I dont like the GPL DEMO !!!!

I hate the letterbox screen !!!!!!!! I want full screen racing like nascar 2 & icr2 . The sense of speed can not touch the speed i get in icr2 at the converted glen track from N2. Yes i used the GP CAR . The control does'nt seem to be as precise as their other sims . I use a t2 & adjusted all the steering options . Some of the spins seem canned . The locking of the tires is cool under braking . I am just not that impressed with the physics model while driving . Maybe i need to drive it more to get the hang of it but the more i drive it the more i hate it ( not the other way around ) I know this is a alpha but IMO it has a longggggg way to go. If nascar 3 is this hard to get around the track then i'll stick with the games papy made before sierra ruined them . ( except for nascar 2 :) My system is a p166 48 megs & a thriller 3d . Put me in a real gp car on the grass & i bet i can get back on the track alot faster than i can in this f#$%ing sim :) I know alot of people like this demo so have fun .

Uumm, I think the reason it is hard is that these cars were VERY hard to drive. What is the challenge you are having in the grass? As long as I don't flloor it, I can get out of the grass just fine. Just go easy on the pedal. Obviously if I max out the accelerator, the car will simply spin all over the place in the grass, which is pretty realistic!! Back to having fun, now!! Ken The Game Pad http://gamepad.org/

I hope you don't plan on racing outside the car if and whenever this gets on line. You'll also never get that real sense of speed from outside the car. no wonder your complaining

I'm sorry mack, this is the rec,alt. SIMULATORS...if you drive from behind the car you want rec.alt.GAMES period. dave henrie > I want full screen view period !!! I drive from behind the car not the >***pit ! I like the full sceen view in icr2 & nascar2 ! Whats amusing > about that jaggoff ? That letter box view reminds me of that ***game > called gp2 :)

>converted glen track from N2. Yes i used the GP CAR . The control does'nt >seem to be as precise as their other sims . I use a t2 & adjusted all the For me it is among the most precise in any sim to date. Hmm, I must say I noticed the same. I thought that maybe I'm just a bad driver, but it seemed I constantly got into spins which I couldn't countersteer at all, and I really mean at all. Not like in F1RS or Nascar2 for example. Were the racing cars of sixties really that bad? :) Couldn't believe a Papyrus sim would have canned spins. GP2 has them too, fortunately F1RS doesn't. But no sticky grass in GPL though. :)

I was wrong about the grass . I did a few more laps & started to like it a little more. My #1 problem with GPL is the letterbox view & FPS . Hopefully it will improve !!

I really LOVE the letterbox style.......reminds me so much of the movie "Grand Prix".

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> I was wrong about the grass . I did a few more laps & started to like it a > little more. My #1 problem with GPL is the letterbox view & FPS . Hopefully > it will improve !! > > Uumm, I think the reason it is hard is that these cars were VERY hard to > drive. > > What is the challenge you are having in the grass? As long as I don't > flloor > > it, I can get out of the grass just fine. Just go easy on the pedal. > Obviously > > if I max out the accelerator, the car will simply spin all over the > place in > > the grass, which is pretty realistic!! Back to having fun, now!! > > Ken > > The Game Pad > > http://gamepad.org/

-- Bruce (Fyshwick) "I hate music, especially when it's played." (Jimmy Durante)

Agree ! the control is not as bad as i made it sound . ( it's not xcar type control :) The spins are frustrating ! It slides sidways then backwards into fences,hay bails and then the engine explodes :) How slow do i need to be going before i can drive it in the corner ? > >converted glen track from N2. Yes i used the GP CAR . The control does'nt > >seem to be as precise as their other sims . I use a t2 & adjusted all the > For me it is among the most precise in any sim to date. > >steering options . Some of the spins seem canned . The locking of the tires

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> Hmm, I must say I noticed the same. I thought that maybe I'm just a > bad driver, but it seemed I constantly got into spins which I couldn't > countersteer at all, and I really mean at all. Not like in F1RS or > Nascar2 for example. Were the racing cars of sixties really that bad? > :) Couldn't believe a Papyrus sim would have canned spins. > GP2 has them too, fortunately F1RS doesn't. But no sticky grass in GPL > though. :)

> I hate the letterbox screen !!!!!!!! I want full screen racing like nascar > 2 & icr2 . In Nascar2 i believe you'll notice that a large portion of the top of the screen is the interior of your roof. a large portion of the bottom of your screen is the dashboard with a handful of instruments sparsely spread over it. Now, look closely at the shape of the windscreen displaying the track... does that not look very letterbox shaped to you? And in Indycar2 all you'd miss if they letterboxed it would be a bit of cloud. You're throwing a tantrum over absolutely nothing. :) but people sulking about pathetic things like this do provide a lot of amu***t for me when i read your posts. thanks for the entertainment:) Grant.

I want full screen view period !!! I drive from behind the car not the ***pit ! I like the full sceen view in icr2 & nascar2 ! Whats amusing about that jaggoff ? That letter box view reminds me of that ***game called gp2 :) > > I hate the letterbox screen !!!!!!!! I want full screen racing like nascar

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> > 2 & icr2 . > In Nascar2 i believe you'll notice that a large portion of the top of > the > screen is the interior of your roof. a large portion of the bottom of > your > screen is the dashboard with a handful of instruments sparsely spread > over > it. Now, look closely at the shape of the windscreen displaying the > track... > does that not look very letterbox shaped to you? And in Indycar2 all > you'd > miss if they letterboxed it would be a bit of cloud. You're throwing a > tantrum over absolutely nothing. :) > but people sulking about pathetic things like this do provide a lot of > amu***t for me when i read your posts. thanks for the entertainment:) > Grant.

>I was wrong about the grass . I did a few more laps & started to like it >a<BR> >little more. My #1 problem with GPL is the letterbox view & FPS . >Hopefully<BR> >it will improve !!<BR> ><BR> I like the panorama view of GPL, It's more like the view from inside my helmet. <G>! Don

What have you been smoking?!? GP2 rocks

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>I want full screen view period !!! I drive from behind the car not the >cockpit ! I like the full sceen view in icr2 & nascar2 ! Whats amusing >about that jaggoff ? That letter box view reminds me of that ***game >called gp2 :) >> > I hate the letterbox screen !!!!!!!! I want full screen racing like >nascar >> > 2 & icr2 . >> In Nascar2 i believe you'll notice that a large portion of the top of >> the >> screen is the interior of your roof. a large portion of the bottom of >> your >> screen is the dashboard with a handful of instruments sparsely spread >> over >> it. Now, look closely at the shape of the windscreen displaying the >> track... >> does that not look very letterbox shaped to you? And in Indycar2 all >> you'd >> miss if they letterboxed it would be a bit of cloud. You're throwing a >> tantrum over absolutely nothing. :) >> but people sulking about pathetic things like this do provide a lot of >> amu***t for me when i read your posts. thanks for the entertainment:) >> Grant.

let the boy drive wherever he wants to. nascar 1 and gpr have bigger views. they are better. they are better than nascar 2 and GPL. The replays are better at michigan in nascar 1 than nascar2. Know why? The view is bigger. The cars 100 feet ahead aren't just a dot on the screen. who do you work for, Sierra?

> Agree ! the control is not as bad as i made it sound . ( it's not > xcar > type control :) The spins are frustrating ! It slides sidways then > (snip) ??????GPL controls are *by far* the best I have ever tried. Remember, it's a SIM. In those days you had: 1) NO aerodynamics 2) LOUSY, grooved tires 3) A chassis that flexed and twitched (essentially a matchbox) 4) An engine that was soooo cammy (gotta love it) There is so much feel when driving. Be *gentle*, and use the throttle to steer. You are going to have a seriouse problem when NASCAR3 comes out... That's exactly it. The part I've missed from N2. If you go into a turn, and YANK the wheel left, the car would have spun wildly. You can go down the straights at Talladega, and quickly turn from lock to lock. The car twitches a bit. Real? Nope:))I saw a Papy statement on N3 somewhere, stating that it would be so much more difficult to drive...I can't wait for it!! And, I don't think there are any "canned" spins in GPL...IMO Matt -- Matthew Birger Knutsen Cheek Racing Cars (http://home.sn.no/~kareknut) "Racing cars is like dancing with a chainsaw" -Cale Yarborough

You're no relation to Dr. Seuss, are you?

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> let the boy drive wherever he wants to. > nascar 1 and gpr have bigger views. > they are better. > they are better than nascar 2 and GPL. > The replays are better at michigan in nascar 1 than nascar2. > Know why? The view is bigger. > The cars 100 feet ahead aren't just a dot on the screen. > who do you work for, Sierra?

-- Bruce. (At home)

> I was wrong about the grass . I did a few more laps & started to like it a > little more. My #1 problem with GPL is the letterbox view & FPS . Hopefully > it will improve !! Personally I like the letterbox format. As for FPS, I can't notice frames when I am playing - it is quite smooth. (Pentium MMX cpu + Pure3d + 64MB)

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> > Uumm, I think the reason it is hard is that these cars were VERY hard to > drive. > > What is the challenge you are having in the grass? As long as I don't > flloor > > it, I can get out of the grass just fine. Just go easy on the pedal. > Obviously > > if I max out the accelerator, the car will simply spin all over the > place in > > the grass, which is pretty realistic!! Back to having fun, now!! > > Ken > > The Game Pad > > [link lost in import]

Hay Dave just because i dont drive from the***pit does'nt mean i cant enjoy the other sim options like setup - yellow flags -pit stops ect... I know driving from behind the car is'nt like the real deal but i dont think the***pit is that real either ( you can't even see any part of the hood - it looks like a frame window to me ) The 1st sim i ever owned was nascar 1 & i drove from outside the car . When i try and go back in the car i can not run good lap after lap so i drive from outside . I like having the ***pit option in my sims so i can go in & check the gauges or try and drive from in the car. I did'nt even know there was newsgroup called rec.alt.games !! IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE DAVE :) > I'm sorry mack, this is the rec,alt. SIMULATORS...if you drive from behind

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> the car you want rec.alt.GAMES period. > dave henrie > > I want full screen view period !!! I drive from behind the car not the > >***pit ! I like the full sceen view in icr2 & nascar2 ! Whats amusing > > about that jaggoff ? That letter box view reminds me of that ***game > > called gp2 :)

He didn't say that did he ???? Please tell me that his post was a late april fools joke....Or ...he's never driven a real race car and just doesn't understand what actually happens on the track...GPL is a true SIM. I love ICR2 and will continue to race it as well as GP2 and N2 (until N3 comes out ;-) ) but when I start driving GPL I can't stop...and it's hard... ...and that's why it's so much fun. BTW The Pits Touring Car version 2.0 is out at their site for those who are un-impressed with GPL. Steve at RXspeed7 racing Visit the RXspeed7 page at... http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/7177/index.html

> >steering options . Some of the spins seem canned . The locking of the tires > Hmm, I must say I noticed the same. I thought that maybe I'm just a > bad driver, but it seemed I constantly got into spins which I couldn't > countersteer at all, and I really mean at all. Not like in F1RS or > Nascar2 for example. Were the racing cars of sixties really that bad? Yes the cars of the sixties WERE that bad .You have to remember that we'retalking narrow tires , cars had a much narrower stance , NO Ground effects , Alot of power , ect. Even a current Nascar is tons more efficient ( Aerodynamically ) than the GPL cars. Driving the GPL car requires smooth input and precision car placement to get through the corners quickly ( Something I have yet to master ). Even the way the cars see to wander around at high speed is true-to-form. Anyone who has ever been in a 4 wheel drift through a fast turn in a real car can relate. IMO a most impressive Simulation. Steve at RXspeed7 racing Visit the RXspeed7 page at... http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/7177/index.html

> What have you been smoking?!? GP2 rocks GP2 sucks dead-donkey-dick! God ,when will they understand?!

> I want full screen view period !!! I drive from behind the car not the >***pit ! I like the full sceen view in icr2 & nascar2 ! Ummm. Not trying' to disrespect you but...this SIMulation....is a SIMulation of actual driving. I have yet to see some in an actual race drive from above and behind the car. I too occasionally drive the ARCADE view in N2 and ICR2....It's amusing...But I guess Papy made GPL less for Arcade style play than actual in the***pit driving. Steve at RXspeed7 racing Visit the RXspeed7 page at... [link lost in import]

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> Hay Dave just because i dont drive from the***pit does'nt mean i cant > enjoy the other sim options like setup - yellow flags -pit stops ect... I > know driving from behind the car is'nt like the real deal but i dont think > the***pit is that real either ( you can't even see any part of the hood - > it looks like a frame window to me ) The 1st sim i ever owned was nascar 1 > & i drove from outside the car . When i try and go back in the car i can > not run good lap after lap so i drive from outside . I like having the >***pit option in my sims so i can go in & check the gauges or try and > drive from in the car. I did'nt even know there was newsgroup called > rec.alt.games !! IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE DAVE :)

:) yup! The trouble with behind the car views...and thats why the "game" tag is labled on them, is that most of the Playstation/Nintendo drivers are behind the car...ergo the game as opposed to the sim...Anyhow, who am I to talk,,,I'm ***slow in almost every sim I do...;) dave henrie

> Agree ! the control is not as bad as i made it sound . ( it's not xcar > type control :) The spins are frustrating ! It slides sidways then > backwards into fences,hay bails and then the engine explodes :) How slow do > i need to be going before i can drive it in the corner ? Tip - stay out of 1st gear. Tip - practice a lot Tip - practice a lot before your next post.

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> I hate the letterbox screen !!!!!!!! I want full screen racing like nascar > 2 & icr2 . The sense of speed can not touch the speed i get in icr2 at the > converted glen track from N2. Yes i used the GP CAR . The control does'nt > seem to be as precise as their other sims . I use a t2 & adjusted all the > steering options . Some of the spins seem canned . The locking of the tires > is cool under braking . I am just not that impressed with the physics model > while driving . Maybe i need to drive it more to get the hang of it but the > more i drive it the more i hate it ( not the other way around ) I know this > is a alpha but IMO it has a longggggg way to go. If nascar 3 is this hard > to get around the track then i'll stick with the games papy made before > sierra ruined them . ( except for nascar 2 :) My system is a p166 48 megs & > a thriller 3d . Put me in a real gp car on the grass & i bet i can get back > on the track alot faster than i can in this f#$%ing sim :) I know alot of > people like this demo so have fun .

Gee, I'll bet you'll wish you had never posted this in a week or so!

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> let the boy drive wherever he wants to. > nascar 1 and gpr have bigger views. > they are better. > they are better than nascar 2 and GPL. > The replays are better at michigan in nascar 1 than nascar2. > Know why? The view is bigger. > The cars 100 feet ahead aren't just a dot on the screen. > who do you work for, Sierra?

I'm not sure I've seen 2 comedians of this caliber in the same thread. Hmmmmmmm????????????????

> I want full screen view period !!! I drive from behind the car not the >***pit ! I like the full sceen view in icr2 & nascar2 ! Whats amusing > about that jaggoff ? That letter box view reminds me of that ***game > called gp2 :) I can't understand why I'm not suprised you drive from behind the car. Backseat driver? Try getting in the car. See, now your feet can reach the pedals and everything!

How do you really feel about it?

You don't get it , do you? The cars are based on F1 type cars that have NO wings and NO spoilers and shitty brakes. So that means there is absolutely no down force. You need to be a real driver to run these cars. This is a good way to find out if you have what it takes to be a professional driver.

I can improve . How many setup options do these old cars have ? > >I hate the letterbox screen !!!!!!!! I want full screen racing like nascar > >2 & icr2 . The sense of speed can not touch the speed i get in icr2 at the > >converted glen track from N2. Yes i used the GP CAR . The control does'nt > >seem to be as precise as their other sims . I use a t2 & adjusted all the > >steering options . Some of the spins seem canned . The locking of the tires > >is cool under braking . I am just not that impressed with the physics model > >while driving . Maybe i need to drive it more to get the hang of it but the > >more i drive it the more i hate it ( not the other way around ) I know this > >is a alpha but IMO it has a longggggg way to go. If nascar 3 is this hard > >to get around the track then i'll stick with the games papy made before > >sierra ruined them . ( except for nascar 2 :) My system is a p166 48 megs & > >a thriller 3d . Put me in a real gp car on the grass & i bet i can get back > >on the track alot faster than i can in this f#$%ing sim :) I know alot of

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> >people like this demo so have fun . > You don't get it , do you? The cars are based on F1 type cars that > have NO wings and NO spoilers and shitty brakes. So that means there > is absolutely no down force. You need to be a real driver to run > these cars. This is a good way to find out if you have what it takes > to be a professional driver.

SBeshear Your probably another one also... Gpr ? Whoa ! It's the new simulator in 2003 called GrandPrix: Renaissance ? Well, since I never tried GPR, I can't tell. You probably race the arcade version of N2. I think you don't know that there is a "full-screen" view in the Nascar2 replay. You probably hacked the game, and not have a manual. CUC software, just to help you. lol he thinks it's Sierra who made the simulator. 'nuff said about his credibility. Loll, I actually found a guy more funny than LeChicken Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) --"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--