmy or me most of this conversation would have been completely unnecessary. Goodbye. "Jan Kohl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:n2Zfc.5189$[email hidden]... <snipped crap>

Haqsau wrote: > > Whatever. <snippety> "petty prejudices" eh, LOL, yeah, that pretty much describes the guy... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

What a bloody troll! You're a real trouble maker aren't you buddy! "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Whatever. You are welcome to continue misinterpreting me to make yourself > feel better and you are welcome to get the last word in. It doesn'tmatter > to me. I only have two simple points to make, I will make them as > succinctly as I can, and then I am done with this conversation. > > 1) Go back and read Timmy Ferrell's note again. Your response wasuncalled > for. He made a very simple statement. You read far more into than was > really there and then came out flaming. That was asinine. And btw Idon't > care who else has said what in the past, I'm talking to you, not to them. > 2) There are no inconsistencies in what I said, only inconsistencies inhow > you chose to interpret it. In the future you might want to try to > understand a person's meaning instead of re-interpreting everything theysay > to suit your petty prejudices. Most arguments start not due to real > differences of opinion but rather due to people refusing to understandeach > other. Had you made an effort to understand either Timmy or me most ofthis

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>> Odd that, I've been kindof a mixed breed fan. I often prefer Makes >>over drivers..So that when Richard Petty was a Dodge/Plymouth driver, >>he was indeed the King. But when he transgressed that one year and >>drove a Torino...that was bad. > > See, I just don't get that. If you just root for certain makes, you > may as well be watching remote controlled vehicles... > > Eldred

I've thought about this one for awhile. Best I can come up with is my Team Sports upbringing. Once upon a time, most players stayed with their original teams for most of their careers. So to cheer for the Rams also meant Deacon Jones, and Merlin Olsen and Roman Gabriel. So my natural inclination was to form 'teams' in Nascar. The Dodge/Plymouth team vs the Ford/Mercury team. Then later, Chevy vs. Ford. So Petty defecting to Ford that one season would have been like Deacon Jones signing on with the Minnesota Vikings.(blech) However, once the Dodge/Plymouth cars ended their Nascar participation, I found I gravitated toward the formerly hated Fords rather than embrace the Chevy's. I honestly don't know why, probably the individual drivers of the time, Elliot, Allison Jr, and Kulwicki were more palatble than Waltrip, Earnhardt the rest of the Chevrolets. dave henrie

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> I've thought about this one for awhile. Best I can come up with is my >Team Sports upbringing. Once upon a time, most players stayed with their >original teams for most of their careers. So to cheer for the Rams also >meant Deacon Jones, and Merlin Olsen and Roman Gabriel. So my natural >inclination was to form 'teams' in Nascar. The Dodge/Plymouth team vs the >Ford/Mercury team. Then later, Chevy vs. Ford. So Petty defecting to Ford >that one season would have been like Deacon Jones signing on with the >Minnesota Vikings.(blech)

Deacon Jones and Merlin Olsen? Damn, Dave - how old ARE you? :-) > However, once the Dodge/Plymouth cars ended their Nascar participation, >I found I gravitated toward the formerly hated Fords rather than embrace >the Chevy's. I honestly don't know why, probably the individual drivers >of the time, Elliot, Allison Jr, and Kulwicki were more palatble than >Waltrip, Earnhardt the rest of the Chevrolets. Honestly, I couldn't tell you what my favorite drivers have driven over the years. I couldn't tell you what most of my favorites drive NOW without looking at nascar.com. The car makes just aren't that important to me.<shrug> Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East