GPL: Demo is poorly optimized

I tested the GPL demo with anticipation, just to be gravely dissapointed. With my P120/32MB/Monster3D even with all the details removed it runs maybe 5 fps. This seems like really sloppy optimization, since the slowness is positively not with the graphics, and there aren't even other cars on the track. When are we getting a better optimized demo for those people who don't have a P2/330 machine with gazillion megs of RAM? I know my specs are somewhat under the requirements, but a machine that can run other racing-sims fine with full detail shouldn't be so slow. - "If the meaning of life was printed in a book, someone would use it to keep the window open."

Um... are you sure you're running the 3Dfx version? -- Eric T. Busch >I tested the GPL demo with anticipation, just to be gravely >dissapointed. With my P120/32MB/Monster3D even with all the details >removed it runs maybe 5 fps. This seems like really sloppy >optimization, since the slowness is positively not with the graphics, >and there aren't even other cars on the track.

5fps seems awfully slow. How are you getting the frame rate counter? What are the other racing "sims" that you can run full detail on a P120 and have them run fine? And what is fine - 15fps, 20fps, 30fps, etc. There are only a couple racing sims that I know of that will run fine for me(25-30fps and full detail) on my P166, 64mb, Intergraph Intense 3D100, Pure 3D(3DFX) setup. Rendition Indycar 2, Nascar 2, and Ubisoft F1 Racing. And these titles really push the limits of my machine. Don Chapman

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>I tested the GPL demo with anticipation, just to be gravely >dissapointed. With my P120/32MB/Monster3D even with all the details >removed it runs maybe 5 fps. This seems like really sloppy >optimization, since the slowness is positively not with the graphics, >and there aren't even other cars on the track. >When are we getting a better optimized demo for those people who don't >have a P2/330 machine with gazillion megs of RAM? I know my specs are >somewhat under the requirements, but a machine that can run other >racing-sims fine with full detail shouldn't be so slow. >- >"If the meaning of life was printed in a book, someone > would use it to keep the window open."

I agree with you. I have P-150-32 megs and a Monster 3D, I am only getting somewhere around 10 fps with full details.

I am running on an 32Mb P166 with Righteous 3D and it super smooth...

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>I tested the GPL demo with anticipation, just to be gravely >dissapointed. With my P120/32MB/Monster3D even with all the details >removed it runs maybe 5 fps. This seems like really sloppy >optimization, since the slowness is positively not with the graphics, >and there aren't even other cars on the track. >When are we getting a better optimized demo for those people who don't >have a P2/330 machine with gazillion megs of RAM? I know my specs are >somewhat under the requirements, but a machine that can run other >racing-sims fine with full detail shouldn't be so slow. >- >"If the meaning of life was printed in a book, someone > would use it to keep the window open."

HELP! Same problem here except I have a P133/32MB RAM/Sierra Screamin' 3D (V1000). The framerate in CPR BLOWS THE "DOORS" OFF the framerate I'm getting in GPL even with all the graphical options off. I'm getting 5 or less fps in GPL too. Please help. Thanks. God bless, Loren Team S/\\//\TS http://members.aol.com/UnserFan1/index.html

> I tested the GPL demo with anticipation, just to be gravely > dissapointed. With my P120/32MB/Monster3D even with all the details > removed it runs maybe 5 fps. This seems like really sloppy > optimization, since the slowness is positively not with the graphics, > and there aren't even other cars on the track. P133 with 32MB and Rendition, all but cars turned off in mirrors, sky off, some trackside stuff turned off = very decent frame rate (I'd guess mid-upper ***s at least). Surely won't be the case when cars are added to the mix, but its fine to get practiced up on, for when I get a new system and GPL this summer.

Sorry, my DS II with 32 megs of edo and P200mmx runs the GPL demo very very smoothly... dave henrie

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> I tested the GPL demo with anticipation, just to be gravely > dissapointed. With my P120/32MB/Monster3D even with all the details > removed it runs maybe 5 fps. This seems like really sloppy > optimization, since the slowness is positively not with the graphics, > and there aren't even other cars on the track. > When are we getting a better optimized demo for those people who don't > have a P2/330 machine with gazillion megs of RAM? I know my specs are > somewhat under the requirements, but a machine that can run other > racing-sims fine with full detail shouldn't be so slow. > - > "If the meaning of life was printed in a book, someone > would use it to keep the window open."

I would think that there might be something wrong with your system, instead of the demo...One of my systems is a P150, o/c to 166 w/32Mb, and the sim runs great in either 3Dfx or Rendition. Try increasing your bus_speed (from 60 to 66). It might make a difference. BTW, the guy with the 120 can easily o/c his chip to 133. =) Cheers! Marc > I agree with you. I have P-150-32 megs and a Monster 3D, I am only getting > somewhere around 10 fps with full details. -- (please remove '_*_' when replying) Sim Racing News - http://www.simnews.com The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

You guys that are complaining about slow frame rates. Is it possible that you are running on a packard bell or other substandard machine with no external cache? Or even more likely, your computer is not optimized so great. Maybe if you don't get all that deep with your own system, you should have a buddy come over and straighten it out somewhat. You should be able to get better framerates than 5 even with a P120 (w/3dfx) this isn't meant to be a flame towards anyone, just a suggestion to those non geeks who don't push the limits of their own machine for fear and non-knowledge of all the effects. ie - overclocking , etc. Mike Lewis

AMD K6 225/ 64 Megs ram, Monster3D Voodoo1= very smooth Pete

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> Sorry, my DS II with 32 megs of edo and P200mmx runs the GPL demo very >very smoothly... >dave henrie >> I tested the GPL demo with anticipation, just to be gravely >> dissapointed. With my P120/32MB/Monster3D even with all the details >> removed it runs maybe 5 fps. This seems like really sloppy >> optimization, since the slowness is positively not with the graphics, >> and there aren't even other cars on the track. >> When are we getting a better optimized demo for those people who don't >> have a P2/330 machine with gazillion megs of RAM? I know my specs are >> somewhat under the requirements, but a machine that can run other >> racing-sims fine with full detail shouldn't be so slow. >> - >> "If the meaning of life was printed in a book, someone >> would use it to keep the window open."

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>I tested the GPL demo with anticipation, just to be gravely >dissapointed. With my P120/32MB/Monster3D even with all the details >removed it runs maybe 5 fps. This seems like really sloppy >optimization, since the slowness is positively not with the graphics, >and there aren't even other cars on the track. >When are we getting a better optimized demo for those people who don't >have a P2/330 machine with gazillion megs of RAM? I know my specs are >somewhat under the requirements, but a machine that can run other >racing-sims fine with full detail shouldn't be so slow. >- >"If the meaning of life was printed in a book, someone > would use it to keep the window open."

How do you know the demo is poorly optimized? "Why, because it doesn't run well on your machine." What utter crap. That is no basis to conclude that the demo is poorly optimized. Without knowing what the demo is supposed to do and without having access to the source code I would think it impossible to say if the demo is poorly optimized. My point: Just because GPL runs "slowly" on your machine, ( or for that matter, any machine) does not mean the engineers did a sloppy job. Man, I had shit like this. Everytime a new sim is released I hear it. (I guess I just need to just take a deep breath - sorry everyone.) Mike

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>>I tested the GPL demo with anticipation, just to be gravely >>dissapointed. With my P120/32MB/Monster3D even with all the details >>removed it runs maybe 5 fps. This seems like really sloppy >>optimization, since the slowness is positively not with the graphics, >>and there aren't even other cars on the track. >>When are we getting a better optimized demo for those people who don't >>have a P2/330 machine with gazillion megs of RAM? I know my specs are >>somewhat under the requirements, but a machine that can run other >>racing-sims fine with full detail shouldn't be so slow. >>- >>"If the meaning of life was printed in a book, someone >> would use it to keep the window open." >How do you know the demo is poorly optimized? "Why, because it >doesn't run well on your machine." What utter crap. That is no basis >to conclude that the demo is poorly optimized. Without knowing what >the demo is supposed to do and without having access to the source >code I would think it impossible to say if the demo is poorly >optimized. >My point: Just because GPL runs "slowly" on your machine, ( or for >that matter, any machine) does not mean the engineers did a sloppy >job. Man, I had shit like this. Everytime a new sim is released I >hear it. (I guess I just need to just take a deep breath - sorry >everyone.) >Mike

Not just on his machine, runs like ***on mine too

Very strange. I'm starting to think it's the new drivers for Monster3D, I better try some other ones. - "If the meaning of life was printed in a book, someone would use it to keep the window open."

I have exactly the same configuration as you - P120, 32mb, Monster 3dfx Voodoo1, and exactly the same problem - very low framerate (like 5 fps with graphics worse than in ICR2). But I noticed that there is no difference in framerate level if I go with full details or with no details at all... I tried to switch to "Software" and then back to "3dfx" - no difference in framerate. Looks like my 3dfx card doesn't want to work in the game... :) (though, F1RS runs great on my system..). Also I noticed that sometimes in the replay mode graphics suddenly runs smoothly ! But next time it's slow again... That happens in the replay, but never in the***pit... Dmitry

> Um... are you sure you're running the 3Dfx version? In any case, is he kidding? There is a PII333 on the market and he has a P120. Obviously it's his first computer and mum and dad don't know about upgrades :)

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> -- > Eric T. Busch > >I tested the GPL demo with anticipation, just to be gravely > >dissapointed. With my P120/32MB/Monster3D even with all the details > >removed it runs maybe 5 fps. This seems like really sloppy > >optimization, since the slowness is positively not with the graphics, > >and there aren't even other cars on the track.

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> >>I tested the GPL demo with anticipation, just to be gravely > >>dissapointed. With my P120/32MB/Monster3D even with all the details > >>removed it runs maybe 5 fps. This seems like really sloppy > >>optimization, since the slowness is positively not with the graphics, > >>and there aren't even other cars on the track. > >>When are we getting a better optimized demo for those people who don't > >>have a P2/330 machine with gazillion megs of RAM? I know my specs are > >>somewhat under the requirements, but a machine that can run other > >>racing-sims fine with full detail shouldn't be so slow. > >>- > >>"If the meaning of life was printed in a book, someone > >> would use it to keep the window open." > >How do you know the demo is poorly optimized? "Why, because it > >doesn't run well on your machine." What utter crap. That is no basis > >to conclude that the demo is poorly optimized. Without knowing what > >the demo is supposed to do and without having access to the source > >code I would think it impossible to say if the demo is poorly > >optimized. > >My point: Just because GPL runs "slowly" on your machine, ( or for > >that matter, any machine) does not mean the engineers did a sloppy > >job. Man, I had shit like this. Everytime a new sim is released I > >hear it. (I guess I just need to just take a deep breath - sorry > >everyone.) > >Mike > Not just on his machine, runs like ***on mine too

Yeah, my 286 with the super doopa ISA SVGA card can't even get this thing up to speed. Any clues? I even put an extra 256k simm in the other day. What a shock!

Yep! GPL seems a little s l o w on my Apple II+ w/48k too;) Maybe I need a faster monitor?!? Joe

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> > >>I tested the GPL demo with anticipation, just to be gravely > > >>dissapointed. With my P120/32MB/Monster3D even with all the details > > >>removed it runs maybe 5 fps. This seems like really sloppy > > >>optimization, since the slowness is positively not with the graphics, > > >>and there aren't even other cars on the track. > > >>When are we getting a better optimized demo for those people who don't > > >>have a P2/330 machine with gazillion megs of RAM? I know my specs are > > >>somewhat under the requirements, but a machine that can run other > > >>racing-sims fine with full detail shouldn't be so slow. > > >>- > > >>"If the meaning of life was printed in a book, someone > > >> would use it to keep the window open." > > >How do you know the demo is poorly optimized? "Why, because it > > >doesn't run well on your machine." What utter crap. That is no basis > > >to conclude that the demo is poorly optimized. Without knowing what > > >the demo is supposed to do and without having access to the source > > >code I would think it impossible to say if the demo is poorly > > >optimized. > > >My point: Just because GPL runs "slowly" on your machine, ( or for > > >that matter, any machine) does not mean the engineers did a sloppy > > >job. Man, I had shit like this. Everytime a new sim is released I > > >hear it. (I guess I just need to just take a deep breath - sorry > > >everyone.) > > >Mike > > Not just on his machine, runs like ***on mine too > Yeah, my 286 with the super doopa ISA SVGA card can't even get this > thing up to speed. Any clues? I even put an extra 256k simm in the other > day. What a shock!

hi I agree I have a P90 with one of those 'overdrive' chips in it which is a p150 o/c to 166 and i am happy with my 3dfx card and GPL. i say to all those people who are unhappy with GPL to learn about your pc's because it is not gonna change for the near future. I hate to talk this stuff because GPL is so good and racing is what we should talk of not dumb pc configs. Mark

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> You guys that are complaining about slow frame rates. Is it possible that > you are running on a packard bell or other substandard machine with no > external cache? Or even more likely, your computer is not optimized so > great. Maybe if you don't get all that deep with your own system, you should > have a buddy come over and straighten it out somewhat. You should be able to > get better framerates than 5 even with a P120 (w/3dfx) > this isn't meant to be a flame towards anyone, just a suggestion to those > non geeks who don't push the limits of their own machine for fear and > non-knowledge of all the effects. ie - overclocking , etc. > Mike Lewis

>I am running on an 32Mb P166 with Righteous 3D and it super smooth... What's up with this??? What the dilliyo??? I have a P-200 with 128 Megs and a Monster3-D and it runs horrible on my box. I would guess with all details on I get between 5-10fps I don't understand?? Are y'all doing any optimizing to get these nice frame rates??? Maybe I need to download the demo again or something(I doubt it but dammit I want to drive this sim and I need the fps to do so) HELP out everyone?? Suggestions, anything, etc. etc............... :( Josh Taylor (remove "NOSPAM" from email to reply)

What driver are u running, I am using glide 2.43, slow as Dave Marcis

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>I have exactly the same configuration as you - P120, 32mb, Monster 3dfx >Voodoo1, and exactly the same problem - very low framerate (like 5 fps with >graphics worse than in ICR2). >But I noticed that there is no difference in framerate level if I go with >full details or with no details at all... I tried to switch to "Software" >and then back to "3dfx" - no difference in framerate. Looks like my 3dfx >card doesn't want to work in the game... :) (though, F1RS runs great on my >system..). >Also I noticed that sometimes in the replay mode graphics suddenly runs >smoothly ! But next time it's slow again... That happens in the replay, but >never in the***pit... >Dmitry >>I tested the GPL demo with anticipation, just to be gravely >>dissapointed. With my P120/32MB/Monster3D even with all the details >>removed it runs maybe 5 fps. This seems like really sloppy >>optimization, since the slowness is positively not with the graphics, >>and there aren't even other cars on the track. >>When are we getting a better optimized demo for those people who don't >>have a P2/330 machine with gazillion megs of RAM? I know my specs are >>somewhat under the requirements, but a machine that can run other >>racing-sims fine with full detail shouldn't be so slow. >>- >>"If the meaning of life was printed in a book, someone >> would use it to keep the window open."

Get low frame rates at certain parts of the tracks far from smooth with 64Mb P166 and a Rendition card !!!!!!!!!!!!! Hope Papy will fix this with a -4 switch or something. NASREND & RENDDMA are night & day on my machine as stated in another post too.They hopefully will address this problem or it quite possibly won't be a big of a seller as expected do to the fact that most of us do not have a Pentium 50000 with 200 MB's of ram. Papy don't pull a GP2 on us Please ! BoB Barker

Remember Mark: "The configs are the gearbox for our computers" or "Better one well tuned p133 than a badly tuned p200mmx" Bye! Bart

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> hi > I agree I have a P90 with one > of those 'overdrive' chips in it > which is a p150 o/c to 166 and i > am happy with my 3dfx card and GPL. > i say to all those people who are unhappy > with GPL to learn about your pc's because it is not gonna > change for the near future. > I hate to talk this stuff because GPL > is so good and racing is what we should talk of > not dumb pc configs. > Mark > > You guys that are complaining about slow frame rates. Is it possible that > > you are running on a packard bell or other substandard machine with no > > external cache? Or even more likely, your computer is not optimized so > > great. Maybe if you don't get all that deep with your own system, you should > > have a buddy come over and straighten it out somewhat. You should be able to > > get better framerates than 5 even with a P120 (w/3dfx) > > this isn't meant to be a flame towards anyone, just a suggestion to those > > non geeks who don't push the limits of their own machine for fear and > > non-knowledge of all the effects. ie - overclocking , etc. > > Mike Lewis

Readme says P166 32 meg ram is minimum requirment. I'm running P166 64 meg edo ram , 512kb L2 cache , Diamond Stealth II 220( rendition ) , SB Awe64 Gold and GPL runs fine...seems smooth to me. Steve at RXspeed7 racing Visit the RXspeed7 page at... http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/7177/index.html

Dell P2 266, 64 megs ram, Pure 3D, smooth as a baby's butt. Smoooooooooth!!! :-) (I have a Millenium II 4 meg as well, but I dont think that has any effect) Brian Short

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> AMD K6 225/ 64 Megs ram, Monster3D Voodoo1= very smooth > Pete > > Sorry, my DS II with 32 megs of edo and P200mmx runs the GPL demo very > >very smoothly... > >dave henrie